Measles cases reached 15-year high in 2011
April 19th, 2012
03:30 PM ET

Measles cases reached 15-year high in 2011

Back in 2000 measles was eliminated from the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  But now a  new CDC study tells us there were 17 outbreaks and 222 cases of the highly infectious disease reported in 2011.

An outbreak is defined as three or more cases linked by time or location.  The average age of those infected was 14 and most were infected while traveling abroad.  Seventy patients were hospitalized, but there were no deaths reported.

"Last year many U.S. travelers brought back more than they bargained for," said Dr. Ann Schuchat, director, CDC's Office of Infectious Diseases, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease. "This is the most reported number of cases of the measles in 15 years."

Measles was wiped out in the U.S. for more than a decade, thanks in large part to the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine.  Cases here are sporadic and although the numbers reported seem relatively small, the CDC says vaccination is still key to maintaining elimination in the U.S.

"It's really important for families to know that measles are still a threat," Schuchat said. "In some places it's easy to exempt from a vaccine.  We believe that for many parents a reason to decline a vaccine is they don't think the disease exist, they believe it's gone ... No one wants their child to die from measles in 2012."

Schuchat says although many parents opt out of vaccinations for philosophical, religious or personal beliefs, the vaccine has been studied extensively and is safe and effective.

The measles vaccine is delivered in two doses for children.  The first comes between 12 and 15 months and the second between the ages of 4 and 6.

Two doses are also recommended for college students, health care professionals and international travelers who've never been vaccinated. Adults who have no recognizable immunity should get one dose.  People born before 1957 don't need to be vaccinated. It's widely believed that they either had measles - or were exposed to it.

The CDC recommends anyone older than 6 months who's traveling internationally should get vaccinated.

The agency says this small rise in cases underscores the ongoing risk to those who have not been vaccinated. The disease still exists in many parts of the world - infecting 20 million and killing nearly 200,000 each year and putting Americans at risk of contracting the disease when traveling outside the country, or from those visiting the U.S. while infected with the virus.  Ninety percent of last year's cases were exposed outside the country, the report found.  And nearly 90% of those that got the disease last year were not vaccinated or their vaccination status was not known.

Measles is a respiratory disease caused by the measles virus.  Symptoms included a high fever of 101 degrees or more, body rash that lasts for 3 or more days, runny nose and cough.  The CDC says for every 1,000 children who get the disease one to two of them die. Between 2001 and 2008 there have only been two measles deaths confirmed by the CDC - a 13-year-old boy with and underlying condition, and a 75-year-old international traveler.

This year there have only been 27 cases reported so far.  But Schuchat says that's no reason to let your guard down.

"What would happen if people didn't get vaccinated? We would have thousands and thousands of cases."  With summer coming and people heading overseas for events like the summer Olympics she has this message: "For those of you traveling abroad, bring back memories and not measles."

And you don't have to travel to obscure places to be exposed.  Last year there were more than 37,000 cases of measles in Europe alone, including 27 cases of encephalitis – a serious infection that can lead to brain damage and possible deaths.  Ninety percent of cases reported to in the WHO European region were found in just five countries:  France, Italy, Romania, Spain and Germany.

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  1. Grant

    Canaan – show me one of these articles that is actually peer reviewed and shows up in a journal. Just because its research it doesn't mean anything the research can be crummy. There has been more research peer reviewed on this topic than you have time to read. They have removed every possible part of the vaccine and have tested it with out, they have tested it in different countries, different population types. There is none, zero zilch data showing any link in any of these multiple times over repeated studies.

    Furthermore, saying your wife is a physiologist doesn't mean much and the fact that she says there is a clear link is more of an indication that she doesn't have a medical background because there is no clear link. There's multiple genetic factors that may be involved, there are multiple environmental conditions, multiple prenatal and neonatal/infant infections and diseases that have a elevated risk. The one thing that has never been shown to elevate the risk is vaccines. Furthermore, "carrying the dose in their genes" do you even know how dumb this sounds to anyone who has any biological science or medical background. Vaccines don't change the genes located in germ cells, a germ cell is a primordial cell to a sperm or egg fyi, they induce an immunological response identical to that of a the normal virus. However with not enough load to cause infection or the virus is inactivated so it can't cause an infection. None of this ever causes a permanent genetic change in germ cells. Like I said show me an article your anti-vaccine crew never seems to be able to do that.

    April 19, 2012 at 19:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • sbp

      It's worse than that; he doesn't say she is a physiologist – but a pyschologist.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:02 | Report abuse |
    • Raven

      Agreed. This anti-vaccine hoopla is detrimental to society. I can't believe the utter ignorance and lack of scientific understanding amongst lay people today. You want to know what happens in the absence of vaccines? Check out India and Ethiopia where rabies is very common due to a lack of a comprehensive vaccine program. Vaccines WORK. Yes, a tiny minority of society will be adversly affected by vaccines. However, that chance you will become ill from a vaccine is far lower than the chance you would be affected by the disease without an inoculated population.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:13 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      Yeah sorry, I was on a roll and mistyped that.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:13 | Report abuse |
    • Bob Holly Jr.


      Grant, i hope one of these sites can set you on the right research path

      April 19, 2012 at 20:26 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      No you see this isn't how the debate game. I don't look for facts to support your argument. I have the facts to support mine. Which is exactly my point, the anti-vaccine crowd keeps saying there is all these articles in journals about this "link" between MMR and autism. Then show me one it should be easy obviously.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:40 | Report abuse |
    • Katherine

      The ONE doctor who started this CRAZY idea about a link between autism and MMR has had his medical license REVOKED because it was proven that his research was erroneous and met none of the minimum standards for medical research. No one has been able to replicate his findings despite numerous attempts. He used a patient population of about 30. Many of the kids were already displaying signs of autism which is why he selected them for his research. There was no random sampling, they were already his patients and he picked patients that would support his "research" and then profited for publications and speaking engagements. The entire medical community has condemned his research. Parents need to wake up.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:10 | Report abuse |
    • hillman

      oh shut up there is no out break of any kind so stop believing all the propaganda the government is puting out they only want to make the drug companys money its all about the money the money the money

      April 19, 2012 at 21:17 | Report abuse |
    • Svenster

      Listen to Grant. He knows what he's talking about.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:04 | Report abuse |
    • Bob Holly Jr.

      sorry about that Grant, i didn't read the entirety of your initial comment directed at Canaan. mea culpa.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:15 | Report abuse |
    • Blayze Kohime

      The vaccine hoopla is WHY cases are increasing, I'd wager.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:38 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Yeah, hillman, YOU certainly seem smart. I think I'll go with YOUR theory. To hell with all those daggone doctors and scientist folks! What do THEY know?

      April 19, 2012 at 22:42 | Report abuse |
    • Julie

      Thank goodness for someone with some common sense. I'm so irritated with the JUNK science inferring–and the people who believe it– that vaccines cause autism or ADHD/ADD or this or that etc etc ad nauseum. The reason diseases like measles are on the rise is because of parents who believe the crap and don't vaccinate their children. I have sympathy for the child who gets one of these illnesses, but nothing for the parents who, in my opinion, perpetrated these diseases on the child themselves. Now there are positively parents whose children have legitimate reactions to vaccines for whatever reason–but those parents who choose not to vaccinate simply because they "read somewhere" or "heard somewhere" that they cause long-term problems are just ridiculous and negligent.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:53 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      Oh yes! The infamous vaccines are around to make drug companies money that's why we have them argument. Here we go logic 101 for hillman; first, what do you think would make a drug company more money treating a patient once or in this case 3 times with the MMR or treat the disease after it occurs. Lets see here 3 shots vs multiple drugs while in the hospital and multiple physicians hmmm.

      Second, google is your friend in this case, how much does the MMR vaccine cost, a WHOPPING 2.50 to 6.00 for the actual drug. Yes at the most expensive rate this is 18 dollars for the drug company per child. Still following? Now there are just over 4 million people born each year in the US so lets say 95 percent get vaccinated so 3.8 million times 18 dollars so the company gets 68.4 million revenue for the vaccine not profit revenue. Merck the drug manufacture for MMR had a worldwide revenue last year of 40 billion, yes thats with a B. Meaning the revenue from the MMR vaccine amounted to all of 0.17 percent of their world wide revenue. Do put this in normal salary terms this would be the equivalent of a 40000 a year salary and someone complaining about 68 dollars you made this year. To top it off this is revenue, you still have overhead, manufacturing costs, delivery costs and taxes. So by the end of the day odds are its probably more like less than half of that revenue is profit. Once again its not a conspiracy.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:11 | Report abuse |
    • KF

      Grant, while your intentions are good... it really makes no sense to argue with people who fail to listen to reason. The unfortunate reality is that population control needs to be implemented, but since that will not happen anytime soon in the states it makes perfect sense to let these individuals volunteer their families for natural selection. Although it may slightly increase the chances of outbreaks in the U.S. it greatly increases the chances of removing some people from the gene pool while reducing the population slightly. A sad but necessary thing to happen.

      April 20, 2012 at 07:23 | Report abuse |
    • summer

      @ Grant, your calculations are wrong!
      Children require few dozens vaccines in the first 2 years of life, they are not given 1 MMR but several. Then add all the school and healthcare staff and college students and students between 5-18 years that can't go to school or can't work unless they are vaccinated. I've been given an equivalent of 4 MMR vaccines in my lifetime, and I'm only in my late 20s. This means two things,First, that most educated people will get over 4 vaccines in their life; Second, it means that most people who are born after I was born receive at least 2-3 more doses of this vaccine. The first two rounds I didn't even get MMR but I got separate vaccines (at different times) for each disease, and I didn't get my first vaccine until I was about 10-12. The CDC's schedule is two give two MMR vaccines in the first two years of life and that's just the beginning.
      I find it ridiculous. I undersatand immunity. But consider this, maybe we should postpone some vaccinations until children are at least 4 years old. We don't have to be radical and over-vaccinate or not vaccinate, we can try finding middle ground. Let's give children the most important vaccinations in the first two years: diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus, polio and tuberculosis. After 2 years we can add other vaccines. If people: older kids, and adults are vaccinated, we won't have to worry about as many outbreaks. Also breastfed babies get immunity from their mom. It's not an excuse, but just a thought that we don't need to put needles in a three month old baby.

      April 21, 2012 at 02:20 | Report abuse |
  2. Dilusiun

    thanks to all the crunches with no sense...

    April 19, 2012 at 19:55 | Report abuse | Reply
  3. bibleverse1

    If you travel to places out side the US or around a large population of people without vaccines, its probably a good idea to get a shot. I dont know if its necessary for babies but bigger kids should might need to be vaccinated.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      That is like saying well I only wear my seatbelt when traffic is bad. Measles is contagious for 4 days before an infection and four days after it begins. The US gets around 60 million tourists a year. All it takes is for one of them to have the virus without knowing it and they could infect your child. Lets put it this way are you willing to risk your child possibly dying based on guessing their might not be someone from a foreign country visiting near you. Thats a pretty big risk considering the death rate from measles infections in children is 5-15 percent.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:55 | Report abuse |
  4. wemustdissent

    Okay I'm sensing a lot of misunderstanding of how vaccines function on both sides of the aisle here so I'm going to try to clarify. I'm going to use very basic language here when I can.

    Upon first exposure to a pathogen your immune response takes several weeks to ramp up. After dealing with the infection your body will have "memory" for the disease and the next time you are exposed your body will quickly mount an effective response that typically will clear the disease before you are even aware you were exposed. The problem is not everyone survives that first exposure without permenant damage or even death.

    Vaccines work by illiciting an immune response that mimics the immune response you would get upon exposure to the actual pathogen but without the risk of infection. This can be accomplished using heat-killed or otherwise attenuated live pathogen or by the more modern techniques of specific manufactored antigen coupled with adjuvant (adjuvant being something that gets the attention of the immune system while the antigen is the thing the immune system "remembers").

    That said there is a lot of genetic variance in immune response and the only way to "test" if a particular vaccine has generated the appropriate response is for that person to be exposed to the pathogen. Clinical studies usually report the efficacy of the vaccines but they are never 100%. After you are vaccinated you should not just assume you are immune, you may not be. Usually we are talking something like 80-95% chance of immunity.

    The reason that vaccines are so effective though is that a pathogen needs a large pool of suceptible hosts in order to effectively spread throughout a population. Once you have something like 80% of that population immune the worst it will do is infect or potentially kill one person. Once however the population immunity drops much lower, say to less than 50% then you have the possibility that the pathogen will spread throught the population, killing a large number of people INCLUDING those who were vaccinated but happened to be in the 10% where it didn't take,

    This is why it is so crucial that we maintain a high amount of vaccinations in the entire population, you drop much below that threshold and you risk a pandemic that will harm more than just those foolish enough to avoid or turn their nose up at vaccination. In my opinion vaccination is a civic duty, not only for your own protection but for the protection of your neighbors and your society.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:02 | Report abuse | Reply
  5. tobygal

    Too stupid. If you have to take care of a 25 year old 3 year old you will wish you had given her or him the measles shot. My friend didn't give her daughter the measle shot because she was afraid it would hurt her. The fever from measles damaged her brain. She is 3 and always will be....I almost died with the measles and I would never want my child to have them.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:08 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Clair

      Really? You have a friend in the US who's daughter got brain damaged by measles recently and it didn't make the news? I don't believe you.

      April 20, 2012 at 05:04 | Report abuse |
    • KF

      @Clair If you had bothered to read the response you can clearly see that she said her friend's *25* year old has been brain damaged since she was *3* years old... now with a little basic math you could take a rough guess and say that this event happened approximately 22 years ago. Perhaps if you were to go through the local newspaper's microfiche from back then you could find that story.

      April 20, 2012 at 07:36 | Report abuse |
  6. ghostclown

    I don't think it's so much that people don't trust vaccines. They don't trust the people who are administering them. What else is in the shot?

    April 19, 2012 at 20:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Joel

      They took mercury out of them years ago.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:10 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      They don't trust the people administering them. You mean the people who have given up 10+ years of their life just to treat individuals, make them healthier, and decrease suffering? You don't trust those people. Because that's who is signing off on the vaccine, its not the CDC, not the manufacturer not the government. Its the pediatrician, who I can promise you loves kids you don't go into any pediatric medicine without that trait, who signs off and says its okay. You really think for a second they want to injury the child?

      April 19, 2012 at 20:12 | Report abuse |
    • sbp

      So do you honestly believe that your pediatrician (who, by the way, commands just about the lowest average salary amongst physicians), who finished at the top of his class in high school and college (which he had to do in order to get into med school) and is obviously very smart, CHOSE to forgo becoming an investment banker and became a doctor as PART OF HIS EVIL SCHEME TO MAKE A FORTUNE AS A PEDIATRICIAN BY SCAMMING LITTLE KIDS?

      Then you clearly don't have a clue.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:16 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      sbp, I LOVE it. Great comeback,

      April 19, 2012 at 20:36 | Report abuse |
    • PantyRaid

      So much trust for pediatricians here. If you worked at an office with one, you would see constant perks given to the doctors by pharmaceutical reps. The reps buy lunches for the whole office, discounted or free tickets to sporting events, motels for vacations, you name it.

      I work in a Pediatric office. I see the sales reps at least twice a week. They are SALESMAN period.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:45 | Report abuse |
    • John

      You chose to post under name PantyRaid. Classy.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:55 | Report abuse |
    • sbp

      And I'm married to a pediatrician, who is also a DIO, and we get NOTHING (in hospital environment, it's not allowed). And I don't know a single pediatrician who gives a crap about drug rep perks. Again, do you honestly think there is a conpsiracy of pediatricians who KNOW vaccines cause autism but are giving it anyway because they secretly hate kids and can't live without the trifles you are describing? Or do you actually think the pediatricians are getting rich prescribing vaccines?

      I would suggest to use your brain a little, but that's not going to help.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:59 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      Oh come on with a name like that how could the person not be trust worthy. But come on these perks are HUGE, sporting tickets, lunch geez, I would totally risk my whole professional career on giving children drugs I don't believe in just for some good lunch. Logic Fail

      April 19, 2012 at 21:01 | Report abuse |
    • wemustdissent

      Hey pantyraid, will you change your opinon or perhaps inject a child with a harmful therapy. I'll buy you lunch!

      April 19, 2012 at 21:04 | Report abuse |
    • TK

      @PantyRaid You make quite the jump in your argument. While pharm reps may be providing certain perks to a medical office, this does not automatically mean the physician is using their products or is obligated to use them. It's an assumption to say that a physician eats a free lunch, therefore they must be under their influence. At the end of the day, physicians will provide vaccines because they have been proven safe and effective time and time again in the literature, not because of what a pharm rep bought them for lunch.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:15 | Report abuse |
    • Katherine

      PantyRaid you don't know what you are talking about, that may be the case with some drugs but NOT when it comes to vaccines. Pediatricians LOSE money on nearly every vaccine they administer because the reimbursement rates for many of the vaccines are lower than the cost of the shots themselves. Pediatricians still administer them because it is the right thing to do, but for most of them it is a cost of doing business NOT a profit center. That is why many pediatricians have started sending patients to the local health departments. I have worked for both a vaccine mfg AND a pharmacy that administers vaccines, I do know what I am talking about.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:17 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Panty Raid is a lying pig.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:23 | Report abuse |
    • Rubber neck

      I think a lot of lower income, uninformed people listen to gossip and heresay and decline to vaccinate their kids. I know a gal (hispanic) who has a slightly austistic child who says she suspects vaccination. I just heard on KPBS (public radio) that it is as easy as writing a note and handing it to your physician that you don't want your child vaccinated.
      I am 50+ and just noticed something about measles on my bloodwork that my dr. ordered. I wonder what that is all about.
      I hope I don't have to get a booster shot. I already got a whopping cough shot...

      April 19, 2012 at 23:48 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      Rubber neck the only reason you would need a measles "booster" is if you show up negative for measles antibodies. If you've had the vaccine you should be fine its not something that normally needs a booster.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:27 | Report abuse |
  7. kyle

    As a soon to be pediatrician, it pains me to say that I like many other doctors will not treat children that do not receive their vaccinations. Offices and waiting rooms are not sterile environments and many children either cannot receive vaccinations or are too young to receive them and the potential for that transmission to happen at my office is an unacceptable risk both for the health of my patients and the liability of my practice. I will not be a participant by acquiescence in these unsafe unscientific parenting practices.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Melinda Sue Wallace

      Thank you. My premature grand daughter contracted whooping cough ( pertussis) from a sick child at Primary Children's Medical Center in Salt Lake City. She was in the waiting room, waiting for her 2 week check-up and was too young to be immunized. Young women should consider getting a booster prior to starting a family. At least the unborn child would receive some immunity from the mother. Utah also has an active anti-immunization group known as Eagle Forum and our Utah State Legislature catered to this group. Very little is done to protect premature infants with compromised immunize systems such as leukemia patients. We are also seeing pregnant women who are contracting the rubella virus because they have never received their MMR.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:34 | Report abuse |
    • KidIndigo

      Sorry, kyle. As a fellow physician (family doc, not pediatrician), your arguments and defenses are empty. You dare argue liability? So, you'll refuse care to children who need help because their parents are idiots? Oh, yes, I get your "noble" defense of your "other" patients. Shame on you. You're not a healer, you're a businessman.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:02 | Report abuse |
    • TK

      @KidIndigo Something has to be done to increase vaccination rates. Who says we can't require vaccinations in our practices? Look at public schools. They have requirements for vaccinations in all 50 states. If they're able to do it, in the best interest of public health, then why can we not have such a rule for the best interest of our patient population?

      Bottom line is that these parents need to stop relying on the immunity of other people. The only way their minds will change is if their child becomes sick (god forbid) or we become more aggressive with health policy. Because scientific evidence, although overwhelming, just hasn't done the job.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:29 | Report abuse |
    • cosmicsnoop

      Your arguments are ridiculous. I don't care how smart you are because you're going to be a doctor, you cannot use punctuation correctly. My wife is a nurse in a private practice and I believe you will be in for a rude awakening as far as patient care goes. There is NO liability for you if someone in your waiting room gets someone else sick. That is a ridiculous statement. People infect people on a daily basis with all kinds of diseases. That's how infectious diseases work, but you know that don't you Doc? The only way to not see a patient is to release them because they are non-compliant. If these people have a legal exemption for the vaccines, you are on legal shaky ground to refuse service. You could just open a cash only practice, but then could not take medicaid patients or insurance. Good luck making a living that way unless you open in Beverly Hills or some other wealthy place.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:35 | Report abuse |
    • mary

      Will you and your like-minded pediatricians please create some form of group or database where mothers like me can take their kids to the doctor without having to worry that they might encounter something even more dangerous? It would give me great comfort to know that my pediatrician would turn away patients who refuse vaccination according to the recommended schedule.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:54 | Report abuse |
    • kyle

      Kidindigo, there is a difference between someone walking in with a sick child and a patient you have been seeing for a long time. You don't know what the kid has, as a family physician your responsibility is to your patients, not every person who walks in the door. As for liability, yes sadly doctors can be sued for anything and if you think for one second a parent whos child contacts one of these preventable diseases, and the department of public health tracks the outbreak location to YOUR office, won't sue you then you are terribly naive.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:12 | Report abuse |
    • c

      well when pigs fly, immunizations may then become 100% effective. today immunizations are NOT. pertussis vaccine, protects against the toxin does nothing to prevent pertussis. go back to med school and learn something about just how vaccines do and don't work. better get those boosters shots before opening the practice. and don't forget to ask parents about their boosters shots too. they too are likely not protected by their vaccine induced immunity any more.

      hand out vaccine package inserts to all parents and direct them to the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund so they can make a truely educated decision.

      don't worry about safety issues with vaccines, since parents cannot sue you. your butt is covered. and forget about independent safety studies, done without funding by vaccine makers or researched by vaccine makers. flawed and bias is the rule.

      but surely your aware of those facts. so you wont be handing out the vaccine package inserts any time soon. you have no independent safety studies and surely you are aware of gaps in knowledge on unknown vaccine risks and injecting fetal bovine serum into kids is safe!!!! really and your independent safety studies are where??????

      April 22, 2012 at 15:30 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Well, well, look who showed up. The nuttiest conspiracy theorist ever, c.

      Got that tin-foil hat fully tightened, dear?

      April 22, 2012 at 15:47 | Report abuse |
  8. wemustdissent

    Nah pediatricians are in the pocket of drug developers like me. I'm a research scientist working in drug development and when I pull up in front of your hospital on my tricked out bicycle and stroll through those doors in my sketcher sneakers you better believe that all those doctors line up to take their orders from me. Its not that drugs and vaccines can save lives, no...its all about the Benjamins. Well, I suppose in my case its all about the Hamiltons but same idea.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • sbp

      Precisely. Back when it was ALLOWED, the doctors would get excited by the free pizza from the drug reps. What kind of fool thinks they were pushing "Poison Drug" instead of "Life Saving Drug" because the Poison Drug rep brought pepperoni?

      And now, they don't even get that. People have to set aside the paranoia for a minute and use some common sense. Too bad many can't.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:23 | Report abuse |
  9. Joel

    When people start questioning the germ theory of disease, I have to give up. By all means, hang that garlic around your neck and run that single woman out of town (she's probably a witch – its all her fault). If we're going to embrace medievalism, we might as well do it right.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • cosmicsnoop

      Run out of town for being a witch? No, you have to burn her if she's a witch. And you should at least test her first by throwing her in water to see if she floats.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:40 | Report abuse |
  10. Karen

    I was not vaccinated against measles, mumps or rubella as a child. I had the measles at age 27 and developed heart problems (the measles damaged my heart.) If you live where the vaccines are required, then get them. My parents didn't vaccinate me, and I now live with serious heart issues.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      I'm sorry to hear that hopefully they will find a treatment at somepoint. This perfectly indicates the problem with decreased disease due to vaccines. People don't see the disease and what it causes so they don't worry about it and say they don't need the vaccine. Look at polio for instance, there is a growing number of people who don't want the polio vaccine because it is basically non-existant in the US. How many of these people have even seen images of how horrible polio is, probably very few because its not talked about anymore. But those vaccinations are allowing it to not be seen anymore.

      April 19, 2012 at 20:46 | Report abuse |
    • Mel

      Grant – I completely agree. People don't seem to realize that just because a condition isn't common in one area of the world (your polio example) disease doesn't mean it can't come back. What if a group of people from Nigeria or Pakistan where polio is still endemic came to the US and brought the virus with them. That puts the non-vaccinated at risk. My mom never had me vaccinated against smallpox (trust me, I have NO smallpox vaccination mark anywhere on me). Since it wasn't fully eradicated until 1977 that meant I was at risk for a long time. Human have only managed to fully eradicate TWO diseases. That leaves a lot that can still cause great suffering and death.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:12 | Report abuse |
    • Niki Carson

      Oh that is so sad. Karen, if you are well enough you could become a voice for the vaccination. Every-time I try to educate moms (it is always moms) I am met with open anger and hostility. They don't listen. They can't see what they are risking in regards to their children.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:57 | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      I agree completely. I have been to Indonesia where vaccines are not always available and have seen what happens to victims of polio there, how their bodies are deformed. Often polio victims there end up as beggars because their physical deformities caused by polio mean that they have no chance of being able to find work. After seeing that, I just can't understand why some parents refuse to get their kids vaccinated. I just don't understand why parents, in good conscience, would want to expose their kids to those risks. As I said before, we should consider ourselves fortunate that we live in a place where vaccinations against these horrible diseases are available.

      April 20, 2012 at 04:58 | Report abuse |
    • Clair

      I was not vaccinated and had measles as a well. No long term health issues and I'm a very health person. I am in my mid 30's. I have also travelled all over the world and have never gotten sick. I guess everyone is different.

      April 20, 2012 at 05:08 | Report abuse |
    • summer

      My issue with some of the responses is that people automatically assume that because someone is skeptical of vaccinations they would not vaccinate small children against pertussis or polio. That's absurd! if someone refuses to vaccinate their children against polio or perstussis then they are simply uneducated. But I can say the same thing about someone who vaccinates blindly against everything. The CDC schedule is much more intrusive today than it was 20 years ago. Do you remember many children dying from measles 20 years ago?
      Those who are 20 or over that never had an MMR vaccine are the exception. In my opinion they should have gotten it at some point. But Polio has nothing to do with MMR, so why is everyone thinking that a mother who wants to vaccinate her child on a delayed schedule similar to that from 15-20 years ago, would not vaccinate a child against polio?

      April 21, 2012 at 02:43 | Report abuse |
  11. Mel

    Check out the section on "Impact on Society"


    April 19, 2012 at 20:46 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. JM

    I wish I could find a pediatrician that does not treat children who are not vaccinated. I've only recieved 1 dpt and 1 mmr my whole life. I am one of the few who have a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine. Even after my experience, I insisted on vaccinating my children because I knew it was in their best interest. The fewer people vaccinated, the more likely we are to have a mass epidemic of the viruses we have worked so hard to get rid of. I held my breath for the first twenty minutes after each vaccine, but I never once questioned my choice.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Clair

      That is also why I am unvaccinated and why I won't vaccinate my own children. I do not think the benefits out weigh the risks when you have true severe reactions. Bad reactions do happen just like with any medicine or substance is injected in a human. Not everyone should have it and not everyone is going to react well to it. We understand that about every single other drug, why would vaccines be any different?

      April 20, 2012 at 05:12 | Report abuse |
  13. Lori

    I blame people like Jenny McCarthy who go around saying vaccines MIGHT cause autism. It turns out it doesn't, but the harm has already been done. Whooping cough is on the rise and now measles. Talk to your pediatricians about the safety of these shots, not some dumb actress.

    April 19, 2012 at 20:52 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ME

      I believe Vaccines cause Autism because if I believe really really hard in the cause, maybe Jenny McCarthy will do me.

      April 20, 2012 at 01:30 | Report abuse |
  14. KidIndigo

    We are STILL having some sort of vaccine debate? Read the article, vaccine haters. Measles was GONE in 2000, and now it's back. Not because the vaccine failed, but because of ill-advised/informed (if well-meaning) parents not vaccinating their kids. For US vaccine haters... ever seen a child with polio? No? Guess why NOT? Oh, yeah, vaccines. PS Jenny McCarthy, autism rates aren't going up because of vaccines, rates are going up because some genius keeps broadening the definition of what autism is. Don't get me wrong, autism is real. But just 'cause your kid doesn't say "dad" at just the right moment, or has trouble in school, doesn't mean they're autistic. No doubt, though, you'll find SOMEONE to say they are, if you doctor shop enough.

    April 19, 2012 at 21:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      I don't think most people are saying vaccines don't help. I think people are just misguided in thinking that they are causing some lethal risk to the kid. Mind you the amount of toxins a child gets from the other 1000000 things in life are actually dangerous but who cares lets worry about vaccines.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:04 | Report abuse |
  15. KidIndigo

    Anyone here seen a case of smallpox recently? Anyone? Bueller?

    April 19, 2012 at 21:12 | Report abuse | Reply
    • mary

      Uh, exactly why we don't vaccinate for smallpox, smarty pants. It's not like we vaccinate because it's FUN. Smallpox was erradicated decades ago, and shortly thereafter, the vaccine left the schedule.

      Your point...was not made.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:49 | Report abuse |
    • Bob Holly Jr.

      ...and then some "idiot*" had the bright idea to make smallpox in a lab. now it's a potential weapon. myself, and all of our deployed combat forces bear the vaccines mark.
      Small price to pay for not going the way of the American Indians...

      *the guy must have been smart as hell, but still an idiot

      April 19, 2012 at 22:35 | Report abuse |
    • Patrick

      No, someone did not "create" smallpox in a lab. A number of agencies (CDC, US Army, Russians, Chinese and other nations) kept stocks in storage for research use (among other things). It would be a bit naive to destroy all your stocks when some rouge state or group decides to release it and you have no sample to conduct vaccine trials with.
      Also, Samllpox is one of the few viruses that has humans as it's natural host. Hence why the eradication worked so well. Most other viruses can survive in other anaimal hosts. By eliminating it from humans you destroyed its resevoir

      April 19, 2012 at 23:03 | Report abuse |
    • DW

      The reason we could get rid of the smallpox vaccination was because humans were the only thing smallpox could live in.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:33 | Report abuse |
  16. KidIndigo

    Now... we can say, hey, smallpox vaccination (BTW, vaccination is based on Vaccinia, the virus class that causes smallpox) really WORKED, or, perhaps, it wasn't the vaccine at all that was responsible for eradicating a disease with a 20-50% mortality rate, all comers, OR... we can thank Tupperware. Or something else.

    April 19, 2012 at 21:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Patrick

      Samllpox eradication worked so well because it is one of the few viruses that has humans as it's natural host. Most other viruses can survive in other anaimal hosts, and do not have humans as their primary resevoir. By vaccination, we destroyed it's ability to exist in it's natural host, thus destroying it's resevoir and eliminating the disease. One of the very, very rare cases in Nature where a vaccine was so successful, but only because of the unique epidemiology of Smallpox

      April 19, 2012 at 23:06 | Report abuse |
  17. corntrader19

    Two words: Illegal immigrants. They sneak into the country and bring diseases with them.

    April 19, 2012 at 21:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • sbp

      Go back to the tea party site, where your ravings won't be considered trolling.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:21 | Report abuse |
    • Carla

      You mean like the Pilgrims did when they came to this country??? Be careful how you toss stones in this glass house of yours!

      April 19, 2012 at 21:22 | Report abuse |
    • Katherine

      Kind of like what the Europeans did to the American Indians a few hundred years ago??

      What an idiot you are. Maybe you should skip those vaccines and let evolution do its job.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:23 | Report abuse |
    • mary

      Wrong. Immigrants often are the first to stick out their arm to receive that needle. They've seen first hand what these diseases can do.
      The people you should be blaming are often white, upper-middle class and even college educated folk who say to themselves, "I'm smart. I'm educated. I can make this decision better than my doctor. I mean, I have GOOGLE for cyring out loud. Screw what the AAP says."

      April 19, 2012 at 21:47 | Report abuse |
    • AGuest9

      Well, mary, I've had my children vaccinated because I understand a bit about epidemiology. That doesn't mean that I haven't run into many more than a handful of doctors that I thought couldn't find themselves out of a paper bag, if necessary, though.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:57 | Report abuse |
    • mary

      Okay then. Scratch "doctor" and insert "CDC, AAP, WHO, and collective scientific organizations comprised of people much more educated in such matters than any single person alone, most especially, Dr. Sears."

      April 19, 2012 at 22:06 | Report abuse |
  18. Shandra

    Anti-vaxers = Ignorant Troublemakers

    April 19, 2012 at 21:43 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. mary

    As the mother of 3 young children, I am so outraged at this anti-vaccine hysteria. Scientific-minded mothers need to ban together and make it socially unacceptable for supersticious parents not to vaccinate their children. Ask your child's playmates' parents if they have been vaccinated. Voice your concerns to the school nurse, PTA and your representatives. I would be perfectly happy if all these unvaccinated kids were home schooled but they are not, they get waivers and come to school to infect my kids anyway. They are freeloading off of my effort to protect my kids as well as theirs and they are putting immunocompromised children at a huge risk of DEATH by being so stupid and selfish. End of story.

    April 19, 2012 at 21:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dr. B

      Amen, sister. I'm with you.

      April 19, 2012 at 21:47 | Report abuse |
    • Terra

      I could not agree more.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:24 | Report abuse |
    • Keith

      Are you serious...so which vaccine preventable disease did unvax'd kids spread to your vax'd kids at school? Idiot...

      April 19, 2012 at 22:36 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Yeah, it's serious, Keith. Vaccines don't prevent 100% of all diseases, dumbazz. Why don't you know that?

      April 19, 2012 at 22:47 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      There are always people who will still get the disease even if vaccinated; that is why it's called "herd immunity". You might want to look that up.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:49 | Report abuse |
    • AK

      So would you be less mad if a vax'd kid whose vax didn't work 100% gave it to your vax'd kid whose vax also didn't work 100%? The end result is the same, is it not? The chances of a vax'd kid and an unvax'd kid being exposed to the disease are exactly the same. Your theory however, is the vaccine limits "how bad" the symptoms are if they contract the disease. If we both agree that is true for argument's sake, then isn't it also true that the vax'd kid is still contagious 4 days before showing any symptoms (if he even shows symptoms, due to the vaccine), thus, spreading the disease without realizing it. Yet, no one is throwing stones at the vax'd kid. Vaccines are a personal choice, period. Please don't give me garbage about how you vaccinate because it is your civic duty. No parent does something to their child for the "greater good". We all do what we think is in the best interest of OUR OWN children. So if you vaccinate because you believe it will prevent them from suffering from a disease, great! If you don't because you want to prevent them from suffering from a REAL risk of a vaccine injury, GREAT! Life is made up of risks and benefits and it is our jobs as parent to weigh them for our children and make the decision we feel is best for them.

      April 20, 2012 at 15:36 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Idiot, the whole POINT of "herd immunity" is to reduce the number of people who will become infected. How do not understand that the more people are immune to the disease, the less chance anyone has of contracting it? God, how can anybody so stupid earn enough money to buy a computer?

      April 20, 2012 at 21:20 | Report abuse |
    • DW

      Your kids got the shots what are you afraid of?

      April 21, 2012 at 12:03 | Report abuse |
    • DW

      I send my kids to public school to get your kids sick!

      April 21, 2012 at 14:27 | Report abuse |
    • mary

      I second everything I Call BS wrote...I mean really if you don't know what we're talking about when we say "herd immunity" there's a freaking wikipedia page on it. Good lord the intentional ignorance on this can be so astounding.

      My point still stands: We as mothers must make non-vaccination a socially unacceptable state. I have begun asking everyone and everywhere about it simply to raise awareness that people care. I ask at the YMCA childwatch. I ask my babysitters. I ask at the MOMS club, and I intend to ask the future private schools I will be visiting (who I believe have the right to refuse nonvaxed kids). The point is, if nonvaxing parents think there is a potential social negetive to not vaccinating they might think twice if they know that not vaccinating may limit their kids' choices or affect their social consequences in the future. I for one will no longer be embarrassed to ask fellow mothers in playgroup, "Do you vaccinate?" Very simple. And you learn a lot (and may make a friend!).

      April 21, 2012 at 18:48 | Report abuse |
  20. Dr. B

    Insurance rates should be higher for parents who don't vaccinate. They are raising their risks, as well as others, so it makes $$ sense. I bet once it hits their pocketbooks they'll suddenly find a reason to vaccinate little Johnny.

    April 19, 2012 at 21:46 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DW

      Your kids I'll bet are sicker than mine! Your insurance should be higher, others kids are sick all the time! mine never miss a day, go figure.

      April 21, 2012 at 14:31 | Report abuse |
  21. Desiderius

    Alright everyone it's time to start over, lets all head back to the caves.

    April 19, 2012 at 21:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  22. AGuest9

    Thanks to all the Fundies!

    April 19, 2012 at 21:54 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. BigDogMom

    When my oldest daughter got her first rund of vaccines (and she got all of them, I was a concientious mother!) she went into seizures and developed encephalitis / brain swelling. It was absolutely terrifying. We spent the next several years working with a team of pediatric specialists and allergists trying to figure out safe ways tto vaccinae her, but almost every dose we tried to give her caused a reaction. Then some digging around turned up other family members on both sides of our family who have also had severe vaccine reactions. Eventually we had to stop giving her shots, because they were too dangerous for her, on the advice of our whole team of medical professionals.
    This basically NEVER happens, and I know it. I worked in schools for more than a decade, I have seen probably thousands of kids get their MMR and never have anything worse than a sore arm. It just happened that my kid got the short straw on severe allergic reactions with something in vaccine fixatives. Vaccines are a great useful gift that saves lives. You vaccinate your dog and cat, you should do as much for your children!
    SO. Any time there's an article like this, I feel like I have to speak up. Because I get so weary of seeing all the comments about how parents who don't vaccinate are stupid, and unethical, and abusing their children. Or the comments about how doctors are evil, and vaccines never harm anyone. There's a middle ground, folks. Sometimes, vaccines DO cause harm, and in those few cases it makes medical sense not to vaccinate. But those cases are very rare, and the vast majority of kids can and should be safely vaccinated to keep them healthy. Also, you don't know everyone's background so make sure you consider that before you judge. Thanks!

    April 19, 2012 at 21:55 | Report abuse | Reply
    • mary

      I don't think anyone would include you in the group of "stupid" unvaccinating parents. My problem is with people who believe in hysteria and supersticion rather than science. Obviously your decisions were based on science, hence that makes you quite "not stupid" in my opinion, and your child is one of the reasons I will continue to have mine vaccinated. What bothers me is ignorance and fear that result in preventable death. Your point is taken though.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:13 | Report abuse |
    • A

      No one is judging parents like you. We're judging the ones that decide not to vaccinate because they fear autism based on something a celebrity said. The herd immunity is still intact if every child that does not have the reactions of your daughter gets vaccinated, and hence your daughter should also be safe due to that herd immunity. Please don't feel personally insulted by comments on articles such as these. You did everything you could to try to get your daughter vaccinated. You are not the problem.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:09 | Report abuse |
    • DW

      It's called freedom of choice, welcome to America.

      April 21, 2012 at 14:33 | Report abuse |
  24. RS

    The United States has a high vaccination rate of over90 percent for the measles, so what the heck is the matter with those vaccines?

    April 19, 2012 at 21:59 | Report abuse | Reply
    • mary

      First: The vaccine will not result in seroconversion for everyone.

      Second: You are taking an average of an entire country and applying it at a local level which doesn't make practical sense. There are many areas/cities in the country that have vaccination rates as low as 60%. Throw in a few of those who got the vaccine and didn't seroconvert and all of the sudden half of the population is susceptible. That's a recipe for a big outbreak.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:16 | Report abuse |
    • Terra

      Efficacy of the vaccine is on average -95%. There are always going to be people who do not get full benefit based on some genetic factors although very few. In 2008 91% of reported cases were in unvaccinated people. So, there is nothing wrong with the vaccine.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:19 | Report abuse |
    • Terra

      And vaccination rates have gone down in recent years due to all the autism hype. You also have to think about immigrant populations that may live in small clusters in the US and have not been vaccinated either.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:21 | Report abuse |
    • A

      My county has a vaccination rate of only 60%. As others mentioned, there is nothing wrong with the vaccines, only the lack of use of said vaccines. I'm very happy I was vaccinated, because there's been whooping cough and TB outbreaks around here lately. Here's hoping my genetics don't play against me.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:13 | Report abuse |
  25. Wes

    You can thank all the foreign kids who come here after immunization age (of course they weren't immunized back in mohammedstan), and then the large groups of these same invaders that refuse on religious grounds.

    April 19, 2012 at 22:01 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. phenoy

    I bet 100 bux that those kids with measles have Teaparty/GOP parents who don't believe in vaccinations..

    April 19, 2012 at 22:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • HenkV

      You forgot to blame George Bush. Please correct your post.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:32 | Report abuse |
    • serdich

      Bush is obsolete...Bachmann is to blame...

      April 19, 2012 at 22:37 | Report abuse |
    • vuffypulva

      There are idiots on both sides of the political spectrum refusing vaccines... just for different reasons. Teabaggers refuse because they believe individual liberty gives them the right to turn their spawn into disease vectors, or because they believe wingbat Evil Gub'ment/Big Pharma conspiracy theories. Moonbat far-leftists refuse because "it's not natural" for their special little indigo-crystal-homeopath child's misaligned chakras, or whatever faux-Eastern drivel they heard from their favorite braindead celebrity spokesperson on Oprah.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:27 | Report abuse |
    • ned

      Actually, educated people (more likely to be liberal) are more likely to not vaccinate. The highest rates of vaccination are in the South. It's speculated that that is because educated people think they know more than the true experts, even though they're not scientists.

      April 20, 2012 at 02:00 | Report abuse |
  27. Terra

    I cannot believe we are still having a debate about vaccines. Outbreaks of a lot of vaccine preventable diseases are popping up because people are choosing to not vaccinate on the basis of some very bad, downright deceptive research. Outbreaks of measles, pertussis, and mumps have been happening. I think we obviously have forgotten the time when vaccines were not available and children died regularly of some of these things.

    April 19, 2012 at 22:09 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. smthnice

    I read all of the comments on here against people who don't vaccinate according to the AAP recommendations and to be honest it's just annoying. People can disagree with the recommendations and they can choose a different thing for their children. Is it the "right" thing to do? Time will tell. Every decision parents have to make for their children is difficult and comes with consequences one way or the other. The only real way to have peace of mind is to research for oneself everything they put into their child. If risk outweighs benefit, go for it. Otherwise you do your thing, and let other people do theirs. I kept my children as sheltered as possible for the first year of their lives. I requested well checks where I could walk in and into a well room vs sitting in the waiting room with other sick kids. Parents have to protect their children and though there are times when you have to go out with them, you can do a lot to protect them when they are young. Honestly, railing against people for their choices isn't going to change anything.

    April 19, 2012 at 22:28 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      If by 'railing' you mean heaping scorn on people who are ignorant about vaccines and their efficacy and safety, too bad if you think it's not effective. I'm going to do it anyway, because such morons deserve it in spades. They are endangering others through their ignorance. If they don't like being ridiculed, they can lump it.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:34 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Oh, yeah, and I don't give two sh!ts if it 'annoys' you, dear. Get over it or quite reading comments on these boards.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:35 | Report abuse |
    • serdich

      Unvaccinated kids are like ..a biohazard..keep them away from my kids. Vaccines work but nothing in Nature is 100%..

      April 19, 2012 at 22:35 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      Just an FYI sheltering your child is one of the main theories currently for why we have had such an uptick in autoimmune disorders. By kids not playing outside, not interacting with other kids, etc, you effectively decrease the amount of stuff the immune system has to respond to. Because of this they believe the immune system has to fight something and it ends up fighting itself. Hence why there is a very low autoimmune rate in undeveloped countries.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:32 | Report abuse |
    • DW

      serdich, vaccines work maybe 50% that's why you are afraid of my kids. Nature works 100% of the time life time immunity!!

      April 21, 2012 at 14:41 | Report abuse |
  29. serdich

    Anti-vaccine people are dangerous to society and must isolated..gradually they will die out from various diseases....you know natural selection..the one with protective immunity will survive. Lets hope that there is no viable smallpox in some forgotten scientific fridge or an old corpse or mummy...

    April 19, 2012 at 22:32 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob Holly Jr.

      worse, it's been weaponized.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:47 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      If I recall correctly there are two sources left. One is possessed by the US government and one is somewhere in Siberia under Russian control. Either way I wouldn't worry about it, you have a lot of other agents that are just as deadly that are far easier to obtain.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:36 | Report abuse |
    • Clair

      Well that's not going to happen. Vaccines are a pretty new thing and somehow we're all still here overpopulating the planet every day. More than likely all these vaccines will cause a new super bug to develop because Nature will find away around the current vaccines and the people who have been vaccinated will get it! Just watch! Nature has jokes like that.

      April 20, 2012 at 05:16 | Report abuse |
  30. RS

    Remember when the measles was an ordinary childhood disease? The threat wasn't exaggerated like it is today and measles certainly didn't make headline news.

    12:13 of this Brady Bunch video – Greg and Marcia converse about having the measles:

    Greg: "Boy this is the life isn't it?"

    Marcia's response: "If you have to get sick you sure can't beat the measles."


    April 19, 2012 at 22:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • I call BS

      Oh, gosh, if it was on "THE BRADY BUNCH" it MUST be true!!! Why don't all the doctors and scientists SEE that???

      Moron, kids have suffered death from the measles for eons. They've become deaf because of it, you idiot.

      What the hell is wrong with you?

      April 19, 2012 at 22:44 | Report abuse |
    • RS

      @I call BS: I grew up in the sixties and this is actually the way it was; no one ever made a big deal over the measles! The just have you young sheep fulled. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!

      April 19, 2012 at 22:49 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Listen, you azzwipe: I grew up in the sixties, too, and I know someone who had the measles–she's profoundly deaf as a result.

      You're a moron.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:51 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      You might want to get a GED, witless. "Fulled" isn't a word. I don't take medical advice from illiterate dolts.

      April 19, 2012 at 22:52 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      I love it when idiots like RS pretend that childhood diseases were "no big deal". Do buffoons like that REALLY think that had there BEEN a vaccine available, our parents wouldn't have had us get it? As if. They'd have done it in a heartbeat. They remembered polio. They had family members who had or knew someone who'd had polio. They had great aunts who'd died of measles.

      Too bad ignorance isn't preventable by vaccine. Oh, wait, it is. The "vaccine" is "education."

      April 19, 2012 at 22:57 | Report abuse |
    • RS

      @I call BS: Yeah and I know someone who had the MMR vaccine and as a result they now have vaccine induced brain damage.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:00 | Report abuse |
    • wemustdissent

      Really RS? That was the diagnosis? The doctor said to them "I'm afraid you have vaccine induced brain damage." Thats what you are telling me, thats what a Doctor said...not what someone else said, not a fear or a correlation made causation by fear. A doctor told this person a vaccine caused brain damage? Has said doctor heard of the blood brain barrier out of curiosity? Does that doctor realize that the immune system does not enter your brain? How exactly does a vaccine cause brain damage?

      April 19, 2012 at 23:10 | Report abuse |
    • Terra

      873,000 deaths from measles globally in year 1999 alone.
      173,000 deaths in 2000

      has been brought down to 164,000 as of 2008 thanks to vaccination programs

      Before the vaccine was implemented in the US, almost everyone got the disease, 450 children died of it every year, and 20% who got measles were hospitalized

      So... Measles IS and big deal,, not only in looking at preventable deaths but in preventable cost associated with health care. it is both and important a public health issue and a personal health issue. Ask any parent of a child who has contracted it and died.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:15 | Report abuse |
    • Terra

      that was 773,000 deaths in 2000

      April 20, 2012 at 00:16 | Report abuse |
    • I call BS

      Funny how RS ran away when confronted with his lie.

      April 20, 2012 at 21:22 | Report abuse |
  31. Biggest Fish in the Smallest Pond

    My concern with vaccines is that the federal government passed a law giving vaccine manufacturers (big pharma, middle pharma, small and scappy pharma, etc.) civil immunity if their medications screws up my child. Because you cannot sue the manufacturers if a vaccine is found to be harmful, where is the motivation that will keep the companies careful in their production? Why would they be incentivized to remove toxic substances, when they have been given a free pass? That is very concerning to me.

    April 19, 2012 at 22:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      Really simple answer why, because if they didn't there would be no vaccines because the companies wouldn't want to pay for the lawyers to constantly fight lawsuits over frivolous or not, vaccines which really aren't that profitable for most companies. For instance for MRR they make less that than 68 milllion a year revenue on that vaccine. Its an 18 dollar vaccine for the full course. Lets just say 5 lawsuits were for successful for injuries caused by the administration, seizure or whatever, since it does happen sometimes nothing is perfect. Well just 5 lawsuits would most likely be well over there revenue let alone their profit, so there would be no reason for them to make it since it would be a complete money loser. That's the reason why it had to be done there is no real middle ground there. Now the real reason why they have all the desire in the world not to make it dangerous, Merck who makes it is a huge company with a whole bunch of drugs, 40 billion in revenue. Lets say they didn't care and did something stupid and it injured or killed 10 percent of the people they gave it to one year, what do you think will be the response to the other drugs they make? Most likely very negative and their whole business will suffer. Businesses don't want to make bad products because it ruins their brand image, if their image is ruined they will start losing money and eventually either go out of business or become a shadow of their former company. None of which anyone working there wants.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:46 | Report abuse |
    • DW

      Grant, do you seriously believe that?

      April 21, 2012 at 12:08 | Report abuse |
  32. kki

    With all the foreign nationals coming here illegal or legal where their countries don't vaccinate its no wonder there is not a national emergency. I think all people here must be forced into forced vaccinations like it or not.

    April 19, 2012 at 22:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. Ellen Whitren

    Indeed, I had measles when I was 12 (1973). I remember half of the school was sick with measles, nobody died. I have never had measles vaccine.

    April 19, 2012 at 23:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      You know its really easy to use google and look up stats instead of using yourself as a case study which is basically the lowest level of scientific evidence when making a treatment decision. The death rate in 1973-1976 was 1 in 1000 for people who contracted the disease. in 2011 there were zero deaths from measles, world wide there were 186,000. Zero is better than 1/1000 and zero is also better than the 186000 worldwide.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:56 | Report abuse |
  34. Darlene Buckingham

    If a person is vaccinated I don't understand how a person who is not vaccinated is a threat? Does the vaccine not mean you will not catch the disease? How can a vaccinated person catch a disease from an unvaccinated person? This does not make sense.

    April 19, 2012 at 23:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      You're not a threat to a vaccinated person, however like the other poster said there are plenty of people who are too young to be vaccinated, those with allergic reactions, plenty of people have diseases that either inhibit or destroy their immune system, for instance anyone who is on chemotherapy, which is a ton of people. The problem with saying well who cares if they're vaccinated i'm fine. Well yes you may be but you are putting a large number of people at risk. There is also the concept of herd immunity where if you have a certain number of people vaccinated in a community its effective enough to kill transmission to any other individuals. The problem is with people not vaccinating now this is dropping below the 95percentish threshold required so these diseases that people who weren't vaccinated weren't getting before are starting to reappear. So when people say they are fine and they never were vaccinated, that may have been true 10 years ago but the trend currently is that heard immunity will no longer protect the unvaccinated.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:17 | Report abuse |
    • Terra

      yes Grant great points! I just wanted to add that with every vaccine there are a small number of people who will not gain immunity via the vaccine because of some genetic reasons. They rely on herd immunity for their protection as well.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:23 | Report abuse |
  35. VACINATE !!!!

    @Darlene Buckingham, small children not old enough to be vacinated are left at risk. People with weakend amune system are put at risk. Pregnant womans unborn children are put at risk. Measles can and does kill. The most vulnerable of us.

    April 19, 2012 at 23:09 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. RS

    Six Times More Measles Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reports Than Measles Cases in 2011


    April 19, 2012 at 23:16 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      I'm going to go run i'll be back to battle this twisted stat in awhile.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:19 | Report abuse |
    • RS

      There have been 698 FDA Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reports related to MMR, MMRV (MMR plus varicella) and measles vaccines in 2011 — including 4 deaths and 280 emergency room visits. 698 VAERS reports are almost six times more than the number of measles cases.

      April 19, 2012 at 23:19 | Report abuse |
    • D

      The problem with this report is that it is misleading in what data VAERS collects. This is from the VEAERS website:

      "VAERS seeks reports of any clinically significant medical event that occurs after vaccination, even if the reporter cannot be certain that the event was caused by the vaccine. CDC/ISO and FDA review adverse reports; VAERS has identified important signals that after further research resulted in changes to vaccine recommendations. VAERS encourages the reporting of any clinically significant adverse event that occurs after the administration of any vaccine licensed in the United States. You should report adverse events even if you are unsure whether a vaccine caused the event." (http://vaers.hhs.gov/about/faqs)

      In other words, the specific examples listed in the article don't indicate that the vaccination was the cause, only that the vaccination happened within some number of days before hand. The article would have you believe that there's a causal link between the vaccination and every event that VAERS reports on. This is clearly not the case.

      April 20, 2012 at 00:07 | Report abuse |
    • Terra

      450-500 deaths per year in the US due to measles before vaccination available
      Mumps major cause of childhood hearing loss before vaccine was available
      1964 Rubella outbreak int he us resulted in 2100 baby deaths, 11,000 miscarriages, and over half of the babies born with it were either blind or deaf.

      And furthermore, deaths reportable to VEERS are not necessarily tied to the vaccine. Any death that is within a certain time frame after a vaccine is reportable even if it was a car accident. Food for thought.
      The term :adverse event" is a very broad term and includes mild tenderness at injection site. I prefer that to death, blindness, and deafness, don't you?

      April 20, 2012 at 00:32 | Report abuse |
    • Grant

      Told you I'd be back..... First I'll give you the real stat that this article fails to give, 0.00007 percent that risk of an emergency department visit after receiving the vaccine. Now lets go over the two most common known symptoms experienced by giving the vaccine. 1 in 6 will get a fever, what is the number one emergency department visit cause, fever, second a rash 1/20, the 5th most common reason to visit to the ED. So really I don't find it odd that some of the kids went to the ERNow have you ever been in a pediatric ED and see what a lot of parents bring their kids in for? I'll call this the synergistic effect; hyperworried parent, physician who says call me if they have these symptoms, parents normally seeing their kids in the evening more than during the day, family doctors office closed and what do you get everyone going to ED. I'm actually shocked this visit rate to the ED is that low, I would have assumed an ED visit would have a higher probability anyways just by luck of the vaccine date and the accident proneness of kids.

      April 20, 2012 at 02:14 | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      The "science" behind this is sooooo flawed. Just think of how many more cases of measels there would be if no one got vaccinated. As far as autism being caused by vaccines, the article states that autistic children have symptoms like encephalitis, meningitis, seizures before they "develop" autism. That was NOT the case with my autistic boys. Autistic kids are born that way. There is just so much more known about it now than there was 30 years ago that it is much easier to identify. As an adult, just a few years ago, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Disorder. Things would have been much easier for me if I had been diagnosed as a child. Thankfully, now there is much more known about autism. People were autistic long before vaccines were invented, but no one knew what it was then.

      April 20, 2012 at 09:40 | Report abuse |
  37. Nick

    Doctor Wakefield, your place in history is secure. You perpetrated perhaps the greatest medical fraud ever instigated. The damage to public health you caused may take a generation to undo.

    People will remember you...
    Science and the medical field will remember your deeds as a painful cautionary lesson...

    April 19, 2012 at 23:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. qwerty1

    This is what happens when you let nutjob parents destroy our herd immunity.

    April 19, 2012 at 23:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DW

      Everyone dies Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Sheep are scared from all the propaganda from pharma companies!!

      April 21, 2012 at 14:48 | Report abuse |
  39. spynnal

    Vaccines have helped eliminate ot minimize some very serious illnesses. I've been vaccinated against a number of things, and approve of them.

    But, at one point, they did contain mercury, and they weren't very forthcoming about it. It is good to doubt and question. If you don't, things will not evolve forward.

    April 19, 2012 at 23:38 | Report abuse | Reply
  40. Donna

    This is what happens when a bunch of yuppie moms start thinking they have the 'right' to not vaccinate their children. What they fail to see or refuse to understand is that by their own stupidity and/or total ignorance, they not only put their own childrens life and health at risk but that of every child that he/she comes into contact with.

    April 20, 2012 at 00:05 | Report abuse | Reply
  41. Dez

    I think people automatically jump on the autism bandwagon when citing the concerns of parents who choose not to vaccinate or delay/space vaccinations. However, there are other problems with vaccines that no one seems to talk about. There was the DPT shot that has been linked with causing brain damage, as well as the rotavirus vaccine that caused intestinal obstruction. While I know that these vaccines have been "fixed", with the acellular DTaP and a new version of the rotavirus vaccine, the fact remains that these vaccines did in fact cause harm. My concern lies with the safety of vaccines, not necessarily autism. In addition, there have been studies proving that breastfed babies almost NEVER contract rotavirus, yet they are routinely given this vaccine without being told this important piece of information. Finally, it seems that the vaccine schedule is completely out of control. Why are we vaccinating newborns for Hep B? Because they will likely be exposed to it? Why are we vaccinating 9 year old girls for HPV who are NOT sexually active? From what I have read,(and you can feel free to correct me) the effectiveness of this vaccine wears off before the child would even become sexually active. It just seems like there is more to it than having a child's best interests at heart.

    April 20, 2012 at 00:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      I'll try to hit all these, first vaccine safety is of course important, but cherry picking vaccines because some have problems is pretty silly. Sometimes you just don't know if something will happen to you administer it to a large population. Fear of being wrong can't override the probability you're not. I encourage you to read the process drugs/vaccines must go through to even get to the point where they are administered to the public. It's a huge process and not easy for it to get approved, so yes it is horrible when something goes wrong but the successes far outweigh the risks. Think off all the people who died 50-100 years ago in surgery which we consider simple now today. Its the same thing either we accept our current level of health as good enough or we strive to achieve more. I'm not okay with the former and hopefully you can understand why, if you can't look at the average lifespan in 1900 for instance, it was 48. We can't be scared to fail every once in awhile, because if we are then our fail rate is 100 percent because we didn't even try.

      As far as rotovirus is concerned your information really is not accurate. Here is a journal article you can google "Breast-Feeding and the Risk of Life-Threatening Rotavirus Diarrhea: Prevention or Postponement?" by J. Clemens, et. al. The article showed that during the first year of life breast feeding decreases the risk of contracting rotovirus but doesn't eliminate it the relative risk ratio is .1 so basically for every 10 non-breast fed babies who contract rotovirus 1 breast fed will. Thats actually a really poor outcome. Furthermore the study goes on to say in the second year of life the odds ratio actually goes in favor towards the non-breast fed babies. Now for every 10 babies who don't breast feed and contact the disease 28.5 breast fed would. Now if you have other studies that show the opposite I would love to read them but from this study I don't see why you would not want the vaccine.

      Hep B – Why as a baby, if they contract the disease when younger it can very serious. Its contracted by blood so although you may not have HepB if somehow a child your child played with had it for instance at daycare they could contract it. This is more likely because it doesn't produce symptoms in kids. Finally its a long term vaccine so getting it now to be safe will protect them even when older. Furthermore the main source of the virus is humans so its very likely we could eliminate the disease from the population with proper vaccination

      HPV – Gardasil can be administered as early as 9 but 11 to 12 is the normal. There is not a ton of research out on it for long term protection since it is relatively new but what I can find says 96-100 percent effective at 5 years out. They aren't sure on a booster yet like I said its pretty early still. 9 I would think would be pretty early, 11 and 12 I can see since that is almost high school which is normally when more high risk behaviors start to begin.

      If you have any more questions feel free.

      April 20, 2012 at 01:42 | Report abuse |
  42. Laura

    We have had a fairly large outbreak in Quebec, Canada ongoing for the past year. 776 cases from April 2011-March 2012. The majority of cases were at one school that had a vaccination rate of 85%. The vaccination rate does not have to fall very far for an outbreak to occur...

    April 20, 2012 at 00:31 | Report abuse | Reply
  43. Synapse

    No linkage to autism... right up there with "everyone's gluten intolerant" or- "one of your legs is shorter than the other, you need orthotics and regular spine adjustments." Oh yeah- AND... "we've done tests, and you need Human Growth Hormone injections." Quack science.

    April 20, 2012 at 00:39 | Report abuse | Reply
  44. C.K. Brechin

    Reblogged this on .

    April 20, 2012 at 00:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  45. BBoh

    Quit being so selfish you "anti-vaccine" parents and get your kids immunized! Vaccines do just as much for public health, if not more, than as for personal health. Less people vaccinated in a population = increased chance for mutation = increased disease and deaths!!! It's called the 'herd effect'...do us all a favor and vaccinate!

    April 20, 2012 at 01:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DW

      No thanks, have one for me.

      April 21, 2012 at 12:14 | Report abuse |
  46. t0tesmuhg0tes

    ok, so I have to put my two cents in as a mother of a baby who is a month away from getting her first round of vaccinations. First Ill comment on the whole " Drs are going to do whats right for our kids"....Yes, I do believe in general our pediatritians are out to do whats best for our kids, but you have to remember that they have to follow guidelines. If they dont recommend vaccinations do you really think they are going to be able to keep their jobs? Their medical system isnt going to be ok with them proactively not vaccinating patients. Also, I do understand that vaccines have kept serious diseases from affecting our population and they DO have a purpose. So, yes its not that vaccines are bad, but that some of us have concerns about the ingredients that are in them. For those of us who are putting the time into actually reading up on the subject ( and not just shooting off our mouths with opinions that have little to no merit) the cocncern comes down to side effects caused by each vaccine, whether multiple vaccines in one visit are amplifying the effects and for me especially, I am concerned about the levels of Aluminum found in each vaccine. For example, the FDA has stated that 30 micrograms per day is a safe amount of aluminum for a 2 month old healthy child. depending on the brands of vaccines given, a child could be getting as much 1225 micrograms in one day from being given 4 vaccines during their visit. This is a level far beyond which is recommended and aluminum toxicity has been proven to cause neurological effects. Basically, there IS a reason to be concerned about vaccines and as to why there arent studies out there that can show a link between vaccines and problems like autism is because who would fund it when big pharma is in the goverments back pocket and if a problem is shown with vaccines then big pharma loses money and you know someone is getting paid to make sure that does not happen. So yes vaccines are needed, but there are also reasons to be concerned. There is no wrong choice and I think people need to be more open minded. Personally, I will be vaccinating my child but I will be spreading out her schedule so that she only gets one aluminum containing vaccine per visit. I feel this is the best way to protect her both from harmful diseases and from any potential long term effects that coud result from vaccines.

    April 20, 2012 at 01:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      Aluminum toxicity – first you're talking about something is remarkably rare, in addition it normally only occurs in renal compromised individuals which the baby wouldn't be most likely. Furthermore you need to work on your units and conversions. Some do contain 1250 micrograms but the FDA limits the max vaccine exposure of aluminum to 4.225 milligrams over the first year, which by the way is almost 6mg shy of the 10mg they receive if they are breast fed for the first 6 months. Its great that you're putting in the time to read and I commend that but you really need to understand what you're reading for it to be effective. I'm not meaning that in a degrading way but understanding of these concepts isn't a lets google stuff a few times a week on the subject. It is why it takes 11+ years to become a non-resident physician once you start undergrad.

      As far as studies, you're completely incorrect, there have been studies across the world on this subject. They have removed ever single possible ingredient, they have spaced the doses, separated the vaccine into the three components and it always comes out the same. There is no correlation. If you think that scientists just wake up and go well hmm i'm going to mess with the results of this study today you have a complete lack of understanding of the honor of doing things right. You can complain about pharmacy companies being in their back pocket but then you wouldn't understand the funding process. Nor would you have a grasp on why they would do the studies in the first place. The goal of doing the studies is not to try to link autism to the vaccine the goal of the studies is to find the cause of autism so it can be treated. Physicians and scientists are wasting their time going oh I'm gonna prove once and for all there is no link to autism. They are saying we have autism as a disease, lets start ruling in and ruling out causes for it. So they have been working around the world in private labs and universities trying to determine what the cause is. It would be impossible and stupid for Merck to try to pay off every scientist working on this because I can assure you someone would report it and it Merck would be in deep trouble. There is no logic at all to your comment i'm sorry but Merck is not paying off every scientist and physician working on this to say the vaccine is ok.

      April 20, 2012 at 02:55 | Report abuse |
  47. vuffypulva

    Another reason the "big pharma" conspiracy theory is ridiculous: vaccines are not very profitable. They're typically sold at barely over cost; vaccines make up a tiny, tiny sliver of the typical pharmaceutical company's profits. Most of their profits come from long-term prescriptions for chronic illness. In fact, selling drugs to treat measles, rubella, etc would be VASTLY more profitable than any vaccine.

    I find it quite disgusting how conspiracy theorists with a Youtube and whale.to education fling ignorant, nasty accusations against millions of professionals who worked very hard to get where they are, and could have chosen easier, much less stressful careers instead of spending their lives helping people. Well... trying to, at least. Still haven't found a cure for ignorant paranoia.

    April 20, 2012 at 02:11 | Report abuse | Reply
  48. Nicole

    The research on autism shows that there may be several factors involved including pre-natal fetal brain exposures which include anti-bodies from mothers found to be higher in children with autism. Directly quoted from the abstract: Data support a possible complex association between genetic/metabolic/environmental factors and the placental transfer of maternal antibodies in autism; link:http://pediatricbioscience.com/publications/pdf/Pub4.pdf
    Another recent study done on twins with autism indicates a strong genetic link, as well as environmental factors; here is the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/health/research/05autism.html

    You do the research. There is so much information out there. I think am important goal should be to help women to be healthier and catch auto-immune responses early so they do not have the potential to alter the brains of their developing fetus. I practice functional medicine,and the immune response is so important in every aspect of health.

    April 20, 2012 at 02:17 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Grant

      The problem with this Nicole is that how many people are capable of reading a scientific paper on the subject without googling every 5-10 words. I'm not talking down to people but it would be like me trying to read a law decision by the supreme court, I have no background in law and I most likely wouldn't understand it even if I could get through it. Especially when it comes to genetics. How many people could you really go up to on the street and start a conversation, about recombination, transposons, excision repair, terminal repeats etc. The gap in scientific knowledge is huge and its hard to explain some of these things without some background.

      April 20, 2012 at 03:03 | Report abuse |
  49. Eli

    I see a lot of arguments in the comments, so let me just skip right over them: there is zero reputable evidence to even suggest that vaccines or any of their modern-day "ingredients" cause autism. Zero. The only paper that has ever found a link was a fraud and has since been retracted. Modern society depends upon herd immunity. Vaccinate your children. Do not put other people's children at risk.

    April 20, 2012 at 02:25 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DW

      I love the fact that you don't know what causes autism, but I know for sure it's not shots. Really!

      April 21, 2012 at 12:18 | Report abuse |
  50. Great

    Good job psycho moms. You brought back eradicated diseases because of your irrational fears.

    April 20, 2012 at 02:33 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DW

      No eradicated diseases have been brought back, reread please!

      April 21, 2012 at 12:20 | Report abuse |
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