New report compares Obama, Romney health care plans
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has vowed to repeal the Affordable Care Act if elected.
October 2nd, 2012
09:43 AM ET

New report compares Obama, Romney health care plans

President Obama's Affordable Care Act, when fully implemented, will most likely reduce the number of uninsured in every state, age group and income level - a stark contrast to a GOP presidential nominee and Mitt  Romney's plan, according to a new report by The Commonwealth Fund, which compares the ACA to Romney's pledge to repeal the law and replace it with more targeted policies.

According to the report, children and low- and middle-income Americans would be hardest-hit if the ACA were repealed.  The report found that by the year 2022, with the ACA in place, about 27 million Americans would still be uninsured - a reduction of nearly 33 million people.  But with a Romney plan in place, about 72 million will be without coverage, the report projects.  By 2022, according to the organization, an estimated 18 million kids under the age of 19 would be without insurance under Romney's plan compared to about 6 million under Obama's plan.

The Commonwealth Fund, considered a liberal think tank that supports research on health care issues, compared the candidates' health care plans by looking at seven key issues.  They considered whether the plans would increase the number of Americans with health insurance; whether they made insurance more affordable; if consumers were protected; whether consumer choice was improved; whether they helped small businesses; if they improved Medicare; and if they improved quality of care and reduced costs.

"There are stark differences between what each candidate has proposed for our health care system, and this report shines a light on how Americans might be affected, based on their age, their income, and where they live,” said lead report author Sara Collins, vice president for affordable health insurance at the Commonwealth Fund. “The report finds that repealing the Affordable Care Act would significantly increase the number of Americans without health insurance, limiting their ability to get the health care they need and exposing them to burdensome medical bills and debt.”

But according to Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul, the fund's portrayal of Romney's proposals is grossly inaccurate.

"The Commonwealth study sadly contributes little to the health reform conversation that this country deserves," Saul told CNN. "It badly mistakes Governor Romney's proposals. Worse, it assumes a fantasy world where Obamacare has been a success.  Instead, Americans have seen their insurance premiums increase, small businesses are facing massive tax increases and seniors will have reduced access to Medicare services."

The study authors claim people with incomes 250% below the federal poverty level would be among the hardest-hit by Romney's plan to repeal the ACA in favor of private insurance incentives and Medicaid block grants.  These are individuals making $27,925 a year; or $57,625 for families of four.

The ACA would expand Medicaid eligibility which would reduce uninsured rates for those living under 138% of the poverty level - incomes under $15,415 for an individual and $31,809 for a family of four - by nearly 20%. Among these families, an estimated 39 million would be uninsured under the Romney plan, compared to a little over 17 million under the ACA.

The fund's predictions are somber.  Over the next 10 years, 22 states will have uninsured rates of 20-25%. Eleven states will see 25-30% of their population uninsured and in nine states - California, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana; Arkansas, Mississippi, Florida and South Carolina –uninsured rates will soar to 30-38% of the population.

Collins admits that since Romney has not given specifics on some aspects of his plan, they have made a number of assumptions about his proposals to provide federal block grants to states for Medicaid and providing the same tax advantages to people buying their own insurance as those insured by an employer.  She said the assumptions were on the "conservative" side.

Significant differences were found in both candidates' plan for Medicare. Romney's plan would get rid of beneficiaries' free annual wellness exam, eliminate phasing out the prescription drug benefit's donut hole and raise Medicare eligibility age to 67 years old.

The Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation weighed in on the impact of repealing the ACA, saying enacting the bill to repeal would increase the federal budget deficit by $109 billion between 2013-2022.  The CBO website says: "Specifically, we estimate that H.R. 6079 would reduce direct spending by $890 billion and reduce revenues by $1 trillion between 2013 and 2022, thus adding $109 billion to federal budget deficits over that period."

This is the second report to compare the two plans in less than a week.  Last Thursday, Families USA - a national nonprofit group working for affordable, quality health care which supports the president's health care reform law - released a report comparing a state-by-state analysis of "ObamaCare," "RomneyCare" (the Massachusetts health care bill signed into law in 2006 by then Governor Mitt Romney) and "RomenyCandidateCare," the proposals of candidate Romney.  According to their study, in 2016 families buying insurance under RomneyCandidateCare will pay almost twice as much - 92% more - than they would under the ACA.

But Saul has a different take on the ACA. "The simple truth is this: The American people do not want this law, we cannot afford this law, and when Mitt Romney is president he will repeal it and replace it with common-sense, patient-centered reforms that strengthen our health care system."

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  1. Eric

    Hey CNN, Romney will win the popular vote. You can do your best to insure us that he doesn't have a chance, but we are not buying it. I got as far as "The Commonwealth Fund, considered a liberal think tank", and figured I had read enough.

    October 2, 2012 at 10:17 | Report abuse | Reply
    • latino

      I know right ! At least they had the decency to put what the group is.

      October 2, 2012 at 10:24 | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      There are any polls that support your prediction, not even the ones by Faux News.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:10 | Report abuse |
    • Lahdee Dah

      Apparently, when Romney's team assumes a fantasy world where the ACA fails, that's a fact.

      The best predictor of the ACA's potential success may be to look at what it is modeled after: Massachusett's health care reform [which Romney reports as an unqualified success]. Why would the ACA be an epic failure when it is Romney's successful plan, but nationalized?

      October 2, 2012 at 11:52 | Report abuse |
    • jen


      October 2, 2012 at 11:53 | Report abuse |
    • moe

      It doesn't matter who wins the election or what health care plan we end up with, the insurance companies will be on top. You can bet on that. With all the companies closing from out sourcing or even banks going belly up, you haven't heard of one insurance company going broke. Even banks has to buy insurance! They'll keep their profit margin and blame the reason of soring premiums on anything but greed.

      October 2, 2012 at 13:43 | Report abuse |
    • poopyonastickmakesmesick

      @bob the front page of the cnn.com site shows Romney and Obama in a tie. If you read the polling closely, half of those polled are not registered, but "planning to vote". I think the people "planning to vote" are most likely lazy obamaphone users who won't actually register, so that puts Romney well ahead.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:08 | Report abuse |
    • jimm

      So, just because a so-called liberal group did the study, you disregard it? Perhaps you should read it and see if the report is accurate.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:56 | Report abuse |
    • math

      If you think you are smarter than a 'liberal think tank' (or even a 5th grader), the numbers are there.....do your own math!

      October 4, 2012 at 13:27 | Report abuse |
  2. Brian Maple

    Hey Eric, One-hundred bucks says Romney will not win. Further, forty says you are marginally overweight with a rat tail. Warm regards.

    October 2, 2012 at 10:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Eric

      You made me laugh. And from one American to another, I think a sense of humor about all of this is healthy. Laughter would probably be the best health care plan of all!

      October 2, 2012 at 10:33 | Report abuse |
    • ImmaLetYouFinish

      I'm not hearing a no here... 🙂

      October 2, 2012 at 13:50 | Report abuse |
    • Christine

      OH BRIAN...you have us all lumped together, huh? BOY ARE YOU WRONG.

      October 2, 2012 at 21:24 | Report abuse |
  3. mlsexton88

    Reblogged this on Opinion News Blog.

    October 2, 2012 at 10:41 | Report abuse | Reply
  4. TJQ

    Tell me how Obama's health care plan has saved me money..... my employer pays for my premiums, but I have to pay for my wife and son. For their insurance alone it would cost me $1200.00 a month....nearly half of my monthly income. So I went to an independent insurance agent, who put my wife and son on a plan (from the same company!) for $250 a month. In one year, the premiums have gone up from $250 to $572 a month. So yes everyone, tell me how Obama's plan is going to make health care more affordable. I'm tired of paying more money to drink the cool-aid.

    October 2, 2012 at 10:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      Maybe you should wait until the provisions that will affect these costs go into effect before passing judgement.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:07 | Report abuse |
    • ghostriter

      There are several reports that show increases in premiums had little to do with Obamacare. To the tune on 5% of the increase. So if your premiums really did more than double in a year (don't really believe that), then your increase due to Obamacare is $13 a month.

      Now, are you as concerned about why your insurance company raised your premiums the other $260? And did you also receive a check? Because if the company doesn't spend over a certain amount on you, you get a refund.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:31 | Report abuse |
    • Biker Bob

      Perhaps the rebate being sent to everyone this year because the insurance companies did not spend at least 85% of our premiums on actual health care is a start. That has already taken effect and several of the major carriers were found in violation and ordered to rebate their participants. The insurance companies cannot use more than 15% of our premiums on administration costs, CEO salaries and lobbying Congress. I am getting the rebate and I'll bet that next year they won't waste our monies frivolously.

      October 2, 2012 at 12:12 | Report abuse |
    • cmuresan

      My father's insurance policy was $400 and increasing before ACA and during Bush's a+ governance of this country. It is still going up. $439 for a middle-income leveled person is outrageous for a $5000 deductible policy.

      October 2, 2012 at 12:32 | Report abuse |
    • keshalaws

      Actually, you should blame your employer. It's the plan that they've picked that cost you $1200- Obama care will not take into affect until 2014. Find another scapegoat

      October 2, 2012 at 12:55 | Report abuse |
    • Keith A. Sillsbury

      your gettin crewed over by that insurance co. mine with my wife is 115 a month with company kickin in. I got nothing but good things to say about the healthcare act.

      October 2, 2012 at 13:01 | Report abuse |
    • billy davis

      ACA doesn't kick in until 2013 so the rates you are paying and have been paying is strictly the increases by the Insurance companies that the GOP swears will reduce their prices. Hmm, I've been paying healthcare premiums for 30 years and they have only gone up from $0 premium to a $1300 per month premium. Only when I went to work for a Canadian Company using Blue Cross Blue Shield Of Texas have my rates gone down. Now they are $70 per month for myself and my kids. The same Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas policy cost me $1300 per month last year when I worked for an American company.Please tell me how a smaller Canadian Company was able to negotiate a much cheaper rate for the same coverage?

      October 2, 2012 at 14:36 | Report abuse |
    • Fastrack

      A little intelligent thinking would lead you to the proper conclusion: insurance companies, fearing that they won't be able to make the MASSIVE profits they are currently making, are hiking their rates everywhere. It isn't Obamacare that's putting you in the poor-house, it's the insurance companies.

      October 2, 2012 at 15:55 | Report abuse |
  5. linda

    Romney implimented and passed Healthcare for his state when he was govenor......he thought it was the best thing to do (as he said so all people and chlidren of his state could have Healthcare).....but Obama went a step further and said that not only Romneys State of Mass. should have Healthcare but that the other 49 States should have it also......but now Romney wants to repeal what he himself created.....doesn't he care about the rest of the people in this country.....OH that's right he doesn't want the 47% to have it......as he said he doesn't care about us.....the ones he considers dependent on government.....Seniors that are receiving their RIGHTFUL Social Security Checks and Medicare that we have paid into for years, Veterans that are receiving DISABILITY checks and benifits fighting the Republican WARS, those who for the first time in their lives are having to use Food Stamps because they can't find a job because of the debt Bush pushed this country into.....With Romney and Ryan this country will go down so fast in the hole that it will look like a 3rd World Country in less than 2 years.......

    October 2, 2012 at 10:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      Some of the ACA concepts were first proposed by that bleeding-heart liberal pinko, Richard Nixon.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:08 | Report abuse |
    • Biker Bob

      Romney stated last week that he was proud to be the grandfather of the Affordable Care Act, although he also says he will repeal it. Several weeks ago he claimed credit for the success of the auto industry's success after the bailout, although he said let them go bankrupt at the time. Who is this man?

      October 2, 2012 at 12:19 | Report abuse |
    • Frank in Pensacola, FL

      Folks, it should be REALLY clear that the only problem Rmoney or Lyan have w/Obamacare is that they've labelled it w/Obama's name in an attempt to make it "bad". So it has to go, just like he has to go. They ONLY care about getting rid of Obama and getting the dems out of power. They don't give a hoot what's good for the USA. The only thing they've focused on for four years is being an obstructionist, do-nothing opposition party so they can cause things to fail and go bad for the country. Then they depend on the voters having limited information and short memories and stick the President w/the blame.

      As usual, Rmoney and Lyan want it both ways – they want Rmoney to look good for imposing health care requirements on all of Massachussetts when he was governor. But, magically, they'll try some fancy word play to make it seem like the same thing is bad for the entire country.

      Willard "Mitt" Rmoney and Lyan Ryan have but one goal – win back power at all costs. They've already proven they aren't above lying and putting the country dead last.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:03 | Report abuse |
    • Biker Bob

      Bob, you do realize that the bleeding heart Richard M Nixon was a REPUBLICAN, don't you? I understand though because that Republican party had far more compassion than the current party hijacked by the Teabaggers.

      October 3, 2012 at 18:47 | Report abuse |
    • Biker Bob

      My bad Bob, I realize now that your Nixon comment was sarcasm. Cheers,

      October 3, 2012 at 18:54 | Report abuse |
  6. judy

    all polls and reports are untrue according to the republicans unless they favor the repubs or their candidates. Then they are absolutly true fair and honest. Forward 2012.

    October 2, 2012 at 10:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Frank in Pensacola, FL

      While I agree with you in principle (the repugnicans will stop at nothing to steal or lie their way back to the White House), to be fair(er), it's also CNN and the media wanting to attract readers. Any poll that's remotely close is going to be trumpeted by them as a "tie". If Rmoney has been lagging, they'll say he's caught up. Anything to have a headline and sell more ads.

      Also you have to remember that for about 4 years the repugnicans have been getting fringe garbage published soley so they could then reference it and gradually bring a story into the mainstream media so as to distort the truth. Just recently I heard a GOP member on camera stating that people needed to have end of life counselling in order to make sound decisions and that person was complaining because it ought to have been available. Problem was that such counseling was what Palin and the other repugs nicknamed "death panels" in order to have such funding and opportunities removed from health care.

      Same old, same old. If it's the dem's in office, any policy or law passed MUST be bad. So the repugs rename it with a nasty term, slam it repeatedly, and kill the vote for it. Then if it ever comes up when they are in control they can claim it was their idea and take credit for it.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:12 | Report abuse |
  7. Mike

    Romney's people can spin it any way you want but just about every report says the same thing: His plan will cast more for those making less and be more beneficial for those making more. Romney just doesn't get it. Why should the wealthy pay less in taxes? If they do not own a company then how does that benefit the economy? It's stupid and greedy. By the way, greed is a sin.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • jen

      I like your post, reminding the faux Christians that most of their policies are anti-Christ is a good thing.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:56 | Report abuse |
    • Kameron

      Why is everyone so ready and willing to the "wealthy's" money? so as long as you make less than the next guy, you suddenly deserve part of the money that they earned? Its all relative, if someone started taking your money, I don't think you would feel you deserved to have your money taken. Democracy : "It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." -Alexander Tytler(October 15, 1747 – January 5, 1813) All this bickering has no affect on the election anyways, we have all decided our vote. The media is just playing with the figures to increase their ratings.

      October 2, 2012 at 12:06 | Report abuse |
  8. Bob

    The biggest problem with comparing the ACA with "Romneycare" is that the latter is what's known in the IT biz as "vaporware." The Republican criticism is off-base since ACA hasn't fully gone into effect; until it does there can be no valid analysis of how well it did or didn't work. But Romney has already stated that his campaign won't be fettered by facts.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Frank in Pensacola, FL

      It's associated w/Obama so by definition it must be bad according to Rmoney and all the special interest groups he's gotten in bed with over the past year. Doesn't matter if it can't be evaluated yet. Doesn't matter if it's good for the country. It threatens the GOP returning to the White House and therefore it is bad, bad, bad. Why should RMoney or Lyan care? They're covered, and so are their families.

      Cripes, I used to BE a Republican. I defended GWB Sr. and Jr. to my friends. But after the way that party has behaved these past 10+ years I wouldn't vote for them again, ever. Mudslinging is one thing, but they made the decision to throw the country "under a bus" while they worried about getting back in power. They don't deserve my vote.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:19 | Report abuse |
  9. GetEd

    I know TJQ, it's so awful to help other human beings...like for instance when I pay for all the uninsured "proud Republicans" who need hospital care when they get sick. Of course everything in life is about saving YOU money.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:06 | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Larry Pearson-Graves

    The mandate was OK in Massachusetts for Gov. Romney and the mandate will be apply federally. With everyone having to be in the pool, the prices WILL eventually go down becuase of the risk being spread across a wider population of individuals. What the Republicans do not want you to know is that health insurance industry WANTS the mandate just like the car insurance wanted for the auto insurance mandate nationally yeasr ago. They also know the economy will improve once the Jobs Bill is passed and average people start spending again. Mitt Foney is lying and the Republicans are NOT for the 47% or for the middle-class. Don't trust them!

    We (the 99%) will all be out on the streets just surviving. Big Business, defense contractors, and the rich are the only true winners in a Romney / Ryan Adminstration. Seniors, minorities and the middle class will just have to make as best they can with less deductions and greater tax liabilities. And, we are the ones that cannot afford them. Forward 2012 – Obama / Biden for 4 more years. No to trickle-down economics. We do not believe in the trickle down lie any longer...

    October 2, 2012 at 11:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • FrankA

      Isn't "Forward" the motto used by most of the world's communist countries?

      October 2, 2012 at 14:11 | Report abuse |
    • Frank in Pensacola, FL

      FRANKA – didn't take long for you to resort to meaningless name calling, did it? Commie, pinko, tree-hugger, leftist, elite, etc. All the code words the repugnicans dredge out when they don't have an argument and hope that people will vote out of reflex rather than having a thought in their head.

      Funny, isn't it, that you want to associate "forward" with "socialist". How 'bout this one...

      If Obama and the dems are for "Forward" and that's bad, then the repugnicans must be in favor of the country going "Backward"...hardly surprising, really.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:25 | Report abuse |
  11. Andrew


    You realize that most of the major parts of obamacare have still not been implemented right, including most of the cost saving measures? The insurance companies are raising up the prices now before everything kicks in during 2014 (which btw the Republican's demanded, if it was just allowed to start when the bill passed no one would be complaining about it now because they would realize all the good things that obamacare does). Some of the many great things Obamacare does.

    1) Guarantees you coverage – Insurance companies can't deny you coverage because you are a women over 40. They can't deny you coverage because you have cancer or any other pre existing condidtion.

    2) No life time max in coverage – let's say you would born with a kidney condition. In your first 5 years, your insurance pays for all your health care. You get healthy but then you have reached you max coverage. You can now no longer get health insurance for the rest of your life...well until Obamacare. Now there is no such thing.

    3) Children are allowed to stay under their parents plan until they are 26 (both of my younger brothers are loving this one).

    4) Insurance companies HAVE TO pay at least 80% of their revenues towards health care related services (so no company sponsored vacations for insurance CEOs). This year the first year it was implemented, and 1/3 of the people in the country with health insurance got a $127 dollar rebate because of this specific portion alone.

    If you want to repeal the ACA then you are saying that you don't want health insurance to be a guaranteed right, but a privilege. You want insurance companies to be able to spend your premiums on whatever they want. You want insurance companies to be able to discriminate based on your previous health history.

    Wake up Republican's you were lied to by your party into fearing something, that is truly good for this country.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:17 | Report abuse | Reply
    • jdt

      Very true good points andrew. The problem with some are they can't see the whole picture.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:28 | Report abuse |
    • Ken in MD

      Not to mention the fact that the GOP in Congress are trying to block funding for the remaining measures.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:50 | Report abuse |
    • FrankA

      I'm not saying that all of those things are not good. But who is going to pay for it all. You know the insurance companies are not just going to hand all of this coverage out for free. If the government picks up the tab, that's either a tax increase or a trip to the bank of deficit.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:17 | Report abuse |
    • Frank in Pensacola, FL

      Andrew, it was enacted as a major policy change during the Obama administration, and the repugnican party has labelled it "Obamacare". Therefore, by definition and by ideology in the GOP it cannot be good. It must be vilified and demonized, and any lie or distortion, any ommission of fact or shading of the truth about it is fair game in the GOP playbook. In contrast, the changes enacted in MA were done when Willard "Mitt" Rmoney was the governor and therefore must be right and good, by definition and ideology. So those things must be touted and spun to somehow be different.

      It makes NO DIFFERENCE to the GOP whether or nor the ACA is good for the country or the people as a whole. If anything, if it is good for either, that is bad for the GOP and so must be ignored or hidden. The fact that it is good, and on the Dem's watch, makes it worse than bad, and it needs to be dismantled and discarded before it becomes an accepted way of life. Heaven forbid that it should be seen as beneficial – that might mean a second term for Obama!

      The repugnicans are only concerned with winning. Have been for four years. At all costs. Even if they ruin the country, they're arrogant enough to think it won't matter as long as they return to power. All that matters to the GOP is regaining control of the White House. If it means wrecking the country, they'd do it in a heartbeat

      October 2, 2012 at 14:35 | Report abuse |
    • Logic N LA

      a close friend works for the VA as a civilian in Health Services Review. This past weekend he told us the early analysis is clinics, insurance companies and businesses are ahead of pace to implement the needed changes. the reason is the cost savings to them! Insurers will be able to LOWER premiums while making greater profits if everyone is insured. Clinic and doctors will not have to go through the time consuming government forms if their patients have private insurance. and those in the most need have been able to take advantage of reforms allowing them to get insurance 2 years earlier than the mandate in many states. and this is with only a few months since the SPCOTUS said it was legal.
      What is falling behind is education of what is avialable. News broadcasts are not the proper source. Go online to the actual government site for your state to learn what is available now.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:38 | Report abuse |
  12. Open

    Where is the full disclosure? It just so happens that Commonwealth Fund president was a classmate of Michelle Obama at Harvard and were collegues at the U of Chicago Heath Center. And the commonwealth fund sponsors a scholarship at Harvard for minorities. Seems like CNN is hiding the whole story, and the bias in this report.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ed L

      Third paragraph, first sentence: "The Commonwealth Fund, considered a liberal think tank that supports research on health care issues..."

      Does not include the specific details you mention. DOES clearly state the commonly-accepted political affiliation of the group.

      Hardly "hiding bias". CNN has plenty of failings; this specific example is not one of them.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:57 | Report abuse |
    • steve harnack

      Do you also know the names of all of Michelle's other classmates at Harvard? Are all of the companies that they run now suspect in your eyes? It's a good thing that Republicans can't actually "shoot the messenger" because messengers would soon be extinct.

      October 2, 2012 at 12:01 | Report abuse |
    • Biker Bob

      Republicans dealing with loss:
      1) Denial: "Liberal media bias"
      2) Anger: "Socialist Nazis"
      3) Bargaining: "Just look at the economy, you can't still blame Bush"
      4) Depression: "I'll meet you in the afterlife because we're all going to die"
      5) Acceptance: "Okay, you win so we'll block every feasible effort to improve the situation."

      October 2, 2012 at 12:25 | Report abuse |
  13. Ken in MD

    "children and low- and middle-income Americans would be hardest-hit if the ACA were repealed"

    Once again showing that the GOP doesn't care about you unless you have money.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:48 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Biker Bob

      Republicans will protect your rights if you are:
      A woman…No
      A teacher…No
      An Immigrant…No
      A fetus…Yes

      October 2, 2012 at 12:28 | Report abuse |
  14. jim

    Your story quotes; "The report found that by the year 2022, with the ACA in place, about 27 million Americans would still be uninsured – a reduction of nearly 33 million people. But with a Romney plan in place, about 72 million will be without coverage, the report projects."

    Obama plan; 27M still uninsured, 33M new insured = 60M total people either needing insurance or will get insurance.
    Romney plan; 72M still need insurance... what about the delta of the 12M people between the two statements?

    This indicates to me that the "think tank" is using two standards to judge the plans if the base need numbers are different.

    Do you really think you can report this unfounded trash and call it truth?

    October 2, 2012 at 11:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ken in MD

      Not a math major? That means that there's 60 million uninsured today, and Obama's plan would reduce that by 33 million. Romney's plan would cause 12 million MORE people to be uninsured than are today. Pretty simple to understand, really.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:53 | Report abuse |
  15. Kameron

    Alexander Tytler(October 15, 1747 – January 5, 1813) -"Democracy-It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy "

    October 2, 2012 at 12:08 | Report abuse | Reply
  16. Allison

    over generalization brings the point: Democrats want what is "rightfully ours to take" and Republicans "don't want anyone to touch our money". The only argument I can see against this would be the "moral" side of the democrats. However, how can you justify stealing from the "rich" as moral?

    October 2, 2012 at 12:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Biker Bob

      How do you justify stealing from the middle-class. CEO salaries have increased over 500% in the last decades while the working man's salaries have struggled to stay the same. Boost the middle-class and we will create more jobs than either party is capable of through policy.

      October 2, 2012 at 12:35 | Report abuse |
    • Allison

      While not being classified as anywhere near rich, I can not say that a CEO should not recieve any increase in pay or judge that growth rate simply because he/she is what I would call "rich". I can however say that any CEO who ran his/her company into the ground simply to recieve a government hand out and then gives him/herself a pay raise with tax payers money is not only immoral but illegal.

      October 2, 2012 at 12:42 | Report abuse |
    • Stephen

      Allison – I'm not sure why you think asking people to bear the same tax burden regardless of their wealth to be "stealing." Are you saying that you're fine with the rich and powerful manipulating the system – whether by leveraging loopholes or hiding income, or by influencing politicians who rig the rules in their favor – therefore putting more of a burden on those with less ability to bear it? I'm not saying a flat tax system is the answer, but really do you think asking guys like Mitt Romney to pay within their tax bracket is stealing? These are people who have reaped the maximum benefits of all America has to offer, should they not also bear the same responsibility to support the country that provided them with those benefits?

      October 2, 2012 at 13:57 | Report abuse |
    • FrankA

      I agree with you Alliso. I have yet to understand why some people feel the need to punish the rich. What they don't seem to understand is that by the time they pay corporate taxes on top of capital gains, they are paying their fair share. The largest majority of tax is paid by the upper income folks. By the way, I am not one of them. Also, I haven't seen any photos of BO or Queen Michelle barefoot and underfed.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:26 | Report abuse |
  17. TomInRochNY

    But Saul has a different take on the ACA. "The simple truth is this: The American corporations do not want this law, we cannot make money off of this law, and when Mitt Romney is president he will repeal it and replace it with profit-based, company-centered reforms that strengthen our for-profit corporate health care system."

    There I fixed her sentence.

    October 2, 2012 at 12:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris

      Excellent! You are indeed a gifted and insightful editor.

      October 2, 2012 at 16:15 | Report abuse |
  18. Ashley

    Tom, do you work for a profit? Yes, that is a rhetorical question. How can anyone say that one industry should not operate for the same motives as the rest of society? Health care professionals (generally speaking) are bright folks. Why should they not be compensated as such. And why should the US Government have control over how you and your Dr. decide to medically treat your body?

    October 2, 2012 at 12:28 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Biker Bob

      Because they are overpaying their top executives, lobbying congress and generally using our monies for expenses other than health care. This is no different than the "fat" in other departments such as public assistance, education programs, etc. They must be brought under control and health care is a public service just as our utility companies and the like are. As a citizen I have a right to expect my government to control these monopolies from taking advantage of us.

      October 2, 2012 at 12:39 | Report abuse |
    • Pete the wonder dog

      Bob is exactly right. The fat in our healthcare system = insurance companies that add >40% to our costs. Insurance companies lobby hard to maintain the status quo and keep their big, fat salaries – essentially a healthcare tax on hard working Americans that goes to the pockets of suits in the health insurance industries. They are not there to help us, they are there to make themselves rich – over your dead body or not.

      October 2, 2012 at 19:21 | Report abuse |
  19. Ashley

    Taking advantage of patients is one issue that is of valid concern. A government Desk Jockey deciding how my Dr. should treat me and deciding the value of my Dr.'s services is another. And then Taking from someone who makes more than me to pay for my bills and then taking money from me to give to those of lesser income to pay for their bills is not a way in which society can sustain itself. In the end, we all have our opinions that won't change unless we face a dramatic experience different from all previous

    October 2, 2012 at 12:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. Rosaadriana

    Romney has a health care plan?

    October 2, 2012 at 13:03 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. jaimie

    Romney ........ No honesty no integrity

    October 2, 2012 at 13:08 | Report abuse | Reply
  22. jaimie

    Romneyhood .......... Give to the Rich take from the poor

    October 2, 2012 at 13:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • FrankA

      Will you please describe to me how he is going to do this?

      October 2, 2012 at 14:30 | Report abuse |
    • James PDX

      Through taxation. DUH!

      October 2, 2012 at 14:38 | Report abuse |
  23. jaimie

    Romney and Ryan ...... Laurel and Hardy of the 21st century

    October 2, 2012 at 13:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scott

      Obama and Biden + HItler and Mussolini

      October 2, 2012 at 13:21 | Report abuse |
    • Frank in Pensacola, FL

      Wow, Scott. Way to go – nice zinger there. Someone implied your two boys are a couple of clowns (and really, they earned that), and you imply Obama and Biden are genocidal mass murderers. And people say repugnican arguments are fact-free baseless appeals to emotions unconnected with the real argument. You certainly showed them up!

      Of course, if Willard "Mitt" Rmoney and Lyan Ryan really DO intend to gut the ACA, then they'll be responsible for a lot of deaths of children, elderly, and the poor. Guess that might make them a bit more like genocidal mass murderers than the people seeking to ensure health care for Americans.

      But, never let it be said that repugnicans don't have a right to upside down and backward thinking. Guess that's why they hate the slogan "Forward!"

      October 2, 2012 at 14:54 | Report abuse |
  24. McTea Party

    Repeal Obamacare and replace it with NOTHING. The SOCIALISTS are spending us into BANKRUPTCY.

    October 2, 2012 at 13:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • James PDX

      It's amazing that at this juncture you still don't understand how our healthcare systems works, much less the definition of socialism. We already had nothing. With nothing, the cost of treating the uninsured is passed on to the insured through higher premiums. That means you were already paying for their medical care or you were uninsured and I was paying for yours.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:34 | Report abuse |
    • Biker Bob

      James, you are absolutely right. The problem with reverting to nothing is that every time history repeats itself, the price of the lesson goes up.

      October 2, 2012 at 23:56 | Report abuse |
  25. Scott

    Enough said it is a liberal think tank,which means anything Democratic is correct. Just another democratic special intrest group with Zero credibility.

    October 2, 2012 at 13:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • James PDX

      Perhaps it would be a little more accurate if Romney could tell us how his plan will work. It's not like we aren't a few weeks away from election day, so it's understandable that he doesn't actually have a working plan he can share with us yet.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:31 | Report abuse |
    • Biker Bob

      You are in tage1 below Scott:
      The 5 stages of Republicans dealing with loss:
      1) Denial: "Liberal media bias"
      2) Anger: "Socialist Nazis"
      3) Bargaining: "Just look at the economy, you can't still blame Bush"
      4) Depression: "I'll meet you in the afterlife because we're all going to die"
      5) Acceptance: "Okay, you win so we'll block every feasible effort to improve the situation."

      October 3, 2012 at 18:59 | Report abuse |
  26. art

    Maybe after Obama kicks Romney's butt Obama can creat a new post for him like making him the secretary of lies or bull s**t

    October 2, 2012 at 13:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scott

      If Obama is nice he might give Obama a job as a shoeshine boy.

      October 2, 2012 at 13:23 | Report abuse |
    • James PDX

      Mitt doesn't need a shoeshine boy. He'll just get his car elevator operator to shine his shoes. Paco may not have a green card, but he's a whiz at waxing on and waxing off.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:29 | Report abuse |
    • FrankA

      Hitler had a propaganda minister.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:31 | Report abuse |
  27. Saboth

    Romney isn't worried with people that can't afford medical insurance (and at the current rate it is going up, that will be a LARGE number of Americans in the near-future). Romney figures everyone can just get treatment at the Emergency room for free. I don't know how that will pan out for people with problems like cancer, diabetes, etc....I guess the GOP just hopes they'll all die off, since they probably vote Democrat anyhow.

    October 2, 2012 at 13:35 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. cosmicsnoop

    I would like to know about this "repeal" nonsense. How, exactly, will it get repealed. It is law now and upheld by the Supreme Court. I would think Congress would have to vote to repeal it, but that will not ever happen. Laws don't get repealed once made law. Parts of the law are already in effect. Does this mean all the people taken on insurance with pre-existing conditions are now kicked out? That kind of stuff simply won't fly with the people. Is Romney going to just act like a dictator, which the opposition always throws at Obama and just say that this law is no longer? The fact is I, personally, would never vote for a hypocrite who would put the same law into effect and then say that virtually the same law for the rest of us is no good.

    October 2, 2012 at 13:35 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Biker Bob

      Exactly correct Cosmic, Everyone thinks that the President is all powerful and can just write laws at their discretion. We know though through seeing how hard it has been for Obama to get anything done, it takes agreement of congress, the Senate and ultimately the people. Then it usually goes to the Supreme court to validate in our country. So the truth is that Romney is talking to his base and knows full well that he has no power to repeal one iota of the ACA without everyones full cooperation. Cheers,

      October 3, 2012 at 19:05 | Report abuse |
  29. Sly

    Republicans do not believe in Health Care for children – they consider it something that the rich can pay for, and if you dont have the money, tough sh-t.

    Do not vote King Romney into office – those 47% will be eating bread while the Republicans enjoy their 12% tax rates and their cake.

    October 2, 2012 at 13:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Biker Bob

      Republicans will protect your rights if you are:
      The 47%...No
      A woman…No
      A teacher…No
      An Immigrant…No
      A fetus…Yes

      October 3, 2012 at 19:09 | Report abuse |
  30. ug

    Get rid of the ovomitcare it will destroy this country and it isn't any good.

    October 2, 2012 at 14:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • James PDX

      And what would you suggest to replace it? Romney has no ideas, at least none he has chosen to share with us. I'm betting you don't either.

      October 2, 2012 at 14:21 | Report abuse |
    • chill

      Ooooh, what a cogent arguement. You really convinced with 2nd grade name-calling and no facts. Thanks, Ug.

      October 2, 2012 at 16:05 | Report abuse |
  31. James PDX

    "But Saul has a different take on the ACA. "The simple truth is this: The American people do not want this law, we cannot afford this law, and when Mitt Romney is president he will repeal it and replace it with common-sense, patient-centered reforms that strengthen our health care system.""

    And yet a few weeks before the election Romney still cannot tell us the details of how his plan will work. I suppose we should just trust him that he'll eventually figure it out and share it with us in the next 4 years.

    October 2, 2012 at 14:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. FajitaBob

    So according to the CBO, ACA intends to make money for the fed gov (109 billion over the stated period). there has NEVER been a gov program that managed money more effectively than a comparable private plan, so if the gov stands to make 109B, it is going to have to take in more than that from the middle class–prepare to get cornholed again.

    October 2, 2012 at 14:26 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. James PDX

    Everyone keeps claiming that ACA is making their insurance premiums go up. My insurance premiums were skyrocketing before ACA. Since the ACA began to take affect, they still went up, just at a slower rate. Such is the nature of the beast when the beast is an industry predicated on capitalism. Some things should not be for profit, and basic healthcare is one of them.

    October 2, 2012 at 14:26 | Report abuse | Reply
  34. Mack

    But its not his job to worry about those people. As long as the wealthy have coverage then who cares?

    October 2, 2012 at 14:31 | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Mack

    Those people want food, shelter....and Healthcare! They should borrow the money from their parents to pay for it then.

    October 2, 2012 at 14:34 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. James PDX

    In all of my years as an adult, I have never seen a candidate who comes across as caring about the average American less than Mitt Romney does. And I say this having not voted for Obama and not going to vote for Obama. Both are poor candidates, Romney is just the worst of the 2 evils.

    October 2, 2012 at 14:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  37. Jay

    For anyone that opposes a solution that provides healthcare to people, I hope you get cancer and cannot access healthcare.

    Then you'll have the proper perspective of what having healthcare means. Then you'll realize that what distinguishes humans from animals is that there is the ability in our intelligence to produce a common and moral good for all.

    October 2, 2012 at 15:09 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. Mitt Rmoney

    I really don't like the middle and lower class. I shouldn't say that, but I really don't like them. They're lazy and take no resposibility for their lives.

    October 2, 2012 at 15:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. Jennifer

    Congratulations to those of you who read the article and understood it. What is up with the rest of the rants that have nothing to do with the article?

    October 2, 2012 at 20:12 | Report abuse | Reply
  40. Christine

    Don't forget OBAMA supporters that with OBAMAS crap more than 10 Million more (a lot illegals) will be added to the insurance in this country. There will also be less doctors......so medical care will be rationed and there will be waiting. Those that are older will really get the shaft as a younger person will take priority for care. Yes, there will be death panels.....Not a scare tactic here....just the plain facts.....READ the healthcare plan......

    October 2, 2012 at 21:27 | Report abuse | Reply
  41. tomhua

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    October 2, 2012 at 21:58 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. jake

    Why is it greed when you earn to much money and want to keep what you earn but NOT greed when you want to take his money away from him??

    October 3, 2012 at 09:06 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Biker Bob

      We only want to see the rich pay taxes at the same rate as the rest of us. We don't want their money. Consider the fact that Romney's own father George collected welfare assistance when he first came to this country, which enabled him to build the wealth that Mitt believes HE BUILT. The hight of hypocrisy.

      October 3, 2012 at 19:17 | Report abuse |
  43. McTea Party

    Health care should be paid for by each person.



    October 4, 2012 at 12:15 | Report abuse | Reply
  44. Timmy Suckle

    I kissed my way up to VP at a health insurance company. Now I take over $500,000 of your health care dollars for NO VALUE ADDED to your health care. And that’s just me. Now think about how many other VPs, Directors, Managers, etc. are at my company alone. Now multiply that by thousands of others at hundreds of other health insurance companies. From 10 to 25% of your health care dollars go towards administration that adds NO VALUE to your health care. But my company’s PAC dollars will continue to fool you little people into thinking that a single payer system will be bad. Little people like you are so easy to fool. Little people also don’t realize that a single payer system is the ONLY system that would allow little people (as an entire country) to negotiate better health care prices. Little people don’t realize that the Medical Cartels already know that. And that is the reason why the Medical Cartels spend so much PAC money from the hospitals and doctors lobbying against a single payer system. Some little people say that a single payer system would cost you little people more. But if that were true, then wouldn’t the hospitals and doctors WANT that extra money? Yes they would. So why do the Medical Cartels lobby against a single payer system? It’s because the Medical Cartels know it would allow little people to negotiate better health care prices. And that’s what the Medical Cartels are afraid of. Period.
    But us big wigs at insurance companies, hospitals, and pharmacy companies don’t ever need to worry about health care no matter what it costs. We get our health care paid for one way or another by you little people. And we get the little people that work at our companies to contribute to our PACs. And us big wigs say it’s to protect the little peoples’ jobs. But in reality it would be in the little peoples’ best interest to NOT contribute to the PAC. Again, little people are so easy to be fooled. I won’t ever have to worry about losing my job with so many little people being brain washed by the Medical Cartels’ PAC money. Not only that, the Medical Cartels’ PAC money is used to elect so many republicans that will never allow a single payer system. Republicans have always fought against any meaningful health care reform. But that’s what our Medical Cartels’ PACs pay them for. Politicians can be bought so easily.
    Pretty soon the only people that will be able to afford health care is us big wigs. And that’s the way it should be. We don’t want you little people using up the resources when we need them. And once again, I thank you little people for capping my SS tax at the $106,800 level. Now I only pay 1.3% SS tax and you little people pay 6.2%. Also, thank you for extending my tax breaks. I’m using the extra money on my vacation houses.

    October 5, 2012 at 10:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Compassion

      well said...

      October 18, 2012 at 14:34 | Report abuse |
  45. Kathryn van Horn

    wow is all i have to sat

    October 15, 2012 at 16:12 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. jiaobaoyu

    Most other "advanced western countries" have nationwide healthcare. Their people do not have to pay hundreds of dollars each month just to make sure when they are sick, they don't have to rush into emergency room, give out a fake name and address, to have their lives saved. In those countries, a small portion of each resident's income tax is dedected automatically for healthcare expenses. ALL permenent residents and citizens are covered!!!!!

    If a person is so unfortunate that he/she cannot work, he/she can still afford health care. Such country is therefore called an "advanced country".

    I don't mean to be offensive, but Americans can't even have such a healthcare system, and they call their country "the best country in the world"?

    The best country for whom?

    October 17, 2012 at 19:25 | Report abuse | Reply
  47. jiaobaoyu

    A friend of mine had to find a part-time job to start a health insurance plan after he move from another state, he quit this job immediately after worked mininum period of time required by his insurance plan. Another friend asked me if I would pretend to be her employee in her one-man-band business to be eligible for a new health insurance plan, because she changed her job and formal health insurance policy is no longer working.

    I feel so sorry for Americans. Our law make us have to lie – lie for something that everyone should have.

    Most other "advanced western countries" have nationwide healthcare that has nothing to do with their employers. When you have a job, a small portion of your income is automatically deducted. When you're unemployed, you can still see a doctor, stay in a hospital. If you move to another state, show your nationwide healthcare care, you are good to see any doctors, go to any hostipals. If you want a better plan or 5 star care, then you start to choose some private health insurance companies.

    According to study, the reasons why US health care system is so expensive is: 1. Paper work – too many companies, too massy the administration and management costs; 2. In US, health care industry is allowed to make profit!

    October 20, 2012 at 04:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  48. Medicare Delaware

    Romney principles are very good but it will take some time to get good result. Many people oppose Romney because he oppose costly health care plans.

    Medicare Delaware

    November 8, 2012 at 03:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  49. saamantharuthprabhu

    I think the recent Obama health care is making people to rethink about electing the Obama in the next election as many of the employers have lost there insurance plans with the new plan which was announced by the obama health care !


    December 20, 2012 at 01:59 | Report abuse | Reply
  50. Vanessa Elizebeth

    Romney has said he would repeal the health reform law, but still keep some of the law’s more popular provisions in place.


    March 1, 2013 at 07:08 | Report abuse | Reply
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