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February 27th, 2012
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Boys should get HPV vaccination tooParents have been hearing a lot about the human papillomavirus, or HPV, vaccine. But what was once designed solely for girls and young women up to the age of 26 to protect them from different strains of the virus, is now also being strongly recommended for younger boys. Following in the footsteps of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of Pediatrics is recommending females and males at 11 to 12 years of age have routine HPV vaccinations. Doctors say the vaccine is most effective if administered before a child becomes sexually active, and responds better in the bodies of younger children, usually between the ages of 9 to 15. Young men diagnosed with HPV have also developed penile cancer and even anal cancer. These viruses, found primarily in sexually active adolescents and young adults, are the most common sexually transmitted viruses in the United States. It was also stressed in the AAP recommendations that young men having sex with other young men should be particularly careful and consider being vaccinated. The policy paper recommended that men 20 to 26 years old who have not been vaccinated for HPV, or who have not completed their series of HPV shots (the vaccine is administered in three doses), should do so as soon as possible. That’s because the CDC estimates about 7,000 HPV associated cancers in the U.S. could be prevented in young men by the HPV vaccine each year. The AAP made their decision based on data provided by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on vaccine efficacy, safety and cost effectiveness. Although some parents have been reluctant to have their children inoculated with another vaccine because of possible side effects, such as weakness, fever, tingling, itching and hives, researchers say the benefits outweigh the risks. soundoff (1,063 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next »Leave a Reply to probate Spokane
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Abstinence completely solves the problem without the vaccination.
As does fairy dust. Here in the real world, life long abstinence is somewhat rare.
Everyone knows that idiot. Sex is inevitable so your logic is flawed.
Abstinence can be a matter of choice or foisted upon someone due to psychological problems. I put you in the second category. Right?
That's actually a false statement. There are cases of young people who've never had sex that tested positive for HPV. Research before you post another ignorant comment.
I agree correct- only thing 100%. You'll take heat for that comment, though, because ...becasue a lot of people do not want to hear there are ways other than pills and drugs. And, becasue your right, you'll be called names as if that makes the fact a non-fact.
Abstinence is 100% effective when used, but abstinence among teenagers today is a rarity. How effective a given method is isn't very important unless the compliance to the method is also high.
Billions of people evidently don't intend to refrain from sex.
And you make the assumption that all sexual encounters are consensual.
Rbnlegend101: i think i might be approaching it.
Studies show that air borne viruses spread very fast and are the most common way a person can get sick. so, for your own good, I suggest you follow your 100% rule to breathing that air..
This is actually not true at all, ask any medical professional. HPV can be passed without sexual contact.
Ugh. Ignorance abounds. It's a WART virus. WART, not sex. You can catch viruses in many ways, sex only being one of them. It's a VIRUS! It KILLS! To be against a vaccine that saves is horrible. To deny it to your own kids is unforgivable. Especially when you daughter or wife dies of cancer at the ripe old age of 30!
Insisting on abstinence only is as stupid as believing vaccines guarantee protection. Whether you choose to vaccinate or not – YOU must accept the responsibility for your choice by making an informed decision. That also means you have the responsibility to fully understand the risks and the limits and the long term possibilities of your decision.
Your abstinence can be sollution for your concern about HPV, but you can effect abstinence for anyone else, obviously. Further, what some consider abstinence is actually very risky – for instance oral contact. Some think only bumping uglies is the risk. Even mutual masturbation could transfer the virus, I suppose. How about kissing someone with the virus active in their mouth? I don't know everything, or perhaps much, but I don't think abstinence alone will get it with HPV. It's a great start, and I would encourage anyone with enough guts to stick to it.
You can probably also avoid lung cancer by not breathing.
You don't know if you are a carrier of HPV or not, so are you never going to have sex with your wife and make babies via a testtube?
also Bernardo it can effect married adult women. Should they and their husbands also abstian for ever. If so that would also solve the over population issue. But would put a rather sudden end to human history. Prehaps another solution would be more beneficial to the race.
Principles don't prevent babies. Effective prophylactics and informed kids do.
Young boys/guys are going to be snacking on poo-nanny so they better get protected...it's not a bad idea...
Mass suicide would also solve the problem, but I don't like the outcome of that either.
OK, what's the next step to make sure all pre-pubescent boys abstain? Obviously non-sequitur.
There are no exclusive STDs. Any pathogen that can be transmitted sexually can also be transmitted nonsexually. Viruses don't care how they get passed. Hep A/B/C are all STDs but we still vaccinate for them because there are other means of accidental contact.
Which is why states with abstinence only education have higher incidents of teen pregnancy, lol.
Abstinence would solve a lot of problems, viruses, STDs, abortions, adoption centers....the list goes on and on...but lets be real, it's 2012 and not only are kids adults becoming sexually active at very young ages, young adults, especially those who are single until their mid 30s and more, tend to have multiple sexual partners, a major reason why we hear so much about the prevalence of HPV.
Reminds me of a article I once read written by the director of one of the largest cancer hospitals in America. He stated that immunizations in children were the largest single cause of childhood cancers. I haven't ever heard of abstinence before marriage and faithfulness in marriage ever causing anything other than a good future.
yeah I see how well abstinence does for priests also.....
...oh wait :/
I was raped. Abstinence on my part meant nothing. Nada. No darn chance at all. And it WASN"T my fault. And I NEVER asked for it.
A vaccine would have been nice, thanks.
CIte any credible evidence that vaccines cause cancer.
Really, knock it off, you troll.
Yes, it does solve the problem. All these vaccines are going to cause harm. This one has already caused deaths. What does that say? It's garbage.
Hmmm. Let's see. How many deaths has the vaccine caused? Go ahead and cite proof that the vaccine caused any, and then cite the number of deaths that occur every year from cervical cancer.
I can wait.
Dan Jones, if you can't cite the "article you once read", quoting some guy whose name you don't mention, then sit down and shut up, ok? Your statement is worse than invalid – it spreads an insidious rumor that can cause skittish, ignorant parents to withhold vaccination from their children, setting back the clock of civilization a century or more. Thanks a lot, Dan – you're doing a heck of a job.
Yes, and this will be one of the things Santorum will outlaw "immediately" since it would "encourage promiscuity!"
So your sentence for those who give into temptation even once in their entire lives is the possibility of a horrific death? What about people who do not want to live the way you want them to, do they deserve to die too? What about those who choose abstinence but go on to marry someone who has not, I suppose they need to die as well? I suppose those one in six women who will be raped deserve to die as well? Lets not forget about the many young men who are molested by their parish priests or ministers.
No god that would grant humanity the smallest sense of wisdom or reason would expect us to believe this, so you are either wrong or following something that is quite the opposite of any god.
Katie, you are just plain wrong. The vaccine acts to prevent four strains of HPV. Two of those strains cause warts, and two cause cancer. They don't cause all kinds of cancer, they cause a very specific, malignant, rapid developing, and life threatening cancer. Annual screenings (now reccomended every other year) are not very effective against these strains of cancer because they are so rapid, that's what makes them dangerous, by the time a doctor notices you have it, it's too late. Other strains of HPV cause cancers as well, but those strains allow for more time for detection, and thus, are less of a life threatening danger.
Many you mor0ns got trolled big time by "Katie".
And now you think you're going to continue in her stead, right, doofus?
I am not wrong, and I stand by everything I said about this and all vaccines. They are not effective in everyone. They are not 100% effective in those they do work for. They do not last forever. They have side effects, which are under-reported both to the physician and by the physician, and some of those side-effects are serious. HPV has many many strains, and this vaccine works on only four of them – if it works for you – and more than those strains can cause cancer. This vaccine is yeast-based and anyone with allergies or sensitivities to yeast should not have the vaccine (the glossy pamphlet states this.) This vaccine has not been around long enough for ANYONE to understand the long term functions or consequences in those who are vaccinated, and it was produced for and subsequently studied only in females. This has nothing to do with whether or not men have a cervix, it has to do with basic biology and physiology – men and women are different and react differently to medication introduced into their bodies.
Yes, you are wrong and you've done nothing to prove you are anything but crazy.
And how stupid can you be? NOTHING is 100% certain but death and taxes, you lunatic. Anyone with half a brain knows that vaccines don't prevent 100% of all illness. So what? They help. And you've shown no evidence whatsoever of any of these dire consequences you insist are worse than the disease that they help to prevent.
Like zach and Amy, you're nuts.
Katie – Warts and Cancer have worse side effects than the vaccine.
Guess what, most men who have sex are carriers of HPV. Upwards of 70% of sexually active young adults carry this. Forget about the low probability of a guy having issues with HPV. You vaccinate your sons when they are young so that they don't get their girlfriends and WIVES sick, so they don't lose their cervix or die. So that you can have your precious grandchildren. Men carry this disease, women are hurt by it. We vaccinate boys so they don't hurt the women in their lives.
Men can get cancer from HPV. HPV can cause oral cancer, penile cancer, and rectal cancer. Vaccinating boys won't necessarily prevent anyone from getting cancer down the road. Vaccines tend to give people a false sense of security.
I don't buy the gender argument. I'm not disputing facts, I just think it's not a moral argument to expose half the population to something to protect the other half. Having said that, I think both boys and girls should get the vaccine to irradiate the virus from everybody. Both genders 'deserve' the vaccine. Both genders benefit from it directly and indirectly.
Thank you. As a woman who is in remission from advanced stage cervical cancer, I can tell you definitively that you do not want this disease. Intensive radiation and chemotherapy (and. of course, death) will do a lot more harm than this vaccination.
@Katie-I'm with you, but why not just let these idiots kill off thier families? That will only leave more room for people who can think for themselves. Once these people have had it proven to them, when their kids are dying of the long term affects of over use of vaccines they will angrily ask the government why it allowed BigPharma to knowingly foist this holocaust on them. They wont even remember that you tried to warn them. If anything they will find a way to blame it on you. Remember, if they give their kids this one, they likely are giving them ALL the recommended jabs. You and I both know what the consequences of that will be. It will be sad, we will lament it; but we and ours will be alive and healthy. Sometimes this is all you can hope for.
Oh, please. You're making me laugh. What evidence do you have that anyone is going to be irreparably harmed by this vaccine?
And what evidence do you have that cervical cancer is better?
You are idiots.
Love how the article fails to point out that the strains of HPV that actually cause the cervical cancer are quite rare, and the ones that cause cancer in men... Well you're more likely to win a lottery.
Strange you would say that since the CDC states HPV is the main cause of cervical cancer, of which there are 12,000 new cases each year. (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hpv/vac-faqs.htm)
The amount of people in the U.S. that take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy is staggering and frightening.
the amount of people in the US, who believe The Big Vaccine Industry is in it, other then for profit is?????
refuse to read a vaccine package insert or check out the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund for known risks is????????
To many sheeple to count.
Brain washing begins early in Public School, continues through College , underlying idea taught, is : Just Trust Us Experts.
Sheeple suck.
Vaccines suck.
There are gaps in knowledge, continue to ignore that science and your children could be the unlucky ones who react badly after a vaccine.
Medical Science is not Infallible.
stupid sheeple.
where is the independent safety research and the guarantee one will not get cancer after getting this shot?
hint: there is none.
Where's your evidence that the chances one will get it are equal regardless of the vaccine, you moronic microcephalic idiot?
Oh, look. Another post full of writing that would embarrass and 7th grader, by the usual suspect, c.
My only issue here is that I predicted that there would suddenly find a benifit to boys as soon as they started calling for boys to be "vacinated to protect they girls that might be with" which I knew would not take off.
Now the "protecting girls" goal is/was a worthy one but I've seen to many snakey things happen to believe that these groups wouldn't spin data such that it supports their goals.
I kinda agree. Although, both genders should receive the vaccine to irradiate the virus. It's an opportunity to fight a virus. It benefits all of us. It's not about doing favors for each other.
Boys with HPV can develop penile or anal cancers not to mention the risk of throat and mouth cancer. HPV infects and kills both genders. Fortunately for males, these types of cancers don't have the high mortality rate of cervical cancer. Of course, I'd prefer my sons to never have any type of cancer.
Eradicate the virus, Rob.
perhaps someone with the native american genetic persuasion can contribute by telling us how not being vaccinated against European germs worked out for them?
Many of the civilizations were completely wiped off the face of the planet, and the ones who survived had losses in the 70 – 80% range?
As a father to a 7 month old baby girl, I understand the need to protect her against any form of medical illness if possible... However we simply do not know enough about the short or long term effects of the vaccine to inject it into our children. I also have grave concerns and doubts about the effectivness of a vaccine "designed for women" to prevent Cervical cancer being injected into young boys who obviously don't have that particular organ. It seems to me that "suggesting" or "urging" the parents of young boys to seek out this "vaccine" is more of a political corrective statement than it is about stopping this form of cancer.
Laugh or cry??? The vaccine protects against the HPV itself. It doesn't protect a particular organ!!!! Thus it also protects men. Which both protects them and any unvaccinated women they may have sex with – like their wives.
an you received your advanced immunology degree from...?
Dito to Joy...I don't know to laugh or crryyyyyyy about the comment not knowing why young boys should be HPV vaccinated since they don't have the particular organ. Oh geeeeeez?!?
This is simply a chicken or the egg argument. Vacinate the girls who "may" develope cervical cancer. Vacinate the boys so that they won't infect the girls. vacinate the mothers so that they won't give birth to infected children. Vacinate the fathers so they don't give transmit HPV to potential mothers...... where does it end? and still
Actually, only 1 of the 2 vaccines currently available has been tested on and approved for males – Gardasil. And, HPV causes more than cervical cancer – the testing done on the vaccine was not in regards to the safety of the cervix but in the prevention of a virus which infects the whole body. The blood doesn't have to be drawn from the cervix to show the virus.
The vaccine was designed for the HPV virus.
Jeeez......it's people like you who worry so much about the political aspects of every little thing out there. This is a GOOD thing!!! All this vaccine is doing is preventing boys from carrying/having the virus. Why is that an issue for argument?!?!?!?
big pharma knows whats best...
please, these vaccinations are a dangerous scam. sickening.
And of course you have proof, don't you? Post it, then, as a 'public service', troll.
@Ummmmm of course they are dangerous. Michelle Bachmann said so on Fox News. Everything these people see on Fox News is 100% accurate, didn't you know that?
Heh.
i think it was epidemic and needs to be stopped. but not forced. its your body, not theirs.
No no no. Bachmann doesn't know what she is talking about. You should listen to Jenny Mccarthy, she was much hotter than Bachmann. Although, I do think she made some great music back when she was in BTO.
you might be thinking of mmr. there was a lot of controversy over giving those three together when they had thimerosol in them (that was removed after this came out, but that's decades ago now). the thought was that if kids didn't have their b vitamins on board when they got the shot, that it could shortsircuit a neural pathway to their brain. some people (wakefield et al) showed to the mechanism why they thought that was true. thimerosol was removed. but pharma in general has other issues. most of the active ingredients come from other countries (mostly china) that aren't inspected very often. they are called "chemicals" there and don't have the same scrutiny that they would have if they were here. and we aren't good at catching tainted drugs that come from other countries.
im the last person to watch fox news.
if you need a scientific study to tell you injecting that sh!t in your kids is a bad idea, you dont deserve your kids. the possible risks vs. benefits is terrifying. whatever, this planet is inhabited mostly by braindead sheep who do whatever they're told (just like you guys)..try thinking for yourself, maybe there's still hope.
You know what they called parents like you back when the polio vaccine came out?
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Childless.
The evidence for this vaccine is clear in females but not nearly as convincing in males...especially those that aren't having sex with other men or those who don't have multiple partners (yes, there are still plenty of those kids out there too though we hear less about them). Penile and anal cancer is quite rare in heterosexual males. The benefit is probably more for females, which is certainly worth considering. Just a note of caution before mandating more vaccines for millions of male kids...we already give kids so many vaccines, no wonder why many don't want to come to the doctor's office.
Ummmmmmmmm what? What about the women they marry? A man can marry a virgin, give her the HPV, resulting in cervical cancer even though she has had only one partner her entire life. All it takes is one time (kind of like getting pregnant).
a german gynecologist told me once that women are getting cancer from men, but i didn't understand how at the time. i get it now.
Thank you for saying this. I am dreading my son's 11-year old wellness checkup because we want to wait on this vaccine–and I am afraid of the pushback from our family doctor. We have vaccinated for all the childhood diseases–MMR, DTAP, etc. because after reading the CDC and other literature, we agreed that any small risks were outweighed by benefits. So, I am not anti-vaccine at all. However, I am still concerned about this one given at such a young age when it has not been on the market very long and has no true longevity record of safety. I would feel much more 'okay' with it when he is 15 or 16, and it's been tested for a few more years. Do you have any advice on how I might broach this with our doctor, or just quietly and politely refuse, or ??
Im giving it to my girls, because unfortunate as it is, most men aren't dependable for much. protect your girls. its not the magic bullet for sure bu it will help
There won't be any pressure, Dee. This isn't covered by insurance. If you can't pay $165 for each vaccine, and it takes 3 shots, then you won't have any 'pushback' or whatever you called it.
What are you afraid of?
Still, be aware that many boys have already had their first sexual experience by age 14 in this country and your son COULD ALREADY BE INFECTED BY AGE 14! Why wait? He has to be a virgin, and the reason for protecting them so young is that kids think that oral sex and other games don't count...but they do count.
The treatment for penile cancer is amputation. Is that what you want for your son? Scary, I know, but that's what happens to men now if they get cancer of the penis. There's no other treatment, no chemotherapy.
Chartreuxe: What am I afraid of? Well, that in 5 years or 10 years, we'll hear that this drug may cause health problems in boys. DES. Thalidomide. Vioxx. They were all safe and tested, but big problems developed later. Like I said, I am not anti-vaccine–we have vaccinated regularly. I am, however, slightly skeptical of the marketing and the risk vs. benefits of this one in boys. Just because I have questions and concerns, don't try to make me seem like a parent who wants her son to lose his male parts, okay? And I never said we aren't going to get it at some point–maybe we will–just not at his 11 year old wellness visit. I just want more information and data. It's my family's decision–I was just hoping that the doctor who started this thread might have some suggestions on how to best discuss it with our own physician. BTW, I am LOL at the thought of my son having sex anytime soon (which gives us a window on the HPV vaccine decision). He's got ADHD and Aspergers. He, as an individual, is more likely to have sex with his computer than another human being.
PS: We live in a small town, and the few doctors here have advertisements for the HPV vaccines all over their offices. So you can see why I predict that there might be some 'argument' if we ask for a delay of a few years.
We will all be gender neutral by will of the liberal courts soon anyway, so what the heck, go for it.
Amazingly ignorant comment. This virus has a wide range of presentations and the vaccine most definitely works for both genders. It is no more a liberal conspiracy that the smallpox vaccine developed in the 1800s.
Idiotic and foolish, yup, you're a brick all right.
No worries, give em a couple years and it will be mandatory to even enroll in school. I know that the pharmas are lobbying hard so don't think they spend the money for not, so they will eventually get to coerce the American public to spend tens of billions to buy their overpriced vaccine to maybe "save" a few hundreds or thousands of lives.
Not withstanding there are probably a myriad of more cost effective things that could be done to save ten times as many lives with that same money.
Big Pharma = invent a solution then invent problems that require that solution.
Vaccines do not make large profits for pharmaceutical companies. Not to mention all three shots cost a whopping $360, which is usually covered by your insurer.
Silly comment. HPV is a real virus currently widely spread throughout the population. Are you stupid enough to really think it was invented by Big Pharma? It is a low profit item anyway, compared to things like Viagra.
WRONG! HPV is NOT covered for boys.
intersting that merck thought mandating it was right for girls, but boys are "urged" to get it. i agree that people should get it, but i hate the way they did that.
I took my son in for the HPV shot and my insurance (which is good insurance) refuses to cover it for boys. The charge for the first shot alone was over $300.
things always cost more when they think insurance is paying for it.
define "good insurance" .
Blame that on your kids doctors office. The price for Gardasil is $120 a shot, three shot series. Your doctor then added his own fees probably.
Insurance often times negotiates reimbursement rates for covered services. The doctor then writes the difference off and it looks cheaper on the EOB. However, those without coverage don't benefit from these reduced rates structures. They end up paying the full amount, which is probably even higher to subsidize the losses from the insurance reimbursement rates.
pharmalot . com/2012/01/pakistan-arrests-pharma-execs-over-patient-deaths/
I think I'll sit tight and wait and see while others take the shot rather than use any of my sons as guinea pigs. Merck rushed this thing to market shortly after the Vioxx scandal became public (2006) pressing parents to vaccinate their young daughters when they'd only tested it on grown women. I wouldn't trust Merck's word on the safety of anything until it's been out for several years. Look them up and see how many fingers they have in which pots before you decide to trust them.
I'm not suggesting that this is a bad vaccine, just that I don't immediately assume that they have my kids' best interests at heart. Your doctor only knows what the drug companies like Merck tell him. It is up to you as a parent to arm yourself with information.
And, yes, abstinence is possible and even probable outcome when parents are frank with their teens about the risks and responsibilities of sex. People act like this is an impossibility, that our teens are little better than animals with no self control. When we approach them with this assumption, we get what we expect. When we teach them self-control (wow, there's an outdated concept) and combine it with common sense dialogues (and firm, but flexible boundaries), we get young people who choose to delay sex until they are older.
Abstinence is bossible, but, you didn't practice it. Why do you expect your kids will?
Vioxx was an NSAID not a vaccine. NSAIDs are known for their tendency to increase risk of heart disease (look at Celebrex).
Your doctor knows more than what the drug companies are telling him. Doctors are required to have a solid background in chemistry so that they can understand and study how drugs work.
And yes, abstinence is possible but not a realistic goal in today's society. Premarital sex is considered the norm in young adults now. Your kids don't have to be promiscuous in high school to get HPV. And it doesn't require intercourse to transmit, some studies show even hand to genital contact can transmit HPV.
Here's a news flash: SOMETHING eventually has to and will kill everybody. I'd rather take my chances than allowing myself to be injected with God-knows-what in the form of a vaccine.
Then you should inform any women dumb or desperate enough to have s3x with you that you are quite possibly dangerous to their mental and physical health.
thumbs up @ patrick
and nice one @ ummmmm
pffflol
You're both completely brain-dead.
Is this not enough... http://www.truthaboutgardasil.org/memorial
No, nutjob. Just because you find something on the web doesn't make it true. After all, YOU'RE here.
I have a link to a video of a kitten singing a Puccini aria. If you send me 50 bucks, I'll get you a ticket to see him perform live at Lincoln Center.
You both lose all credibility when you start using name calling and making fun of people. You both are incredibly heartless human beings. I feel for the families who suffered these losses. I will not allow my children to be used as guinea pigs for this poison.
Nothing on that site it evidence of Gardasil causing death. I agree their deaths are tragic but they didn't even die of similar conditions. Just because they died within a few weeks of receiving this vaccine doesn't mean it was the cause.
too risky. i'm just not taking the chance.
Yeah, "too risky". Because cervical cancer is just SUCH a picnic.
Amy, go stick your head in the sand if you want. Nobody will miss you or your spawn.
As for your website, you are simply too gullible to be real. I suspect you're nothing but a troll.
Ummmm, stop commenting on my posts. You are worthless to me. You have zero credibility. You are the troll. You've been calling everyone you disagree with crazy, stupid, and whatever else. You are clearly not mature enough to debate anything. Are you even an adult? Adults don't behave the way you have been. What have you contributed to this subject today? Nothing except name calling. You've been especially rude to me, and I really don't care, but BACK OFF. No one cares what you have to say.
No, I don't think I will "back off", you kook. I'll continue to ridicule you until you either go away or produce proof that is credible of your idiotic statements. You can't produce it; your attempts to persuade anyone that your conspiracy theories are anything more than the cackling of some deranged hen.
I'm not going away. Get over it.
Hilarious. Amy the wart-lover demands that anyone who thinks she's unhinged "back off". What happened to your belief that this is a free country, Amy-kins? You don't think people should be forced to get vaccinated, do you? What makes you think you can tell others to "stop saying that"?
Poor Amy. It's sad when someone is mentally ill and won't get help.
There is a difference between correlation and causation. Nothing on that website has shown the vaccine they took was the cause of their death. It is stories from a bunch of parents that want closure to their daughters death. I'd suggest you find studies completed by people who actually trained to complete health studies and less on a random website that could even be faked before making health choices.
Let me understand this...girls in Texas are required by law to get the vaccine and boys are just strongly recommended? How messed up is that?
men are carriers, women are affected by it. its fcked up to make it required for anyone though. of course, if you put enough money where it needs to be, you can make anything mandatory.
How much money would it take to make it mandatory for you to get an education, brandon, and after that, to be rendered a eunuch?
I'd pay to see that!
look up truth about gardisil
The other thing is, that the strains that cause warts are not known for causing cancer and vice-versa. The cancer-forming strains are are just as invisible to the naked eye as CMV. Also, not clearly stated is the fact that it's harder to find the cancer-forming strains in males. With women it's easier, not necessarily pleasant, but easier to determine that she's infected with a non wart-forming strain.
Also, since one strain doesn't necessarily prevent you from getting another strain, warts doesn't mean you're safe from the cancerous one.
i would get the shot in a heartbeat. but i don't think it should be forced on me. or anyone else. i understand that it can be passed through rape. that's an issue. but i can protect my own self now. i understand why girls would need it young (because they are most likely to be dealing with rape issues and will suffer in silence. and a lot of them wouldn't be able to find the front door to health care without insurance. rare that young people have access to decent health care.)
i would say that people that are less likely to have access to health care are more likely to be chosen by a predator also.
The point isn't to vaccinate kids because they could be raped and get HPV, they are trying to vaccinate kids before they have sex. Studies estimate that at least half of adults who are sexually active have had some strain of HPV in their lives. The vaccine only covers 4 main ones known to have some pretty nasty side effects. Vaccination also only works if you haven't come in contact with it, which is typically pre-teens who haven't been having sexual encounters.
This vaccine is a SCAM. Mark my words, when this test population starts having children there will be some sort of issue that ties back to this vaccine.
like not having cancer maybe?
i agree that it seems too soon to be overly confident. but i still think we have to wipe it off the planet. without wiping us off.
not having and not spreading cancer. that would be good. if it works.
I agree why do you think their trying to soften us with, Jane's getting the shot just to be safe and Billy should get the shot because he doesn't want to be the cause.
"Soften us"? And just what, pray tell, would be the purpose? Really, you are just laughable, you loons.
That's ok everybody get your shot and when you get some weird cancer or your next generation can't procreate,
Let alone that BIG PHARMA stands to make a hell of a lot of money off this, where are the clinical trials, let's see the data revealed. I thought not!
The results of the clinical trials are open to the public. You just have to look for them. I'm afraid you don't really understand the concepts behind immunology and virology. This vaccine is not going to cause some 'weird cancer'. Instead its going to prevent a deadly and fast attacking cancer.
Fear it's their best and biggest weapon and it works everytime.
Apparently not every time.
HPV is nature's French Tickler.
...and who stands to make the money from this? Why, doctors & big pharma, or course! Face it folks, no one leaves Earth alive.
By all means, lets now inject all of our boys with this poison, so that we can protect THEM from cervical cancer....
Men are the biggest carrier and it can cause prostate and other cancers. IT'S GENITAL WARTS People the medical name for the virus that causes genital warts. LEARN and WAKE UP
Reading the article a bit more closely would tell you that they are not suggesting you vaccinate boys due to the risk they have of developing cervical cancer. What you should have seen is the part where HPV can also cause penile and anal cancers among other diseases such as genital warts and oral cancers.
read up on lime disease smart guy, they have not released anything, because they have not ironed out the financial details for it yet and there is a big epidemic in the North-West. But sense you can copyright virus now they have to secure the profits before they secure the public.
There was a Lyme disease vaccine being researched but there was some evidence of autoimmune problems as a side effect so it was shelved until further research could be done. And the "epidemic" is in the northeast. The increased prevalence of Lyme disease is partially contributed to the lack of control (aka hunting) of white tailed deer in the northeast.
I know a sure fire cure without having to inject yourself with harmful chemicals! Its called ABSTINENCE... gee who would have thunk it!
If you are like most people, eventually you plan on getting married and having kids which would require you to no longer be abstinent. While you may be sure you don't have it, your partner still may. Taking the steps to keep yourself safe is not dumb.
you don't have to have sex you stupid read up on HPV it can be transmited from just contact. not just sexual contact.
Who is having sex at the age of 11 and 12 years of age????????????
The point is to make sure someone gets the vaccine before they get exposed to the virus.
Sexual contact is not the only way the disease is communicated. Furthermore, if you think there aren't any 11- or 12-year-olds having sex, you're living in on another planet.
The only evidence I'd need to conclude that Gardasil is a positive is the posts by the conspiracy nuts and their pals, the illiterate dolts who are so clueless they can barely figure out how to tie their own shoes.
Vaccine sales must be low. This article brought to you by Big Pharma(tm)...
This HPV "disease" is completely overblown. I know a few women and men that have this (I work at a care center) and have never had cancer. Yes they have had warts once or twice but after that didn't see them either. It depends on the strain you attract. Stick to your vitamins and B100 if you have it and you will be fine. Who knows what they are dumping into your body along with that vaccine.
As a 53 year old man who is currently receiving radiation treatment for throat cancer caused by HPV, having never smoked and been married almost 30 years, I wish I had the vacination, would surely be better than facing cancer and the radiation treatments, they are no fun at all!! btw my specialist says and I realize there are different opinions, I would not be fighting cancer right now if I had been vacinated at an earlier age!!
Don't fall for it. My daughter has had two shots and has had two seizures since. She will not be getting the third shot! Just another ploy for companies to make a lot of money without worrying about the adverse reactions our children could experience. My daugther never had a seizure in her life until she had this da*n shot!
And? That doesn't mean the vaccine caused it. Correlation does not equal causation. Furthermore, I don't believe a word of your story. I suspect you are another troll, just like the rest of the crazies here.
Sue the sh!t out of them
HEADS UP PEOPLE.. this is no joke.. my brother, who was a rock star, ending up having way too much oral sex w/ fans.. the HPV virus hit the tonsil and then metastatized to the side of the neck.. this is the leading cause of neck cancer in the u.s, and that cancer is really horrible... and all can be avoided w/ a simple vaccination. He's missing all the muscles on the right side of his neck, all his teeth (radiation damage to saliva glands) and his jugular vein.. on disability an permanent pain meds due to radiation nerve damage.. Nothing to fool around with.. if you love your kid.. get them vaccinated!
Alternatively we can encourage them to avoid being a rock star and having oral sex with fans. That probably works better.
Well, it'll certainly work for you Spayed Nitwit, being as you weigh in at 390 lbs and have a face that would stop a clock.
Can't wait to hear Michelle Bachmann on this issue. She'll claim she talked to a mother who claimed her son grew breast after the vaccine.
What is this world coming to! Safe sex people!
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..on your hand you probably have about a 1000 strains of HPV and other viruses..do you use condom or gloves..
If HHS and the Obama Administration supports this then beware and folow the money!
Well 90% cervical cancers, 30% laryngeal carcinoma, 60% anal carcinoma, 20% lung squamous cell carcinoma..not to mention the laryngeal papilomatosis in kids all caused by HPV strains. Now 800 people die a day in elevators, thousand in motor accidents, people smoke, drink use over the counter medications like aspirin and yet they are afraid from a vaccine which does not contain a virus but virus-like particles which are non-infectious ? No wonder they voted for Bush...2 times and now complain..these people always blame someone else for their own stupidity...
Hear, hear!
All you sheep get your shots...Darwinism at its finest
Yeah, and you die of cervical or oral cancer. Justice!
if you good little obedient and trusting americans believe every word your infallible media and infallible government say, do you ever wonder why mr. college dropout bill gates thinks he is an expert on vaccines? oops im a crazy tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who for some reason cant understand how fire could bring down a 47 story steel framed skyscraper in less than 7 seconds. keep your trust in the government. there are NEVER bad people in the united states government. your right where they want you to be. go baa baa baa you good little patriotic sheep. i feel sorry for your blindness.
The nice men in the white coats will be along shortly with your Thorazine drip, dumbazz.
I'm fine with vaccines but can't they do a better job and at least make one that works with more than just 4 strands of HPV?
They probably will. And nut-jobs like Amy and her ilk will decry those, too.
You can lead a horse to water...
Meanwhile, researchers work every single day to produce cures, treatments and preventative measures for diseases and disorders. Those who bleat on about "Big Pharma" seem to think this research is without expense and that researchers, scientists, sales representatives, and CEOs should do their work for free, while of course they themselves draw a wage at their jobs. They are idiots.
If a lady goes for a yearly exam, she will be tested for HPV. HPV does not cause "fast growing" cancers. They are actually fairly slow-growing which is why they only recommend women getting paps every 2-3 years now. If you are having sex, you have to be responsible and see your dr. But instead, many women are going to get this vaccine and think they are safe from cervical cancers, when in fact, they are not. There are many strains not covered by this vaccine that do cause cancer. I will teach my daughter to see her dr. on a regular basis!
Wrong. There is no "test" for HPV. She will be tested for abnormal cervical cells that may become cancerous. The vaccine can immunize women from 4 of the strains of HPV that cause such cancers and thereby prevent them.
If you think waiting for a repeat Pap smear because something looks abnormal is a treat, by all means, don't vaccinate. Let your daughter stew in her own juices and suffer the consequences of having had *gasp* s3x.
@notnecessary,
Yeah, women are tested for HPV at a yearly exam, but it is a little too late at that point. The doctor can only treat the cancer once it occurs, the vaccine is the only way to PREVENT the cancer from occurring. I don't know about you, but I would rather have a vaccine than go through chemo and radiation. I don't think a lot of the people on here have ever seen anyone with cancer and how horrible it is to go through regardless if it is a slow growing cancer or not. They might have a greater chance of catching it early enough for a good prognosis but they still have to go through all the pain and anguish of the treatments.
The vaccine targets the strain that causes 70% of the cancers and 90% of the genital warts. This a big step in preventing 70% of cervical cancers, I don't think you understand how big of a number that is when it comes to cancer and saving women's lives. Furthermore, I think your argument about women thinking they are safe isn't well thought out. Women still need to get a yearly exam, where a pap smear is a regularly performed....they will still be getting the same tests. If you are saying they will feel they have an open book to not have safe sex, that is truly unfounded and absurd. There is always HIV and tons of other STD's to help scare your daughter into thinking twice and using a condom.
There is a HPV test, but it doesn't do anything to prevent any of these complications since there is no cure. The thinking of notnecessary is that same as someone thinking that they will just wait until they get smallpox instead of getting the vaccination back before it was eradicated.
Definitely not saying I think women will think they are safe to have sex freely. I'm saying that they may not have a pap as often as needed because they will probably think they are safe from cervical cancer anyways since they had "the shot". Those that are well educated will understand the need for a yearly exam, but not everyone is well educated. And if you get a yearly pap, and they find dysplasia, it is taken care of in an easy office procedure. My point is, if you get a yearly pap, they can find it soon enough, take care of it, and you'll more than likely not ever get cancer and need radiation, chemo, etc. Fear mongers!
So you're not "fear mongering" when you state that this vaccine will make women careless about a yearly pap smear? Where's your evidence for that? Have any? No, of course you don't. You're just assuming that the vaccine will give women a false sense of security because they're not all "well educated". Don't you think THAT would be easier to treat than cancer? All it takes is education. Get some.
The FDA could learn something from Spain:
"Feb 10 (Reuters) – Spain's Health Ministry has ordered hospitals and chemists to temporarily halt the use of a batch of cervical cancer vaccine Gardasil, produced by drugmaker Merck & Co (MRK.N), after two girls became ill after a shot."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/02/10/tb-merck-gardasil-suspension-idUSLA56308620090210
Oh, yah, cuz Spain is SUCH a mecca of scientific thought and discovery.
Please, voter, get a friggin' clue.
voter, here are some more quotes from the story you posted:
"In both cases, other medical conditions (in the girls) have been observed and are being investigated which could be the cause of the reported events," said Sanofi Pasteur MSD, adding that 40 million doses of Gardasil had been distributed worldwide since its launch in 2006, without showing evidence of concerns."
it was a specific batch they thought might be contaminated (or some other illness in the girls) not the vaccine itself. If it was contaminated, that is tragic, but chemists and medical professionals are not infallible. Heparin saves but there have been mistakes that have been deadly it has adverse reactions and there have been problems with Chinese ingredients....but we aren't discontinuing it's use in medicine because the benefits out weigh the risks. This is actually the case in most medical procedures. Some people have adverse reactions to anesthesia and we really don't know who these people are until they are put under. Sometimes these people die because of the reaction, we aren't halting surgery for all people. We take precautions, we try to limit the risks as much as possible and in the end, the benefits to the masses outweigh the risks to the few.
"Dr. Jacques Moritz, director of gynecology at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital, said he would not offer the Gardasil vaccine to patients when good cervical cancer screening techniques and treatments exist. He has also chosen not to have his 11-year-old daughter get the HPV shot because of his concerns. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717
So what? You and he are proof that idiots abound.
I think this is a great point, too. I've been trying to get the point across, but people are blockheads and won't listen to reason. If you find any kind of dysplasia early enough (and if you get yearly paps, you WILL find it early enough), then they can do a simple office procedure that takes care of it. I know, I had dysplasia 17 years ago, due to HPV. I have had normal paps since and never developed cancer. I also just tested negative for HPV. Seeing your doctor every year for an exam is so important and it is my prediction that many women who receive the vaccine will no longer see this necessary. They will hear they are preventing cancer and not know that there are numerous other strains that the shot doesn't cover that can cause cancer. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the next 15 years, we actually see a rise in cervical cancer mortality.
Well, you just keep track of it then, dearie. The fact is that you are pretending that this vaccine will somehow cause women to be dumb enough not to know that cancer can still occur. Why would you believe that? And if you think that's the case, then the solution is education, not neglecting to get the vaccine.
Does getting the flu shot make you less likely to wash your hands?
That's no sign of a duck's nest. So she was one of the researchers. What about all the OTHER people who did the research? Why is it she is the outlier? You make it sound as though the fact that she expressed some concerns about Garasil is enough to hang your hat on. It isn't.
You're free to reject the vaccination. What gets me is all the nonsensical "Big Pharma conspiracy" crap that always gets posted on these boards by people who are clearly unbalanced.
from JAMA:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/7/795.full
"First, there are more than 100 different types of HPV and at least 15 of them are oncogenic. The current vaccines target only 2 oncogenic strains: HPV-16 and HPV-18. Second, the relationship between infection at a young age and development of cancer 20 to 40 years later is not known. HPV is the most prevalent sexually transmitted infection, with an estimated 79% infection rate over a lifetime5,6 The virus does not appear to be very harmful because almost all HPV infections are cleared by the immune system.7,8 In a few women, infection persists and some women may develop precancerous cervical lesions and eventually cervical cancer. It is currently impossible to predict in which women this will occur and why. Likewise, it is impossible to predict exactly what effect vaccination of young girls and women will have on the incidence of cervical cancer 20 to 40 years from now. The true effect of the vaccine can be determined only through clinical trials and long-term follow-up. "
And if you're willing to gamble your daughters' futures on this, then go right ahead, you moron. I won't.
Didn't you read? Too much is not known about this vaccine. If you want to use your kids as guinea pigs, go ahead. My kids will not be getting Gardasil. They do not know enough about the benefits but the risks are there for sure.
Plenty IS known, you diphs#it. You simply crave 100% certainty and you're willing to gamble your kids' lives on it.
You don't have a clue. But that's okay. As for me and my house, we'll go by the facts, not the fears. You can do as you wish. You deserve what you get.
there was also all this uproar over the smallpox vaccine....and how much to you like the fact that a smallpox vaccine existed now? If all the anti-vaccination voices ruled the day back then we would still be fighting it and dying of it. I've seen a lot of people who only wish they could have had this vaccine. Visit an oncology ward.
Plenty is known? Really? Ok so tell me:
– how long does the vaccine last?
– if you vaccinate a 9 year old today, will she have protection when she becomes sexually active?
– will there be a booster shot? when?
The Journal of American Medicine (JAMA) has some important points, too bad you missed them
Good luck and I hope your kids do not have adverse side effects because you are probably too old to get the shot, which is approved only for ages 9 to 26
Unlike smallpox btw, you cannot get HPV through casual contact. Look it up on sites such as the CDC,, FDA, other medical sites.
I notice you can't produce any proof that the vaccine is more deadly than the disease it prevents, voter dolt. Not surprising, really. You don't appear to be very bright.
and unlike smallpox or other illnesses like polio, the risk of dying from HPV is very small, as 95 percent of people clear the virus on their own.
Polio for instance is a necessary vaccine because if you do get the virus, the complications are really bad (that is not the case with HPV).
I am not anti vaccine but I am anti-Gardasil. My kids have all required shots except Gardasil. Unlike other vaccines, the benefits of Gardasil (which are not well known) do not outweigh the risks
If you travel to Africa you can get polio if you are not vaccinated but you cannot get HPV unless you have intimate contact with an infected person. If you are do get HPV, there is a 95% chance that you will clear the virus on your own.
Here are some statistics:
"The risks of serious adverse events including death reported after Gardasil use in (the JAMA article by CDC's Dr. Barbara Slade) were 3.4/100,000 doses distributed. The rate of serious adverse events on par with the death rate of cervical cancer. Gardasil has been associated with at least as many serious adverse events as there are deaths from cervical cancer developing each year. "
In what year, voter? Why is it you can't figure out how to post a link so people don't have to take your suspect word for these "facts".
In addition, why would you believe that a single source of information is sufficient to warrant scaring others? You're not doing a favor here, dear. You're simply relishing being the bearer of what you deem bad news.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500690_162-5253431.html
"In addition, why would you believe that a single source of information is sufficient to warrant scaring others? "
When that source is the lead Gardasil researcher....
"Dr. Harper helped design and carry out the Phase II and Phase III safety and effectiveness studies to get Gardasil approved, and authored many of the published, scholarly papers about it. She has been a paid speaker and consultant to Merck. It's highly unusual for a researcher to publicly criticize a medicine or vaccine she helped get approved. "
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500690_162-5253431.html
Of course treatment exists but it is much better to prevent it. Most women can't have children after being treated for cervical cancer; the main treatments are chemotherapy, radiation and a hysterectomy. These are usually women in the prime of their child bearing years so this is a big issue for them.