The '5 S's': Easing baby pain after vaccine shots
The "5S's" include swaddling (tightly wrapping a baby in a blanket almost like a burrito) and a side/stomach position such as this.
April 16th, 2012
12:01 AM ET

The '5 S's': Easing baby pain after vaccine shots

For most parents -  even the strongest believers in the benefits of vaccines - anticipating how their newborns' facial expressions will turn from curious to shock before they burst into tears from the needle stick, can make the next well-baby check-up something they would love to skip.

But doctors at Children's Hospital of the King's Daughters in Norfolk, Virginia, have found an easy way - actually five easy ways - to help calm a baby's pain (and anxiety), without any medication.

It's called the "5 S's":  swaddling (tightly wrapping a baby in a blanket almost like a burrito), side/stomach position, shushing sounds, swinging and sucking.

If babies were doing four out of five of these "S's," they would usually stop crying within 45 seconds after the shot, according to a new study published in the journal Pediatrics.

Parents aren't the only ones who are concerned about the pain babies feel when they get vaccine shots. Doctors and nurses - the ones sticking the needles into the little babies - are too.

In the past, doctors would recommend giving an infant some baby Tylenol or Advil, to prevent any possible fever from developing and also to provide pain relief.  But that changed a few years ago when a study, published in the medical journal The Lancet,  found  that giving acetaminophen (the main ingredient in Tylenol) before or after vaccination actually made the vaccine less effective because fewer antibodies were produced.

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Breastfeeding can help reduce pain and calm a child because it gives the infant comforting skin-to-skin contact and  distracts the child. Also, mother's milk contains sugar which is known to have pain-relieving effects.  However, if a mother is no longer breastfeeding or uncomfortable doing so in a pediatrician's exam room, that's not really an option.

So the standard of care for helping reduce pain stemming from vaccinations or circumcision or drawing blood has been sugar.

"A lot of neonatologists use sugar for a painful procedure," says lead study author Dr. John Harrington. "It's poor medicine not to give sugar before medical procedures because it does work."

On the other hand Harrington, who is a pediatrician at Children's Hospital of the King's Daughters, says if children keep getting sugar to help relieve pain, that doesn't help alleviate the obesity problem we have today.

So Harrington was searching for something that would provide a pain-relief alternative.  A guest lecture given by Dr. Harvey Karp, creator of the DVD and book "The Happiest Baby on the Block" gave him the idea for his study.

Karp had found that when parents use the "5 S's" it triggers a calming reflex in the baby.  Harrington knew many parents found this method to be helpful with colicky babies, so he decided to see how it would work when giving vaccinations in his clinic.

He devised a trial with 230 healthy infants who came to his clinic for regular check-ups at 2- and 4-months of age.  They were divided into four groups:  One group was given 2 millilitres of water  2 minutes before getting the vaccine.

The second group was given 2 millilitres of sugar-water.

The third group was only given the "5 S's" after the shot.

And the last group was given 2 millilitres of sugar-water before the shot and the "5 S's" after the vaccination.

At least four of the "5 S's" had to be completed (babies were not always able to suck on a pacifier because they were either crying too hard, already calming down or unfamiliar with a pacifier.

Harrington and his team thought the sugar solution plus the physical intervention using the "5 S's" would be most effective.  The study authors reported that "the pain scores and crying time in the group of physical intervention alone were essentially identical and sometimes even lower than the physical intervention with sucrose group."

Harrington says the babies who only received the sugar solution were still crying 2 minutes after getting the shot.  But most of the babies who got the physical intervention stopped crying by 45 seconds.

"By a minute [following the shot], nobody was crying or making any sort of fuss at all," he says.

Dr. Karp wasn't involved in the study but he says this research shows the that the "5 S's" are twice as effective as sugar, which has been the gold standard up until now.  But he believes Harrington's study actually underestimates the effectiveness of the "5 S's" because the sugar-water is given 2 minutes before the shot and the swaddling and swinging etc. didn't begin until 15 to 30 seconds after the shot.

Karp recommends doctors swaddle the baby before the procedure and just leave the legs exposed (that's where the injections in young babies are made), thus triggering the calming reflex before the procedure.  He also recommends doctors have a white-noise CD on before the shot is given.  "That will give a much faster [calming] response," says Karp.  He says white noise is as important as swaddling when it comes to triggering an infants calming reflex and should be used until the baby's first birthday.

This is the second study that shows how the "5 S's" help babies, says Karp. "A 2011 Penn State report found the '5 S’s' helped increase infant sleep and reduce infant obesity."

The study authors acknowledge they tested their hypothesis on more 2-month olds than 4-month olds.  They attribute that to parents being so amazed by the calming effects of swaddling etc. when they came in for the 2-month check-up, they then asked to learn how to do it themselves.  Therefore the number of parents in the test group who didn't use the "5 S's" to calm their babies at the next (4-month) visit was very small.  Harrington acknowledges that more research needs to be done to validate his study, but the results show you don't need a spoon full of sugar to get a vaccination because using the "5 S's" is more effective.

The real benefit, he says, is that "the parents had learned that they could soothe their child without giving their child sugar or giving medicine."

If this leads to less stress and anxiety at doctors visits, that doesn't hurt either.

soundoff (1,997 Responses)
  1. ben

    I like how this guy is holding the newborn like a machine gun.

    April 16, 2012 at 00:53 | Report abuse | Reply

      I have a loaded baby and I am not afraid to use it!
      NOW, Gimme all your money!

      April 17, 2012 at 09:34 | Report abuse |
    • Flory

      Say hello to my little friend 🙂

      April 17, 2012 at 15:06 | Report abuse |
  2. amy

    How to keep a baby calm while injecting known neurological toxins into it's undeveloped immune system. Awesome.

    April 16, 2012 at 08:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Fee

      yeah really....

      April 16, 2012 at 09:15 | Report abuse |
    • Cleopatra1981


      April 16, 2012 at 09:57 | Report abuse |
    • Au natural

      MMR lately? You're a candidate, you know.

      April 16, 2012 at 09:58 | Report abuse |
    • NJBob

      You are ill-informed.

      April 16, 2012 at 10:17 | Report abuse |
    • Michael M.

      Undeveloped immune system? Uh, the entire point of the immune system is to learn young.

      For the first little while out of the womb the child actually carries the mother's immune system. Once the Thymus begins producing adequate T-Cells and the progenitor cells in the bones begin producing adequate B-Cells, the immune system is ready to learn, and it's ready to do these things very, very early.

      If it didn't, most children would die within a few years.

      Of course, you can tell me what's easier for a child's immune system to handle: A dead version of a nasty bug that can't actually infect the kid, or the real version because the parent missed the immunization calendar. Hint: One of these results in crippling disabilities, the other results in the kid getting sugar whilst a white noise machine plays.

      April 16, 2012 at 10:57 | Report abuse |
    • JB

      Michael- the "entire point of the immune system is to learn young" is a pretty broad and not real accurate statement. While you may make some valid detail points, putting "it" all together, thoughtfully considering efficacy and contraindications hardly uncovers a slam dunk, rock solid science based conclusion that people who question such things are engaging in misinformation. Sure, people and science are found to be wrong all the time. No one really knows 100% for sure what other effects vaccines may have on any one individual aside from developing the desired immune response. Do we find it curious that there are dozens of advertised serious side effects for the meds advertised on TV, but well meaning public health officials claim vaccines have very few or none? We should. Vaccines are miracles of medicine that can be dangerous and should be studied more and improved if at all possible. What's the big argument? Drama:(

      April 16, 2012 at 11:27 | Report abuse |
    • Lori

      do some real research people. do you know how many kids/people used to DIE from things like Polio, Pertussis, Measles, even Varicella (chicken pox). Mortality had been GREATLY decreased by vaccines. They are a miracle of science. You gonna go drink water out of the lake because the chemicals they put in the water to clean it could possibly be harmfuL?? I don't think so. No science is perfect but vaccines sure do come close. Ask a doctor who worked in an ER about 50 years ago and they'll give you an earful.

      April 16, 2012 at 14:01 | Report abuse |
    • DC

      There is more "neurologic toxin" in your can of tuna than in all of the vaccines combined.....

      April 16, 2012 at 14:19 | Report abuse |
    • Eduardo Hilldebrand

      A better definition would be lifesaving boost to the immune system to help ward off deadly illnesses. Your previous statement has absolutely no basis in fact.

      April 16, 2012 at 15:06 | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      It's people like you who are putting my child at risk by questioning vaccination. We had several deadly childhood diseases BEATEN until mothers decided that they knew more than doctors who have spent decades studying these things. Now my child will run the risk of picking up these things because you think you're superior. Thanks for setting the medical clock back by 30 years.

      April 16, 2012 at 15:45 | Report abuse |
    • L

      For all of the people that so easily will allow someone to inject something foreign into their infants body consider the following. How many drugs, on a weekly basis, do you hear that are being recalled and manufacturers sued? Now contrast that with vaccines. Either they are the most perfect things created since slice bread or someone is not giving us the full picture. I vote the latter.

      April 16, 2012 at 17:42 | Report abuse |
    • joe

      ahhh, for the peace of an uncluttered mind.

      April 16, 2012 at 21:41 | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      Hopefully you get a vaccine preventable disease

      April 16, 2012 at 21:44 | Report abuse |
    • Ryan

      I shouldn't say that. hopefully you get a vaccine preventable disease and then realize the benefit and how they save lives.

      April 16, 2012 at 21:48 | Report abuse |

      Based on some of the comments above, I am betting that many people are wishing there was an immunization for stupidity. 😛

      April 17, 2012 at 09:38 | Report abuse |
    • Chris R

      I love it when people say things like this because it really demonstrates that they have *NO* idea how the immune system develops or works. OK quick lesson: The immune system works by developing antibodies to things identified as not coming from the child. The only way it can develop those antibodies is by being *exposed* to those foreign things (proteins specifically). So a baby's immune system is under developed because it has had enough exposure.
      Now, it turns out that its *really* easy for the immune system be exposed to new things because the environment is chock full of foreign proteins. Every lungful of air comes with thousands of bacteria, viruses, insect feces (dust mite feces generally), dead skin cells, and so forth. Every time your baby puts their fingers in their mouth they are ingesting tens of thousands of bacteria that grow on our skin at all times. When it puts that toy in it's mouth you get the same thing. When your baby eats they are exposing their immune system to *every* protein in that food. So their immune system is being *constantly* exposed to huge amounts of foreign matter every second of the day.
      This is how their immune system develops and their immune system can handle it – it's a basic biological process seen in every animal in the world. Even plants and insects have basic immune systems. Your baby can handle the exposure to vaccines because that is what the immune system is designed to do.

      Also, a common misconception is that vaccines are some sort of drug that works in an artificial way to prevent disease. It's not – it works by giving a baby or child the opportunity to build a defense against a disease before being exposed to it. Vaccines have saved *millions* of lives and prevents tens of millions of permanently disabling and disfiguring effects of disease.

      April 17, 2012 at 10:49 | Report abuse |
    • sue

      I'm with you Amy!

      April 17, 2012 at 12:23 | Report abuse |
    • tina

      Ever see a baby actively dying of pertussis?

      July 26, 2012 at 00:29 | Report abuse |
    • Richard

      You and Sue are morons.

      December 23, 2013 at 19:22 | Report abuse |
  3. LauMal

    I use this technique and teach this to parents very often as a pediatric RN in a hospital. It works, they love it, and parents are amazed.

    April 16, 2012 at 09:08 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KF

      What I find both sad and amusing is the fact that the natural human response (the five S's) is suddenly a new technique that needs to be taught to new parents. People have been doing this for a very long time; if not since we crawled out of our caves.

      April 17, 2012 at 03:14 | Report abuse |
  4. Parker

    I have a 1 step program. Skip the vaccine. How is a 1 day old baby going to get Hep B? If the vaccines are safe why have medicals doctors pushed to be immune from liability from any side effects? Do your own research and make informed decisions regarding vaccinations. Don't believe the hype pro or con. There are delayed schedules ( dr sears) if you choose to vaccinate. All states must provide an exemption form if your child's school tells you they are mandatory, which is not true...

    Ask your doctor for the know side effects of any vaccines. They all list ear infections...and ear infections are the most common cause for pediatric visits. Over a billion dollars a year in health care costs for ear infections most likely caused by vaccines.. So why do you think your pediatrician is recommending vaccines?
    Ask your doctor if their kids are vaccinated...probably not.
    Don't decide based on fear or emotions. Educate yourself on both view points and then make educated choices.

    April 16, 2012 at 09:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Cleopatra1981

      You are a 100% correct.

      April 16, 2012 at 09:59 | Report abuse |
    • What kind of fool art thou?

      Yeah, do your own research and ignore the professional. Brilliant.

      April 16, 2012 at 09:59 | Report abuse |
    • LOL

      I love how you tell people to make their own decisions, then you turn around and tell them what to do.

      April 16, 2012 at 10:03 | Report abuse |
    • NJBob

      There is no medical treatment that is 100% free of side effects. But your kids are a public health risk if they haven't been properly vaccinated.

      April 16, 2012 at 10:25 | Report abuse |
    • Michael M.

      There aren't two viewpoints. There's science and then there's malignant misinformation.

      Vaccines are, by a very wide stretch, the most successful healthcare undertaking and treatment ever developed. More than penicillin. More than anti-malarials. More than anti-virals. More than every surgery combined. They are incredibly safe – about as safe as medicine can get – and every single study proves it.

      The study that linked autism to vaccinations was revealed to be a fraud. The researcher actually admitted to falsifying data years after the fact. The rest of the side-effects you here about are in the "way less than .01% of the population" bin.

      Doctors, believe it or not, spend between 8 and 12 years studying Biology, Chemistry, and Medicine in order to help people. The vast majority are not there to make a quick buck with "Big Pharma" (which is practically impossible these days as Big Pharma learned most Doctors don't respond to monetary compensation – they respond to free samples to give their patients much more).

      So, yeah, there are your choices: A completely world-changing solution to problems that crippled and killed children in earlier generations, or a fake study with a dose of paranoia.

      April 16, 2012 at 10:51 | Report abuse |
    • DC

      Your pediatrician is recommending vaccines because they are among the most important advances in disease prevention and reduction in history besides clean drinking water, sewer systems, and water fluoridation. It is not about making money....otherwise, they would have chosen a different field....pediatrics is hardly lucrative for the amount of training, debt, and hours you work.

      You should do your research and make your own decisions...but go to credible sources....not Jenny McCarthy and other University of Google sites. Try the CDC, NIH, AAP, AAFP...anyone who actually has to show well done research to back up their information.

      April 16, 2012 at 14:33 | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      know what else causes ear infections? Having your baby's head be a little too low when feading him/her. If their mouth is above the ears, there's the chance of fluid running into them. How many times is this the cause vs vaccinations? Which is more prevalent? (I think my kid has been fed more times than injected...)

      Correlation does not imply causation.

      April 16, 2012 at 15:47 | Report abuse |

      Idiocracy...infecting some people since birth.

      April 17, 2012 at 09:40 | Report abuse |
    • carolyn

      I wouldn't want your unvaccinated child in the same classroom with my child.

      April 17, 2012 at 20:59 | Report abuse |
  5. Cleopatra1981

    How about posting an article "Easing a seizing baby after vaccine shots."

    April 16, 2012 at 10:05 | Report abuse | Reply
    • NJBob

      You spend too much time reading the National Enquirer and watching Fox News. Those aren't good places to get reliable medical advice.

      April 16, 2012 at 10:23 | Report abuse |
    • Elena

      My youngest healthy child almost died when she got 6 vaccines at the same time at age 4. I can't forget how sick she was and the regrets I still have to see her like a rug doll for 10 days. The pediatric office refused to give the shots one at the time, I promised them I would come every week for 1 or 2 shots at the time but they said that all of them at the same time it is not a problem. Big Mistake! Please don't do it to your kids.
      I am not against vaccines, I just believe they should be improved to remove the toxins in their ingredients and to adjust based on the patient. Can't be one size fits all. My child was born 8lb 8oz and was healthy, how about babies who are born low weight, how can they have the same vaccine?

      April 16, 2012 at 13:31 | Report abuse |
  6. ace

    How much research is needed? Autism is a genetic disorder not caused by vaccines (aceept it as difficult to hear as it is). Lets just reintroduce polio into America because you fools won't vaccinate. Vaccination effectiveness is based on the herd having immunity for the disease for the unvaccinated (due to medical reason not the fearful with no basis). Look at Whopping Cough and Measles. We are just lucky it is not polio. You see old people who had or could tell you about polio. People have become so stupid about basic things. When the vaccines first came out around the World Wars people got them. They saw enough disease. You did not see autism as it is today. It is the direct reason the world population grew to what it is currently. I am sure current vaccines are safer now than then. I am hopeful that people can find the reasons for autism and a cure, but it is not vaccines.

    April 16, 2012 at 10:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Elena

      Isn't a genetic disorder triggered by vaccines? Who knows what we have in our genes, I just want to leave them alone.

      April 16, 2012 at 13:32 | Report abuse |
    • Whatever

      @ Elena: A genetic disorder is most definitely not triggered by vaccines. You are born with a defect in your GENES that causes the malfunction of some protein or pathway. Maybe you should do a little research before posting.

      April 17, 2012 at 17:58 | Report abuse |
  7. Mike

    Sure I'd trust this procedure... I dated the "Safe Kids" nurse at a hospital in Anchorage. She also worked in the Neo-Natal section of the hospital. I ended my relationship with her because she was on constant medication. When I confronted her about being addicted to the meds, she told me that "all of my friends take something to even themselves out" (referring to prescription drugs). Let's see, drug addicts recommend this procedure (nurses). Doctors get paid to push vaccines from vaccine producers. If your child ends up damaged, they've just created more business for themselves. The best thing to do is avoid doctors and nurses. Keep your children safe...

    April 16, 2012 at 11:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Nurse

      Don't let one nurse cloud your view of the many great registered nurses out there, and do not believe her that "every nurse takes something to even themselves out". As in every profession, there are a few that are really bad, but most nurses are great nurses with good intentions.

      I am a nurse, and I give vaccines. I rarely take ANY medications, including tylenol or motrin. I am very careful and thorough. I have provided vaccination services to over 850 children and adults alike. I have had no children come back having had an adverse reaction, and only 1 adult who had a localized redness and swelling related to the vaccine which resolved within a few days and no long lasting effects.

      I agree with all who said make sure to use reputable sites such as CDC or http://www.immunize.org. Doctors do not make money on vaccines, they usually have to spend more on overhead, special refrigerators and monitoring equipment than they get reimbursed for providing vaccines. We are lucky if we get some educational pamphlets from the vaccine manufacturers, not even a pen every now and then. I would question the motivation for prescribing certain brand only medications over questioning vaccines.

      The cause of autism is still out, when there are half-truths and innuendos about professionals such as what you wrote, it is no wonder that confused parents do not know what to do!! Listen to your doctor, talk to your grandparents about the horrors of vaccines, about not being able to go out and play in the summer because of the threat of polio, and if they were "lucky" enough to survive polio, ask them about the chronic pain that they may now have in hips and joints caused by malformation caused by polio. I would much rather take the 0.01% chance of a side effect over contracting a deadly disease any day!!! Getting hurt in a car accident has worse odds than harm from a vaccine.

      April 16, 2012 at 17:03 | Report abuse |
  8. lala

    vaccinating a baby is stupid. if you do it then you have no clue how vaccines work. babies have no immune systems to respond to what you're injecting. none. your pediatrician is training you to be obedient and ignorant, and then stabbing your baby with a needle.
    our immune systems don't start functioning until around 4 years old, the same age that babies average stopping breastfeeding at around the world. breasts are a babies ONLY immune system.
    start reading real science people. start taking your babies health seriously, and educate yourselves.

    April 16, 2012 at 12:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • you are an idiot

      This is the most ignorant and incorrect view on vaccines I have heard yet.

      April 16, 2012 at 13:32 | Report abuse |
    • Elena

      You are right Lala!

      April 16, 2012 at 13:34 | Report abuse |
    • DC

      This is the stupidest post I've read in a long time. No immune system?!? Babies do have an immune system.....augmented by mom's antibodies. If they had no immune system (as is the case with SCID or other immunodeficiencies) they would be infected with common usually benign organisms and die within days to weeks. Vaccines are given at specific intervals to work with the child's present immune system that is developing.....we give them early to protect them when they are most vulnerable .... but also know that they won't have the brisk response of an adult with fully developed immunity...hence the 2, 4, 6 mo boosters.

      Wow....it hurts to see people in the comminuty with so little knowledge about how the body works.

      April 16, 2012 at 14:17 | Report abuse |
    • Gandi

      please see the 2012 immunization schedule at the CDC.gov web site. Sounds like you are one of the people that could be spreading Pertusis to innocent new borns. See your community nurse for immunization update immediately! Plus, you may save yourself . . . .

      April 16, 2012 at 14:47 | Report abuse |
    • Orange Ike

      lala – you're an utter moron. That is all.

      Actually, that is not all. Where on earth do you get this "information" from? Even babies born prematurely have a demonstrably functioning immune system. Yes, there is a reliance on passive immunity and acquired immunity (transplacental passage of IgG and ingested IgA from breast milk) for complete immunity, but vaccines are there to provide a firm and specific base for your disease-fighting processes. If you're relying on maternal IgG, it'll have left your baby's system by the time they're three months old. That's how long IgG stays around for. Fact. IgA is a "surface" antibody. It protects your mucosal surfaces. It circulates in very low levels in the blood and is not good at activating your cellular immunity. It helps to prevent antigens getting into your circulation in the first place. Once the antigens are there, it does very, very little to get rid of them.

      And you know, all this garbage about doctors only vaccinating to make money, believe me, if these vaccine-preventable diseases came back, there would be way more than enough work to go around. Looking after kids in iron lungs following polio? Yep. Long-term neurological care for kids with brain damage (subacute sclerosing panencephalitis from measles, varicella encephalitis from chicken pox, etc)? Yes, too. Doctors can charge far, far more for the acute care of infected children than they can for vaccines. Don't kid yourself that these diseases are mild. They absolutely are not. But, you know, perhaps this is Darwinism in action...

      April 16, 2012 at 17:39 | Report abuse |

      @ lala
      So your saying that you breastfeed your children until they are 4?!

      April 17, 2012 at 09:43 | Report abuse |
    • AByronC

      I really hope that you're kidding.

      April 17, 2012 at 21:34 | Report abuse |
    • Richard

      You have to be the most ignorant pos I've seen in some time. Please stop breeding. You are too dumb to live.

      December 23, 2013 at 19:30 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      lala, you are simply wrong.

      May 5, 2014 at 16:36 | Report abuse |
  9. Dan I.

    If you do not vaccinate your children YOU ARE A PUBLIC HEALTH RISK.

    We're seeing outbreaks of measles, whooping cough and other childhood diseases that WERE nearly non-existent because of vaccination. But now we have people listening to Jenny McCarthy and her "indigo children" junk we're seeing decreasing herd immunity which means children who ARE too young to receive certain vaccines are getting sick from things.

    If you don't vaccinate your children not only are you placing YOUR children at risk you are placing OTHER, younger children at risk because of the lack of herd immunity.

    Look at the story of Dana McCaffery, an infant who died of whooping cough because she was too young to receive the vaccine but lived in a area in Australia that is a hotbed of "antivaxx" sentiment. Herd immunity in the area was too low and this infant contracted whopping cough and DIED because other people wouldn't vaccinate their children.

    Are there potential side effects? Absolutely, and they should be disclosed. But they are EXCEEDINGLY rare. You know what happens if we stop vaccinating? Look at pictures from the 1950's of towns hit by epidemics of polio, is THAT really what you want to go back to?

    If you vaccinate, yes there is an INCREDIBLY SMALL risk of serious complications. If we stop vaccinating children WILL get sick and die by the THOUSANDS. End of story. We don't need to "theorize" about what will happen if we stop vaccinating, all we to do is look at history. Those viruses are still out there, you're just IMMUNE to them now. And why? Vaccination.

    April 16, 2012 at 12:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Donna

      Thank you Dan. Your post is the most accurate and well said. People should see some of these diseases before they decide they don't think vaccines are worth the exceedingly small risk.

      April 16, 2012 at 16:55 | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      You are right Dan. In fact the loss of heard immunity is giving some adults these diseases. I, an asthmatic, and my grandfather caught a mild case of pertussis from a shelter during Hurricane Charlie from some kids that had it and we were both immunized over 5 years before. Even people with immunizations can get mild forms of these diseases. It won't likely kill them but it can kill the non-immunized children and infants around you.

      April 16, 2012 at 23:22 | Report abuse |
  10. Did YOU get YOUR vaccines?

    PARENTS: did you get vaccines when you were a child? You grew up without incident, and procreated free from deadly diseases. Give your children the same opportunity. Giving your children vaccines are safer than letting your child come in contact with these diseases with no immunity. Measles vs NOT having measles? I'll take the later, and so will my daughter.

    April 16, 2012 at 14:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Eeyore

      Yeah, and we grew up without seat belts and bike helmets. SO WHAT? That is the stupidest reasoning possible. Vaccines are the best way we have of preventing diseases. They are SAFER than the complications of the diseases. Look up the possible complications of measles. They're NOT harmless, and just because most people didn't die of the disease doesn't mean they survived unscathed. People can be rendered deaf. They can develop a form of encephalitis. Please, educate yourself.

      May 5, 2014 at 16:40 | Report abuse |
  11. Gandi

    Dan – thank you for your very correct response. While I did not get a chance to read ALL of today's responses, I would like to add that Pertussis is still taking out infants by family members that have not kept up to date on all of their adult/booster vaccinations. The site has the newest 2012 schedule. We have learned that pregnant females can even get their booster shots during the last part of their pregnacy to assure no infant deaths. We still have a few folks out there that are inconsiderate and spread their germs. If you want to great someone's brand new bundle of joy, don't spread your germs to them – give them a fighting chance to survive! Loving kindness. Not germ warfare.

    April 16, 2012 at 14:44 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Gandi

    "the site" was CDC.gov

    April 16, 2012 at 14:45 | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Saluki

    My 2 young kids are both fully vaccinated. They both are recovering from Whooping Cough (pertussis) that my daughter got at school from another fully-vaccinated child. There have been a few verified whooping cough cases at school, all in immunized kids. Although we got all our vaccines on schedule, I guess I'd say I always was a vaccine skeptic and am even more of one now. Vaccines are not all they are claimed to be, and might actually be risky, to boot.

    April 16, 2012 at 16:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dana

      You just simply don't know how vaccines work. Take example of flu vaccine. They are about 60% effective. Which means you have close to 1 out of 2 chances to still get sick. Now, think we ALL get the shots. There will be dramatically LESS sick people, less sick people = less infections. It's called herd immunity. That's how vaccines work, please educate yourself.

      April 16, 2012 at 17:33 | Report abuse |
    • Orange Ike

      Saluki – no vaccine is 100% effective. They rely on herd immunity to provide protection. Herd immunity is where enough of the population are protected to a large enough degree to shrink the infectivity reservoir to almost nothing (in smallpox, it WAS nothing), meaning that the chances of an individual (ANY individual) coming into contact with the disease is virtually zero. Hey presto, everyone's protected, vaccinated or not. The problem is that if not enough people are vaccinated, there is no herd immunity and the diseases continue to flourish and infect both people who have not been vaccinated (tiny babies with immature immune systems, kids with immune deficiencies like SCID, hyper-IgM, agammaglobulinaemia, LAD, etc and people who cannot be vaccinated, like those with cancer who are on chemotherapy, who can't be vaccinated and who are at very great risk of dying if they contract one of those illnesses).

      Actually, the children with cancer sentiment is particularly poignant. So, childhood cancer is predominantly curable. It requires massive amounts of chemotherapy with resulting destruction of the immune system. Varicella strikes fear into the hearts of all those who care for kids with cancer as it is highly contagious and, if it infects an individual with reduced or zero function of their immune system, the likelihood of developing disseminated varicella is very high. That means you get those chicken pox spots over every surface in your body – the surface of your lungs, the surfaces of your abdominal organs and the surface of your brain. It permanently damages you. It can also kill you (which, actually, might be the better outcome). As far as herd immunity goes, do you not think that children with cancer have enough to deal with, without unvaccinated kids running around passing on their relatively mild infections..?

      April 16, 2012 at 17:58 | Report abuse |
    • Dan I.

      Vaccines can lose some efficacy with time. The one thing I know is that you're kids did NOT get pertussis from the vaccine. How do I know this? Because the pertussis vaccine uses a DEAD virus, and doesn't even use the ENTIRE virus.

      So unless your kid got "zombie pertussis" it wasn't from the vaccine. It was most likely transmitted because an unvaccinated child in your area transmitted the diseases and the efficacy of the vaccines has waned a little with time. With herd immunity being low the virus was able to transmit to children who still had SOME immunity but were not fully protected.

      April 16, 2012 at 23:07 | Report abuse |
    • Saluki

      I have educated myself. I did choose to vaccinate my kids becuase I believe evidence points towards vaccines being the better choice. I am a researcher by profession, with a master's degree and I have researched this a lot. However, healthy skepticism is always a good idea. We can't believe everything they tell us about vaccines. Look on any health site. They tell you the best way to not get pertussis is to be sure you are vaccinated. They don't mention there is a small chance it won't work. Also, earlier this winter a nearby school district in WI cancelled all classes for awhile because so many kids in grades K-12 had pertussis it was not worth staying open. There were not enough kids in class and they also wanted to stop the spread. The state department of health said most the children getting sick in this school were immunized and up to date on boosters. In my kid's school, all the confirmed cases are in immunized kids. I am not saying the immunization caused it, I am saying the immunization is not all it is cracked up to be. Any information I have found about vaccines not working discuss people who have not had a recent booster or older people who may have not had any shots for years. No one is really talking about why large numbers of up to date vaccinated young kids ( mine are 5 and 3) are getting these diseases. If herd immunity worked, then large groups of kids should not be getting these diseases as is happening around here with pertussis. Also, I seem to remember a big chicken pox outbreak in vaccinated children in many parts of the country. Herd immunity suggests only a few kids will get a disease after being vaccinated. I still believe in vaccines and my kids will continue to get boosters, but I think there needs to be a lot more continuing research and people need to keep asking questions. People who ask questions are trying to educate themselves, so don't smugly suggest someone who asks good questions is uneducated. Isn't education all about asking quetions?

      April 17, 2012 at 08:34 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Herd immunity is not some silly notion, Saluki. Educate yourself about whooping cough. There IS a reason that the vaccine for it is not 100% effective. Whooping cough is caused by bacteria, not a virus. And the vaccine now is not as effective as the previous iteration. That is because there is an abundance of caution and making the vaccine even safer than the original rendered it somewhat less effective. If everyone who can be vaccinated gets the vaccine, and adults get their boosters, it is less likely kids like yours will come into contact with the disease. Nothing is 100%. The risks of the vaccine are minimal. The benefits are worth it. There's simply no question about it, and I don't care HOW educated you pretend to be: if you don't know that, you're not educated enough.

      May 5, 2014 at 22:02 | Report abuse |
  14. Joan

    Why, in Heaven's Name, would any woman be uncomfortable nursing her baby in a Pediatrician's office?!? Breastfeeding is highly recommended by Pediatricians! And most other health professionals. It's discouraged by the pushers of artificial feeding and idiots.

    April 16, 2012 at 17:12 | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Quixoticelixer

    As a medical student, it is VERY DISHEARTENING to constantly read opinions on these articles about how people do not trust vaccines. Ladies and gentleman, the medical community (including myself) spends YEARS reading and understanding every single component of the human body as well as every single bacterium, virus, fungus, parasite, etc. that has ever existed. They have very thoroughly studied exactly how a vaccine works in the body, using nonstop, continual batteries of scientific evidence to back up how effective they are. Please, please, please, please do yourself a favor and RESEARCH this topic yourself. There are COUNTLESS journal articles out there to prove that vaccines are necessary for promoting better health. Here is a popular one in The Lancet on the MMR vaccine: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2899%2901239-8/fulltext

    April 16, 2012 at 19:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jill

      You are deluding yourself if you think have more than a naive understanding of how the human body functions. We use nothing more than educated guesswork to design new therapies.

      I am an immunologist and I am not anti-vaccine. However, our understanding of how the immune system functions is in its infancy and a very large percentage of peer-reviewed published scientific work is eventually shown to be incomplete or inaccurate.

      Please, don't be so over-confident in your data. Medicine is often wrong. Science is often wrong. That is the nature of the beast. Treating people like they are stupid because the doubt the all-knowing man behind the curtain does nothing more than alienate them.

      April 17, 2012 at 00:59 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      I am not saying that I have an absolute understanding of immunology, but I am saying there are definitive cornerstones that are universal (i.e. humoral vs cell-mediated immunity) and that all healthcare professions (should) have a basic understanding of it. The fundamentals of how vaccines elicit a stronger immune response have undeniably helped improve human health as well as the eradication of once devastating illnesses (smallpox).

      What makes me irritated is that people aren't properly informed on the essentials of vaccinations and its implications for herd immunity. Instead, we are opening the doors for certain illnesses such as pertussis, measles, diphtheria, etc. to make a comeback and form an epidemic. All because both the public and press fed into the fraudulent research conducted by Andrew Wakefield rather than listen to individuals who have a more sound understanding of the mechanics of basic science.

      April 17, 2012 at 14:03 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      @Jill, I don't believe for a minute that you are in any way involved in immunology. At all.

      May 5, 2014 at 22:03 | Report abuse |
  16. Jonnyrokk

    Vaccines are poison and huge moneymakers...... BIG PHARMA

    April 16, 2012 at 21:08 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dan I.

      Nope, the market for vaccines is tightly regulated. "Big Pharma' as you call it isn't ALLOWED to charge the market price for a vaccine. They make almost NO money off them. Not to mention, WHY exactly would "Big Pharma" want to IMMUNIZE you from a disease when they could make tons of cash off TREATING you if you got sick.

      See the logical disconnect. You insist it's all about money but the logic doesn't follow. The last thing "Big Pharma" wants to do is make you IMMUNE to diseases when they could make SO much more money off a 3 month course of antibiotics or anti-viral medication as opposed to a one shot needle injection

      April 16, 2012 at 23:09 | Report abuse |
    • Whatever

      So the fact that nobody gets polio anymore is just a fluke? Obviously vaccines are doing something pretty positive...

      April 17, 2012 at 18:00 | Report abuse |
  17. Bulinowak

    The true believers know that our true ancestors will one day return to our planet during the great awakening. Those whose genes have been tainted with earthly medications and vaccines will not be accepted for the return voyage. Only the pure will be selected. Please please please do not force your children to remain on this planet when the children of the true believers are selected. Study the beliefs of scientology and follow the path to enlightenment.

    April 16, 2012 at 21:16 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Susan

      This was the most entertaining post I have read all day. Thank you! You are so very cute.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:37 | Report abuse |
    • red

      I am stunned.

      April 17, 2012 at 18:12 | Report abuse |
  18. MashaSobaka

    First of all, I really wish that we had time machines so that we could take all the anti-vaccine fools and drop them in the past. They can see how people used to die of everything from polio to the seasonal flu. And THEN they can tell us that vaccines are a vast conspiracy. If you don't vaccinate your kids, you are doing them tremendous harm and you are risking public health. Shame on you. Second, great advice on the article's part. I've seen nurses do these exact same things and the kids are comforted in under a minute. It's pretty amazing.

    April 16, 2012 at 21:44 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. PLZ

    Mindless herd, keep deliberately sticking yourselves with needles. So much garbage in here I don't know where to begin, so much passion by people brainwashed and blinded my medical dogma. Its really kind of hard to be mad at you because you don't know better, clueless...its over your head. This sort of thought is revolutionary, requires a brilliant mind to overlook years and years of propaganda and marketing. YOU ARE THE MASSES! You are being targeted because your simple thinking can be manipulated by people with power.

    April 16, 2012 at 22:32 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dan I.

      So you're saying what exactly? That vaccines don't actually do anything? Funny, I must have missed this year's smallpox epidemic. (Yes these things used to be ANNUAL events, like flu season now, only MUCH higher death counts)

      April 16, 2012 at 23:16 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      That's exactly what I'm saying Einstein...look...http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html

      April 17, 2012 at 10:18 | Report abuse |
    • Susan

      You sound passionate and brainwashed.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:37 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      I'm brainwashed? you sound unintelligent, can't you at least think of your own, original argument?

      April 17, 2012 at 16:24 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      No, PLZ, you're just nuts.

      May 5, 2014 at 22:04 | Report abuse |
  20. Becky

    When the pertussis outbreak occurred how many people were told that there are two types of pertussis. One that there is a vaccine for and one that there is not. They never said which pertussis was being spread, instead they said vaccinate everyone. So what if the one that was being spread was the one that the vaccine didn't protect you from? Then is it fair to say that the Big Pharma just used all of us to make money for a pertussis that doesn't even have a vaccine and left us all vulnerable for the pertussis going around?

    April 17, 2012 at 02:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. mintMom

    I chose not to vaccinated my child after learning beyond the biased claims of vaccinations and biased medical advice. I'm proud to say that my about to be two-year old has never been sick, and because we know food such as raw milk, neither has myself of my husband have come down with any colds. As a family we have been completely invinsible to the seasonal flu or the "something going around thing." While on the other hand, children from other family's who do vaccinate, have at some point or another come down with deathly colds. Really my family and I can lick old dirty tissues and not get sick because we are no longer blind to this ridiculous game. You don't have to attend medical school, or be a no it all in biology or chemistry to reach optimal health, really you just have to open your eyes! Besides, anyone thick enough to suggest that contaminating/polluting the blood-stream was ever a brilliant idea, is not your friend! For Lord's sake, God has put each and every one of us on this Earth beginning with clean blood, then we go and pollute ourselves and defile our "temples" and our children's "temples" for Lord's sake, because we are all complete fools!!! Man is foolish, haven't we learned this yet?!! For those of us that follow in God's will, will continue to follow however be ostracised for being so "strange," for not being sheep amongst the sheep, for persuing this life in hesitation and question to the mortal men who demand on each and every one of us to follow suit. Wake up, wake up, wake up! For Lord's sake wake up!!!! Clean blood versus dirty blood, think about it!!!!

    April 17, 2012 at 03:57 | Report abuse | Reply
    • PLZ

      well said!

      April 17, 2012 at 10:20 | Report abuse |
    • Chris R

      Sigh. It's really not worth arguing with you. It's just sad to see someone who loves to make use of the benefits of science while rejecting the entire concept of science. Oh, I'm a fan of raw milk. It tastes a lot better – that being said you are exposing yourself to various diseases like brucelloisis. You have to really trust your provider.

      April 17, 2012 at 11:23 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      You made a bias connection between your family's health and vaccinations. How do you know for certain that a lack of vaccines has made you healthy? You know there are many other factors in life that determine how frequently you get sick: your diet, the amount of exercise you get, your genetics, your exposures to different pathogens, your hygiene, your environment etc. etc. etc.

      April 17, 2012 at 14:24 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Hey Quix, you trying to appear intelligent? Just because communicable diseases have decreased you make the connection that vaccines are to thank? YAWN. I know you don't have the ability to think outside the box but try, I know its easier for so-called experts to do the thinking for you. Independent thinking is tough, I guess you should just stop pretending, shouldn't you be at Wal-Mart anyways?

      April 17, 2012 at 16:31 | Report abuse |
    • Mintmom

      Why is vaccinating the "ONLY" avenue for protection? Of course when I chose not to vaccinate my child, naturally I looked for other protecting methods against disease, I would not just leave my child hanging without an alternate plan. Come to find out, the different protection methods I found offer more promise than vaccination while posing no threat or harm to my child's wellbeing. First one being breastfeeding, second one raw milk, third homemade organic vegetable juice, fourth boycotting white sugar. When and if my child does get sick, simply keep the body as comfortable as possible while fighting infection, lots of sleep, rest, breastfeeding, organic juices, no sugar, purified water humidifier with essential oils, essential oil diffuser. To conclude my point, I'm not sending my child into any battle empty handed. Yes, I'll spend the money on these other expenses but I will not take up the "free vaccination."

      April 18, 2012 at 05:01 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      PLZ, it is called using common sense. Just because you get vaccinated and you get sick doesn't mean that the vaccine isn't working. It amazes me when people complain and worry about all of the fears they have about the ingredients that are contained in a single vaccine when you get more harmful radiation from riding in an airplane or laying in a tanning booth. It seems to me that you are the one who "doesn't know how to look outside the box" because you rely on a website full of newspaper reports and misguided quotations whose authors know about as much about modern medicine as a monkey. Talk to me when you actually have SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that vaccines are BOTH harmful and do not work (neither your website source nor Andrew Wakefield's fake research count either). Meanwhile, continue to flap your vile tongue (and condescending arrogance) while we watch once feared diseases (pertussis, diphtheria, measles, etc) start popping up again in our society.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:20 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Betcha Mintmom, never made it past high school.

      May 5, 2014 at 22:05 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Oh, and mintMom? It's really hard not to laugh at your post. Someone who doesn't know the difference between "no" and "know" telling other people to "wake up"? Priceless!

      May 5, 2014 at 22:06 | Report abuse |
  22. Whatthe?

    is no one going to mention that the kiddo in the picture looks like the vaccines were too late? He looks horrible.

    April 17, 2012 at 05:09 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. CDowell

    I see a lot of people putting opinion out as fact here. I also find the comment, "You not vaccinating your child is putting my child at risk", insulting and wrong. If your child is vaccinated, how will my child, who is not vaccinated, put your child at risk? “No vaccine has 100% coverage (that is, it doesn't cause immunity in 100% of the people who are vaccinated), most have about 80% coverage; a couple have as low as 60% coverage. For herd immunity to work, there needs to be 85% coverage, or higher. If every person on the planet was vaccinated, there still wouldn't be 85% coverage. Your child may have every vaccination and every booster shot and still not be immune to the illness – and hardly anyone checks their child's immunity after the vaccine is administered.”
    Secondly, we pump these vaccines and drugs into our kids all at the same time. Have you ever taken multiple medicines at the same time and felt overwhelmed, woozy, or even sicker? Imagine your infant child with all that running through their brand new body. Read this article for more info, http://www.examiner.com/parenting-in-chicago/too-many-vaccines-for-young-children.
    Do you really think there isn’t a possibility of drastic side effects? There is a definite link between autism and vaccines. There are too many coincidences for there not to be. I think once there has been some in depth studies done by organizations not biased by one side or the other, we will see some differences. Vaccines contain things that should not be put into a baby’s body n my opinion. One such item is Thimerosal which “has been used as a preservative in vaccines since the 1930s, and some label the mercury-containing additive as the agent to blame for autism” says, discovery magazine. There was also a case in court in which the “Hannah Poling's family members won compensation for their case that vaccines caused Hannah's autism like symptoms. The court ruled that vaccines might have aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder.” Now, I am not sure if vaccines cause autism and I don’t think anyone can say yes or no that they do, however, until studies are done to prove scientifically one way or the other, I would not be too quick to knock people for thinking of their children first.

    April 17, 2012 at 09:07 | Report abuse | Reply
    • doughnuts

      Nice load of BS, Jenny. Can you find one reputible researcher who thinks Thimerosal has any link to autism?

      April 17, 2012 at 09:49 | Report abuse |
    • Thinquer

      The possible mitochonrial disorder might simply be that the child's immune system was too immature for a barrage of vaccines. Stop the madness. Say yes to necessary vaccinations but just say no to the multiple unnecessary vaccinations that make big pharma rich. Parents, educate yourselves, think, then advocate for your children.

      April 17, 2012 at 10:21 | Report abuse |
    • Chris R

      Most vaccine costs are tightly controlled by the government. Big Pharma make very little money off of vaccines. In fact, many pharmaceutical companies were going to get out of vaccine production because it wasn't making them enough money. The only reason why they are still being made is because of government support.

      April 17, 2012 at 11:26 | Report abuse |
  24. doughnuts

    I enjoy reading all the posts by the McCarthy-ites who disregard the safety of their children (and all the kids their kids will interact with). It makes me happy I have no children, for yours for infect.

    Jenny's body count: 93,159 preventable illnesses (6/2007 to 4/2012), 879 preventable deaths (6/2007 to 4/2012), 0 cases of Autism directly linked to vaccination (since Edward Jenner invented vacination).

    April 17, 2012 at 09:42 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. Bill Rhodes

    It's not what we don't know about medicine that hurts us, it's what we know for sure that turns out to be dead wrong!

    April 17, 2012 at 09:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. Thinquer

    My friend's five year old received his mulitple vaccines on schedule. Overnight he went from a completely normal child to unable to walk. Eventually he relearned to walk with braces. He is now a teenager. Since then he has never been able to run and play sports. You figure it out.

    April 17, 2012 at 10:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Susan

      That is very sad, truly. But my three children got all vaccinations without even a fever. This is as valid as what you are saying – in fact, it beats you by a factor of 3. That child's misfortune was not from getting shots, not at all.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:40 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      How do you know your child wasn't allergic to the vaccines? There is no such thing as a "perfect drug" and there is no such thing as a "perfect vaccine". All of them have the potential of causing side effects. That doesn't mean they aren't effective however. Has your child ever contracted measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, etc.? If not, then the vaccines have performed their jobs.

      April 17, 2012 at 14:16 | Report abuse |
  27. Thinquer

    The possible mitochonrial disorder might simply be that the child's immune system was too immature for a barrage of vaccines. Stop the madness. Say yes to necessary vaccinations but just say no to the multiple unnecessary vaccinations that make big pharma rich. Parents, educate yourselves, think, then advocate for your children.

    April 17, 2012 at 10:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. Colleen

    "to vaccine/not to vaccine" debate aside, simple 1-step plan: if you're able, Moms simply breastfeed your baby immediately after a shot and rock a little. Calming time: much less than 45 seconds. But many of us mothers likely already knew this and didn't need a medical journal article to tell us...

    April 17, 2012 at 10:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Nurse

      Well said, I always encourage the mothers of the infants I vaccinate to breast feed, offering them a private place to do this, so they are not having to sit in the waiting area. The "5 S's" are pretty much accomplished, just with the act of breastfeeding.

      April 17, 2012 at 17:47 | Report abuse |
  29. raster1944

    For all you stupid naysayers out there against vaccination, you have no idea how many children died from having measles, whooping cough, flu, polio, chickenpox back in the 50's. I remember schools closing due to outbreaks. Doctors worrying about the increased use of sugar? How much is given to the kid when he gets a shot? The small pain of a shot is nothing.

    April 17, 2012 at 11:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Susan

      Yes, I can't imagine being a parent in years past when you held your baby and just hoped he or she would make it to 5 years old, that there was a pretty good shot the child would at least be very, very sick at several points, and may even die. You would try to not get too attached, especially if you had already lost a sibling or two to that baby. That is what it was like before we had vaccinations. Thank goodness I live now and not then.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:43 | Report abuse |
  30. Susan

    I can't imagine being a parent in years past when you held your baby and just hoped he or she would make it to 5 years old, that there was a pretty good chance the child would at least be very, very sick at several points, and may even die. You would try to not get too attached, especially if you had already lost a sibling or two to that baby. That is what it was like before we had vaccinations. Thank goodness I live now and not then. Three kids, all got their shots on schedule. We hugged them and comforted, it was all ok. And they are ok today.

    April 17, 2012 at 12:44 | Report abuse | Reply
  31. Judith Lienhard

    who no mention of nursing baby during the procedure? when I did home visits and had to do the heel stick for PKU collection, I found that having baby nurse while i did the heel stick, worked well.

    April 17, 2012 at 17:16 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. Jan

    I'm sure this wouldn't work for most babies, but I used to explain to my daughter what would happen (it would hurt) and why we were doing it (to prevent future diseases). She didn't cry with her shots after three months of age.

    April 17, 2012 at 20:26 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. KenF

    I also believe that if parents choose to have their children vaccinated they should be able to.
    If they choose to opt out, they should be able to.

    Mandatory vaccinations are a symptom of an over-reaching government.

    April 18, 2012 at 10:30 | Report abuse | Reply
  34. KenF

    The parents who are against vaccination tend to also be the parents who are in tune with nourishing the body properly - something that most people in the US are not.

    It's "the norm" in the US to rely on medicine/vaccinations for "good health", and be completely ignorant of the food supply and how to feed themselves and their children properly (see: Epidemic, Obesity). Those people should ABSOLUTELY have their children vaccinated!

    The rest of us, the minority, that choose to opt out of the sugar/white flour/corn/soy/vegetable oil laden American processed food system and the compromised immune system that comes with eating it every day, should also be able to peacefully opt out of vaccinations, without government intervention and without being ostracized for putting all others at risk sending "the next Typhoid Mary" to school, and called "stupid" on CNN message boards.

    Doctors today (by and large) are trained in how to recognize and treat symptoms with whatever pills are on the market. They, unfortunately, don't know from teaching people how to eat so that the amazing human body can maintain, heal and immunize itself so that drugs aren't necessary, except in extreme cases. There's no money for pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and doctors in healthy bodies.

    The health problems we face in the US today are largely due to a corrupt food system - commodity crops, genetically modified to resist the large amount of pesticides sprayed on them and factory farms that will, undoubtedly (and within our lifetime), create a superbug that no vaccine or antibiotic will be able to stop before taking millions of lives. The American food system is already slowly killing the people and the land of the US. Combine this with a society of parents who can't bear to say "no" to their children's every whim for pop-tarts, froot loops and Pepsi for fear their kids won't like them for a few minutes, and the stage is set for the health problems that we're seeing now. Vaccinations are just the tip of a very large iceberg...the medical community would have you believe that without them we'll all surely die. It's just not true.

    BTW, crediting the Polio vaccine for eradicating Polio is like giving credit to the last firefighter on the scene for putting out the fire, after he douses the last 3 glowing embers. Polio was just about gone before the vaccine hit the market due to better hygiene and human waste disposal systems. Look it up.

    April 18, 2012 at 11:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mintmom

      I honestly think that traditional medicine doctors and nurses should hear to this side of the argument and take a stand against the industry. Boycott the practice of vaccination! I personally think that an act of that kind could create more change than Obama in all his four years of office. Why do doctors and nurses pose the same arguments on this subject, aren't they allowed to think for themselves?

      April 19, 2012 at 06:19 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Good lord, mintMom, just shut up. Go back to high school and take a science class. You know less than nothing about vaccines. I feel really sorry that you've procreated.

      May 6, 2014 at 09:24 | Report abuse |
  35. Amanda

    I am all for the majority of vaccines out there. There are really only just a couple I don't agree with, but that is because of my own experiences. The flu shot for instance. I had to get one in basic training, that was the only year I have ever gotten the flu. Not the shots fault true, but for the majority of the general population, it is more for protecting those around you who may have compromised immune systems. I have not had one since, and my daughter has never had one either. They keep trying to push it and I just keep telling them no. As for that majority of vaccinations. Our society relies on group immunizing, or something like that, forget the name really. That means every one that can get the shot, should get it. There are some people that cannot due to various allergies of what is in it. So if those who can get it, do, that limits the risk that those who can't get it will get it. I remember a couple years or so ago, this couple took their kids to Africa I think it was. Well, the parents didn't believe in vaccines, so their kids never got any. They came back a little sick, went to school, and got kids at their school sick who couldn't get the vaccine. If those kids had the shot, they never would have exposed any one. If I didn't have a 3 year old, and a grandfather in his 80's, I would have just received the regular tetanus shot. But since I do, and I frequent my daughter's daycare, I made sure my doctor knew this so I could get the one with the pertussis vaccine. No reason I should be getting anyone else sick.

    May 24, 2012 at 13:43 | Report abuse | Reply
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  37. someone

    What the hell? Some of you are sooooo worried about the sides effects of vaccines...so catching the actual disease at a few months old won't have side effects? You've got to be kidding me. But you're right, I mean...young children back in the day NEVER died of diseases, huh? You can feed your child healthy, and that will no doubt make their immune system healthy, but you cannot rely on that as a means of "protection" against many diseases. I'm sure children 150 years ago weren't eating processed junky food like now, but yet they still died of many diseases. Some of you sound like that woman who claimed her daughter's HPV vaccine cause mental retardation...

    August 2, 2012 at 09:40 | Report abuse | Reply
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