Vaccine-autism connection debunked again
March 29th, 2013
11:08 AM ET

Vaccine-autism connection debunked again

Many expectant parents are wary of all the recommended vaccines their newborns are supposed to get in the first hours, days and even the first couple of years, believing that too many vaccines too soon may increase their child's risk for autism.

A new study published in the Journal of Pediatrics Friday may put them at ease. Researchers found no association between autism and the number of vaccines a child gets in one day or during the first two years of the current vaccine schedule.

The research was led by Dr. Frank DeStefano, director of the Immunization Safety Office at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Together with two colleagues, DeStefano and his team collected data on 256 children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and 752 children who did not have autism. The children were all born between 1994 and 1999 and were all continuously enrolled in one of three managed-care organizations through their second birthday.

The researchers not only counted how many vaccines a child was given, they also counted how many antigens within the vaccines children were exposed to over three different time periods: birth to 3 months, birth to 7 months and during the first two years. They also calculated the maximum number of antigens a child would receive over the course of a single day.

An antigen is an immune-stimulating protein found in a vaccine that prompts the body's immune system to recognize and destroy substances that contain them, according to the NIH.

Some vaccines, like Hepatitis B, only contain one antigen for this one virus. However, at the time these children were vaccinated, the typhoid vaccine had 3,000 antigens per dose and the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine had 24.

"When we compared those roughly 250 children with ASD and the roughly 750 children who did not have ASD, we found their antigen exposure, however measured, were the same," said DeStefano. “There was no association between antigenic exposure and the development of autism."

The researchers also found no association between antigenic exposure and ASD.

Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer of the science and advocacy group Autism Speaks, called the research a "well-done study." She was not affiliated with the research.

"The big challenge that we face is the fact that we still don't understand the causes of autism - genetic or environmental," she said. "So while this answers one question parents may have, we still have many more to be addressed."

Dawson and DeStefano both believe the study should be reassuring for parents concerned about the vaccine schedule. Vocal critics have argued that children receive too many vaccines too soon, and that the frequency of the shots is one factor in why some children develop autism.

"I would tell an expectant mom that one of the more important things you can do to protect an infant's health is get them vaccinated on time according to the recommended schedule," DeStefano said. He says vaccines protect against serious life-threatening diseases and delaying them can put your child unnecessarily at risk.

"The bottom line is the number of vaccines, or the number of antigens in the current schedule, given on time ... is not associated with a risk of autism."

In 2011, the British medical journal BMJ said a now-retracted study linking autism to the vaccine that prevents measles, mumps and rubella was an "elaborate fraud" that did long-lasting damage to public health. An investigation by the journal said the study's author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study.

Wakefield told CNN's "AC360" that his work had been "grossly distorted" and he was the target of a "ruthless, pragmatic attempt to crush any attempt to investigate valid vaccine safety concerns."

The now-discredited paper panicked parents and led to a sharp drop in the number of children getting the vaccine. Measles cases increased in the ensuing years.

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  1. bibleverse1

    Cant we all agree we dont know what causes autism yet.

    March 29, 2013 at 11:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • SteveC

      Can we not also agree that we know what causes – AND WHAT CAN PREVENT – many serious communicable diseases?

      March 29, 2013 at 12:01 | Report abuse |
    • Macy

      It would be nice. I just talked to a mom of a 4 yr. old yesterday whose still refusing vaccines for her school age child. When I explained the autism connection to vaccines had been debunked, she said "no, it hasn't." She indicated that she'd rather her son be at risk for disease. I must have sat there with my mouth open as I am shocked how many people are still buying into this internet hysteria. It's very sad that so many people still prefer to risk the health of their child, and many others as they spread disease.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:16 | Report abuse |
    • MK

      Science is what $$ pushes. Please be wise and don't antagonist a mother, esp. if you don't have you a child. A newer report states that 1 in 50 kids have autism. What gives?

      March 29, 2013 at 13:37 | Report abuse |
    • Amaya Kaiya

      I agree with the idea of waiting for more answers.

      And also, what is so very wrong with a child developing Autism? People freaking out like this over Autism makes the people that live with it every day feel less worthy than others. There is nothing wrong with being part of the Autism Spectrum. My brother has high-functioning Autism, I would not be happier with him any other way. The first job of a parent is to love their his/her child, no matter what. Autism is not a bomb going off in a parents face, it is simply a fork in the road of life. Both paths are equally amazing, one is simply taken less. Love one another and have hope.

      March 30, 2013 at 02:03 | Report abuse |
    • Paulwew

      Not those of us who believe in large scale scientific studies conducted by reputable sceientists and doctors, and don't believe they all studied hard for 20 years, getting all A-pluses, and went to college and medical school, with the simple goal of hiding something from the rest of us.

      And not those of us who realize that the vaccine-link believers are generally parents of Autistic children, or irrationally worried parents, who are traumatized by their child's illness and not thinking rationally or scientifically, and no amount of proof will ever be acceptable. Ever.

      March 30, 2013 at 07:46 | Report abuse |
    • mike v

      Lets face it until we do a full study on vaccinated and unvaccinated kids!!! Until then we will just keep taking a chance on our kids lives!!!!!!!

      April 27, 2014 at 12:16 | Report abuse |
    • Erica

      does no one else see that this research is flawed? they only proved that not ALL children will develop Autism after being vaccinated. This study is the equivalent to saying "We took kids that died in car accidents and kids that did not. We measured how often they rode in cars and concluded that riding in cars did not kill them." A real study wd be to take vaxed and unvaxed and look at incidences of autism and neurological disorders. Guess what, its been done. Check out Generation Rescues research. Huge increase in vaccinated population.

      January 30, 2015 at 00:58 | Report abuse |
  2. Alan mcGraw

    "We" may not know, but the guys and gals (called scientists and medical researchers) who study this are making progress, and part of that progress is eliminating some potential explanantions, such as vaccines. Those same guys and gals also tell us that a number of preventable communicable disease are on the rise, because some of us latch onto pseudoscientific explanations, and refuse to proceed based on the scientific consensus-based recommendations for vaccination.

    What's next...the earth is 6000 years old, and fossils were placed in the rocks by the devil to confuse us?

    March 29, 2013 at 11:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • J Bishop

      What this study doesn't provide information about is the increasing amount of adjuvants, preservatives, etc. used to make cheaper vaccines (the reason for the reduction in antigens). Also, the schedule has accelerated. More vaccines given earlier to smaller infants and some of the above neglected vaccine components are toxic by weight and are given at doses hundreds to thousands of times daily exposure guidelines with no safety established for these bolus dosings.

      March 30, 2013 at 01:45 | Report abuse |
  3. Caroline

    Why did they do another research if they are sure autism doesn't come from vaccines? Or... parents believe sugar makes kids hyper but it is not scientifically proven.

    March 29, 2013 at 11:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Quentin Eichenauer

      Because every time the anti-vaxxers go "Nuh uh", the scientific community goes, ok, we'll DO IT AGAIN... and it always comes out the same way because, y'know... SCIENCE. IT WORKS.

      March 29, 2013 at 12:39 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Because the nutjobs who believe otherwise keep pitching sh it fits no matter how much actual evidence they're confronted with, and because they continue to hound others into skipping vaccinations, creating an alarming increase in the incidence of otherwise easily prevented diseases.

      Or, to be more blunt: because those same nutjobs are killing children thanks to their idiocy.

      March 29, 2013 at 12:56 | Report abuse |
    • Shane

      Scientists often do more than one experiment to verify their results.

      Also since the US and Europe seem to be having a huge influx on parents that believe that vaccines cause autism or other diseases, scientists are trying to show that they are beneficial, even though this won't make a huge difference to the parents that don't want to accept reality.

      March 29, 2013 at 18:01 | Report abuse |
  4. amdachel

    Yet another study from the agency that runs the vaccine program comes as no surprise. It masks the real controversy and covers up the truth. It's also perfectly timed to coincide with April–Autism Awareness Month. And with the coverage it's getting maybe the name should be changed to "Vaccines Don't Cause Autism Month."

    It should be noted that hundreds of individuals at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have conflict of interest waivers because they're also being paid by the vaccine industry. The last head of the CDC, Dr. Julie Gerberding, a long time denier of any link between vaccines and autism, is now head of the vaccine division at Merck.

    Anne Dachel, Age of Autism

    March 29, 2013 at 11:59 | Report abuse | Reply
    • BG

      Paranoia, it'll destroy 'ya

      March 29, 2013 at 12:08 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Show me a single scrap of actual scientific evidence for such a link. You can't do it.

      March 29, 2013 at 12:57 | Report abuse |
    • bcharlesd

      Questioning the omnipresent conflict of interest here is actually referred to as "healthy skepticism" not "paranoid". Think sheeple, think!

      March 29, 2013 at 13:13 | Report abuse |
    • Bryanska

      Sounds like a bunch of experts, working in the same field, some for public and some for private. It also sounds like robust systems exist to prevent conflict.

      Amdachel, your position is the definition of "conjecture". One the one hand, you're saying all these things MIGHT mean something (but you don't know what). On the other hand, several rigorous peer-reviewed scientific studies are very definitely saying something else. If your standards are so high that piles of factual evidence won't convince you, then nothing will convince you. YOU'RE CRAZY.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:25 | Report abuse |
    • bcharlesd

      "While mercury has gotten all the attention, aluminum (found in most vaccines) is also a major culprit in this shocking saga. Added to most vaccine are a number of substances either used during manufacturing or designed as an immune booster (adjuvant). These include albumin, aluminum (either as aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate or alum also known as aluminum potassium sulfate), various amino acids, DNA residues, egg protein, gelatin, monosodium glutamate (MSG), MRC-5 cellular protein and various antibiotics."

      Mercury = neuro-toxin (attacks the central nervous system)
      Aluminum = immune suppressor and neuro-toxin
      Monosodium Glutamate = excitotoxin (overexcites your cells to the point of damage, acting as a poison)
      MRC-5 cellular protein = originally derived from the lung tissue of a male fetus which was aborted in England in 1970

      That all sounds totally safe to me. Yup, for sure! You betcha!!

      March 29, 2013 at 13:38 | Report abuse |
    • Mike5557

      More of a weird mixture of stupid and crazy.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:39 | Report abuse |
    • bcharlesd

      Directly from the study linked in this article:

      "Dr. Frank DeStefano and colleagues from the CDC and Abt Associates, Inc. analyzed data from 256 children with autism spectrum disorder..."

      I hopefully don't have to point out the vested interest that the CDC has in keeping the vaccination program alive and well.

      So what about Abt Associates, Inc.? Well, this just happened: "Abt Associates Awarded Major Grant by USAID to Increase Access to Health Services" (Oct. 2012). From the press release: "The U.S. Agency for International Development today named Abt Associates to lead a five-year, $209 million project to increase the use of priority health services, especially by women, girls, poor and rural populations, in developing countries throughout the world."

      USAID is a government agency, which among other things is involved with the following (from a recent blog entry):

      "...immunizing children from preventable diseases meets that test. As USAID Administrator Raj Shah announced in London on Monday, by making a multi-year commitment to the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunizations (GAVI), the US is able to get the most from our investment – leveraging a pledge of $450 million over three years more than eight-fold into billions of dollars in commitments from other donors, including the UK, the Gates Foundation, Norway and others."

      Do ya think that Abt Associates, Inc. had any reason to come to the conclusion that there is no link between vaccinations and Autism? Maybe 209 million reasons??? And the omnipresent "Gates Foundation" – god bless them and all their work to poison the world's children with mercury, aluminum, MSG and all sorts of other crap that ends up in vaccines. Can we get a real vaccine/Autism study from an independent source not funded by any government, government agency, foundation that holds 500 million shares of Monsanto stock or drug company? In other words, a study from a source that has no vested interest in the outcome? Is that too much to ask?

      March 29, 2013 at 15:34 | Report abuse |
    • Rick

      Keep talking Anne, we'll give you credit for the body count you rack up.

      March 29, 2013 at 16:39 | Report abuse |
    • Barkin' Gil

      As a parent of an autistic child, I will always believe that the vaccine was the "trigger" that caused my sons condition.
      Many other parents tell similar stories. As the autism rate continues to climb, what then is the reason? Sure does not seem like the CDC has the answer, but many people continue to take their word as gospel. I do find however, the link$ between "Big Pharma" to be very disturbing. It is almost impossible to be impartial when that kind of $$$'s are on the table.
      How did that flu shot work out for you this year???

      March 29, 2013 at 17:46 | Report abuse |
    • Shane

      The total amount of mercury that a child would have received from all of their vaccines is still a lot less than what is in one Tuna sandwhich.

      Aluminum, while can be bad if a lot is taken, is also just added as trace amounts, and aluminum is just just about everything to begin with.

      The reason that Autism rates are climbing has more to do with the definition of Autism has broadened greatly, meaning more people fall within the umbrella. If we used the same definition and went back 40 years, it would still probably be the same.

      March 29, 2013 at 18:19 | Report abuse |
    • Laura Condon

      This report falls under the category of garbage in – garbage out.
      #1. This was a "study" not the gold standard, double-blind placebo research.
      #2. True, previous studies have "not specifically considered autism"
      #3. This study only looked at the antigens in vaccines (that part of "germs" that the body responds to) and NEVER even looked at the other ingredients in vaccines, especially the adjuvents...the additives in vaccines used to get the body to have an extreme reaction.
      #4. The study never looked at the total number of vaccines children are injected with and gave no consideration to vaccine combinations.
      #5. The study looked at only about 1,000 children...all of them vaccinated. Where is the study of vaxed/un-vaxed children?? The CDC does NOT want parents to see that evidence.
      #6. "Kids are exposed to viruses in the same way as vaccines"??? You've got to be kidding!! Natural pathogens enter the body through inhalation or ingestion. Vaccines enter the body through injection. This is NOT exposure in the same way at all.
      #7. My favorite lie of all time, "it's been estimated that kids could theoretically receive THOUSANDS of vaccines at once". Go ahead vaccine pushers...you first.

      March 29, 2013 at 22:21 | Report abuse |
    • fred

      Age of autism = nut jobs. Hope all the chiropractors out there can cure your kids of all diseases by a few simple back adjustments. Losers

      March 30, 2013 at 14:32 | Report abuse |
  5. amdachel

    CBS News ran this story about Hannah Poling in 2010: Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award. Are we to believe that vaccines have nothing to do with autism-except if you're Hannah Poling?
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

    March 29, 2013 at 12:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mike5557

      The vaccine court gives awards that have nothing to do with a cause-effect relationship. All that is required is a temporal relationship and the crackpot gets paid.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:25 | Report abuse |
    • luckyponytoo

      Hmm...who am I going to listen to when it comes to facts regarding health and disease: doctors or lawyers? Yeah, I think I'll stick with the doctors.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:42 | Report abuse |
    • J Bishop

      Thank you for the link. I would like to add that parents are finding several more past vaccine injury awards that "coincidentally" involve autism. Google "EBCALA unanswered questions"

      March 30, 2013 at 01:48 | Report abuse |
    • Paulwew

      And a court found OJ innocent.

      March 30, 2013 at 07:37 | Report abuse |
    • fred

      If you read the actual reports, that kid had a mitochondrial disorder. Any insult to her immune system would have caused damage. And she developed autistic type problems not actual autism. But kids with mitochondrial disorders are going to be screwed no matter what they do.

      March 30, 2013 at 14:35 | Report abuse |
    • Dr Fried

      Mike. That is not true. A lot more goes into it than that. Do you not believe the hard data scientists have proving vaccines sometimes have extremely deleterious side effects? Only a crackpot would say vaccines are risk free, that the PDR is wrong. It's a fascinating study of manipulation, the autism vaccine controversy. If you closely examine the so called proof that there is no link one rather quickly can see red flags. Case in point the above study. It didn't actually disprove the link. Cleverly done and summarized to fool people who want to be fooled, many of whom then use it and other either poorly conducted or misleadingly analyzed studies to verbally degrade people who can see the emperor wears no clothes.
      The much more intriguing study, the study that would blow the controversy apart and she'd a truer light on the issue: either way it played out, the study that members of congress have tried to legislate conducting and the CDC has avoided conducting like the plague, is the carefully executed study comparing vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations.
      Others have attempted to do it, but the finances were not available by private groups to conduct the study at the scrupulously high standards necessary to shed a strong light on the matter. That being said those preliminary studies are very troubling and reveal a likely reason the CDC and the WHO are both avoiding such comparisons: not only is there a hell of a lot more ASD in the vaccinated children, mortality is doubled and every health condition inquired about were much worse as well. I'm not anti-immunization. I'm all for safe immunization against dangerous diseases. I am not necessarily anti-vaccine. I'm waiting: for objective studies to be conducted. But it isn't looking good

      March 19, 2015 at 08:46 | Report abuse |
  6. amdachel

    If the CDC really wanted to convince parents that their ever-expanding vaccine schedule was safe, they'd welcome a simple study comparing fully vaccinated children with never vaccinated ones. With so many parents now too afraid to vaccinate, the study group is out there. If one in every 50 never vaccinated children also has autism, the proof would be there for all to see. This is the study no one at the CDC wants to see.

    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

    March 29, 2013 at 12:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • BG

      seriously, do something useful, like raking your neighbor's leaves, rather than spreading your garbage on the internet. How much do you hate children that you want to convince their parents to put them in danger of contracting a host of easily preventable diseases.. the blood of those children is on your hands...

      March 29, 2013 at 12:11 | Report abuse |
    • Bryanska

      Then go do it. Seriously, put your money where your mouth is and do it. It shouldn't be a hard hypothesis to test. Just put the proper controls in place and design a good experiment.

      PROVE something, please.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:27 | Report abuse |
    • Mike5557

      You need a prospective study to prove cause-effect. You can't do a retrospective study with populations with two completely different sets of variables and state cause-effect. That being said, there have been many, many, retrospective studies done not only in the US, but in many European countries - ALL of which state the obvious: vaccines are safe and effective.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:38 | Report abuse |
    • Erica

      How about the simple fact that the hysteria caused by that false study resulted in parents not vaccinating their kids. You know what? The Autism diagnoses since have actually increased. Unfortunately, so have the instances of children dying from preventable disease.

      March 29, 2013 at 15:20 | Report abuse |
    • LaraRebooted

      amdachel, there IS a study that compared vaccinated and unvaccinated children. It was conducted in Germany just a year or two ago, comparing the health history and autism rates of children whose parents had followed the recommended vaccination regimen and those whose parents had opted out. The result: there was NO difference whatsoever in the autism rates, but - as should come as no surprise to ANYONE - the children whose parents had opted out of the vaccination schedule had significantly higher rates of the diseases that the vaccines were intended to prevent. To sum up: not vaccinating put children at greater risk of DEATH. And vaccinating put children at no greater risk of autism.

      Given the recent research that has also pointed to the presence of denser synaptic tissue in the brains of people with autism - which would be genetic - you guys really need to stop tilting at this windmill and do something useful with your time.

      March 29, 2013 at 18:58 | Report abuse |
    • Robb

      "But Congressman, the scientific community has done observational studies of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children, comparing autism rates in children whose parents chose not to vaccinate. Those studies show that autism rates were slightly higher in unvaccinated children. That’s right, vaccinated children had autism at a lower rate."

      well, crap, what does your side say now?

      March 30, 2013 at 14:54 | Report abuse |
    • dx2718

      The way to do a controlled study would be to give some children vaccines and others placebo injections, selected randomly, double-blind. Of course, it would probably become obvious which shot the kids received because the vaccine kids would get a bit fussy, whereas placebos would not. But even assuming the parents didn't catch on, it would still be COMPLETELY UNETHICAL to do such a study. The placebo kids would be vulnerable to preventable and sometimes deadly diseases, and if they contracted them, would be contagious to others. If you study kids that have chosen not to vaccinate versus those who have chosen *to* vaccinate, then the samples aren't comparable, because of a huge selection bias. So it's not possible to do the study you propose.

      March 31, 2013 at 01:24 | Report abuse |
    • Erica

      This study was done by Generation Rescue! Look it up. It proves unvaxxed kids have much lower incidence of Autism and neorological disease.

      January 31, 2015 at 20:41 | Report abuse |
  7. amdachel

    HDNet TV exposed the fact that while health officials continue to tell us studies show no link, the federal government has paid out millions of dollars for compensation for vaccine injuries that included autism. Seeing these children who were born healthy and were suddenly and dramatically affected by their vaccinations should give us all pause.

    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

    March 29, 2013 at 12:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Paulwew

      This argument reminds me of "Miracle on 34th Street" where the court decides Santa Claus really exists because lots of 5 year old send him mail every year, and it's delivered by an official govt. agency- The US Post office – so he must be real.

      March 30, 2013 at 07:40 | Report abuse |
    • BA

      amdachel = deluded parent clinging to disproven nonsense
      AofAutism = cesspool for dpctdpn

      1. Autism is treatable (not through removing heavy metals or diets or other quackery)
      2. Not all people with autism are severely affected (some are brilliant, all are people who deserve love and respect)
      3. People clinging to faulty notions are robbing people with autism of resources and the understanding society needs to humanely deal with this disorder

      March 30, 2013 at 07:56 | Report abuse |
  8. amdachel

    If anyone is interested in INDEPENDENT RESEARCH on vaccines and their side effects they have only to look at the website for the new film, "The Greater Good," (See trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmEGbwQsOU ) which explores the question of vaccine safety from both sides.
    There are over 200 studies that raise serious concerns about vaccine side effects. http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/learn-more/science/

    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

    March 29, 2013 at 12:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KJ

      Then why are their millions of perfectly healthy children out there who've received vaccines???

      March 29, 2013 at 12:49 | Report abuse |
    • redSun

      Maybe if your child contracts small pox or mumps you can chalk it up to dumb luck, but be thankful they didn't contract autism! Just sterility and a life of hell... that's if they survive of course.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:40 | Report abuse |
  9. Donny Darkoh

    This study just doesn't prove anything except that kids, autistic and normal, get the same number of vaccines because they're on a standard schedule. The author of this article is jumping to conclusions. Here's a good analogy – suppose dust causes allergic symptoms in certain susceptible people. You could design a misleading study deceptively concluding that dust isn't the cause of allergic symptoms by showing that nonallergic people in an area are exposed to the same amount of dust as allergic people. I'm not saying that autism is definitely caused by vaccines - I'm just saying that this study is almost completely worthless!!

    March 29, 2013 at 12:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KJ

      But there have been other studies that have strong results

      March 29, 2013 at 12:51 | Report abuse |
    • Donny Darkoh

      KJ stated "But there have been other studies that have strong results" --
      KJ – I'd suggest citing these studies individually and analyzing each and every one before jumping to conclusions.

      April 1, 2013 at 11:07 | Report abuse |
  10. KJ

    Whooping cough is a very real illness and also very preventable...it's not worth the risk to not vaccinate your children.

    March 29, 2013 at 12:48 | Report abuse | Reply
  11. SixDegrees

    Well, sadly, not surprising.

    Wave the vaccination banana, and watch the anti-vax monkeys start howling.

    March 29, 2013 at 12:57 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Katie

      What is seriously sad is the fact that too many people submit to the recommendations of pharmaceutical companies when it comes to vaccines, because their glossary brochures tell of dire warnings of diseases that have occurred in years past in 3rd world countries where poor hygiene, malnutrition, lack of consistent medical care, and toxic environments are all large factors in public health. Vaccines cause harm too. Not autism, but they are not without other problems. In 2009 more babies DIED from the pertusis vaccine than from the disease. It's not unheard for two month olds to spend a night in the hospital after a round of vaccinations, sometimes in ICU with congestive heart failure. Type I diabetes is on the rise in otherwise healthy, normal-weight five year olds. MS, Myesthenia Gravis, and juvenile rheumatoid arthritis are presenting in teenagers in higher numbers. Be informed about vaccines. Report ALL symptoms, and follow up to make sure your pediatrician not only wrote it in the chart but also called it in to the CDC. You'd be surprised how many don't.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
    • Mike5557

      What is seriously sad that somebody can write such a long post without a single piece of correct information. This isn't naturalnews.com, Katie. You're lost.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:34 | Report abuse |
    • bcharlesd

      What is ever more sad, "Mike5557" is that your contributions to these threads are wrought with useless contentions based on conventional wisdom. The argument that: "An ordinary apple as more formaldehyde (or embalming fluid as you call it) than a vaccine does" is simple subterfuge. What is your point? Formaldehyde is no less detrimental to human health because it occurs naturally in Apples. Guess what, "The most recent NARMS retail meat report stated 90 percent of pork chops, ground beef and ground turkey, and 95 percent of chicken breasts, were contaminated with fecal bacteria." Does that mean it's OK to eat fecal matter since it is already contained in most CAFO-raised meat?

      March 29, 2013 at 18:28 | Report abuse |
  12. Robert

    There may very well be no connection between autism and vaccines. But vaccines still have a lot of horrible things in them, like mercury and embalming fluid, which are harmful to your body.

    March 29, 2013 at 13:11 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mike5557

      Big difference between ethyl-mercury and methyl-mercury, genius. An ordinary apple as more formaldehyde (or embalming fluid as you call it) than a vaccine does. Keep on spitting talking points, kid.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
    • Shane

      Agreed Mike, plus the fact that the amounts in it are negligible

      March 29, 2013 at 18:38 | Report abuse |
    • Craig62

      Robert, where do you get your information about vaccines?

      April 2, 2013 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
    • Smart Mom

      Citation needed, Robert. Claim of harm requires evidence of harm.

      May 16, 2013 at 08:59 | Report abuse |
  13. Katie

    I was one of the people who questioned the sheer amount of vaccines as a possible reason for the rise of autism. I thought it deserved investigation and I'm glad the medical researchers thought so too. The amounts of vaccinations has been linked to rises in autoimmune problems in children, so why not autism? I'm glad they have been able to rule it out, and I hope they gained some valuable insights into what the vaccines are doing to the immune systems of infants. It's too bad no one knows what causes autism, but every time they figure out what DOESN'T cause it, they can figure out what new path to research. The human body is extremely complex, and answers will not be found immediately.

    March 29, 2013 at 13:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bryanska

      Wonderful answer.

      March 29, 2013 at 13:32 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Autism is NOT an autoimmune disorder. It is a spectrum disorder with an unknown cause that is NOT linked to vaccination in any shape or form.

      March 29, 2013 at 15:14 | Report abuse |
    • J Bishop

      This study, unfortunately, does not consider the increase in vaccine substances know to artificially stimulate immune response, nor the increased dosing by weight as infants are vaccinated earlier and with more vaccines combined.

      For those unaware, autism manifests various immune system abnormalities:


      March 30, 2013 at 02:01 | Report abuse |
    • Tootoot

      well they are working on a new adjuvant that they are able to give to newborns by golly. lets make sure we maim them right out of the canal for pete's sake. really? when will enough be enough?

      April 2, 2013 at 17:31 | Report abuse |
  14. Rick

    Gee, how is that all prescription drugs have side effects (many serious) but somehow vaccines do not and work 100%.

    March 29, 2013 at 13:24 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mike5557

      They are not saying they are without side-effects. They are simply saying that autism is not one of the side-effects and any side-effects that are present are relatively minor.

      BTW, nobody said they are 100% effective, hence the importance of herd immunity.


      March 29, 2013 at 13:30 | Report abuse |
    • Dafish

      Healthcare is a scam to begin with. Our supposed modern medicine was invented by John Rockefeller. After the break-up of standard oil, he went into his dad's business of selling snake oil. He simply bought up the universities and hospitals and started introducing oil based medicine. So unless your an automobile, I'd keep every child away from these poisoning knuckleheads...

      March 29, 2013 at 14:31 | Report abuse |
    • Shane

      Dafish, its people like you that are the reason whooping cough and other diseases that were pretty much destroyed by vaccines are coming back.

      March 29, 2013 at 18:39 | Report abuse |
    • Hmm

      Whooping cough is not "coming back" because people aren't vaccinating. It never went away. First of all, the vaccine does not work against all strains of whooping cough. Secondly, there is still an incredibly few amount of parents who do not vaccinate. There was an outbreak in California in 2010, 81% of those who contracted it were fully up to date on their immunizations. The maker of the vaccine has stated the vaccine is 78% effective in preventing the disease...until age 6. It declines after that. The CDC admitted this year they have seen a new strain of whooping cough that does not respond well to vaccination.

      March 30, 2013 at 11:17 | Report abuse |
    • Dafish

      Shane, they've already proven that the whooping cough vaccine is a fake, supposedly it only lasts 3 years... Kind of like the Flu vaccine, I never get a flu shot. I don't get the flu either. When I was in the military I was made to get a flu shot. Amazingly, I always had the flu afterwards. Our vaccine industry is nothing but poison... It was started by John Rockefeller, whose father sold "snake oil", prior to him making a bundle off of Standard Oil. I may not be a doctor, but I'm smart enough to realize Rockefeller isn't either, and if these vaccines are synthetic based, they'd serve a more useful purpose in an engine...

      March 30, 2013 at 23:56 | Report abuse |
    • Helen Birch

      Who said they're 100% risk free? But you know, can you tell the difference between 1 in several thousand, and 1 in 5?

      I can. The first is the vaccines. The second is the world without vaccines. I want my child to have a greater chance to live. Therefore he got vaccinated.

      March 31, 2013 at 08:10 | Report abuse |
  15. Brian

    One size doesnt fit all. Each baby develops differently neurologically. To think that all babies will react the same to toxins introduced to them is embarrasingly naive.

    March 29, 2013 at 13:39 | Report abuse | Reply
    • fred

      Vaccines are not toxins. Keep spreading your paranoid propaganda though. It is quite entertaining.

      March 30, 2013 at 14:41 | Report abuse |
  16. Dan

    I've never seen a more picture perfect example of the term "first world problems" than the anti-vaxxer movement. It's evangelists are pushing pseudo scientific paranoid conspiracies at people whose pampered lives are so devoid of anything approaching a struggle that they glom on to manufactured struggles in order to give their lives meaning.

    Normally I'd be content to sit back and laugh at willfully ignorant people but this movement is causing real harm to communities. Once all-but-eradicated diseases are gaining a foothold in communities that – shocker of all shockers – have a high rate of anti-vaxx parents. Either get your kids immunized or keep your little patient zeroes at home where they won't infect anybody else.

    March 29, 2013 at 13:46 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Amy

      Thank you.

      March 29, 2013 at 14:14 | Report abuse |
    • Shelley

      Unvaccinated children are NOT the ones the bring the disease into the community, it is the vaccinated ones. Also, many children have died from vaccines, many adults have died also. I am neither for or against vaccines, I am for education and for each family to be as informed as possible before they make their decision, not that they are forced and coerced without being given all the possible options.

      March 29, 2013 at 17:04 | Report abuse |
    • Brandon


      March 29, 2013 at 21:44 | Report abuse |
    • J Bishop

      Vaccine compliance has been greater the past two decades than in the previous decades, but vaccine based immunity is not the same as herd immunity. The vaccine schedule has more than tripled, so today's parents accused by the corporate media of skipping vaccines may still be getting their children more vaccines than they received.

      Vaccines have also changed. Fewer antigens means more reliance on adjuvants to stimulate immune response artificially. This study ignore the doses toxic by weight that have increased in the vaccine schedule.

      March 30, 2013 at 02:08 | Report abuse |
    • dx2718


      March 31, 2013 at 01:52 | Report abuse |
    • dx2718

      @Shelley, you're simply wrong. Every time there's a news story about an outbreak of a vaccine-preventable illness like measles, it is an unvaccinated person who has contracted it and spreads it to others, some of whom are vaccinated and some unvaccinated. The unvaccinated victims tend to be too young for the vaccines, and too young to be able to fight the illness, and so some of them end up dying. There is a real toll associated with the vaccination/autism scare: parents afraid to have an autistic kid do something that makes them feel safer – opt against vaccines – and actually makes their kid, and every kid their kid plays with, vulnerable. And the result is children dying of preventable causes. Personally, I'd much rather have an autistic kid than a dead kid. But since vaccines don't cause autism, and I'd rather not have an autistic kid, I'd really appreciate if they stop investigating whether vaccines cause autism and look for other possible causes. I'm betting it has something to do with processed foods, xenoestrogens, or other environmental factors. Of course, pointing to one of these things will cause mass hysteria because parents can't so easily opt out of them as they can opt out of life-saving vaccines!

      March 31, 2013 at 01:57 | Report abuse |
    • Smart Mom

      Bill Gates did make a mistake. He assumed that people watching his TED talk had watched the whole talk where he explains that parents of healthy children have fewer of them. The biggest families are in places where life sucks and people die all the time from diseases that are easily preventable via vaccines. If you vaccinate, you end up with smaller healthier families. But trolls like Brandon willfully misrepresent things because they believe that the end justifies the means. But when your end is based upon lies, misunderstandings and misrepresentations, it's not worth pursuing. So start being honest with yourself and others. You'll find the world makes more sense.

      May 16, 2013 at 09:43 | Report abuse |
  17. Mark

    As long as doctors, hospitals, and vaccine manufacturers are exempt from any liability with their products, I will not vaccinate.

    March 29, 2013 at 13:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Starflyr

      You will only vaccinate when you can sue if doctors can be held liable for vaccines? Seriously?

      As a pediatrician, I can see both sides of this.

      NO ONE is saying that vaccines are risk free. In countries where there is still endemic polio, they still vaccinate with oral polio vaccine. That vaccine is KNOWN to cause 5 cases of polio per 100,000 doses given. But, to eradicate wild type polio, it is considered worth the risk. In India, now that they are 2 years past the last endemic polio case, they are now switching to the injectible (killed) polio vaccine, which is not as effective in inducing immunity – so that they will not longer risk giving children polio by vaccinating.

      DTP (the old pertussis vaccine) had a risk of seizure that was 1:3,000, so they developed the acellular pertussis vaccine (DTaP) which is now given. There is still a risk of seizure, but it is 1:30,000. However, we are now finding, years out, that it is not as effective at long-term immunity and are facing a pertussis epidemic in adults whose immunity is worn off and are having to give boosters to teenagers, pregnant women and adults to try to bring it back under control (pertussis kills small babies and is pretty miserable for older people who dont get treated early).

      Vaccines are NOT perfect. it's a balancing act. But I have also taken care of non-vaccinated children who contracted strains of Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) meningitis and Streptococcus pneumoniae (PCV13) infections that COULD HAVE BEEN prevented by vaccination that ended up blind, deaf, paralyzed or dead. My father in law has post-polio syndrome. I was a resident in the days before rotateq came out, and having 50-100 babies in the hospital for dehydration for 7-10 days was awful...the year before it came out. The year after, we had 2. All year.

      I had a friend die of nesseria pneumoniae meningitis in college, and I was the RA that took her to the hospital and had to stay in quarantine for 3 days at the hospital with her. So, yeah, menactra? Totally in support of that.

      That's my side of the story. Others have their side. Either way, you take a risk. It's each family's decision for themselves. but if you choose not to follow current medical advice, and your child contracts a vaccine preventable illness, know this. YOU chose it, against your doctor's advice. YOU did. So it's not the time to turn around and cry that you werent warned and sue the pants off of everyone. We told you. and you told us that you knew better. It wouldnt happen to you.

      March 29, 2013 at 14:49 | Report abuse |
    • Helen Birch

      "Thank you" for risking MY child with your willingness to spread preventable diseases, you jerk.

      Read the other reply. No, vaccines aren't perfect, and some people have adverse reactions. But you know what, I looked at the possible adverse reactions – the real ones, not the invented paranoia of autism – and I looked at the diseases prevented. And the diseases are by far the worse risk.

      March 31, 2013 at 08:06 | Report abuse |
    • Craig62

      The University of Miami was sued a few years ago for administering an expired vaccine that resulted in multiple amputations for a 12 year old boy. The family was awarded about $11 million. So what you are saying about legal immunity is not true. You are repeating anti-vaccine talking points. Vaccine makers can also be sued in civil court. So can doctors.

      April 2, 2013 at 13:32 | Report abuse |
    • Tootoot

      you are forced to go through the vaccine court before you can sue in the courts.

      April 2, 2013 at 17:34 | Report abuse |
  18. CDub

    I just want to know where Jenny McCarthy is now?

    March 29, 2013 at 13:54 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. TheMovieFan

    "A new study published in the Journal of Pediatrics Friday may put them at ease."

    No it will not. There is nothing you can say to irrational & ignorant people...except perhaps, "You know what? Despite the years and years of training we in the medical field have had, you folks who frequent on-line forums of conspiracy theories were right because your chattering amongst yourselves has revealed the truth. As a matter of fact, all the world's problems should be given to you guys because with your wisdom you can uncover any truth and make this a better world."

    March 29, 2013 at 13:55 | Report abuse | Reply
    • SixDegrees

      Qutie true. Even when they start piling up little dead bodies in the streets due to otherwise easily preventable childhood diseases running rampant thanks to skipping vaccinations, these lunkheads will still clamp their eyes and ears shut.

      March 29, 2013 at 14:12 | Report abuse |
    • Brandon

      Your inability to question so called "Experts" is ignorant, not only that it's arrogant. You're only helping people like Bill Gates who FYI want us all dead. He's even said it himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064

      March 29, 2013 at 21:41 | Report abuse |
  20. Brian

    Giving a new born infant a hep c vaccine is absured unless of course you think that baby will engage in risky sex or drug abuse. I'm not on either side just the side of common sense. Why other than money would you give a newborn a hep c vaccine.

    March 29, 2013 at 13:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Quixoticelixer

      Vertical transmission. The mother can pass the virus to the baby during labor.

      March 29, 2013 at 15:17 | Report abuse |
    • Shelley

      If the mother doesn't have it, then why give the vaccine to the child?

      March 29, 2013 at 17:06 | Report abuse |
  21. Amy

    I'd rather my child be autistic (and I have one) than die of some nasty disease or live with the after-effects. My husband and I knew people from our parents' and grandparents' generations who had suffered, and we didn't want that for our children.

    Regardless, no new "debunking" will ever change the minds of people who have already made up their minds. I only hope they don't kill or disable the infants of my friends in the process, as they are too young to get the protection of an entire series. Or that they don't kill my elderly friends – some decorated war heroes – who have weakened immune systems due to advanced age or illness.

    March 29, 2013 at 14:13 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Brandon

      So you'd rather your child suffer in life than die from some so called disease. Most diseases that can kill you are already dead themselves. There aren't that many actual diseases that can kill. Most things that kill people today are a result of vitamin deficiencies. Which is actually cancer. They don't tell you that either.

      March 29, 2013 at 21:40 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Wow.... drawing thee different independent inferences together that have very little connection.... "There are very few diseases that can kill"? Well, given that there are hundreds of different types of cancers, microbes, genetic diseases, metabolic disorders, autoimmune disorders, malnutrition, etc etc etc there are plenty of different things that can cause mortality in modern society. Please post something insightful, rather than biased and inflammatory, and stop with the pointless rhetoric.

      March 29, 2013 at 23:08 | Report abuse |
    • dx2718

      @Brandon: more than 100 children per year die of the FLU. Most are unvaccinated. Most are completely healthy before they contract the flu. This number was way higher before they had the vaccine. Same goes for all the other diseases they vaccinate against. They don't develop vaccines for diseases that aren't potentially deadly.

      March 31, 2013 at 02:05 | Report abuse |
  22. Dafish

    More lies from a bought and paid for news outlet... Amazing how we as human beings didn't need doctors jabbing people with needles for tens of thousands of years, but now, since there is money involved, we need all of these vaccines... Personally, I haven't taken my child to the doctors for many years, she's avoided needles, and she doesn't have autism. But there is a kid in her class who is constantly at the doctors, drools all over himself, and also likes to on occasion bang his head on his desk (they call it autism)...

    March 29, 2013 at 14:28 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Kate in MI

      Dafish: Holy cow. You really believe this? People didn't need doctors jabbing them for thousands of years? Yes. Maybe. But their life-expectancy was maybe 35 if they were lucky.

      March 29, 2013 at 21:07 | Report abuse |
    • Brandon

      No actually they've recorded people's life expectancy in Ancient times were 120-130 years.

      March 29, 2013 at 21:37 | Report abuse |
    • Dafish

      Benjamin Franklin, 84, no MMR vaccine
      George Washington, 67, no MMR vaccine, but a doctor did practice, "blood letting" when he died (rumored 6 pints)
      Thomas Jefferson, 83, no MMR vaccine
      John Adams, 90, no MMR vaccine
      James Madison, 85, no MMR vaccine
      WW II Concentration camps ran by doctors who gave out numerous vaccines and needle jabs: 11 million dead...

      Are you sure about your figures?

      March 31, 2013 at 00:07 | Report abuse |
    • Helen Birch

      Dafish: Heard of anyone dying of smallpox lately? It wwas eradicated, almost entirely by vaccination.

      How about killed or crippled by polio? Sadly, that is still around.

      There's pertussis. Again, still around, not least because of people who don't vaccinate.

      Measles killed in large numbers.

      Talking about the people who survived exposure is ignoring a vastly huge swathe of infant mortalities. Remember, people used to have large families based on the likelihood a disturbing number of children in their community, if not in their own household, would die.

      March 31, 2013 at 07:45 | Report abuse |
    • Dafish

      Helen, that is an absolute fabrication of the truth. I posted what I did, and point well proven. Polio still exists, smallpox still exists (our government recently purchased vaccines for it, oh I thought it was eradicated). The fact of the matter is this, Polio was taken care of through sanitation, smallpox, as well as many, many, many, other diseases always have and always will exist. Our bodies through whole food, are specifically designed to combat these diseases. We are no different than any other species on our planet, if a new strain of whatever show up, then we'll be subjected to eradication just like any other species on the planet. Besides, vaccines are manufactured by people who have interests in oil based products. Curiously, when I see other species around me, they don't subject themselves to those vaccines. Birds are still flying, deer are running, and pigs are "makin Bacon"...

      March 31, 2013 at 11:18 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      If polio was eradicated through sanitation, than how is it that no other human disease has been eradicated through sanitation? Smallpox was eradicated due to vaccination. The US and Russia still hold a stockpile of the virus for research purposes, however.

      March 31, 2013 at 12:21 | Report abuse |
    • Craig62

      The last wild case of smallpox was 1977. Polio incidence in the US plummeted 99% between 1953 and 1972 – the Salk vaccine became available in 1955. Improved sanitation is blamed for a resurgence of polio in the US in the 1940s. You can look it up – although I know you won't.

      April 2, 2013 at 13:37 | Report abuse |
  23. Diane W Farr

    This study tells us that an infants chance is 1 in 3 of developing autism if vaccinated. The number is only 1 in 88 when you combine the vaccinated and unvaccinated population.

    March 29, 2013 at 14:30 | Report abuse | Reply
  24. Tony

    Check out the CDC website for vaccine ingredients and then goggle the ingredients in case you don't know what they are. Be informed what is being injected into your children and yourself.

    March 29, 2013 at 15:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. Dellaroccokc

    In another news, Scientist have proven that man did indeed walk on the moon, Kenendy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, terrorist brought down the Twin Towers, and the people who believe similar things like this are holding back the advancement of mankind.

    March 29, 2013 at 15:35 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Brandon

      I believe people like you are preventing our ability to proceed foward. You never question anything in your pretty little fake tv reality life do you? You think you matter in the world because people praise you for doing stuff that only helps the establishment.

      March 29, 2013 at 21:36 | Report abuse |
  26. PS

    I have Asperger's Syndrome, and my two children are also on the autism spectrum. I said it back when "Doctor" Quackfield was spewing his lies, and I'll say it again: Vaccines do NOT cause autism. My kids are autistic because they inherited my genes... and, hold your hats kids: I'm okay with that. Autism does not define them any more than it defines me. It's a part of who they are.

    Jumping up and down and calling our neurological differences some sort of disease that must be cured is a disservice to them, it marginalizes who they are, and it does nothing to help them learn to be fully functioning, independent adults someday. Treating them with dignity and helping them navigate through the challenges autism sends their way with kindness and compassion will go much further.

    The commenters who say this won't assure people who are steadfastly convinced vaccines are evil are absolutely right. I knew a couple who demonized me and my husband because we refused to believe shots made our children autistic. They refused to vaccinate their child, and eventually eschewed play dates. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they think autism is "catching" – and these are college-educated adults. Paranoia is sometimes equal opportunity.

    That said, given autism now affects 1 in 50, the sooner the anti-vaccine, "Oh noes, autism is the worstest thing ever!" bandwagon shuts their pieholes and the sooner our tax dollars go more toward better education, awareness, and resources instead of testing this dead theory over and over again to try and placate the anti-vax folks, the better off we'll be.

    March 29, 2013 at 15:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Minnow

      Well said PS.

      March 29, 2013 at 16:40 | Report abuse |
  27. SixDegrees

    Connection between vaccination and autism: a recent study found that children of women who contracted the flu during pregnancy had a significantly higher risk of autism than children whose mothers did not contract the flu.

    Of course, this isn't what the anti-vax loons want to hear – it's exactly the opposite, in fact.

    I wonder if they're happy that their irrational fear, ignorance and idiocy has actually caused MORE cases of autism by scaring people away from vaccinations?

    March 29, 2013 at 15:51 | Report abuse | Reply
    • J Bishop

      That research found a link between fever and autism. Since the flu vaccine has fever as a side-effect and many doses contain the immune toxin thimerosal, you might make things worse with the vaccine re autism risk, not to mention no efficacy in pregnancy has been demonstrated for the flu vaccine.

      March 30, 2013 at 02:16 | Report abuse |
    • Helen Birch

      JBishop: Fever is also, and much more often, a symptom of flu.Sometimes you might even get it from other diseases. A few people who get a flu vaccine get a fever. virtually everyone with the flu gets it. Which sounds like a greater risk to you?

      March 31, 2013 at 08:00 | Report abuse |
  28. Greg

    Vaccine Proponents Playbook, Argument Two: Everything Causes Autism Except Vaccines

    The anti-vaxers are so frustrating. They just don’t believe us when we tell them what really causes autism. Autism is caused by abused mothers, old mothers, fat mothers, stressed mothers, old fathers, old grandfathers, fathers in their 40s marry women in their 20s, parents who have an old father, engineer and tech parents, having siblings too close together, women not taking folic acid during pregnancy or having a fever or flu during pregnancy, lack of vitamin D, c-section deliveries, low birth weight, living too close to a highway, lots of rainfall, air pollution. Everything causes autism except vaccines.

    March 29, 2013 at 15:56 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Minnow

      So we can (and apparently have) designed an experiment that can falsify the hypothesis that vaccines cause autism. As Bacon said "..a form of induction which shall analyse experience and take it to pieces, and by a due process of exclusion and rejection lead to an inevitable conclusion." That, my dear fellow, is what science is all about. It is a method that has been shown to work better than anything else ever devised by the human mind. You do have to get your brain around the fact that nothing in science is certain, but at some point it's lunacy to deny the evidence as it piles up. This is why I feel quite comfortable laughing at climate deniers and creationists. We are past the point where those false understandings of the way the world works are reasonable.

      March 29, 2013 at 16:49 | Report abuse |
    • J Bishop

      The evidence is slowly coming in on the side not presented in the media, so every so often all the corporate machine funds a study like the above, with the public purse, and broadcasts a disingenuous representation of the findings far and wide.


      March 30, 2013 at 02:20 | Report abuse |
  29. Greg

    Vaccine Proponents Playbook, Argument Three: The Wakefield Card

    No matter how well reasoned and logical an anti-vaxers arguments are, always rebut them by reminding them that Wakefield was discredited. For instance, they say that tens of thousand of parents report their child dramatically regressed into autism following vaccination. You remind them that Wakefield was discredited. They say that the autism explosion coincides precisely with the expanded vaccination schedule. Again, you remind them that Wakefield was discredited. They say that autistics have seizures, brain inflammation and other autoimmune issues that vaccines are known to cause, vaccine courts compensate for damages leading to autism, vaccines have never been tested for their long-term safety… (You know!)

    March 29, 2013 at 16:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Quixoticelixer

      That's because "vaccine proponents" have used science to continually and irrefutably reject Wakefield's argument by using experimentation and observation. This is how science works. So, yes, this is precisely all the argument we need to prove our point.

      March 29, 2013 at 19:22 | Report abuse |
    • J Bishop

      A UK judge largely overturned the GMC findings in Prof. John Walker-Smith's appeal and restored his medical license, effectively overturning the verdict against Wakefield as well, but he does not have the means to contest.

      The main findings of the retracted case series have been replicated several times and the reasons stated for retraction are unfounded. Parents following this issue hope the injustice done to these doctors and researchers will soon be rectified, that our injured children can be treated and recovered to the fullest extent possible, without the fear of similar attacks preventing other physicians investigating and developing appropriate therapies.

      March 30, 2013 at 02:32 | Report abuse |
  30. FaceChecker

    Not sure that this study statistically proves anything. To prove what this article claims, it would be necessary to show that there is significant variation of each antigen with no corresponding variation of rate of autism. If there is no variation of the dangerous antigen, all this shows is that, of all the people taking the same risk, some are lucky and some are not.

    March 29, 2013 at 16:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • SixDegrees

      No; it shows that there is no difference in risk of autism amongst those who take vaccines and those who don't.

      March 29, 2013 at 16:31 | Report abuse |
    • Minnow

      Science never proves anything, didn't you know that? Proof is for math and philosophy. Science uses evidence to draw causal linkages.

      March 29, 2013 at 16:52 | Report abuse |
    • Undecided

      No six degrees, it absolutely does not show that. It doesn't because none of the kids in the study were unvaccinated. About all this study shows is that some folks who were exposed to certain levels of antigens also have autism and some don't. Without including a study group of unvaccinated subjects and controlling for other variables (which would require a much larger universe than this study appears to have had) this study tells us basically nothing about whether antigen exposer through vaccination increases the incedence of autism or not. This study doesn't even appear to compare groups with varying levels of antigen exposure to see if the is an increase or decrease in incedence of autism. At least as it is reported, autism seems to be the variable in the study as opposed to vaccination or level of vaccination, which is backwards.

      November 30, 2013 at 02:36 | Report abuse |
  31. OpWaveRide

    Interestingly enough I read no mention of the additives with in the vaccines such as thermasol/mercury which causes neurological defects. I hear themasol has been removed in most vaccines however its not even mentioned in this article. This is a pharmaceutical approved main stream blog. I now feel safer then ever.......

    March 29, 2013 at 16:55 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. Greg

    Vaccine Proponents Playbook, Argument Three: A Coincidental Thing

    Parents doubt us when we tell them that autism after vaccination is a coincidental thing. Hopefully, the latest scientific discovery will change this. A parallel universe with a twin planet earth has been found. On this new earth everything is the same except kids don't get vaccinated. Interestingly, around 18 months of age some of these kids suddenly come down with a fever and develop measles like rashes over their body. They will also scream and cry inconsolably for hours. After this, they will start to lose their words and other previously acquired skills. The downward spiral continues with their ‘stimming’ behaviour, followed by the full onset of autism. These finding may come as a shock to many. We, however, are not surprised and have been saying all along that autism is unrelated to vaccines.

    March 29, 2013 at 16:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Liberty

      Greg you forgot one.
      Vaccine Proponents Playbook, Argument Four: A delayed or reduced vaccine schedule actually means no vaccines. Also know as the vaccination strawman card.

      Doesn't mater that several other industrialized countries only require 11 vaccines and none at birth for their infants. If you dare suggest a delayed or reduced schedule is an acceptable alternative you are obviously against all vaccines and have a diabolical plan to infect the world with highly contagious illnesses. Don't even bother to mention that those same countries with reduced vaccines don't have epidmics and also have significantly lower infant mortality and a lower rate of autsim than in the USA. Infant mortality rates http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/ Autsim comparative rates http://www.fourteenstudies.org/nowwhat.html

      May 6, 2013 at 00:39 | Report abuse |
  33. Registered Nurse

    By the way this article was written by Caitlin Hagan a producer. I can not find any credentials on Miss Hagan to credit her medical expertise.

    March 29, 2013 at 17:15 | Report abuse | Reply
  34. Primal 4 Life

    LMAO the CDC. Sorry but they have ZERO credibility. Give me an independent, unbiased, non agenda driven study. Then, and only then, will I believe there is no connection. As it stands there is plenty of credible evidence pointing to a connection.

    March 29, 2013 at 17:18 | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Todd

    I think the data that is not reported is obvious. If you adjust SPSS to find a correlation between "did an autistic person receive a vaccine" the results would show a statistically significant correlation between the two. That is limited or weak data since it is only a correlation, but still would be statistically significant. I think it is still careless to say there is no link.

    March 29, 2013 at 18:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. ridn4free

    our daughter has aspergers, the time we noticed a change in our daughter was after an immunization. I have no proof but a child and the events that occurred after the immunization

    March 29, 2013 at 18:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • SixDegrees

      Sounds to me like there's a genetic component for mental defectiveness in your family.

      March 29, 2013 at 19:12 | Report abuse |
  37. joejoe

    Its like saying there was one group that smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day, and the second group smoked theirs at night, and therefore in our conclusion cigarette smoking is not associated with cancer, in-fact for those that smoked they seemed to be protected from diseases such as Alzheimer's and Dementia, however what they don't tell you in the study is that the smokers died earlier than non-smokers, thus giving the impression of prevention.

    March 29, 2013 at 19:04 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. joejoe

    TRANSLATION OF THIS CDC STUDY COULD BE TRANSLATED LIKE THIS, Let us say there was one group that smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day, and the second group smoked theirs at night, and therefore in our conclusion cigarette smoking is not associated with cancer, in-fact for those that smoked they seemed to be protected from diseases such as Alzheimer's and Dementia, however what they don't tell you in the study is that the smokers died earlier than non-smokers, thus giving the impression of prevention.

    March 29, 2013 at 19:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. RN

    I say if you don't vaccinate your kid- they should not be allowed in public space. They are risking the health and well-being of the general public – no school entry, no shopping, no Disney Land, etc... keep them confined to your home. I don't actually care if you don't vaccinate them- I just don't want to be exposed to them.

    March 29, 2013 at 19:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • rndawn10

      I am also an RN(BSN), since 1996. Continuing education and research. I have worked in many different capacitiies. I wish to say this: the immunization schedule was discussed in "community nursing". We learn of the anatomy and physiology of the immune system in several different classes. But, I will tell you, there is never any discussion, lecture, testing, references sited, research discussed, regarding the toxins in the vaccines. So if you feel that the "non-vaccinated" population is a danger for your "vaccinated" population, then why did anyone bother to get their vaccines? Antigen-antibody response is one thing but to add the toxins that damages and targets several systems, but especially the CNS, kidneys, immune system,etc...those are toxic issues that seem to be ironically left out or manipulated in the studies. Easy to go along with the "norm" until something changes your life or the lives of your children.

      March 30, 2013 at 20:27 | Report abuse |
    • dx2718

      The non-vaccinated being a danger to the vaccinated has nothing to do with toxins. It has to do with the fact that vaccines aren't 100% effective. Some people will still not be immune after receiving the vaccine. But if everyone is vaccinated, the chance that the virus will find a host who is one of the unlucky ones unaffected by the vaccine is small, so the disease doesn't get a chance to spread. The larger the percentage of unvaccinated people, the more chance the virus will have to find hosts and thus find its way to one of the ineffectively vaccinated people.

      March 31, 2013 at 02:11 | Report abuse |
  40. sanfernando

    So. Once again the drug dealer tells you his drugs are ok and you go, "oh, ok." WAKE UP. Are you under the impression that these are INDEPENDENT studies? Of course not! Dr. Frank DeStefano is in Pharma's pocket. For those of you with only a few functioning brain cells: HE IS PAID TO FIND NOTHING WRONG. It's a farce people. A lie. The only reliable data produced on the subject come from overseas, and it's all saying the same thing: IF YOU WANT ZOMBIE BABIES, VACCINATE THEM.

    March 29, 2013 at 19:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Quixoticelixer

      So we're supposed to believe your short paragraph rather than the years and years of research performed in a laboratory by numerous scientists from several different countries all because of your purported anxiety over a largely confidential and elaborate corporate conspiracy that has been (and still is) taking selective advantage over how seemingly gullible the average American citizens are in order to line their pockets?

      March 29, 2013 at 19:46 | Report abuse |
  41. joejoe

    Well, Well, Well, how did I know, after all the hoopla, "CREATED BY THE INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING" headline, at the end of the "INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING STUDY" is the statement that vaccines in infancy could be related to regressive autism at the age of 1 or 2. This again is INTENTIONALLY misleading with their headline "New CDC Study Says No Link Between Vaccinations and Autism", so far every study that was funded or done by the CDC has been extremely flawed or rigged.So in conclusion, they admit to vaccines causing autism in some children, just the opposite of what their telling us, and that's how the CDC operates!

    March 29, 2013 at 20:12 | Report abuse | Reply
    • dx2718

      The theory that vaccines caused autism was a HYPOTHESIS that they tested with this study, and found evidence against (or rather, no evidence to support).

      March 31, 2013 at 02:13 | Report abuse |
  42. SleeplessInSammamish

    Perhaps no connection to autism.....how about death? My healthy, two year old son had an MMR, DPT, HIB and Oral Polio and was dead within 24 hours. Death certificate states cause of death as "Undetermined"...right. It's all about the money, people.

    March 29, 2013 at 20:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Hmm

      I am so sorry for your loss.

      March 30, 2013 at 11:20 | Report abuse |
  43. Mike Tomich

    CNN didn’t post this last time…lets hope they do now.

    Autism is caused by physical shaking of the embryo in the Uterus. Today's vehicles have stiff/hard riding suspensions that cause occupants to be shaken thus mini physical shock-loads are transmitted through the unborn.

    Researchers are so entrenched with their tunnel vision trying to find biological causes.....they blow-off the possibility of physical shaking cause. Every one of the parents of autistic children I have spoken with did ride in vehicles that shook them because of the stiff suspension.

    The way around this is to sit on a cushion thick enough to isolate the body from the shock-loads. The cushion will also eliminate the inflammation in the L-5, L-5 area of the spine.

    Next time you drive your vehicle...pay attention to the continuous bumps/shock-loads that come through your body and cause it to bounce up and down. This is bad for adults and embryos. Our body was not designed for these mini earthquakes. One million shock-loads is too much. Interviews point to lower back pain, depression, mood swings, sleepless nights, fibromyalgia (inflammation) and more.

    Visit of free public information website http://www.miketomich.com, Module 4 for autism. Children's deformed knuckles from too much video gaming in Module 1. Adults deformed knuckles from the new stiff; rack-and-pinion electronic steering is Module 2.

    Questions miketomich@yahoo.com Put “CNN-Autism” in the subject line

    I do hope Dr. Gupta reads this. Please share our website with your friends.

    March 29, 2013 at 20:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • dx2718

      Seriously? LOL. I spent a lot of time during both pregnancies riding on buses and both of my children are neurotypical. Nice try!

      March 31, 2013 at 02:15 | Report abuse |
  44. Greg

    Vaccine Proponents Playbook, Argument One: We love Scientific Studies.

    Look! We are science people. We love scientific studies. We welcome any study on the relationship between vaccines and autism. As it stands, the good people at pharma have funded numerous robust and rigorous studies proving unequivocally that there is no link between vaccines and autism. What? You want us to do one more study comparing the health outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated children? Well, where are we going to find so many unvaccinated children? Such a study would be really difficult. It’s unethical to withhold vaccines from children. We will have no part of such a study! We love scientific studies though.

    March 29, 2013 at 20:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Helen Birch

      Funny, I think witholding vaccines and risking death by measles, rubella, pertussis, polio, etc to be a genuinely evil risk to put someone's child through. Especially as it's not just the child not vaccinated who's at risk, but anyone else, adult or child, either not vaccinated or for whom the vaccine didn't take in their vicinity.

      SOunds like a good reason to me.

      March 31, 2013 at 07:54 | Report abuse |
  45. happybaby

    BS. Don't believe a lick of it. Not poisoning my kids. Not fooling me. -awake

    March 29, 2013 at 21:16 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Brandon

    Why have vaccines only started to be needed within the last one hundred years? Before that nobody used them .There was no need. The fact is they are unnatural, they are un-needed and the only people that are paranoid are the ones forcing their children to do something that they don't want to do, all in the name of saving them from some so called "Disease". If you look up the ACTUAL studies these vaccines cause more problems than most natural diseases you can even contract.

    March 29, 2013 at 21:17 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Quixoticelixer

      Again, more inflammatory nonsense. Vaccines have been around since the end of the 18th century, but have only been utilized in modern society for the past century. There was a time when viral infections from measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, diphtheria, smallpox, polio, etc were very commonplace. And vaccination has helped quell them from being spread.

      March 29, 2013 at 23:16 | Report abuse |
    • rndawn10

      WELL SAID!!! Pass it along!

      March 30, 2013 at 20:30 | Report abuse |
    • dx2718

      Right, we don't need vaccines. As long as we accept a reality where 1 in 5 of our kids will die from one of those illnesses they have vaccines to prevent. Look up the numbers. Vaccines have saved the lives of millions of children.

      March 31, 2013 at 02:17 | Report abuse |
  47. Brandon

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064 From The Man Himself. Think they want your children to live? Think Again..

    March 29, 2013 at 21:19 | Report abuse | Reply
  48. Tanya

    If your child is vaccinated and can not get these "diseases" anymore, then why should I have to vaccinate my child if I choose not to?

    March 29, 2013 at 21:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Quixoticelixer

      How do you know that your kids will never be exposed to any microbial agent? You've seen and read about the rising cases of pertussis (whooping cough) that have been springing up nationwide. Just because we don't see slapped cheek disease, German measles, measles, mumps, etc. does not mean that they are eradicated.

      March 29, 2013 at 23:13 | Report abuse |
  49. Chris

    Perhaps the increase in autism is due to a combination of the ingredients in vaccines and their interaction with the increasing levels of exposure to wireless (emf) technology. Have you ever seen a graph that compares the growth in autism with the increasing level of exposure to emf levels (from cell towers, wifi, cellphones etc)? There appears to be a direct correlation between the two.

    March 29, 2013 at 21:38 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jacksonian4350

      @Chris, correlation does not equal causation. Period. The vast majority of the increase in autism diagnoses is due to better awareness.

      March 30, 2013 at 04:08 | Report abuse |
    • jon

      Jacksonian4350 if it's awareness then where are all the autistic 50 and 60 year olds? Doctors supposedly just more aware now so why aren't they giving the diagnosis to all age groups equally? I hope you realize your argument could have been used to claim any epidemic wasn't happening "there's no increase in cholera! Doctors are just more aware" ...meanwhile people could be drinking water polluted with poop and if people are ignorant enough they'll believe what you're saying.

      April 1, 2013 at 13:43 | Report abuse |
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