Measles cases reached 15-year high in 2011
April 19th, 2012
03:30 PM ET

Measles cases reached 15-year high in 2011

Back in 2000 measles was eliminated from the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  But now a  new CDC study tells us there were 17 outbreaks and 222 cases of the highly infectious disease reported in 2011.

An outbreak is defined as three or more cases linked by time or location.  The average age of those infected was 14 and most were infected while traveling abroad.  Seventy patients were hospitalized, but there were no deaths reported.

"Last year many U.S. travelers brought back more than they bargained for," said Dr. Ann Schuchat, director, CDC's Office of Infectious Diseases, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease. "This is the most reported number of cases of the measles in 15 years."

Measles was wiped out in the U.S. for more than a decade, thanks in large part to the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine.  Cases here are sporadic and although the numbers reported seem relatively small, the CDC says vaccination is still key to maintaining elimination in the U.S.

"It's really important for families to know that measles are still a threat," Schuchat said. "In some places it's easy to exempt from a vaccine.  We believe that for many parents a reason to decline a vaccine is they don't think the disease exist, they believe it's gone ... No one wants their child to die from measles in 2012."

Schuchat says although many parents opt out of vaccinations for philosophical, religious or personal beliefs, the vaccine has been studied extensively and is safe and effective.

The measles vaccine is delivered in two doses for children.  The first comes between 12 and 15 months and the second between the ages of 4 and 6.

Two doses are also recommended for college students, health care professionals and international travelers who've never been vaccinated. Adults who have no recognizable immunity should get one dose.  People born before 1957 don't need to be vaccinated. It's widely believed that they either had measles - or were exposed to it.

The CDC recommends anyone older than 6 months who's traveling internationally should get vaccinated.

The agency says this small rise in cases underscores the ongoing risk to those who have not been vaccinated. The disease still exists in many parts of the world - infecting 20 million and killing nearly 200,000 each year and putting Americans at risk of contracting the disease when traveling outside the country, or from those visiting the U.S. while infected with the virus.  Ninety percent of last year's cases were exposed outside the country, the report found.  And nearly 90% of those that got the disease last year were not vaccinated or their vaccination status was not known.

Measles is a respiratory disease caused by the measles virus.  Symptoms included a high fever of 101 degrees or more, body rash that lasts for 3 or more days, runny nose and cough.  The CDC says for every 1,000 children who get the disease one to two of them die. Between 2001 and 2008 there have only been two measles deaths confirmed by the CDC - a 13-year-old boy with and underlying condition, and a 75-year-old international traveler.

This year there have only been 27 cases reported so far.  But Schuchat says that's no reason to let your guard down.

"What would happen if people didn't get vaccinated? We would have thousands and thousands of cases."  With summer coming and people heading overseas for events like the summer Olympics she has this message: "For those of you traveling abroad, bring back memories and not measles."

And you don't have to travel to obscure places to be exposed.  Last year there were more than 37,000 cases of measles in Europe alone, including 27 cases of encephalitis – a serious infection that can lead to brain damage and possible deaths.  Ninety percent of cases reported to in the WHO European region were found in just five countries:  France, Italy, Romania, Spain and Germany.

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  1. William

    Instead of endless blaming of vaccines...do some reading on the use of pitocin (oxytocin) to induce childbirth. There's some good research that links it to the possible trigger for autism.

    April 20, 2012 at 15:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • AJD13

      I was induced with 2 of my three kids using this and no problems. I know other women who had it, quite a few. I know of none that have autism. This is just as bad as fear mongering that it's caused by vaccines.

      April 20, 2012 at 21:08 | Report abuse |
    • Sheila

      I've questioned that myself. Do you have any links ?

      April 21, 2012 at 17:09 | Report abuse |
    • Sally

      The Autism research groups and public advocacy groups need to start informing the parents of Children with Autism that Vaccines are not the cause of the Autism. Celebrities like Jenny McCarthy should be responsible and issue an apology to all those parents who read her books and listened to her rhetoric about Autism being caused by vaccinations. The doctor who did that study has been barred from practicing medicine in the several countries. His results could not be replicated because he did not conduct a valid study.

      April 22, 2012 at 12:56 | Report abuse |
    • peridot2

      I had the maximum doses allowed of pitocin (oxytocin) 3 times and my son has 3 forms of autism. Links and sources, please.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:25 | Report abuse |
  2. mintgreen

    I'm curious... Those that are bashing the non-vaxers, how many of you text while driving? How many use your cell phones while driving? Thousands of innocent people have been killed by idiots that feel they need to type "LOL" or update their facebook status updates while driving. It's proven. Why do you still do it? Is it your choice? Do you feel the world needs to know what you had for lunch? You're putting innocent lives in harms way because of YOUR decision. I'm more concerned about you idiots than the measles outbreak.

    April 20, 2012 at 15:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • sane

      I do not text nor talk on the phone while I drive. And the anti-vax folks are uninformed idiots. AND two wrongs do not make a right and just becasue someone does one thing wrong does not mean their opinion on another misinformed position is necessarily wrong.

      April 20, 2012 at 15:41 | Report abuse |
    • Mike Varney

      Pretty ignorant logic there.

      April 20, 2012 at 19:21 | Report abuse |
    • Mike Varney


      April 20, 2012 at 19:22 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Nope. I don't text or talk while driving. I don't do Facebook or Twitter.

      Nice try. Thanks for playing.

      April 20, 2012 at 21:14 | Report abuse |
    • Joel

      So when you can't defend your position, you have to change the subject? Nice.

      April 20, 2012 at 22:54 | Report abuse |
    • C. Keylard

      Mintgreen: Check out the fact that Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who falsified information regarding the dangers of the MMP inoculations, lost his medical license in England and (last I heard) is hiding out somewhere in Texas. He is also being sued by parents who believed him and whose children were harmed by measles et al. It was a monsterous fraud and the anti-inoculation scam is still growing because people are ignorant. These are children we are talking about and they need the best parental protection available. And, no, I would never text, phone, apply makeup, etc. while driving, all of which has nothing to do with childhood diseases.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:17 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Its called an analogy. That's why you simple-minded, uneducated people who can't understand a concept like this can't understand why vaccines might not be the best thing since sliced bread. You are the masses who are incapable of thinking for themselves.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:18 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Analogy and science aren't the same thing. Just because you can use a completely unrelated variable as "evidence" for an argument does not mean that it is correct. Likewise, you cannot debate the subject of vaccines without referring to science as the basis of your argument.

      April 21, 2012 at 14:41 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      So there, PLZ. Neener, neener.

      April 21, 2012 at 17:08 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      LOL. really? science doesn't equal analogy? wow, thanks for wasting the time to post that, I never said that. Why don't you find some REAL science, not studies manipulated to show desired outcomes. That's all you have and you hang your hat on it like vaccines and pharmaceuticals are un-questioned laws of our universe. People once swore the earth was flat too. Man has a very strong history of assuming they have everything figured out but actually we have barely scratched the surface.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:25 | Report abuse |
    • steve

      And how many of you people who are against texting while driving supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. These wars killed more people than texting while driving. Therefore, by analogy, it is okay to text while driving.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:28 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      More hot gas from PLZ. Quelle surprise.

      Where are YOUR studies, dumb azz? You are full of guff and blather, but you've presented no studies, no facts, no sources. Why is that? Because you can't. The only reputable sources of scientific information undermine your 'argument'.

      April 22, 2012 at 11:00 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Vaccine Safety and Autism
      By Ari Brown, MD, FAAP
      As a pediatrician who talks with families every day in my office, I know parents want to know more about both vaccine safety and about autism. I’m also a mom. Like you, I need accurate information to protect my kids as best as I can.

      It's important that people have an accurate view of vaccines. Most parents of children with autism agree with the scientific evidence and do not believe that vaccines cause autism.

      And, an overwhelming number of healthcare providers worldwide do not believe vaccines and autism are linked. What viewers witnessed on the show was far from the norm.

      Also, most parents in this country support vaccinations. In fact, 99.4% of American children under 3 years of age are vaccinated. Click here for more information from the Centers for Disease Control.

      I base vaccination decisions for my patients and my own children on science, not anecdotes or conspiracy theories. I’m passionate about vaccinations because I watched a child die from chickenpox – a vaccine-preventable illness. I refuse to let another child become a statistic because of hearsay. I’m compassionate towards families whose children have autism, because I have personally walked that road with several patients.

      These are the messages that resonate with me, as a parent and a doctor. I hope they will resonate with you.
      Multiple studies conducted by academic inst itutions worldwide – which are not funded by pharmaceutical companies – have shown that vaccines do not play a role in autism. Click here for the studies. Vaccine safety concerns have not been ignored. In fact, they have been addressed appropriately.

      April 22, 2012 at 11:09 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Your turn, PLZ. Don't bother posting crap from spurious sites like "naturalnews" or "whale". Got anything? Ball's in your court.

      April 22, 2012 at 11:18 | Report abuse |
    • Sally

      The solution to the health risks caused by non – vacinators in the public education system is cyber school. It is Free Appropriate and Public Education. The other studnets and teachers have the right to be protected from your choice to put your child at risk.

      April 22, 2012 at 12:59 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Gee, PLZ, what's the matter? Cat got your tongue?

      April 22, 2012 at 16:07 | Report abuse |
    • peridot2

      Mintgreen, perfect example of insane troll logic. Thanks for sharing.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:26 | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      I'd say "straw man", but you're probably not smart enough to know what it means . . .

      April 23, 2012 at 10:36 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      I have a life and a career, BS. Get out of your mom's basement and off the computer and realize what the real world is like, its not like what you see on TV. Balls on your chin...I'll dumb down the conversation because you bring nothing to the table. A cinder block might give you a run for your money when it comes to logic and intelligence.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:11 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Translation: PLZ has no facts to bring to the discussion.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:17 | Report abuse |
    • joeinvestor

      Whoa, what's with the vitriol?

      I don't own a cell phone and when I drive, I don't drive distracted. The facts in this case are that we could have had measles wiped out if it weren't for misguided celebrities spreading nonsense.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:49 | Report abuse |
    • Bill Rich

      I do blame the non-vaxers. And I don't have a cell phone. Never had. And I don't drink, period. I had a real serious case of measles when I was little, and almost died. But that was before vaccines were found. Measles is a very serious sickness and should be avoided if you can.

      September 12, 2013 at 14:19 | Report abuse |
  3. christine

    If you claim to love your child, WHY wouldn't you get him/her vaccinated? Especially in light of the large numbers of measles cases. You are going to feel much GUILT if your child get the measles (or any of the other vaccinated diseases). There is no proof they cause autism. Don't believe Michelle Bachmann....she is an idiot

    April 20, 2012 at 16:16 | Report abuse | Reply
  4. Kelcy

    I really don`t care if these people do not vaccinate their children anymore. I do care whether children who cannot be vaccinated due to other health issues are exposed to these "by choice" children. I think they should be in separate schools and if they do go overseas that they be quarantined from exposing other "by choice" children for the incubation period of the possible diseases they are exposed to. There parents should be quite willing to do that so as not to expose other children to these diseases.

    I also think that they should sign liability acceptance papers that state they are fully aware that their children could be exposed to and develop these diseases and as such they accept full liability for their decisions. That means that no taxpayer money is spent on hospital care for these children should that become necessary and that they will not get any taxpayer funds should that child be permanently disabled as a result of the disease. They should be liable for other children who have health related issues that make vaccination not possible but develop the disease from exposure to these other children.

    Generally speaking the anti-vaccine folks are within the same group that complains about their tax dollars paying for anything they do not personally support. Therefore, as a taxpayer I should not have to pay for their choices either.

    When these children reach age 18 they too should either get the vaccines or sign the same liability acceptance paperwork that acknowledges they will need to quarantine themselves after overseas trips, pay all costs of hospitalization should they develop the diseases and be fully liable should they end up with any permanent disabilities from them.

    Choices, choices, choices.

    April 20, 2012 at 16:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Redonkulon

      You should care about everyone getting vaccinated. Infants and patients with hampered immune systems are at more and more risk when more people are unvaccinated. Those individuals who aren't vaccinated are protected by the rest who are. Depleting the number of people who are vaccinated reduces the power of the vaccine as a whole.

      Sequestering unvaccinated people away is impossible and also immoral.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:47 | Report abuse |
    • Bill Rich

      You should care about people not getting vaccination, because for a vaccination program to be effective, that is the virus don't spread too quickly to too many people in an outbreak, sufficient fraction (depending on kinds of disease) of the population need to be effective to curb the spread. So not vaccinating not only harms the kid, but every kid around him/her too.

      September 12, 2013 at 14:22 | Report abuse |
  5. AJD13

    Back in my grandmother's day (she was born in 1917), children dying from diseases we now don't even think about due to vaccines was a pretty common thing. She's told me about childhood friends that died. Most other children of her generation also knew at least one (and usually more than one) child that died. I never had a childhood friend die from a disease we now have vaccinations against. My children have not known any either. I think that says a lot right there. Vaccines save lives and prevent the unnecessary suffering of people from these diseases...even if they don't kill you, they can cause lifelong damage. There's a reason that people came up with vaccines against them...because they are horrible things. I think the anti-vax people because they never lived in my grandmother's or her ancestor's day have lost sight of that. They're disconnected from that. I would love to have a time machine I could put them in where they could go back and experience it. I am absolutely sick of these fear mongers with zero medical training claiming things that are not based on any scientific fact or valid study and using pseudoscience to dupe well meaning parents into thinking that they're doing a good thing for their child by not vaccinating them.

    April 20, 2012 at 21:17 | Report abuse | Reply
    • AJD13

      I'd like to add...one of my hobbies related to my interest in history is visiting older cemeteries or cemeteries with older sections and photographing the headstones. I am amazed at the number of children who are buried in these cemeteries that died before vaccinations. I am always saddened by it. I have seen headstones from families where all their children died within days of each other due to an epidemic of something that swept through a town or city. I can't imagine as a parent going through that. Walk through a cemetery with mostly burials since the advent of vaccines and of course there's going to be some children that died in car accidents, from a birth defect and things of that nature, but now where near the number of children as you will find in these older cemeteries. Why? Vaccines. It really is that simple.

      April 20, 2012 at 21:27 | Report abuse |
    • qtowens

      AJD: Let's not forget the state of personal and public hygiene back then. I believe that as the public water and sewers became regulated and monitored and better personal hygiene started to happen, these also helped in the decrease of certain diseases.

      April 21, 2012 at 18:24 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Measles was still prevalent in the 60's. Not exactly the dark ages of water treatment and sewage facilities. Kids still became deaf as a result.

      April 21, 2012 at 19:09 | Report abuse |
    • peridot2

      Yes, Qtowens, such as cholera, diarrhea and other sanitation-related diseases. Diarrhea was a common killer of infants.

      Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox and other childhood diseases have nothing to do with clean water and sewage treatment facilities. Tetanus, now preventable, killed thousands each year prior to the development of the vaccine.

      Puerperal fever, also called childbed fever, was caused by lack of washing hands and carried from one mother to another by doctors who failed to practice good hygiene. My own great-grandmother and her son, my grandfather, suffered from this disease and weren't expected to live. Against all odds they survived it but my grandfather was left with a seizure disorder as a result of the high fevers he suffered and was shamed all his life. He was so very ill the people around him delayed naming him. It was a miracle he survived, He was six months old before they called him anything other than 'son,' so they named him 'Summer Calvin' when he was six months old because they thought he would be unable to answer to anything other than 'Son' all his life. This was in 1910, long after germ theory and cleanly washed hands were known to be beneficial.

      April 23, 2012 at 13:03 | Report abuse |
  6. Joel

    The psychology of conspiracy theories is fascinating. People want to feel special, that they're one of the few who know The Truth, that evidence to the contrary is evidence that the world is out to suppress their special knowledge. The mundane explanation that sometimes bad things happen and often it's luck of the draw with no cause that we'll ever identify makes them insecure and frightened that they're not in control of their world.

    If you want to play the odds, vaccinate your kids. The chances of an adverse reaction, while nonzero, are smaller than the chances of a disease causing permanent damage or death. Also consider the societal duty to preserve herd immunity for the sake of those who can't be vaccinated.

    April 20, 2012 at 21:39 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Quixoticelixer

      It is ridiculous isn't it?!? Lack of knowledge about a certain subject seems like it automatically relates to a "conspiracy." JFK assassination? Conspiracy. Roswell incident? Conspiracy. Big pharma? Conspiracy.

      April 21, 2012 at 14:38 | Report abuse |
  7. ElmerGantry

    OK MintMom

    You stated that there are other methods of controlling diseases like this. OK, TIME TO FISH OR CUT BAIT!

    Tells us,
    1) what these methods are,
    2) where I can find the peer reviewed studies regarding said methods, and
    3) the efficacy of your stated alternative methods.

    Are you going to fish or sit on the dock and cut bait?

    April 20, 2012 at 21:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      Love it. Come on, Minty. Pony up.

      April 20, 2012 at 21:55 | Report abuse |
    • intheknow

      ElmerGantry and I call BS... I can't find MintMom's post.... Did you mean mintgreen? Mintgreen didn't state anything about other methods of controlling diseases. I think mintgreen was just trying to put things in perspective. a couple hundred people getting measles versus the thousands that are killed from distracted driving.

      April 21, 2012 at 08:41 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      For intheknow,

      This is MintMom's post with the claim in question highlighted;

      " Mintmom
      Why is vaccination the ONLY method of protection against disease? You are suggesting that vaccinations be forced upon everybody and that is a foolish mistake. Did you know that there are other methods of protection against disease? Vaccination is not even 100 percent effect, and yet you agressivly support it. "

      April 20, 2012 at 11:29 | Report abuse |

      April 21, 2012 at 08:55 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Funny how MintMom disappeared when asked to substantiate her claims, isn't it?

      The nuts never can stand up to scrutiny.

      April 21, 2012 at 10:04 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      You guys are clueless...its called sanitation and waste management. Bunch of brain-washed mouth-breathers cheer leading for big pharma. You think they care about your well-being and not profits? Open your eyes, simple-minded minions

      April 21, 2012 at 11:13 | Report abuse |
    • teg

      Or maybe mintmom has a life that extends beyond trolling cnn blogs looking to argue.

      April 21, 2012 at 11:57 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Hey, if MintMom is so convinced her solutions to communicable and potentially deadly diseases will save mankind, she'd be here backing up her claims.

      She, and you, are trolls.

      And really, moron, the pharmaceutical industry makes almost no profit on vaccines. Talk about a clueless mouth-breather.

      April 21, 2012 at 16:45 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      Oops sorry I enjoyed my weekend but now I'm back on the debate. Yes other methods as I mentioned for protection against disease. Can we ask ourselves why the immune system only recognizes vaccinations or airborne flu? You do not have to be a "know it all" in biology or chemistry or human anatomy to understand the immune system. Because once you understand good food and nutrition, the immune system WILL, believe or not, respond! For me personally, once I decided not to vaccinate my child, of course I was scared at first however it was therefore, that I looked to other avenues for protection and educated myself. First protection method is breastfeeding, second is raw milk from grass fed cow, third is organic homemade juices from vegetables and fruits, fourth is boycotting sugar and processed food/garbage, fifth is understanding the benefits of essential oils, detoxification the body and simply humidifying the air with purified water with a few added drops of essential oils. Rather than taking up the "free" vaccination, I have instead invested my own money in these other expenditures. Something worth investing interest in is in the use of essential oils, I have purchased a diffuser and many expensive essential oils such as the frankencense and mhyrh which were gifted to baby Jesus. By simpling diffusing frankencense and breathing in its properties, it enters the body through the lungs and changes the chemical behavior of the body. It has been said that this practice cures illnesses, ranging from cancer to depression. With that in mind, what can the good old vaccine say about itself except for being controversially either effective, somewhat effective, not effective, or in worst cases damaging lives and potential lives.

      April 23, 2012 at 06:20 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      You're a troll.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:16 | Report abuse |
    • Well Then

      OMG! All these natural remedies to fight diseases! If that's the case, why did so many children die pre-vac? Weren't they using these methods? Boggles the mind.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:19 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      I only came on here to speak my peace not to insult anybody as you are. The only "troll" around is you. Insulting by the way is indication that your agrument is weak.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:15 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Apparently, it's stronger than yours, nut-case.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:18 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      Really, that's all you got now? You're a petty one aren't you. My solutions work for me, and that's all I can say, but you will not be the reason for why I can't chose what works for me and my family. I only care about myself and my family, we don't care what you do with your body, that's for you to work out on your own.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:28 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Tell that to the parents of an infant one of your little ankle-biters infects.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:31 | Report abuse |
    • MintMom

      Believe me I wish I could tell anyone willing to listen. I'd tell them that the disease did not kill their child, western medicine did it quicker. Any sick child could have survived if the parents only knew that there were more choices and other alternatives.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:32 | Report abuse |
    • peridot2

      Sanitation and waste management does NOT prevent childhood diseases. Once more, insane troll logic and, one suspects, a COMPLETE lack of understanding of disease models, raises its ugly and loony head. Viruses will transmit themselves from child to child as they have done for thousands of years unless the kids are protected with vaccines OR THE DISEASES ARE ERADICATED. PERIOD!

      Or were you trolling? Either way, you're so very wrong.

      April 23, 2012 at 13:07 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      here, my point exactly...this is exactly what I'm talking about!! What we are doing, IS NOT WORKING, we cannot sustain our current approach.

      April 23, 2012 at 16:54 | Report abuse |
    • Redonkulon

      Did I just read that frankinsense and mirh were being used instead of vaccines to protect your child? You do not know how the immune system works. The vaccine is a pre-exposure to molecules on the harmful agents such as those that cause measles, which teaches your immune system to recognize them as foreign if the body is actualy exposed to them. The immunological memory recognizing those molecules is retained for life. WIthout a vaccine the body DOES actually recognize those molecules as foriegn, upon intial exposure, however, the immune system cannot act fast enough in the case of a first contact. There is an inherent lag time between exposure to an insult, recognition, ramp-up of a response and subsequent clearance. All a vaccine does is to reduce that time and help protect you if indeed you are exposed specific harmful bacteria.

      Burning insense is probably just exposing your child to indoor air pollution. The chemical changes you may see are cancer and emphesyma.

      Excuse my spelling as I rant, I care not about speld werds.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:55 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Don't worry about your spelling-Mintmom can't spell her way out of the broom closet at work.

      April 23, 2012 at 19:33 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      I just LOVE that "science talk" about how frankincense and myrrh "change the body's behavior", don't you?

      And the part about "It has been said that...." followed by a bunch of unsubstantiated mumbo-jumbo.

      Truly, comedy gold.

      April 23, 2012 at 19:37 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry


      You really did not answer my questions. All you gave are generalities and general practices.

      You did not give specifics.

      You did not give any references to peer reviewed studies.

      You did not give any data on the efficacy of your generalities to reducing the mortality rate of theses horrible diseases.

      Your posts are less than informative, they are dangerous. If people followed your advice the herd immunity would evaporate and these diseases would return with dire results.

      April 24, 2012 at 07:37 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      If anyone would be so interested in finding alternative methods, you would invest your own time and interest in researching it yourself. I found answers that work for me and my family, they have posed no harm and my child can still remain a child of God this way. I don't know how precious you all think your children are but mine is not to be confused with the rest of masses. Mine deserves this special treatment, she's too good for vaccination and so and I. Vaccinations are for filthy and poor people who live in dirty places who don't have access to good food, healthy living or fresh water.

      April 24, 2012 at 09:11 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Someone should call CPS about you. You're crazy.

      April 24, 2012 at 10:16 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      I'm crazy for believing in God? Crazy for putting my faith in God, rather than mortal man. I'm so sorry that you've never been blessed in your life, or loved to say the least that you have to neglect the Lord and terrorise other's beliefs and values. You are the only troll around here. CPS? that is going to far. You are sick, twisted, toxic and vial. Hope you're happy.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:33 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry


      These are your claims! It is not up to everyone else to verify them. As in legal court, the burden of proof is on the person making the claims!

      Your not providing the pertinent references and especially efficacy statistics tells me you do not have that information.

      BTW: the definition of faith is belief without any evidentiary support. You could have a tribal shaman perform some superstïtious chant with the same efficacy as your faith.



      April 24, 2012 at 21:34 | Report abuse |
  8. ElmerGantry

    Exactly right, I call BS.

    Those who have no viable intellectual and logical argument either disappear or result to name calling and character assassination to deflect the conversation.

    April 21, 2012 at 10:16 | Report abuse | Reply
    • PLZ

      Only argument you have are crooked studies funded by crooked companies and you are too stupid to understand when you are being deceived. You know they took the word 'naive' out of the dictionary?

      April 21, 2012 at 11:21 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      PLZ, your entire rhetoric has been condescending remarks towards other people while simultaneously touting your own "intelligence" about vaccines. Enlighten me, then, on why vaccines don't work. If you are a science-educated expert, and thoroughly read on the subject of immunology and medicine, then please explain. But don't use your anti-vaccine hoax website with all of its newspaper articles and random quotes that hold no water. That's not science. That's propaganda and politics.

      April 21, 2012 at 14:35 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      What argument do YOU have, PLZ? You're just another conspiracy theorist with no facts and little education.

      April 21, 2012 at 16:46 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Yeah its called understanding nature, the human body and doing some real digging to how life exists on this planet. I am condescending because every pro-vaxer assumes their approach should be un-questioned. Don't bring me all these 'studies' (your so-called real science) funded by companies with interests in the outcomes. Don't be so naive that profits don't matter. You don't think pro-vaccination is filled with propaganda and fear? You will never understand my argument because you won't for a second even allow yourself to think in a manner that conflicts with the propaganda and politics you have been surrounded with your whole life (how many other countries allow drug companies to advertise on TV?). Medicine is filled with arrogance. I promise you I am not for one second worried about my health, if you have all the best medicine why are you worried? Its that freedom thing and you think that right should be stripped to make way for forced and mandatory vaccines in the name of quote, unquote good health. Its a joke.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:43 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      I see absolutely nothing in that drivel you call a post, PLZ, that presents ANY evidence or proof of your claims. When are you going to stop far-ting and post something factual with cites from peer-reviewed sources? Get to it, windbag. While you're at it, learn how to use apostrophes, dolt.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:58 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Agree, absolutely nothing you say "holds water" because it is all based on speculation and opinion. There is no conspiracy theory, PLZ, there are no secret, underground meetings held by the world's elite. There is no plot to usurp the resources and money from "those that don't understand it."

      April 22, 2012 at 14:32 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      you two dating? look i didnt capitalize either, how's that make you feel? how bout YAWN, done wasting my time trying to get you to actually 'think' for once. hey make your own decisions, poison yourself all you want and tell yourselves its in the name of health, people who actually understand health get it. its over your head..sorry, your DNA must not allow independent thinking, you are followers

      April 23, 2012 at 11:19 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      More drool. PLZ, you're not great at insults and you certainly haven't presented a single fact. Why are you here?

      April 23, 2012 at 11:21 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Hey, PLZ, what can you tell us about "how the human body works"? And what did you discover after "digging into how life exists on this planet"?

      I can hardly wait.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:28 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      trust me, you wouldn't get it, over your head, see previous posts. i'm confident in the decisions i make towards my health, why aren't you?

      April 23, 2012 at 11:56 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Again PLZ, just because you can "independently think" doesn't make you right. It is quite clear you have no understanding of anything about medicine at all, and use analogy to explain scientific phenomena. Until you can show me scientific evidence supporting your claim that vaccines don't work, don't even comment anymore.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:58 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Obvious troll is obvious. PLZ is some high school kid who couldn't explain mitosis if his life depended on it.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:17 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      PLZ, just for sh!ts and giggles, where'd you get the idea that I'm not confident about my health decisions? I am quite confident about MINE; it's those of dimwits like you that concern me because those decisions affect others.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:19 | Report abuse |
    • ser

      @mintmom....are you for real.....holy cow...We are in A LOT more trouble than expected. This...This is just mind blowing...people actually think like this.....Lord i hope i don't live in your neighborhood....and Thank goodness My children are Vaccinated....people like this are absolutely frighening....

      April 23, 2012 at 12:26 | Report abuse |
    • MintMom

      What is frightening about the fact that trust in the Lord, many don't these days or simply don't know how to trust and trust in the wrong way. I am not religious, I am spiritual. I do not go to church, I haven't been in years, but I know what my heart tells me and the Lord knows what's in my heart and that's all the difference. The Lord says not to pollute the bloodstream and in this instance I suspect vaccines of doing just that. I will not put sick animal in my body or toxins and preservatives in my blood stream. Anyone who suggests that polluting the bloodstream was ever a brilliant idea, is not your friend. And if you do vaccinate, you are potentially ruining your child.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:39 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      oh man...I don't care about medicine! how many times do i have to say that! I care about health...that's the problem, you think medicine means the same as health. if you actually read any of my posts you might get that, but you just say the same thing over and over again....troll, quack, conspiracy...blah blah blah. read for once, oh wait, you probably need a shot or a prescription for that too. somehow I manage and everyone I know who makes proper lifestyle choices (diet and exercise) gets by just fine without shots and pills, is it a fluke? tell me, do I defy the odds. just lucky, what is it?
      shut up and keep deliberately exposing yourself to known toxins and carcinogens and wonder why later in life you have to deal with chronic and neurological disease. you think i don't have 1st hand experience in health care? I just make this stuff up because I'm bored? you won't listen, you won't even consider it for a moment so its pointless. I'm very aware of allopathic healthcare and its potential, its advantages and disadvantages, but have you for once considered there might, there just might be an alternative? NO, to you its right because you have biased studies to cite and there is no other way. If your system worked there wouldn't be people like me questioning it. The US is full of sick, chronically ill (heart disease, diabetes and cancer are the real problem, not measles, mumps and polio anyways) people and its getting worse all the time and its going to be nearly impossible to financially sustain this paradigm (sickness and then treatment). Healthcare costs go up every year, its a burden on everyone (except the people controlling the industry and getting rich off it). But its easier for you to dis-credit any alternative to your way than listen and come with an open mind. Now its time for you and the rest of the herd to ask for studies to back up my outrageous claims.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:41 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Maybe I keep repeating myself because you don't understand the bottom line: Science is the only way to prove that something works or it doesn't work. Yes, alternative treatment is something that should be investigated more in this country (I am an osteopathic medical student, I know all about different types of treatments), but it needs sound studies to show that it actually works. What is the point of giving you St. John's Wort to treat depression if I am unsure if it works and if I know for certain I can give something that I know that works? I know Zoloft works, there have been studies done to show that it is efficacious. That is why there are such things as double-blind studies: to prove that there is a relationship between two different things. That is literally the definition of science. The difference between you and me, PLZ, is that you rely on analogy and sarcasm in order to come up with "solutions" while I use science. Analogy doesn't cure patients in a hospital bed nor does it hold water on the subject of vaccines. Science does.

      April 23, 2012 at 15:25 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      And futhermore, the reason that you catch so much flack from people like me is that the things you say aren't necessarily true. Carcinogens in vaccines? Where's your source? Again, rhetoric and analogy don't have a place when it comes to debating topics such as this. That belongs in the politics section of CNN where it is a free-for-all. Again here's your link showing that MMR vaccine works: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22336803.

      April 23, 2012 at 15:30 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      I'm not worried about catching flack from the crowd, comes with telling people what they don't want to hear. Talk to me when you're in practice and you are actually involved in managing someone's health. Real world is a lot different than school.
      this is straight from the CDC, so you're telling me Formaldehyde, Aluminum, Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and Thimerosal have never been linked to any adverse reactions in the human body? C'mon kid, who are you kidding, that's what I been saying, think outside the box for once, just for a second, digest it and say maybe...maybe, thats all I'm asking.
      Everyone in this country is well aware of Western medicine (including myself), we're born into it but hardly anyone has ever considered there might be another approach to health. And sadly most people won't even allow their brain to consider it. Its easy to say conspiracy theorist (which I'm not one), but its naive to think deception has never occurred in government and policy making in the name of greed. Its like saying greed and deception didn't contribute to the financial collapse...healthcare industry isn't immune(no pun) to those traits either.

      April 23, 2012 at 16:27 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      And furthermore, health and the human body isn't cut and dried..its not all figured out. Its not your way or no way. There's alot to still be discovered. That's a contributing factor to this disconnect, arrogance and tunnel-vision. You are taught allopathic approach to healthcare is written in stone and you hate to be questioned. If Western Medicine had it all figured out wouldn't you have cures for all our diseases...cancer, heart disease, diabetes...If your approach was water-tight and left no room for question then we wouldn't be having this discussion. I'm not trying to challenge people's belief system because I have nothing better to do, its because our current system has MANY flaws. Its not your science I'm challenging, its your belief system but I guess that's like talking to a Muslim about Christianity.

      April 23, 2012 at 16:40 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Here's a study performed that shows there is NO link between adjuvants/ingredients in vaccines to new cases of cancer: http://www.pediatricsdigest.mobi/content/112/6/1394.full. Click on the link on the side of the page for the full study. I completely agree with you that there is a very fine line that separates someone from exclaiming "conspiracy" from outright deception. The Andrew Wakefield study with MMR vaccine showing a link to autism is an example. The whole point of my little "science is everything" rant was that the reason we were able to bash the Wakefield study was by using science to disprove it. And yes, I agree there are lots of "pseudoscience" out there that amounts to a bunch of crap (HcG diet, Himalyan salt stones, about any commercial on TV about natural enhancements, I think there was one on there for naturally relieving your enlarged prostate gland). I don't believe in any of that crap because there is nothing to back it up. When I become a practicing physician, I am not going to prescribe or recommend you something that I know is not backed with hard scientific evidence. Does that mean whatever I choose is free of any risks? Absolutely not. Any single medication, food, or foreign substance you put in your body has the capacity cause an adverse reaction. Contrary to what mainstream media may seem, I actually did go into medicine to help people. It is such a seemingly cliche and mundane to say, but I know of no other way to say that my love for science and helping people was my primary means of pursuing medicine. So how do we know what is right and what is wrong? We perform experiments, we read data, we read textbooks, we consort with other experts etc. That is why I know vaccines are effective, is because all sources I have seen suggest that: 1) There is no link to autism 2) The benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. Does that mean I think vaccines are God's flawless gift to humanity? No, they have risks associated. They can cause rashes, fevers, headaches, etc. depending on the individual. Conferred immunity is not 100%.

      April 23, 2012 at 16:54 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      I know you can find many studies to support your argument...you are mainstream, I know that. If you didn't have these studies you wouldn't be 'mainstream'. There are studies out there and research that supports my argument, I don't claim to be the genesis of these ideas. But they would just be quickly dismissed and mocked by your industry but my logic doesn't allow me to ignore them. But you can't take every study for face value, you don't think opinions, agenda's and subjective interpretation can affect these outcomes? If they taught you the sky was green in school (with a study performed of course) you would argue about that too (that's a joke).
      I don't doubt your motives about getting into healthcare, I feel the same way.(I have a B.S. and Doctorate degree) I apologize for any rude comments, its just hard sometimes not lowering myself to the level of others when I read such ridiculous claims. Just please consider that there are alternatives to mainstream medicine when you are practicing, its a different paradigm but it works. Prevention and Wellness over Sickness and Treatment. It focuses on proactive behaviors vs reactive which is a hard idea to get across because after years and years of neglect drugs and surgery are your only option. And I'm not talking about loading up on herbal remedies and tons of vitamins, just responsible lifestyle choices, exercise and diet goes a LONG way.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:20 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      YOU HAVEN'T CITED ANY STUDIES, you fraud. There AREN'T ANY that warrant serious consideration that support your views, PLZ, and you can't even bring yourself to cite them because you already know that they're complete garbage.

      Your simple-minded repet ition of "you just don't get it cuz you're mainstream" is a sorry excuse for your lack of knowledge and intelligence. You and MIntmom are both unable to provide ANY evidence that your views are even close to rational.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:32 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Why is it so unsurprising that Mintmom is a believer in some non-existent sky-fairy?

      What a complete fuckwit.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:38 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      YAWN. you are a waste and not worth having a discussion with.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:48 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Thank you for finally admitting that you have no argument, no facts, and no brain.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:50 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      and right on cue, the other degenerate surfaces, someone just let you off your leash? comedy

      April 23, 2012 at 19:08 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      And right on cue, the nincompoop posts nothing in the way of studies, peer-reviewed journals, or anything else that wasn't concocted by some woo-woo crazy in a teepee.

      April 23, 2012 at 19:32 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      its sad, you don't realize no one takes you seriously...

      April 23, 2012 at 19:47 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Do tell. However WILL I recover??? I am bereft. No one takes me seriously. It MUST be true if PLZ said so; after all, he's proven himself a most reliable source of facts. Woe is me. Boo hoo, boo hoo. How many people do you know who are reading these posts?

      April 23, 2012 at 19:50 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      Kandy Kane and BS need to be careful or they could be confused with being affilliated with the pharmecutical industry. Biased CNN posts these baised articles in a payoff with the pharmecutical industry as vaccine propaganda, and louts like kandy kane and BS hired by the pharmecutical industry come on this thing in any pathetic effort to debunk any opinion against the practice. Kandy Kane and BS must be this controlled societies product of public education, they obey authority, they worship Obama, they don't believe in God, they don't believe in freedom, they don't know how to be democratic citizens and they don't know how to think for themselves. They do not hear the warning of others, they are ignorant, blind and pety. They do not recognize the 21st century type halocaust that we have today because they are not educated. Kandy Kane and BS maybe you're so smart that you can spell correctly but you lack the ability to think or to argue properly. Neither of you have stated your stance in this debate, you have only terrorized those who cared enough to share their opinion with you. How low can you get.

      April 24, 2012 at 09:33 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      I should be careful? You're bona fide insane, lady, and your kids have a wackbasket for a mother. I feel sorry for them.

      April 24, 2012 at 10:18 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      Wow more insults? I should have known. Why is your argument so weak? Don't you know how to build your argument? Surely you went to college? Why personal attacks? You have made a disgrace of yourself, completely. Hello, I came I said my peace, I'm getting on with life. Going to visit real news at RT news. And I"m voting for RON PAUL this year.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:22 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      I'll bet you are. Whoopee. What does any of that have to do with the price of eggs in China?

      April 24, 2012 at 21:13 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry


      PLZ states,

      ".... http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
      this is straight from the CDC, so you're telling me Formaldehyde, Aluminum, Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and Thimerosal have never been linked to any adverse reactions in the human body? C'mon kid, who are you kidding, that's what I been saying,.... "

      This article is NOT about Formaldehyde (an embalming fluid), Aluminum (a metal), and MSG (an appeïte stimulant). The chemistry and biological reactions to these materials are worlds apart from bacterial and viral disease mechanisms and yet you use these as analogies for the biological reactions to measles, chicken pox, etc!

      Your lack of education is glaringly obvious

      April 24, 2012 at 22:04 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry


      Only argument you have are crooked studies funded by crooked companies and you are too stupid to understand when you are being deceived. You know they took the word 'naive' out of the dictionary?

      Innuendo, name calling, character ässässination, misdirection, etc.


      April 21, 2012 at 11:21 | Report abuse |

      April 24, 2012 at 22:12 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Isn't this about vaccines? See you only want to use 'science' when you can manipulate it to show your desired outcomes. Ingredients in vaccines shouldn't be considered? Such a joke, one substance that is proven to cause adverse affects with exposure but it won't cause any problems when injected because your 'intentions' are to heal? How insulting, such a ridiculous argument, its that logic why the US is full of sick people. It's criminal and that thought process is to blame for countless deaths.
      Why don't you list the THOUSANDS of people that die every year from drug reactions, nah panic, hysteria and fear-mongoring work better to control the masses. 140 deaths in 20 years? How about how many iatrogenic deaths there are a year...over 700,000 people die per year from 'doing what they are told' by the medical community.
      You do NOT understand health. Its clear, keep searching for cures when we need to be identifying causes. Its your crusty, old, out-dated thought process that has the US in a brutal state of health. Wake up.
      Please post another study of 'science' you find, amuse me...Do you realize we make new discoveries everyday, do you realize once thought 'facts' are overturned every day. Do you know we operate off 'theories' in many instances. You think humankind has it all figured out now because you live in this era, its silly. Procedures/policies regarding protocol are constantly updated, evolution hasn't stopped because you have no foresight. In 20 or 30 years civilization will be doing things a lot different then we are now because new research and discoveries will warrant it. Try gaining a little perspective.

      April 25, 2012 at 14:28 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      And more blather without any facts at all from PLZ.

      The preservatives and adjuvants in vaccines are there in such minuscule amounts that they do NOT pose a danger to those who get vaccinated. Prove otherwise, or shut up. You've gone on and on about how nobody "understands" health but it's obvious that you're the pot calling the kettle black.

      April 25, 2012 at 20:06 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      PLZ spews: Ingredients in vaccines shouldn't be considered? Such a joke, one substance that is proven to cause adverse affects with exposure but it won't cause any problems when injected because your 'intentions' are to heal?

      Intent has nothing to do with anything, you moron. Dosage does. Look it up and prove that the levels of the additives in vaccines are present in levels shown to be harmful.

      Go ahead. It'll be the first time you've posted a single fact, PLZ.

      Really, give up, you ignorant ninny. You don't have the first clue as to science, health, medicine, facts, or much else.

      You're truly a dimwit beyond compare.

      April 26, 2012 at 21:16 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      $1.6 BILLION settlement...
      Here's your moral and ethical drug companies you put so much trust and faith in...Uh, Uh..where's your studies, where's your studies...how about a federal court ruling, U.S. Dept of Justice...Don't get mad at me because you're brain-washed and can't think on your own.

      May 7, 2012 at 18:05 | Report abuse |
  9. Mr

    Next time there is an outbreak the individual who caused the outbreak because of lack of vaccination should have to pay the bill for the public health impact. If you do not vaccinate you should be responsible for paying the cost. Just in case losing your kid is not cost enough for you idiots that don't vaccinate.

    April 21, 2012 at 11:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • MintMom

      I won't be responsible for the fact that you thought you could eat processed garbage and not get sick. Let me guess, you drink, you smoke, you eat mcdonalds, candy and what not. I will not pay for someone who has a poor lifestyle. Get out of your wellfare mindstate and quick relying on the government for all of your problems. I take care of myself, I don't need healthcare, western medicine does not offer anything I'm interested in.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:43 | Report abuse |
    • MintMom

      if there is an outbreak, what are you worried about, if you got vaccinated? But don't worry if you do die, it was the illness it was western medicine that killed you quicker.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:45 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      as long as people get their shots and pills, they can be as fat and lazy as they want, not be held accountable and point fingers and try to force mandates that everyone has to conform with their ideologies. they can't take care of themselves but they think they should have the right to project their opinions on others.

      April 23, 2012 at 13:16 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Mintmom, this post alone discredits you completely. The only thing you ever did in pharma was push a broom. Anyone with even a little understanding of vaccines would know that they don't prevent all people from getting diseases. Furthermore, you dolt, there are many people who CANNOT be vaccinated because of underlying health conditions and your kind are responsible for exposing them to infection because of you stupidity.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:07 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      Please tell us who you are, some kind of over confident Med student or doctor? Funny, Nazi's thought they were supreme too! You are apart of the problem, not the solution! Unless you have any constructive criticism, I suggest you not participate because you wasting everyone's time and energy who actually care enough to spread constructive ideas. You are completely stuck to this vaccination solution when you've said it yourself, "Vaccines do not prevent ALL infections; they lessen the chances you'll contract the disease or decrease the severity of the disease if you DO get it." SO tell us all why now, anybody should be interested in injecting their bodies with lethal "hopes and possiblities." Or better yet, tell us how you feel about detoxification. Once a person is injected, they follow in treatments of ridding the body of heavy metals, such as clay baths, drinking lemon water, fasting, and spirulina. Is it okay with you that people force these vaccinations out of their bodies, or does that lessen their effectiveness? Surely you are the "know it all" who can answer?

      April 24, 2012 at 10:37 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      What special kind of crazy are you, lady?

      April 24, 2012 at 10:39 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      I mean, have you been diagnosed? Borderline personality disorder? Schizophrenia?

      If you had a clue, you'd know that the "ingredients" you are asking about are not even close to being harmful in the minuscule amounts found in vaccines. Your silly attempt to sidetrack the conversation into a completely unrelated topic as if it had anything to do with vaccines.

      Do you often have trouble following a conversation?

      I am not, nor have I ever been, employed in pharmaceuticals or in the medical field. So much for your ridiculous accusations. Go ahead and use the Nazi one again. That was pretty amusing.

      April 24, 2012 at 10:48 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      And again, dear, your post discredits you as having even the most superficial understanding of vaccine. How would one "force a vaccine" out of his/her body with "clay baths"? The vaccine triggers a mild immune system reaction. You can't "force" it out of your body. According to you, people routinely undergo "detoxification" after vaccination. Produce statistics that show this is a common practice.

      You have yet to post a single fact that you can back up with cites.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:00 | Report abuse |
  10. eroteme

    This is important information but before I decide how much merit is herein, I would like to hear Ed Schulltz opinion, he is expert on most if not all matters.

    April 21, 2012 at 11:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  11. Alan

    Kids need vaccinations and boosters. In 1984 my high school biology teacher said that people were no longer getting the smalpox vaccination because it was all over the news that it had been eradicated. He called ballshed, because if smallpox occurred naturally thousands of years ago, it can easily re-occur, and in 30 years there could be a smallpox epidemic that will kill half the people on earth. Hmm..

    April 21, 2012 at 11:08 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. DW

    A whole 212 cases in the entire US, no deaths! How many children injured by shots? We don't get the real numbers for this do we? Even one would be worse than the Measles!!!! Play all you want with the stats, vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases. Worried about a couple thousand dollars for an outbreak what about the billions made off faulty vaccines.

    April 21, 2012 at 11:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Krista

    They fail to inform us that out of the 17 infected who were over the age of 14, were they not vaccinated? Hmmmm? It has been proven the vaccination dosent work, and actually spreads dease.

    April 21, 2012 at 12:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      Bunkum. Vaccinations have saved millions of lives. They work. You're stupid.

      April 21, 2012 at 16:47 | Report abuse |
    • NJBob

      Where did you get that bit of misinformation? Your church?

      April 21, 2012 at 21:06 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Krista, aka Einstein, what is 'dease'? Does it have something to do with the inability to spell two-syllable words?

      April 21, 2012 at 21:22 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      Either church or the self proclaimed "all-knowing all-caring" El Rushbo on his Execellence In Buffoonery (EIB) network

      April 24, 2012 at 22:17 | Report abuse |
  14. iphygirl

    people who do not vaccinate are parasites and a PUBLIC HEALTH RISK!!! Educate yourselves. The rise in measels is due to incompetent individuals who condone such choices.

    April 21, 2012 at 13:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DW

      blah, blah blah!!

      April 21, 2012 at 15:19 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry


      You comment is, oh to say this. So intelligent, so logical, so well thought out, so devastating. NOT

      April 24, 2012 at 22:26 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry


      You comment is, oh to say this. So intelligent, so logical, so well thought out, so devastating. NOT!

      April 24, 2012 at 22:31 | Report abuse |
  15. pikcha

    They didn't report how many of those who contracted the disease have been vaccinated.

    April 21, 2012 at 14:37 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ruemorgue

      my guess ... very few who *caught* the measles were vaccinated ...

      April 21, 2012 at 18:27 | Report abuse |
  16. larry5

    Thanks to illegal immigration we can expect the return of many diseases that were at one time eradicated. The raising numbers don't appear to get much press. I guess what the little people (citizens) don't know can't hurt them.

    April 21, 2012 at 16:19 | Report abuse | Reply
  17. Sheila

    The article notes no research to determine what strain of measles were in the oubreak. I remember a number of years ago, there was an outbreak and it was caused by the lab created measles used in vaccines, not the wild measles. When you vaccinate your children they are contagious to others for a couple of weeks so keep them home...and please don't take them to Walmart etc, where you expose the rest of us to your vaccine created measles epidemics. Same thing with the flu vaccine. am fine until they give the flu vaccine and someone gets around me right after having the vaccine.

    April 21, 2012 at 17:12 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      You can't catch the flu from being around someone who's just had the flu vaccine simply because of the vaccine. You could only catch it if that person already HAS the flu.

      April 21, 2012 at 18:21 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      It isn't possible for a flu shot to give someone the flu. The shot is made from inactive ("dead") virus particles that can not cause infection. They just provide the "pattern" of that particular virus strain to cause your immune system to react by making the right antibodies that will "kill" the same strain (pattern) of flu if a "live" particle ever does enter your body.

      It is unlikely, but possible, for the flu vaccine that is given in a nasal spray to cause the flu in someone who has a very weak or compromised immune system, such as due to HIV/AIDS, or chemotherapy, for example. The vaccine for use with the nasal administration is made from active virus particles that have been weakened so they won't be strong enough to cause infections, except in extremely rare situations in a specific demographic group.

      However, people in close association and physical contact with the person who got the nasal spray vaccine could also, theoretically, get the flu from exposure to that "live" virus in the nasal spray, so precautions are recommended for those people with poorly functioning immune systems to avoid close contact with someone who has just had the nasal vaccine (they should only use flu shots and are not supposed to take the nasal type of vaccinations themselves either).

      When you get a flu shot, it can take your body two weeks before you develop full immunity. If you were around someone who had the flu after getting a flu shot, they probably either had a different strain of flu than was included in the vaccine; or they were already infected immediately before getting the shot, but had not yet shown the symptoms; or they caught the virus between the time they got the shot and when their body had developed the full immunity.

      If any of the last three scenarios occurred, then you would be able to catch that flu from them.

      April 21, 2012 at 19:14 | Report abuse |
  18. ruemorgue

    what a surprise when you have liars claiming autism is caused by vaccinations and other "holistic medicine" dullards selling their lies to a gullible american public! c'mon! think!

    April 21, 2012 at 18:25 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. SixDegrees

    All this, due to people valuing the opinion of a second-tier pole dancer over those of actual researchers and scientists.

    April 22, 2012 at 06:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      PLZ is a second-tier pole dancer??? Wow. I had no idea.

      April 22, 2012 at 11:01 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Nah. A second-tier pole dancer has more brains and education than PLZ and Mintmom together. What a pair of wackaloons. Neither one of them is operating with a full deck. PLZ doesn't have the first clue what vaccines do or anything about the amounts of the ingredients in them and whether said amounts are harmful. Minty is a born-again fundy. Neither one of them has the brains god gave a goose.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:16 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      Thanks KandyKane for telling it as it is. MintMom, PLZ, et al are good examples of the phrase, there none so blind as those who are willingly blind!

      April 25, 2012 at 07:33 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      Darn, should be ...there are none...

      April 25, 2012 at 07:35 | Report abuse |
  20. Sam

    Where's polio now? Or is this just a big pharma conspiracy?

    April 22, 2012 at 11:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • PLZ

      the same place as your logic...absent.
      Where's the Black Plague? Somehow western medicine will try to take credit for eliminating that too.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:35 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane


      Bubonic plague; Pneumonic plague; Septicemic plague
      Last reviewed: June 9, 2011.

      Plague is a severe and potentially deadly bacterial infection.

      Causes, incidence, and risk factors

      Plague is caused by the bacteria Yersinia pestis. Rodents, such as rats, carry the disease. It is spread by their fleas.

      People can get the plague when they are bitten by a flea that carries the plague bacteria from an infected rodent. In rare cases, you may get the disease when handling an infected animal.

      A plague lung infection called pneumonic plague can spread from human to human. When someone with pneumonic plague coughs, tiny droplets carrying the bacteria move through the air. Anyone who breathes in these particles may catch the disease. An epidemic may be started this way.

      In the Middle Ages in Europe, massive plague epidemics killed millions of people. Plague can still be found in Africa, Asia, and South America.

      Today, plague is rare in the United States, but it has been known to occur in parts of California, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico.

      There three most common forms of plague are:

      Bubonic plague - an infection of the lymph nodes

      Pneumonic plague - an infection of the lungs

      Septicemic plague - an infection of the blood

      The time between being infected and developing symptoms is typically 2 to 7 days, but may be as short as 1 day for pneumonic plague.

      Risk factors for plague include a recent flea bite and exposure to rodents, especially rabbits, squirrels, or prairie dogs, or scratches or bites from infected domestic cats.

      Think again, oh, brilliant scholar.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:38 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      Bubonic plague is causes by a bacterium, PLZ. Vaccines are used to help prevent diseases caused by a VIRUS.

      I guess your 'digging into how life exists on this planet' didn't bring you much understanding of anything.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:41 | Report abuse |
  21. Tired of I Call BS

    I Call BS... Please quit hitting the refresh button every 30 seconds and get a life.

    April 22, 2012 at 13:24 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      Hmmm. Look up "irony" in the dictionary, sweetie.

      April 22, 2012 at 13:29 | Report abuse |
  22. Educated Parent

    No vaccine is 100% safe or effective. No vaccines have ever been tested on children for safety. All the major pharma companies were going to stop making vaccines in the 1980's because they lost numerous lawsuits to vaccine injured children,costing them billions of dollars.They asked the federal government to pass a law stating that an American citizen cannot sue a pharma company for vaccine injury. Of course senators and congressman were happy to oblige since a large portion of contributions comes from Big Pharma. Now it is illegal to sue them and we have a federal Vaccine Court that is not open to everyone, you must apply to the court, at great personal expense.This court has paid millions to families of vaccine injured children, paid for you, the taxpayer, while the vaccine industry made a net profit of 21.5 billion last year alone.This issue has become so politicized it is hard or the average person to find the truth. We are not just talking about Autism, but many types of injury that can and do happen to children everyday.dont believe what the mainstream media tells you-they are owned by Big Pharma, cant you tell by the commercials? And everyone should know better than believe what the federal government tells you! See the movie "The Greater Good" before you vaccinate your child or yourself! Or you can learn the hard way like I did and raise a vaccine damaged child.

    April 22, 2012 at 13:53 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      If you think a movie promoted by the quack Mercola is a source of good information, you're daft. I'm sorry for your child's vaccine-related injury, but injuries due to vaccines occur just as do injuries of all kinds-life isn't 100% safe.

      April 22, 2012 at 14:11 | Report abuse |
    • Landru

      The number of untruths in this post is staggering. The first sentence manages to be true; after that, not so much. It is a falsehood that "no vaccines have ever been tested on children for safety." The bits about a Big Pharma conspiracy are just that–conspiracy-mongering, and it is untrue that the Vaccine Court isn't open to anyone. The Vaccine Court also awards legal expenses for successful claims, and uses a lower standard of evidence that most U.S. courts, including the U.S. Court of Claims, of which it is a part.

      "The Greater Good" is propaganda–concerted lies and misinformation.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:29 | Report abuse |
    • Mintgreen

      I've worked in the pharma industry for over 14 years and I can say with the utmost confidence that pharma and washington (and the media while we're at it) make great bedfellows. I was involved in a deposition where the product was deemed safe, yet there were rumblings from the very beginning that there were problems with the product (releasing more active ingredient than stated). We told everyone that we would never put anyone in danger because we prided ourselves on our ethics... Turned out the company had the data all along that did show the drug was releasing more active ingredient than we were marketing. Completely changed my view on how big pharma works. It's truly for profit. When we were under fire for this product we told our reps to push it even more, as if to gain as much profit as possible before the product crashed and burn. So when people question the integrity of these studies (and the studies that claim how safe the MMR vaccine is are ALL pharma funded, imagine that), I don't think their off base.

      April 23, 2012 at 11:55 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      And none of your posts has a thing to do with vaccines, Mint. You can claim to be anything you want on the internet, dear.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:16 | Report abuse |
    • Mintgreen

      KandyKane (wasn't there pole dancer talk earlier???) I don't care to try to prove anything to you people who clearly do not have open minds. It seems all you guys want to do is say, PROVE IT! PROVE IT!, WHERE"S YOUR SOURCE??" . I'm not even hearing anything remotely intelligent from you or the others who are just degrading others for sharing their point of view. I was just stating my experience in pharma and how I've seen the industry work. Im still in it, even though I don't agree with everything they do... They call it the golden handcuffs for a reason.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:32 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      Here's your proof that MMR vaccine works: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22336803. And here is your proof that it is NOT linked to autism: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11581466. @MintMom, I am not going to try to cut you down, but please reconsider your stance on vaccinations. If anything at all, please ask questions of your healthcare provider. They are the experts on this matter. All I know is, I have personally studied immunology and microbiology over numerous years, and I can attest that vaccinations are beneficial. They do have side effects like any other medication in existence. But they were created to help reduce the risk of mortality due to preventable diseases.

      April 23, 2012 at 15:05 | Report abuse |
    • Mintgreen

      Quixoticelixer... Those are abstracts, not actual studies. They looked at several studies and extracted the data. But fine, if you want to go there, look at the Author's Conclusion: The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate. The evidence of adverse events following immunisation with the MMR vaccine cannot be separated from its role in preventing the target diseases.

      Do you see why parents struggle with this particular vaccine?

      April 23, 2012 at 15:21 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      An abstract is the first part of the structure of a research publication. Most websites require that you register through them in order to view the entire study (or if you on a university computer they usually give you access automatically). I never said that there wouldn't be any adverse reactions to the vaccines. Every individual is susceptible to a rash or self-limiting fever that goes away. The point is that there is no link between MMR and autism: http://www.bmj.com/content/322/7284/460.short. The other paper that I put up there that you read cited the efficacy of the vaccine (i.e. proving that it actually worked). This whole anti-vaccine campaign was fueled by Andrew Wakefield's false data. That is why we do science, to continually check and recheck results. That is the whole point of experimentation. Here's a link showing a very detailed study on the flaws of Wakefield's studies: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physician-resources/public-health/vaccination-resources/pediatric-vaccination/relationship-between-mmr.page. Bottom line is that measles is a preventable disease that can cause different complications, especially for newborns: encephalitis, blindness, even increased miscarriage risk for pregnant mothers: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/. The benefits of receiving the MMR vaccine far outweight the potential (deadly) risk of a young child contracting the disease.

      April 23, 2012 at 15:53 | Report abuse |
    • Mintgreen

      Quixoticelixer – The study (Fombonne) that looks at no connection between Autism and the MMR vaccine only only looked at epidemiologic data in 96 children (that were already diagnosed with a developmental disorder) and compared to two previous small samples (one with only 98 children and the other with 68 subjects). I'm sure you would agree that is hardly enough participants/let alone study design to give a blanket statement that the product is safe. We need to see randomnized, double blind, placebo controlled trials with thousands of children. I'm sure others will say that is not ethical and they're probably right, but it's the gold standard. Another option would be lets looks at vaccinated vs not vaccinated and follow them for 10 years. I am certain there are non vax parents who would gladly volunteer for it. It would put an end to this debate once and for all. I'm not saying this to evoke an argument (I'm exhausted with how volatile this has been, aren't you?), it's just a fact. On a personal note, I'm a big believer where there is smoke, there's fire and if parents swear their children were fine before this vaccine and then changed after, I believe them. Nobody knows their own kid better than mom and dad. It infuriates me that pharma and everyone that has a financial tie to pharma (as select individuals at the FDA/CDC/NIH do) try to tell them otherwise. Not looking to debate this all night long... I have a spouse, two young kids and need to live my life. Just wanted to say my peace.

      April 23, 2012 at 16:45 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      It' say your "piece", Einstein. I wouldn't take your advice on what restaurant to choose, much less on whether or not to vaccinate.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:04 | Report abuse |
    • Mintgreen

      Glad you found one thing to hang your hat on there, KandyKane. Must feel so proud of yourself. Now go reapply your body glitter and get on the stage. The after work crowd should be arriving soon. Peace out.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:43 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      "ONE"? There are so many holes in your posts they make Swiss cheese look like a solid slab.

      You're a bona fide idiot.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:49 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Hey, Mintmoon, better get your frankincense while you can: The International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources includes 10 Boswellia tree species on its Red List of Threatened Species. Eight are listed as vulnerable to extinction.

      And Dr. Bongers thinks that the frankincense tree could be 90 percent wiped out in the next 50 years.

      April 23, 2012 at 19:48 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Minty, ever hear that correlation is not causation?

      I guess not.

      I had potatoes for dinner last night. This morning, I had a gray hair! I've never had one before!! Therefore, potatoes cause gray hair! I knew it!! Can't trust a spud!

      The only job you ever had in pharma was as some flunky.

      April 23, 2012 at 20:09 | Report abuse |
    • teg

      @I Call BS – Please enlighten us. Where are the holes in mintgreen's post? I kinda thought it was the other way around. Oh and the swiss cheese remark? Brilliant. Very clever. I think the last time I heard that was from my 8 year old.

      April 23, 2012 at 20:43 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Hey, if you can't find them, it's your problem, troll.

      April 23, 2012 at 20:45 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Oh, almost forgot: It's sad when your child is smarter and better educated than you are, honey. Get a clue, dear: posting under another name won't help your cause.

      April 23, 2012 at 20:46 | Report abuse |
    • teg

      @I Call BS – You never disappoint. Only 2 minutes to respond. I can tell by your charming personality that your social calendar is full.

      April 23, 2012 at 20:54 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Pot, meet kettle. Guess you've been waiting for me ever since you posted, huh? Poor dear.

      April 23, 2012 at 21:27 | Report abuse |
  23. Jim

    Yah, who needs vaccines! Lets bring back polio while we are at it. In this day and age when conspiracies are the norm, there is just no room left for scientific reasoning. There is no point even discussing. People hold on to their conspiracies as strongly as any religion. I just smile and keep walking.

    April 22, 2012 at 16:11 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mintmom

      Don't be so quick to cast judgment on everyone who chooses to not vaccinate. You continue on then, get your vaccine, smile and walk on... or you can try leaving the farm sometime. Just a small suggestion.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:07 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      I don't live on a farm. I live in a major metropolitan area. I work with a lot of people every day. All of them seem to be smarter and better educated than you.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:12 | Report abuse |
  24. LUKE

    If you want to be "right on the money".... you MUST think about the consequences of your actions. Pregnant moms exposed to very contaigious measles are at higt RISK danger to the unborn!! Where are you lame heads in this?? The teenager, the young men & women who contract measle risk sterile lives, brain damage including blindness and hearing loss........ If I knew that these illegal kids and adults were waliking around my community, my church, my school and restarants and malls, I would arrest them for "Endangering the lives of otherS" .. It is just that serious!.. An autistic child had a start in the host mother and I know this for a fact: If the mother is not eating the proper meals, drinking the diet drinks or consume alcohol, there is chance the baby will have some proplems. I know of a mother who gained only 7 pounds, her baby girl was breastfed and I saw the mothers milk supply. Water!!! When it came time for that little girl to mix with others on the playground or preschool, she couldn't! She had speech problems and other issues.......McCarhhy is off base and does not have a doctors degree. These kids and the nation is at risk...

    April 23, 2012 at 01:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mintmom

      Are you aware of your own prison planet mentality? Mandating vaccines on every individual is a foolish mistake. Did you know that vaccination is NOT the ONLY method of protection against disease? Yet, you aggressivly support it. I'll have you know, that vaccination in a fraud playing off your hysteria and panic. People like you are weak and scared silly, you don't know how to help yourself, you rely on everybody else for your health and wellbeing. You must leave this wellfare mind-state and learn how to take care of yourself. I will not take up the offer of "free" vaccination but I will spend my own money, time and research learning how to take care of myself and my children by any other means, no matter the price, but I will not take on the offer of "free" vaccination. My child has never been sick, my family has been completely invinsible to the seasonal flu or the "something going around thing" while other vaccinated families and their young children continue and continue to come down with deathly colds. We are no longer blind to this game, we know how to take care of ourselves, we know food, it's not complicated at all.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:01 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      YOu've been asked more than once to enumerate the "other ways" of preventing diseases, MintMom, and yet here you are, blathering on about nothing. You can't even spell "invincible".

      Unless you can cite proof of your claims, you're full of bull.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:15 | Report abuse |
    • Andacar

      Now honey, you are not dying of measles! You are not dying because we didn't vaccinate you! It's just a scam perpetrated on the weak minded by the commie mutant traitors in Washington. Now you get up right this instant! You won't get any liberal mollycoddling from me! Honey! Honey?

      April 23, 2012 at 10:46 | Report abuse |
    • peridot2

      When I was pregnant I did nothing wrong, I ate properly, and I never had anything with artificial additives. I avoided alcohol. My son is autistic. The worst thing I did was get 2 spider bites, but I certainly didn't seek out that arachnid.

      You can try to find a way to blame it on me if you like, but I took great care of myself, better than I ever had before.

      April 23, 2012 at 13:23 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      MintMom, PLZ, et all,

      Name calling, innuendo, character ässässination, misdirection, false mirroring; the last refuge of those with empty facts.

      April 24, 2012 at 22:38 | Report abuse |
  25. ser

    i think it all comes down to this question for parents: Would you rather have a child living with Autism OR a child not living at all?
    think about it.

    April 23, 2012 at 12:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • peridot2

      My son is alive and living with autism. I made the decision to vaccinate him, of course. There's no connection, Dr Wakefield's 'research' has been debunked. Had there been a connection I still would have vaccinated him. Better to be alive and have 5 senses than deaf and blind or worse, dead.

      When I was a child my friend across the street had heart damage from a staph infection that came from measles. It affected the remainder of her life, all her life long. She had wanted to be a nurse but that was out and we had few choices when we were girls: secretary, nurse, teacher, wife, that was it.

      April 23, 2012 at 13:17 | Report abuse |
  26. americanheroine

    heart disease is the leading cause of death, not measles. worry about that as your kids develop healthy lifestyle habits, munching on doritos and pizza rolls plopped in front of the computer or television watching gratuitous violence and sex.
    who is more a threat to the well being of society – a minority of unvaccinated children, or legions of lazy, unhealthy, disinterested adults?

    April 23, 2012 at 13:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KandyKane

      What a silly post. Why must we endure either?

      April 23, 2012 at 18:02 | Report abuse |
  27. Confused

    I'm confused.. if you are vaccinated and have your children vaccinated, then why are you so worried about what the non-vaccinators do? If the disease is coming back, won't it only be hte non-vaccinators in trouble? You being vaccinated shouldn't contract the disease so you are safe... right?

    April 23, 2012 at 13:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • americanheroine

      some people can't see past their fear. if you're so sure the vaccine is going to protect you, then why do you care? its called herd mentality. consistency, conformity, and regimentation in the guise of freedom. "you can choose, but you can't choose that because it might possibly affect me. statistically unlikely, but i'd rather be safe than sorry, so choose the same as me."

      April 23, 2012 at 14:01 | Report abuse |
    • americanheroine

      2 people in 7 years died...both with heavily playing outside factors. does that sound like a reason to be worried?

      from the cdc website – "In the DECADE (10 years) before the measles vaccination program began (1963), an estimated 3–4 million people in the United States were infected each year, of whom 400–500 died"...450ppl/10years....about 45 people a year died? that is not an awful lot.

      April 23, 2012 at 14:09 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      But measles is a preventable disease. One vaccination and one booster and you are virtually immune for life. An unvaccinated mother who is pregnant that is exposed to measles can have a miscarriage or a baby with mental retardation after it is born. Sad and depressing considering the fact that vaccines can prevent things like this from happening.

      April 23, 2012 at 15:13 | Report abuse |
    • KandyKane

      It's not "herd mentality". It's "herd immunity" and the REASON there are more cases of measles now is BECAUSE some of the herd aren't getting vaccinated.

      Idiots, will you read about vaccines before you post? Vaccines do not prevent ALL infections; they lessen the chances you'll contract the disease or decrease the severity of the disease if you DO get it.


      April 23, 2012 at 18:01 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry

      Thanks KandyKane,

      The problem is that most will be unable to process the information if they do read it. There are not so blind as this who are willingly blind.

      Still maybe a few who actually and honestly do the research may be able to process the information, so here's hoping that a few will do so.

      It always amazes me how people can compartmentalize their minds lime they do. The religion brain virus (meme) is well entrenched in them.

      April 25, 2012 at 23:32 | Report abuse |
  28. americanheroine

    as for children, accidents are far and wide the most common killer. you should take all proper precautions and not allow your children to leave the safety of your home for their first 18 years. would i rather have a child who died in a car accident, or one that lived, but never rode in an auto. seems an obvious choice.
    would i rather have a child who died falling off a swing set, or one alive who never went on a swing? obvious again, right?

    you other parents take risks with your childrens lives every single day. auto accidents, number one for kids. easily preventable. don't judge non-vaxers. they have the same difficult job you have, they just made different decisions.

    April 23, 2012 at 13:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  29. americanheroine

    sorry, i grossly micalculated that math. 400 people a year. 0.0002% of the 1963 population of 189,241,798.

    April 23, 2012 at 14:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      Your gross miscalculations are making me laugh. Really, what a crock. You are clueless.

      April 23, 2012 at 18:35 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      HEY BS, you have yet to post a constructive response, if you have a stance on this debate you should state it and argue it, not terrorise people who care enough to provide you accurate details as you ridicule them. I have never seen anyone behave in such a senseless and destructive manner.

      April 24, 2012 at 07:38 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      You are a fraud, Mintmom. You aren't educated. The only job you ever had was as some low-level employee.

      I've already stated my stance, several times. Vaccinations save lives and are one of the reasons we live longer and are healthier than our ancestors. I understand how vaccines work, and I know that herd immunity is what protects us from the deadly diseases. I know that frankincense and myrrh aren't cures for measles or pertussis. I know that people like you endanger everyone else by spreading myths, conspiracy theories, and outright lies.

      You are mentally ill.

      April 24, 2012 at 10:23 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      You must feel real threatened to personally attack me. I see how you steer your argument and focus on how much you hate me, this is because your argument is weak. There is more wisdom in the methods I chose than in the years of what vaccination can offer. One day it will all hit the fan, and you and your hilter dignity won't be spared.

      April 24, 2012 at 10:58 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Nutty as a fruitcake.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:01 | Report abuse |
    • mintgreen

      Hey there, BS... I don't disagree with you that (some) vaccines work. The MMR vaccine is effective... for only about 11 years. So unless you are getting booster shots every 10 years, you are susceptible. Are you doing your part? Are you getting the MMR vaccine every 10 years? I guarantee you the answer for most of us is no. I was vaccinated as a kid but I could go over to Europe and catch them. It could happen to anyone who hasn't had their booster. Same with the DTaP vaccine.

      Before the MMR vaccine was in mainstream use, nearly everyone caught measles by age 15 and then had lifelong immunity (pertussis, if acquired naturally, has 30 years of immunity). It was very rarely seen in infants and adults. Mothers who had it as children passed along immunity to their infants that first year of life. Most recovered from the disease with no complications (not all, but most). It was seen as a rite of passage. But thanks to the MMR vaccine , which I do believe has played a part in reducing measles overall, it's now occurring in infants (too young for the inoculation) and adults (immunity has most likely worn off) and those are the ones who are most likely to incur serious complications from measles. Getting back to the vaccine itself, It's a triple live vaccine. If you think about it most people don't fight off measles, mumps, and rubella at the same time (let alone having it injected right into your muscle instead of through your mucous membranes), yet that is what the vaccine is triggering the body to do. That's one reason why it's such a reactive vaccine and possibly not as safe as is being touted. Merck used to make vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella individually and many parents went that route. That's the route we wanted to take, but they stopped making them in 2009 (the year our first child was born). They said it was because of lack of demand, but I wonder if its their way to bully parents to get their kid the full MMR. We've delayed it for now, but hope Merck will go back to making the individual vaccines.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:02 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      People who were born before 1957 don't need a booster. I HAD the measles; I'm immune.

      There is no evidence that combining attenuated, or weakened, forms of the three viruses is dangerous for the vast majority of children.

      April 24, 2012 at 19:29 | Report abuse |
    • mintgreen

      And you lived to talk about it... Amazing.

      April 25, 2012 at 09:02 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Yes, simpleton. Unfortunately, my great aunts, born before such vaccines were available, weren't so lucky. Two of them died and a third was left mentally retarded.

      Thanks for proving my point.

      April 25, 2012 at 20:08 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      edit: aunts, not great-aunts. They were triplets who contracted measles when they were a year old. The aunt who survived was unable to function independently and was cared for by my grandmother, then by my mother (her younger sister).

      April 25, 2012 at 20:10 | Report abuse |
    • ElmerGantry


      BETCHA you thought your comment was so effective, so intelligent so logical, so, ummm GOTCHA. Betcha you did.

      But you showed your lack of intelligence. Oh yes you did. THE EVIDENCE,

      And you lived to talk about it... Amazing.

      April 25, 2012 at 09:02 | Report abuse |
      I call BS
      Yes, simpleton. Unfortunately, my great aunts, born before such vaccines were available, weren't so lucky. Two of them died and a third was left mentally retarded.

      Thanks for proving my point.

      April 25, 2012 at 20:08 | Report abuse |

      Exactly right I call BS!


      April 25, 2012 at 21:27 | Report abuse |
  30. #WorldClockfxqd

    A world clock, often called a "Worldtime Clock", is a clock which displays the time for various cities around the world.
    The World clock time can take various forms:
    The world clock face can incorporate multiple round analogue clocks with moving hands or multiple digital clocks with numeric readouts, with each clock being labelled with the name of a major city or time zone in the world.
    It could also be a worldclocksite of the world with embedded analog or digital time-displays.
    A moving circular map of the world, rotating inside a stationary 24 hour dial ring. Alternatively, the disc can be stationary and the ring moving.
    There are also world time watches, both wrist watches and pocket watches. Sometime manufacturers of timekeepers erroneously apply the worldtime label to instruments that merely indicate time for two or a few time zones.

    April 23, 2012 at 17:24 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ElmerGantry


      Way off topic!

      April 24, 2012 at 22:42 | Report abuse |
  31. ElmerGantry

    The efficacy of belief based healing.







    An 8-year-old boy died from Hodgkin lymphoma in Cleveland in 2008 after his parents refused to take him to a doctor over a period of at least two years.

    The parents have now been sentenced to eight years in prison following a last-minute plea deal in which they pleaded guilty to charges of attempted manslaughter.

    As this case involves parents who abused drugs and may simply have not taken the time to take their child to get medical attention, it is not the same as other cases that involve children dying from relatively easily treated conditions without getting medical care. Those cases usually involve kids not getting medical care because of their parent's religious beliefs, including:

    a 16-year-old in Creswell, Oregon who died just before Christmas after being sick for less than a week
    a 17-year-old in Carlton, Washington who died in March 2009 with a burst appendix
    a newborn in Oregon who was born two months premature but died when he was only about nine hours old because his parents didn't seek medical attention
    a 15-month old in Oregon who died of pneumonia and a blood infection as her parents conducted faith-healing rituals, but didn't seek medical attention
    a 15-year-old who died who died two weeks after developing a urinary tract blockage
    an 11-year-old in Weston, Wisconsin who died of undiagnosed diabetes
    a newborn baby in Franklin, Indiana who died of a common infection less than two days after she was born
    a 15-year-old in Loudon, Tennessee who died with a basketball-sized growth on her shoulder
    a 13-year-old in Grand Junction, Colorado who died with untreated diabetes
    an 18-day-old in Clifton, Colorado who died of meningitis and pneumonia
    a 3-day-old in Clifton, Colorado who died with a treatable heart condition
    Like the parents in Ohio, the convictions for most of these parents have ranged from misdemeanor criminal mistreatment to second degree manslaughter.

    How common are these cases? A 1998 study in Pediatrics discovered at least 140 child deaths from religion motivated medical neglect between 1974 and 1994.

    Surprisingly, about 30 states have criminal codes that provide some protection for parents who choose faith healing for their sick children and 17 states have religious defenses to felony crimes against children.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics has urged state legislatures and regulatory agencies with interests in children to remove religious exemption clauses from statutes and regulations.

    April 25, 2012 at 07:57 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ElmerGantry


      Per my previous requesting supportive evidence and efficacy of "your alternative" methods; well are you going to fish or cut bait, ante up or fold, put your money where your mouth is, etc.

      Well MintMom, we are waiting. What is it, misinformation non sequesters or verifiable references?

      April 25, 2012 at 21:48 | Report abuse |
  32. ElmerGantry


    BETCHA you thought your comment was so effective, so intelligent so logical, so, ummm GOTCHA. Betcha you did.

    But you showed your lack of intelligence. Oh yes you did. THE EVIDENCE,

    And you lived to talk about it... Amazing.

    April 25, 2012 at 09:02 | Report abuse

    I call BS
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