Embattled autism study author sues medical journal for defamation
Dr. Andrew Wakefield authored a 1998 study that was retracted by the journal The Lancet.
January 6th, 2012
07:22 PM ET

Embattled autism study author sues medical journal for defamation

A doctor whose research on autism has been discredited by many medical authorities is launching a lawsuit against the British Medical Journal, as well as a freelance journalist and one of the journal's editors.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield is the author of a controversial 1998 autism study and has linked the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to causing autism. In his lawsuit, he alleges that the British Medical Journal (BMJ), and specifically writer Brian Deer and editor Dr. Fiona Godlee, defamed him. They have made "unfair, incorrect, inaccurate and unjust criticisms of findings previously reported by Dr. Wakefield and 12 other co-authors," a petition filed in Travis County, Texas, states.

Wakefield's medical license was taken away in Britain in 2010 after a lengthy investigation into his research on children with autism.

One year ago this week, the British Medical Journal published the first of a series of articles calling Wakefield's controversial research fraudulent. They accused Wakefield of misrepresenting or altering the medical histories of all 12 of the patients involved in the 1998 study. Deer, the author of the articles, said last year he thought Wakefield should face criminal charges.

Wakefield's petition denies that Wakefield fraudulently and intentionally manipulated or falsified data or diagnoses in the study published in the journal Lancet in 1998. Twelve years later, in February 2010, three months before Wakefield lost his licence, the Lancet retracted the 1998 study because they said it became clear parts of the paper were "incorrect."

The petition states that this "malicious publication of the false statements about Dr. Wakefield" continue to cause damages such as "injury to character and reputation, humiliation, injury to feelings, and loss of earning capacity."

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta questioned Wakefield in 2011 - watch here.

Deer told CNN Friday he has not received the petition, although he is aware of its existence. A statement on behalf of Deer and the British Medical Journal defended what had appeared in the journal previously: "While we await formal service, unsurprisingly the BMJ and Mr. Deer stand by the material published in the BMJ and their other statements and confirm that they have instructed lawyers to defend the claim vigorously."

The petition cites interviews Deer did with CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 and CNN's American Morning in 2011 among examples of defamatory statements made by Deer. CNN is not implicated in the petition. It also takes issue with an editorial written by Godlee calling Wakefield's paper "an elaborate fraud."

Wakefield has brought claims and made complaints against Deer, as well as other news outlets, in relation to the Lancet study, but none of these have been successful, the British Medical Journal statement said.

A call to Wakefield's lawyer was not immediately returned.

Wakefield now lives in Austin, Texas, the petition said.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin finds it surprising that Wakefield would launch this lawsuit in the United States instead of Great Britain, because with the freedom of the press, it's harder to win a libel suit of this nature in the U.S.

Related coverage:

Vaccine study's author held related patent, medical journal reports

Probe of early autism-vaccine complaints was limited, report says

Autism Day in the shadow of Wakefield

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  1. I have lived Autism for years!

    To say the Amish have no Autistic children is outrageous!....and to state facts such as only three Amish children ever have, but they were vacinated??? rediculous! We have Autistic children in our family, and very few have read up on Autism more than myself, along with being members of Autism groups , work shops and societies. A little bit of internet searching does not an expert make. Real life experiences and common sense must over come all the bloody conspiracy theories out there. Big Pharma my aunt fanny. They could sell a cure just the same and make more money.

    January 7, 2012 at 00:41 | Report abuse | Reply
    • NyteShayde

      It's spelled ridiculous. The rest of your post is just tired ranting.

      January 7, 2012 at 03:38 | Report abuse |
    • AutismNewsBeat

      The Amish/Autism myth was started by a UPI reporter in 2005.


      January 7, 2012 at 14:57 | Report abuse |
    • victor pavlovic

      There are over 55 variations of Amish, so when you say there is autism among the Amish I assume you are talking about the variation that gets vaccinated, or the foster children that are taken in by the Amish, and have been vaccinated before their arrival.Let me give you a hint, you don't know what you're talking about, go to Holmes county Ohio and see for yourself, NO Amish with autism.And this is one of the largest Amish communities in the U.S.

      January 7, 2012 at 23:13 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      You are such an imbecile it's hard to believe you have access to a computer. The Amish DO have autism. Your little anecdote is meaningless. Statistics matter and you don't have any. You can claim anything on the web, you dufus. Prove your assertions. You should be able to cite sources that prove that autism doesn't occur among the Amish.

      The fact is that it does and has. It is ALSO untrue that the Amis don't vaccinate, but morons like you will repeat the canard regardless, because you choose to remain stupid and ignorant.

      January 7, 2012 at 23:28 | Report abuse |
    • jimbo

      If the reason no Amish have autism is that they don't vaccinate, something is very wrong. We know autism is primarily genetic and also influenced by antenatal factors.
      Do the Amish have none of these? They would be quite unique if they did – perhaps they posess a gene that prevents autism?

      Occam's razor applies. Amish *do* vaccinate, around 50% or so when I last heard. If vaccines caused autism, then significant numbers of them should have autism, and in fact their autism rate should be between 50-100% of the rate seen in other poulations. (It would be 50% if vaccines are the sole cause of autism, and somewhere between 50%-100% if vaccines are a minor cause or do not cause autism, and autism is mostly caused by other things).

      January 8, 2012 at 05:59 | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      A glance into the "Amish have no autism therefore vaccines cause autism" shows how ridiculous it is. The Amish doctor quoted has no understanding of autism whatsoever and would not recognize anything but the most extreme case of autism. Furthermore, vaccination is not the only difference between Amish and the general population. They don't watch TV. They don't drive cars. They don't play video games. They don't eat as many chemically-laden fast foods or microwave foods in plastic. They generally get more exercise and sunshine. They also share different genes. Any or all of these things could contribute to differences in medical histories. But don't forget, the vast majority of autism cases would not be recognized or diagnosed by the Amish Dr. who gets quoted on this. It is yet another myth promoted by the anti-vax industry. They just want to make money off of anyone and everyone they can by selling their half-baked theories.

      January 8, 2012 at 10:21 | Report abuse |
    • People are bad at statistics

      Why did I read his/her post as being pro-vaccine? Seemed like they were questioning whether the Amish not having autism data was correct. At the end it seems like they are countering the big pharma incentive to force vaccines on people by manipulating data by claiming that pharma companies could easily make money by treating the diseases they didn't create vaccines for. Maybe I'm just out of it today because like 8 different people responded as if this threat was anti-vaccine.

      January 9, 2012 at 13:11 | Report abuse |
  2. Curmodgeon

    The good doctor has been soundly discredited by his peers as well as other experts in the field. His research methods were found seriously wanting and his unprofessional conduct was exposed. I suspect his suit will garner him nothing except more notoriety and further disapproval of his lamentable behavior.

    The sad part of this tale is that his bogus study results were taken as gospel by thousands of distraught parents and care-givers of autistic children. Furthermore, his allegations have caused many parents to withhold vaccinations for their children, thus exposing them to the effects of serious preventable diseases.

    A bona-fide charlatan, he should be tarred and feathered and ridden out of the medical community on the proverbial rail.

    January 7, 2012 at 00:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Syndrome Zed

      No one will probably read this, but I just want to say that it's not defamation when it's true. I do autism research and have first-hand knowledge of the lost time and money you're talking about, where a real cure could have been found if not for the distraction he created with his b-s data. So on behalf of the scientific community, I hope someone accidentally infects him with a prion and his brain slowly turns to the mush that it really is.

      January 7, 2012 at 01:21 | Report abuse |
    • Kamikaze

      Funny that's what they said about Dr. Atkins

      January 7, 2012 at 01:36 | Report abuse |
    • John M.

      you can't prove that his research is bogus as you claim, just as he can't prove is not bogus, the study resulted in his professional opinion, and how many times have doctors disagree on medical assessment? thousands? I believe the doc has a right to sue b/c the other parties will have to prove that his research was fraudulent

      January 7, 2012 at 02:15 | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      To John M.

      Are you completely stupid or do you just practice hard at it?

      Wakefields research has been completely discredited. You don't get struck off the UK medical register without stringent investigation and due dilligence. The fact that we was struck off is a damming indictment in of itself.

      He is a liar, a research falsifier and a Charlatan. Thousands of Children have become unnecessarily sick because their didnt receive the MMR vaccination because of this clown.

      January 7, 2012 at 03:00 | Report abuse |
    • NyteShayde

      "... I hope someone accidentally infects him with a prion and his brain slowly turns to the mush that it really is."

      If it's already mush, why would it need to be infected?

      January 7, 2012 at 03:41 | Report abuse |
    • Todd

      To Kamikaze: yup, they did say that about Aitkins. Guess what, they were right. All those millions of people went on that fad diet. Didn't seem to make much of a dent in this country's obesity rates, now did it?

      January 7, 2012 at 10:06 | Report abuse |
    • jalommy

      The incidence of children with autism, allergies, ADD and chronic fatigue syndrome has gone up massively with the rise in vaccinations. Vacicnations contain harmful substances and a childs immune system is not fully developed until they are three so vaccinating to produce antibodies from 8 weeks along with the aluminium etc used as preservative seems likely to cause some ill effect. Sadly this is showing up in doctors surgeries around the world but the medical establishment, who after all trained the doctors making the diagnoses, refuses to acknowlege the link.
      There's a lot of evidence out there which is against vaccination. A book called 'Make an Informed Vaccine Decision' may help those deciding. We need to become more informed on this controversial and emotive topic.
      If you are so sure there is no link, please ask yourself why? Who told you? Who told them? Who makes money from the vaccination programmes to which people so unquestioningly submit their children?
      A lot of people believed in witchcraft 400 years ago...(in some parts of the world they still do). I don't know enough about the ins and outs of Dr Wakefield's research to argue his case in detail; but I do know mothers whose children have autism and chronic fatigue syndrome which has come about after their immune systems have been hypersensitized by the MMR and cervical cancer jabs respectively (also poss due to build up of toxicity from past jabs). This real life experience is what's got me questioning the status quo. It's a massively complex issue; of course the vaccination programme is beneficial in many ways; but at what price? Is there a better way? I hope so.

      January 8, 2012 at 06:13 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      I'll bring the tar.

      January 8, 2012 at 12:55 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      @Jalommy: The incidence of Autism has also risen exponentially with the use of pesticides and artificial fertilisers in our foods. Preliminary research indicates there's a link between the two, as well as a link between the cancer rates in our populations. Vaccinations are a red herring.

      Before you mention mercury, it's been out of vaccines nearly a decade. Still we have 1 of every 110 children born in this country with some form of Autism. I speak as a mother who has raised an Autistic to the age of 24 years. He's failing in college and may spend his entire life on public assistance. We've never taken a penny before but the costs of maintaining him are financially crippling. I haven't been able to have a career because he's required my attention 24/7 but I'm getting burned out now.

      Sure, why not blame something that's been proven *not* to be at fault. That way more kids won't be vaccinated and the population numbers will be lowered. I'm down with that. [/sarcasm] Of course, heartbroken parents will be everywhere and they'll be at fault, not to mention innocent children will pay the price.

      January 8, 2012 at 13:13 | Report abuse |
    • Elspeth

      While one commenter is correct, it is not slander or liable if it is true, you can have defamation regardless of truth. He appears to have actually sued for all three causes.

      That being said, his detractors claim that his research has been "debunked" yet NO ONE can definitively state what the cause or causes of autism are. For all we know, the very few patients he studied did have their autism caused by e MMR vaccine but his research is not applicable to all other children with autism because of some factor or other.

      Until the people calling him a fraduster can PROVE their statements are true, the statements are per se liable and slander. As a result he need only prove that they were stated with malice or intention to harm his reputation. From the comments on this board that appears to be the outcome so he may be nearly 50% of the way there already

      January 9, 2012 at 11:31 | Report abuse |
    • SeanNJ

      @Elspeth: You said, "That being said, his detractors claim that his research has been "debunked" yet NO ONE can definitively state what the cause or causes of autism are."

      That doesn't make his methods or results any more valid. You're making a strawman argument.

      You also said, "For all we know, the very few patients he studied did have their autism caused by e MMR vaccine but his research is not applicable to all other children with autism because of some factor or other."

      Since his methods were shown to be...ahem...questionable at best...then his research isn't applicable to the few patients he DID study. You do realize that we aren't lacking for a good sample size of either MMR vaccine recipients or autistic patients, right? Even looking at this epidemiologically would yield more useful results than what Wakefield produced.

      You also said, "Until the people calling him a fraduster can PROVE their statements are true, the statements are per se liable and slander. As a result he need only prove that they were stated with malice or intention to harm his reputation."

      If they can prove he altered patient histories, then that's all that's required of them.

      January 9, 2012 at 13:10 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      It's telling that Elspeth believes herself to be knowledgeable about the law, but thinks the word is "liable". It's LIBEL.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:21 | Report abuse |
    • Shannon

      @Chartreuxe: Thank you for pointing out facts that some anti-vax people love to ignore.

      Also people keep saying to follow the money. Yeah why don't we? Pharma barely makes anything on vaccines but they make quite a lot of money on heart disease medications. Keep feeding your kids processed/fast food but rejecting vaccines. That will teach Big Pharma.

      January 10, 2012 at 10:31 | Report abuse |
  3. Annexian

    The New World Order wants it's poisoned vaccines to cripple and maim a portion of the population to ensure money for big medicine. IMO, there could be a "Binary Poison" in them that when combined with other injections, even gas easily sprayed in the air will kill people, for population control.

    January 7, 2012 at 01:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • jg

      Wow. That is a whole big bag of crazy.

      January 7, 2012 at 01:17 | Report abuse |
    • Robert Johnson

      Alert! Annexian has escaped from the Psych Ward. Annexian was last seen wearing a tin foil hat on a street corner, while spouting conspiracy theories. Annexian is considered less dangerous than annoying. Report sightings to local authorities so Annexian can be helped to resume necessary medications.

      January 7, 2012 at 01:30 | Report abuse |
    • Really Jersey

      There is a sale on tinfoil right now. If you hurry you can buy enough to make a hat for everyone who believes this crock of sh!t.

      January 7, 2012 at 01:41 | Report abuse |
    • jimbo

      Annexian, it seems like your account has been hacked by a paranoid schizo. I'd check and do something about it if I were you.

      January 8, 2012 at 06:01 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      Lamest troll ever.

      January 8, 2012 at 13:14 | Report abuse |
    • JS

      Your words lread ike the ravings of a lunatic.

      January 9, 2012 at 07:27 | Report abuse |
  4. paulbark

    All I hear when this doctor talks is "quack, quack, quack."

    January 7, 2012 at 01:11 | Report abuse | Reply
    • shinden58

      Classic. Thanks for sharing.

      January 7, 2012 at 19:54 | Report abuse |
  5. jesse

    Funny, it takes quite a bit for them to yank your medical license. That unto itself is evidence leveled agenst him. Fact of the matter is that he lied and got caught on it. In so doing he has shot his leg off in any law suit that involves his "research."

    January 7, 2012 at 01:21 | Report abuse | Reply
  6. Robert Johnson

    If Wakefield couldn't win a libel suit in Britain, he has absolutely no chance in the U.S. His bogus study resulted in unnecessary anxiety among millions of parents for 12 years. Additionally, thousands of children died of easily preventable diseases because Wakefield's fraud led parents to avoid vaccinations for their children. He should be held accountable for their deaths.

    January 7, 2012 at 01:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • NyteShayde

      Read the article again, Robert.

      January 7, 2012 at 03:42 | Report abuse |
    • Opportunity

      I'd like to see where you get the numbers of ALL the THOUSANDS of people who died as a result of not getting Rubella, Measles and Mumps Vaccines. As they are not normally fatal. When I looked up deaths from Mumps cases, it showed a few over 300 WORLDWIDE. Now, IF this stuff has even a chance of causing your child a permanent handicap you'd want to be sure, right? I've got several friends who have autistic children and they were concerned about it being caused from the vaccines YEARS before these people did this study. Do you have an autistic child, Mr. Johnson? Exactly.....so, where's your thousands dead data? I'd LOVE to see that.

      January 7, 2012 at 04:28 | Report abuse |
    • kyle

      Hmm, check the world health organization lately mr. opportunity?
      Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
      In 2008, there were 164 000 measles deaths globally – nearly 450 deaths every day or 18 deaths every hour.
      More than 95% of measles deaths occur in low-income countries with weak health infrastructures.
      Measles vaccination resulted in a 78% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2008 worldwide.
      In 2010, about 85% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 72% in 2000.

      January 7, 2012 at 05:04 | Report abuse |
    • AutismNewsBeat

      A rubella outbreak in the US in 1964-65 caused congenital rubella syndrome in about 20,000 babies.

      Mumps can cause sterility and deafness. Measles kills about 1:1,500 kids it infects in developed countries. It can also lead to pneumonia and brain damage.

      January 7, 2012 at 15:04 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      Fewer than 100 children died in Britain. Get the facts straight, when science is involved hyperbole must go out the door.

      January 8, 2012 at 13:16 | Report abuse |
  7. Really Jersey

    The Jenny McCarthy body count caused by Mr Wakefield's bogus research study is still rising. From June 3, 2007 to December 17, 2011 there have been 87,569 preventable illnesses with 866 preventable deaths... In that time there have been 0 cases of vaccine caused autism. Lets hear it for Wakefield, the license removed Quack..... Whoop, Whoop, Whooping Cough! (Extreme Sarcasm). Parents of the dead children should picket the courthouse.

    January 7, 2012 at 01:39 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Opportunity

      Gotta love all you people who pop all these numbers out of thin air. Where's your proof that it is as a direct result of a published study done by this guy and his associates? Where's your proof to us that YOUR numbers even relate to the vaccines in the story? As we've all seen we MUST TRUST the almight medicne and crap we buy at the store as it's all designed to HELP us, like Acetaminophen and those other anti-inflammatory drugs that are soon to be removed because the rot people's liver and cause other damage. Go ahead, trust it blindly, stick your child's arm up there without questioning what's in that shot. R E A L smart thinking.

      January 7, 2012 at 04:37 | Report abuse |
    • Entertained Tyler

      "R E A L smart thinking."

      I suppose in your opinion, its smart to not vaccinate children from fatal illnesses over the disproven data from a fraud.. because your kids could be slower, and in turn burden you. /golf clap for the parent of the year.

      January 7, 2012 at 13:30 | Report abuse |
    • aefountain

      Entertained Tyler
      instead of a golf clap, could you use your hands to help me with the over 40,000 diapers I have changed in 18 years. Could you use them to help clean up the foul explosion of bowel matter that has spewed outside of the adult diaper he wears, because he hasn't been able to go in 4 days. Could you use them to stroke a calm in him when he is screaming in anguishing pain, because he just doesn't understand. Could you use them to flip the finger to persons who feel the constant need to stare us down at the mall, because he flaps his arms and grunts, instead of acting normal. Could you use your hands to console his older brother because he is torn between his high-school friends who ridicule those who are different and his little brother who is defenseless. Could you use them to elbow the kid who pushed my disabled child from a bus? Maybe you could use them to hold open a door for a single parent because their loser spouse split when they couldn't handle a disabled child. Maybe you could use those same hands to 'sign' hello to my son.
      Keep your 'parent of the year' award and live in my shoes for a week. And I am one of the lucky ones because my son does not have immediate medical issues nor has behavioural issues.

      January 7, 2012 at 15:52 | Report abuse |
    • E

      His study was based on TWELVE people, that alone makes it invalid and non scientific. He started a worldwide panic that has caused thousands of deaths and injuries and taken resources away from the REAL causes and treatments for autism in addition to destroying any real discussion about vaccine schedules.

      January 7, 2012 at 21:16 | Report abuse |
    • jimbo

      aefountain, I presume you are describing the problems of caring for a child with measles encephalitis brain damage.
      They can be very challenging and it is heartbreaking to see kids suffer from preventable diseases.

      January 8, 2012 at 06:05 | Report abuse |
    • aefountain

      I am describing my son who is completely undiagnosed with autistic tendancies. The biggest difference is he is tactile, makes eye contact and is very loving and wants to be around people. Therefore, not autistic. I do not believe my son's disability was caused by the MMR. I want an answer, so I can make his life happier than it currently is and provide treatment for an even better quality of life than he has.
      Until a Canadian doctor wishes to help me find out what is wrong with his bowels and his stomach (turn a blind eye to another disabled kid), then he wont' be further vaccined, i.e. flu shots.
      There is enough evidence that what goes into vaccines can cause problems in certain individuals. Until they can tell me what is behind my son's stomach and bowel problems, then no vaccines without a form of a guarantee.
      FYI, before anyone goes screaming down my throat about he could infect the population, he is 18 and had all but 2.

      January 8, 2012 at 13:40 | Report abuse |
  8. clearfog

    He quacked up.

    January 7, 2012 at 01:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  9. John M.

    how many times have doctors made diagnoses? millions? billions? the doc has a right to sue b/c it was his professional opinion and the other parties will have to prove fraudulent, which means "with the intent to proposely mislead the public" if they can't prove that it was intentional, the doctor could win his case

    January 7, 2012 at 02:25 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Travis

      This problem is that this wasn't stated as a fluid opinion ("Well, I think this vaccine might cause autism, so you may want to keep your kids away from it.") but as incontrovertible fact. The data he based his research paper on is shown to be falsified - he basically made up a bunch of numbers to fit his already-formed theory. So there's no problem with the statements that Lancet made, because they're true. Hence, not libel.

      January 7, 2012 at 02:57 | Report abuse |
    • Panacea

      All the defense has to do is introduce the transcript from Wakefield's inquest in Britain . . . the one that resulted in the revocation of his medical license. Case closed.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:13 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Fraud has already been proven. And Wakefield's coauthors have unanimously withdrawn their names from the paper in question and have provided testimony of his fraud and deception. It doesn't get any more clear cut that this guy is a lying POS looking to line his own pockets by way of induced hysteria and panic. My only hope is that criminal charges will follow; he belongs in prison.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:36 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      It isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of faking evidence. In the scientific world, this results in withdrawal and professional condemnation; in the financial world and elsewhere, it gets you prison time. Which Wakefield richly deserves.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:43 | Report abuse |
    • AutismNewsBeat

      Wakefield applied for a patent in June, 1997, for an alternative measles vaccines. In the application, Wakefield said that MMR is associated with autistic regression.

      Seven months before his Lancet article appeared. The man is a fraud.

      January 7, 2012 at 15:08 | Report abuse |
    • of M.D.s and Ph.D.s

      John M., let me remind you and everyone else that physicians are trained to PRACTICE medicine, not do scientific research. Those who spend 6-7 years in graduate school learn how to do science: ask good questions, how to answer those questions and most importantly, what careful language to use to describe it all ( exactly what it IS, what it ISN'T and what it MIGHT BE). Working with both physicians and scientists on a daily basis, I can assure you that physicians are much less likely to treat data and their descriptions with the rigor they require. Medical schools also select for self-promoters and those who may "bend" information to better shape their needs. This situation here does not surprise me and I am always happy when individuals of either training are no longer publishing inaccurate information.

      January 7, 2012 at 18:43 | Report abuse |
  10. VaccinesDOCauseHarm

    every time any knews come out about vaccines, the autism topic arises.
    some poeple believe in the autism-vaccines link,
    some others don't and are offesive to those who do.

    just like the republicans think republican politicians are perfect,
    and democrats think democrat politicians are perfect,
    the pro-vaccine pople think doctors and the pharmaceutical industry are perfect.
    this is so close minded

    it's not until parents are hit by autism and their doctors say they don't know what cuased it
    or how to fix it, that they look for answers and solutions elsewhere. Some children go on to
    recover if the damage was not too severe or for too long.

    if you are skeptical about the autism-vaccine link
    here is some food for thought
    check out these videos, thay may change your mind

    EXCLUSIVE: Government Paid Millions to Vaccine-Injured Kids


    Probe to Reveal Link Between Vaccine Settlements and Autism

    January 7, 2012 at 03:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • HotDogBun

      Wow, that video might make a person dumber if they watch it too many times. There is neither a causal or correlary link between vaccination and autism.

      January 7, 2012 at 03:41 | Report abuse |
    • NyteShayde

      For the love of all that is f'n holy. Pick up a dictionary!! In mathematics a corollary (which you spelled wrong) typically follows a theorem. The word you were looking for is correlational. A correlation IS a casual link, not a factual one. Correlation does not imply causation, if you were ever in a research class (which I find highly unlikely) you'd know that. Both of you armchair scientists need to back away from the keyboards.

      January 7, 2012 at 03:49 | Report abuse |
    • Panacea

      I would never consider anything from Faux News to be a reliable source of information.

      I'll go with the plethora if studies published in reputable medical and scientific journals that all say the same thing: there is no causal link between vaccines and autism. This is no causal link between the preservatives in vaccines and autism.

      A quick look on PubMed will give you access to all the information you could ever want.

      January 7, 2012 at 10:15 | Report abuse |
  11. TheLord

    Come on Jeffrey your not that dumb. A law suit in Merica brings a few million at least. In England probably fifty thousand

    January 7, 2012 at 03:36 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. David

    The problem is that parents of Autistic children want an answer. They clung to the MMR theory but in doing so have directed research away from what the real cause may be.

    For sure, occasionally a child reacts poorl to a vaccine. But the pct is minuscule compared with those who have been presented from z contracting a life threatening disease. By minuscule we are talking 1 in every few million

    January 7, 2012 at 04:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • tnmomof4kids

      If that "one" is your child, you would not consider it so "minuscule". I am not by any means claiming that vaccines cause Autism. However, read my post and you will understand, that it absolutely had to be a trigger. So please consider us families that have had that experience and do not claim that it's not that big of a deal. We struggle daily with life and there is no cure. Insurance covers nothing and all therapy comes out of our pockets.

      January 8, 2012 at 00:19 | Report abuse |
    • GPC


      There is a vaccine injury court for the small percentage of children that are harmed by vaccines. But that is for people with legitimate claims. Many people may think that a vaccine caused their child's autism for the simple reason that kids receive MMR vaccines about the same time autism symtoms become obvious. But correlation doesn't equal causation. Do you put thousands of children at the risk of death and disability every year to protect a handful of kids who will react badly to a vaccine? That doesn't make any sense.

      Comparisons done of vaccinated and unvaccinated children have found no difference in the autism rate. There has been autism in my family for generations, long before MMR shots. We need to stop wasting money on this MMR nonsense and focus instead on genetics where the real cause lies. People don't help their autistic kids when they hang onto disproven claims instead of trying to get at the truth.

      January 8, 2012 at 12:27 | Report abuse |
  13. greg

    Mr Wakefield was struck off the medical register for being "dishonest", "unethical" and "callous". Beware this quack who was prepared to put children at risk for financial gain.

    January 7, 2012 at 04:44 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. gupsphoo

    This is the first time I hear someone sues a scientific journal after his paper was discredited by fellow scientists. Go F yourself, Mr. Wakefield!

    January 7, 2012 at 05:52 | Report abuse | Reply
    • of M.D.s and Ph.D.s

      Mr. Wakefield is a physician, not a scientist. It's easier for scientists to find flawed science. That's why we have peer review. If the papers were reviewed by physicians, they would be judged by author politics, not content.

      January 7, 2012 at 18:49 | Report abuse |
    • lordshipmayhem

      Mr. Wakefield WAS a physician. He is not anymore, due to the very so-called "research" that is under discussion here.

      The only thing that grants him the use of "doctor" is his PhD.

      January 8, 2012 at 01:08 | Report abuse |
    • jimbo

      Wakefield does not have a PhD.
      He can continue to use the label "Doctor" since the GMC could not take that away from him. He qualified as a doctor and keeps his degree.
      What they could do was strip him of his license to practise, which they did.

      January 8, 2012 at 06:09 | Report abuse |

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    January 7, 2012 at 06:14 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Panacea

      Have you had your lithium level checked recently?

      January 7, 2012 at 10:16 | Report abuse |
    • Archibald

      Please seek mental health help.

      January 9, 2012 at 11:22 | Report abuse |
  16. Lisa

    The former director of the NIH must be a fraud as well. In this interview with CBS news, Dr Healy discusses the autism vaccine link:
    Watch the video and tell me her motive. She must be in it to cause controversy and make money, right? Or the science isn't there (like we have been repeatedly told!!!) to disprove a link. Nothing has changed since this interview in 2008.

    January 7, 2012 at 10:12 | Report abuse | Reply
  17. SixDegrees

    "Wahh! Wahh! The BMJ discovered my lies and told the world about them! Just like my nasty coauthors! And the even nastier medical and science communities! They're all denying me my right to bilk all the ignorant m orons of the world out of their money!"

    January 7, 2012 at 10:33 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. parent

    Brian Deer needs to explain who has been paying him for the last 8 years


    January 7, 2012 at 11:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • of M.D.s and Ph.D.s

      Youtube: the source of truth! Honey, you need to find a more reputable source. Even if that contained bits of true material, youtube posters typically edit out all the value by removing or inserting context as desired (just like the Lancet paper). Even if Mr. Deer had financial interests with vaccine makers or other industries, other scientists from the global community thoroughly disproved the materials presented in the Lancet paper. Deer has nothing to do with anything. Remove Deer and those data still won't fly.

      Please support the search to look elsewhere for Autism eitiology and leave this vaccine hypothesis where it belongs: in the waste container.

      January 7, 2012 at 18:56 | Report abuse |
    • jimbo

      I guess as a freelance journalist he has his sources of income.
      But we know where Wakefield got his cash – Nearly $1 million from the lawyers who wanted him to manufacture a study suggesting MMR caused autism to help in their actions against the MMR vaccine. And then he was employed by the generous Texan autism group, Thoughtful House, to the tune of several hundred thousand $ each year, to do nothing.

      January 8, 2012 at 06:13 | Report abuse |
  19. parent

    Selective Hearing Brian Deer and the GMC

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id_AxZ3zHAc&w=420&h=315%5D

    January 7, 2012 at 11:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. Impartial but truth seeking

    I don't know, it seems to me that this doctor has been maligned to an unprecedented degree and while I think some vaccines may be useful, there seems also to be a proportion of people who have been damaged by vaccine side effects. I have heard his studies have been replicated and if there was any collusion and deliberate distortion of facts regarding this situation I hope it is sorted out. People like Brian Deer and certainly medical journals have an obligation to fact check. Interestingly, several researchers are now focusing on gut issues in patients with autism.

    January 7, 2012 at 12:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • AutismNewsBeat

      The results of Wakefield's study have never been replicated.

      January 7, 2012 at 15:15 | Report abuse |
    • jimbo

      Wakefield says his studies have been replicated, but they haven't. He points to studies showing autistic kids have bowel problems – that's not news and is well described. What has never been replicated is a link to MMR, bowel disease and autism.
      One study was done which tried to replicate his work, and found no association. It was autored by someone who has actually published previously saying vaccines might be linked to autis.
      When even your supporters cannot replicate your work, you know you are in trouble.

      January 8, 2012 at 06:16 | Report abuse |
  21. tnmomof4kids

    I totally understand the arguing around this subject all too well. We have a precious 5 year old son with Autism. I am an RN so I am not speaking from an uneducated background. I can tell you that as our fourth child, this is not my first rodeo. We had a very typical baby and developing perfect until he turned 18 months. After receiving his 18 month vaccinations, within 24-48 hours, his development was arrested. He never spoke another word, never pointed again, stared into space as if he was not there, started bizarre behaviors and we felt like we lost our child. We recognized this was totally abnormal. By two, we knew we were in trouble. He was diagnosed with Autism, developmental delay, Apraxia, fine motor delay and ADD. So yes, the research this doc may be tainted, but I ask you to consider the families that struggle with our situation. Our insurance will cover no therapy. We are grateful for the progress he has made by emptying our savings. We know God has a plan.

    January 7, 2012 at 17:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • inflammation, not vaccines in specific

      The current research suggests that inflammation is an important component of Autism and that a person needs to be genetically susceptible. Such people then will only develop the disorder if they are exposed to a trigger (unknown as yet) and non-susceptible people exposed to a trigger don't develop the disorder. Research is desperately needed and that means funding must be available and children and adults with Autism and normal siblings are encouraged to volunteer in any way they can. There are many ways to reduce inflammation but they require dedication. Diet is a big part (just being overweight is pro-inflammatory, that's how type II diabetes starts). Ask your doctor about reducing inflammation. I've probed some brain sections myself and they are all inflamed (causative or reactive??). That also explains the big tummy troubles.

      January 7, 2012 at 19:10 | Report abuse |
    • jack

      tnmomof4kids – you seem to be dealing with our autism well. I say that because you yourself, as a child, received this vaccination. As an RN you should know this. Three of your 4 kids do not have it. Does that prove the vaccination prevents autism 75% of the time?

      January 9, 2012 at 11:03 | Report abuse |
  22. CMB

    That Wakefield has the gall to claim he has been slandered is nothing short of disgusting. His outright falsification and manipulation of data is appalling. It's impossible for science to unring this bell about vaccines and autism. To this day there are still people who defend wakfeiled and say he has been unfairly targeted. Regardless of what happens to him now, the damage is already done. Whether it's one or one hundred deaths or even more, it's far too many

    January 7, 2012 at 20:52 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. Kelly

    I hope the press charges against him. The damage that has to be undone from his lies is horrible. I have 3 children from my 1st marriage NOT autistic, and ALL immunized. I have 3 children from my 2nd marriage ALL on the spectrum, and NONE were immunized until after they were dx because we bought into the "catching autism" fear. It's genetic. Look in your families. We also now know my husband has aspergers, His Grandfather is on the spectrum we see it sprinkled all over. And as bing an epidemic. No, It is just no more dx. Kids that were ADHD, OCD, or just weird or Quirky are know labeled on the spectrum, so they numbers are shooting up. Instead of fighting about the false info this idiot feed everyone for too long, lets use our energy for early intervention, and a cure.

    January 7, 2012 at 21:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • nepawoods

      It's not purely genetic. It's a genetic susceptibility to an influence of certain environmental factors. There are identical twins where one has autism, the other not. There is also a ten times higher likelihood of the fraternal twin of an autistic child being autistic than if they were just siblings born at different times (though fraternal twins are no more genetically similar than ordinary siblings). There is no question that there are environmental factors at play.

      January 8, 2012 at 10:47 | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      Doctors and scientists have acknowledged for a long time that autism likely has more than one cause. Hereditary autism and regressive autism are not the same.

      January 8, 2012 at 12:34 | Report abuse |
  24. HH


    I also have a similar story. I have no idea if Wakefield is a quack or not. What I do know is there is a lot parents (like us) with Autistic kids who notice the symptoms after receiving the 18 month vaccines. I also know that the drug companies and the Government has a big time stake ( $$$) in seeing that the current vaccine schedule is adhered too. I do not believe anything I read coming from certain sources without taking this into account.

    Now I agree that vaccines are good for society as a whole. But what if your kid is one of the "acceptable losses"? I try to educate myself. I do believe that there is a genetic as well as an environmental trigger for Autism. Can vaccines be a trigger? IDK but Since the cause ( or trigger ) is UNKNOWN, it means vaccines haven't been ruled out either. Since my older son had a bad reaction to the vaccine and consequently stopped speaking for me it was just not worth the risk with my younger son. I decided to delay, not cancel all vaccines for my younger son. Good luck to you, you are not alone.

    January 7, 2012 at 23:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Sam

      Vaccines or not, age 18 months is when the signs of autism start being more and more obvious. Researches have gone back and looked at home videos and parent journals from younger kids and found, in most cases, the early signs were there before age 18 but they were so off the radar for the parents that they went unnoticed.

      January 8, 2012 at 10:35 | Report abuse |
    • jack

      HH, well then you must have autism too. You received the MMR vaccine before you started kindegarten. Therefore, according to your logic, you have autism

      January 9, 2012 at 10:59 | Report abuse |
  25. bird

    how the heck can you do a "study" on only 12 people? That in and of itself should discredit this fool

    January 8, 2012 at 09:37 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. Creaturz

    When overwhelming evidence fights big money, this is what happens.

    January 8, 2012 at 09:57 | Report abuse | Reply
  27. Sam

    Wakefield is not doing this lawsuit because he thinks he can win. He knows he can't. It's just a publicity stunt for his new book. He has already turned himself into some sort of religious cult leader rather than a scientist. The only people who believe him are those with blind faith in him. Study after study has been done and none has ever replicated his supposed "results." It was shoddy science to start with. He should be the one being sued. The same people who nitpick at all the studies showing no link between vaccinations and autism are the people who will give their kids the most ridiculous, dangerous, and painful treatments with no scientific basis whatsoever. Why the double standard on science? Because a "true believer" follows the dear anti-vax leaders, no matter what logic says. My autistic daughter is showing miraculous progress. Is it because of some diet or detox or therapy or injection? Nope. We changed nothing. But she is showing progress anyway. That is how it works. The difference is that the Jenny McCarthys of the world want to pump your kid full of drugs and herbs so that at the moment progress occurs, they can take the credit.

    January 8, 2012 at 10:32 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Barry

      Thank you for adding some sanity to this contrived mess. The press has long given up on educating the public in favor of calling untruths " controversial "

      January 8, 2012 at 18:43 | Report abuse |
  28. johnkeating

    Dr. Andrew Weil brought up a good point in one of his books, where he says that people in the past have been coming up with ways to treat and cure various ailments for thousands of years. They used trial, error and correction to find out works and what doesn't. Today, for-profit medicine tries to exclusively promote 'scientifically-proven' methods and tools, but they choose to ignore or abandon all the methodologies of other schools of healing as well as the tried-and-true methods of the past. As other people in this forum have pointed out, 'medically proving' something is very time-consuming, very expensive. In addition, it's very difficult or impossible to ever truly 'medically prove' something is true. That is why they always use words like 'suggest' or 'may' rather than make absolute claims when it comes to linking resulting disease and suspected cause. So, says Andrew Weil, let us look at for example the successful system of medicine that China has - they do not practice 'scientifically-based' medicine, but rather follow a different paradigm whereby they use whatever works by trial and error. Andrew Weil argues that the West should adopt a similar philosophy when deciding what works and what doesn't. Instead of abandoning all approaches that are not yet 'scientifically proven', he says let's just use what works based on repeated subjective experience. Let's not abandon empirical observation and subject experience, he says. Weil says that allopathic medicine is putting too much of an restrictive constraint upon what it classifies as 'quackery' or not.

    January 8, 2012 at 12:15 | Report abuse | Reply
  29. johnkeating

    My point is, Wakefield may not have found an absolute direct link between autism and MMR vaccines, but THERE IS SOMETHING THERE that's not right. And it needs to be investigated. You should not consider MMR vaccines to be absolutely safe until this is thoroughly investigated.

    January 8, 2012 at 12:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • gager

      correlation is not causation, Idjut.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:37 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      It HAS been thoroughly investigated. The MMR is not the cause of autism.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:44 | Report abuse |
  30. johnkeating

    Why not just let every person decide for him/herself what is best for them? Instead of forcing vaccines down their throats. what do you get when you have a small elite group [of so-called 'experts' or authority figures] that control the lives and reality of others? Soon or later, you get abuse of power. This is what has happened to the pharmaceutical industry and allopathic medicine. This is what I would suggest:
    1) do away with exclusive medical licensing (i.e. the 'license to practice medicine') also do away with the need for prescription to get access to drugs; make all drugs over-the-counter and accessible to all
    2) do away with these 'quackery' labeling organizations and let people decide for themselves what works and what doesnt
    3) open the doors to every other schools of healing and modalities out there including nutrition, energy-based and alternative medicine (such as Chinese medicine)
    4) set up a website/online database where ordinary people can record personal detailed accounts of their own experiences with various healing modalities or drugs/herbs or healers/medical doctors, which everyone else can read and share, much like the product reviews on amazon.com. A 'Consumer Reports' on medicine, if you will.
    Let everybody decide for themselves how they will heal themselves, rather than let a small elite group decide for them. Experts can be there to advise, but not have undue influence or power over the others.

    January 8, 2012 at 12:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Eeyore

      Sure. Why don't we just let people do whatever they want, regardless of the public good? Why not? Why should you be required to follow traffic laws if you don't feel like it? Why should you be required to even have a driver's license at all? And who cares if the restaurant or the school cafeteria follow food safety regulations?

      January 8, 2012 at 17:47 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Your post is so full of stupidity it boggles the mind.

      Why don't YOU go live where no regulations exist, john, and stop endangering others' health and well-being? You are free to move to the Congo. I'm sure you'll feel right at home. No food safety regulations. No requirement that your child be vaccinated for polio. Why don't you go there? Sounds like it would be paradise for you.

      Your suggestion that drugs should be over-the-counter and not require prescriptions and that anybody should be allowed to practice medicine without a license is evidence you are a wackaloon.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:51 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Last time I checked, no doctor could force you to be treated. You can choose not to vaccinate yourself. You aren't having these decisions forced upon you.

      But if you think for a minute that any sensible person is going to throw out medical licensing for doctors, the FDA and CDC recommendations and requirements, and go live in a cave with you, you're crazier than a bedbug.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:53 | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      Eeyore, I understand your concern about 'public safety', but I draw the line at saying that MY own body is MY own responsibility and concern and not others' jurisdiction to decide what I can and cannot do with my body. I know in this country there is this [possibly religion-originated] ideal that [physical] life is so sacred that nobody should be allowed to commit suicide, that any and all heroic efforts must be made to prolong life at any cost. I do not agree with that ideology. Just as it is inherently a person's right to him or herself, it is also a person's inherent right to do whatever he or she wishes with his/her physical body, including the right to die at any time, voluntarilly. Whatever you decide to put into your body is your own decision. Exclusive medical licensing infringes upon that right, by saying people are not allowed to do such-and-such with their bodies. Medical freedom is everybody's right. I don't think medical doctors or the FDA should say I cannot put this into my body or I cannot do such-and-such to heal myself. As long as I'm not hurting someone else, I should have the freedom to do with my body as I want. That's where I draw the line between freedom and safety.

      January 8, 2012 at 21:20 | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      *be him or herself

      Certification as a proof of medical education and training is okay. But not exclusive medical licensing, because then that involves the legal system which forcibly enforces conformity. We cannot legally make it the sole responsibility of a small elite group to decide what is safe and what is not for the rest of the population. They can advise, but please don't make it legally enforcible.

      January 8, 2012 at 21:26 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      john, you should seek help. Really. You're completely crazy.

      January 8, 2012 at 21:31 | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      This reminds me of that quotation 'People who seek security at the cost of liberty deserve neither.' Well, that's a bit of a cruel way of saying that people shouldn't give their power away to others so easily, otherwise they invite abuse.

      January 8, 2012 at 21:31 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      You are free to move elsewhere, johnny, if you wish to live in a place where there are no regulations. You don't have the right to decide that is what's best for anyone else.

      Get bent.

      January 8, 2012 at 21:38 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      My opinion of you as a complete idiot is confirmed by your idiotic and incorrect assertion that people aren't allowed to commit suicide. You are wrong. There is not a single state in the country in which it is a crime to commit or to attempt to commit suicide. Off yourself and find out for sure, dufus.

      January 8, 2012 at 21:40 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Yeah, I figured that would finally shut you up, you moron. You didn't know that suicide isn't a crime in any state in the country, did you? I thought not. You are one of those buffoons who vomits up nonsense as if it were fact and expects everyone else to just believe you're right.

      You're an idiot.

      January 8, 2012 at 21:51 | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      Culture is like a religion. Some rules are written, some are not ever written down. The ones that are most important are never written down for public access (like classified information). And because they are not written down anywhere, they avoid conscious examination and analysis. Furthermore, questioning of such unwritten rules is often vigorously discouraged as a sort of 'heresy'. The act of questioning is an important freedom to verify the truth and logic of an assumption. To discourage it indicates a kind of slavery (blind obedience to authority) at work. Remember the infamous Dr. Kevorkian? Well, he was a hero for giving people the choice to end their lives with minimum pain and uncertainty of death. My point is, people should never be considered property. Freedom is important, and there is a balance between freedom and security. For you maybe, you prefer to rely heavily on authority figures. But not me. Why? Because I've had some eye-opening experiences witih alternative medicine (as well as some not-so-positive experiences with allopathic medicine) that's really shaped my views on the subject of health. That's the difference between you and me, I suspect. You probably have little to no experiences outside the paradigm of allopathic medicine.

      January 9, 2012 at 02:36 | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      Had I not walked on the 'road less traveled', I would probably think like you do. I am not a medical doctor, but did seriously consider going to medical school while in college. I was suffering from a number of bothersome health problems and was fortunate enough to stumble across some very effective tools and procedures outside of allopathic medicine that helped me tremendously, possibly saved my life even, which I continue to use to this day. My actual experiences with these things is what has made me a believer. I can't say I believe in the effectiveness of all alternative medicine, but I have a pretty darn effective working system whiich I'm always trying to expand upon through research on the internet and trying new things [after reading about them]. There's something really not right about allopathic medicine, the way it operates - how they charge vast sums of money and the often lack of effectiveness of its techniques in being able to cure disease. The dangerous adverse side effects that accompany use of powerful pharmaceutical drugs and/or surgery. It's just not right. There's something really really wrong about that system that makes people suffer without delivering spectacular results.

      January 9, 2012 at 02:54 | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      The one area which is considered allopathic medicine's greatest strength is in emergency medicine, where people with sudden traumatic injuries like bullet wounds or stab wounds or broken bones can be prevented from imminent death. But aside from such emergency situations, I'm convinced that the services of allopathic medicine are really unnecessary, maybe even destructive. Nature itself is a pharmaceutical powerhouse treasury of healing drugs that don't ever need to be isolated or patented. Just use the plants themselves. People should learn to doctor themselves for the most part. And only consult experts in matters which they are uncertain about. Do-it-yourself medicine is the way of the future, because that's the nature of preventative medicine - the most affordable and practical medicine there is. There isn't enough doctors or hospitals or drugs or people who can help everybody who needs care. And it's insanity these hospitals they way they make interns and residents work terribly long hours for little compensation. They need to give these interns/residents reasonable hours such as 8 hours a day/5 days a week instead of increasing the risk of medical error by subjecting them to such exhaustion and sleep deprivation. It's ridiculous what they have to go through. Cheap labor for hospitals, eh? Kind of almost like a hazing system for the 'fraternity of medical doctors'. it's just not right, the whole system of it, and the methods they employ.

      January 9, 2012 at 03:10 | Report abuse |
    • J. Crobuzon

      "I am not a medical doctor," Thank God. Now shut up. Take something for that OCD; sertraline works very well.

      January 9, 2012 at 08:02 | Report abuse |
  31. EJ

    Hannah Poling – the only vaccine/autism case to ever concede a link between vaccines and autism. If there was no link, there would've been no settlement.

    January 8, 2012 at 12:29 | Report abuse | Reply
    • gager

      Settlements happen all the time when the accused is innocent. Your reasoning holds no water.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:36 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      That isn't what the case decided, dear.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:39 | Report abuse |
    • J. Crobuzon

      "Settlement" implies it never went to court. Someone just caved in. Proves nothing.

      January 9, 2012 at 07:59 | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      The vaccine court is a "court". Evidence is presented, a decision to award (or not) is based on testimony about whether injury was a result of vaccination. The vaccine court does not award compensation unless they believe injury resulted from vaccination.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:09 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Sure it does. It awards compensation when the cost of mounting a defense is not worth it.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:49 | Report abuse |
    • EJ

      Precisely! They settle when "mounting a defense is not worth it." And why is mounting a defense not worthwhile? Because.......the testimony would result in the court paying out anyway. Bzz – by your logic, all cases would be simply be settled. But they aren't. The court has denid/rejected other autism/vaccine cases. Poling's case is rare, but valid.

      January 10, 2012 at 10:03 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      No, it isn't. Read the facts about her. If you had, you'd see that.

      January 10, 2012 at 18:33 | Report abuse |
  32. johnkeating

    5) I would suggest that if someone pitches or tries to sell you some medical service or product such as drugs, make sure the seller has tried the service/product themselves and has experienced the effects of it themselves personally. So, I say to you MMR vaccine promoters, try injecting a body-mass-proportional dose of MMR vaccine into your own veins before you start trying to pitch this to the rest of the population.

    January 8, 2012 at 13:32 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Eeyore

      The MMR is ALREADY being used on millions of children. It is safe. You are nuts.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:56 | Report abuse |
    • johnkeating

      No. I don't mean only inject the patients only. Administrators of the vaccines really need to inject it into their own bodies and experience it first-hand, to really get some understanding of how it affects others. It's easy to use other people as guinea pigs. not so easy if you know your own health/life is at stake. Now that would really make medical doctors be really careful in verifying the safety of such product. This is just plain good ethical medical practice to always try the medicine first yourself, before giving it to others. This should become an important rule in the practice of any medical/healing system.

      January 9, 2012 at 03:20 | Report abuse |
    • J. Crobuzon

      You are insane. Why would they do that?

      January 9, 2012 at 08:00 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      john, your post is absurd. Vaccines are not given in different 'dosages' according to body mass. They don't work that way, unlike antibiotics.

      If you aren't even aware of that, you are not sufficiently educated about this topic to make the sort of pronouncements you've been blathering here.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:18 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      So a doctor who is an oncologist treating patients with cancer should dose himself with chemotherapy drugs? You are beyond silly.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:34 | Report abuse |
  33. aefountain

    FYI, Parents are asking for the return to single injections for Mumps, Measles and Rubella instead of the 'cheaper' 3 in 1 version. That included Andrew Wakefield.
    Why? won't that even be considered.
    AND furthermore, until this all came to light, vaccination schedules were based on the chronological age of a child and did NOT include prematurity. Due to campaigns like this, good or bad, parents became more aware and delayed the vaccines until they felt their child was in a more developmental state.
    As a member of a very large Autistic community (there is no undiagnosed community), what many parents walked away with 10 years ago, is doctors are not the God-like creatures that our parents taught us they were. We lost alot of respect for them, long before Andrew Wakefield came into the picture. So when a small group of medical professionals decide to take on this task for it to at least be investigated, it was a blessing to hear someone actually was listening, which was more than we had received to date.

    January 8, 2012 at 13:46 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Eeyore

      There is NO evidence that premature infants are more at risk than full-term babies. None. When you can produce any, cite it.

      January 8, 2012 at 17:40 | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Andrew Wakefield is not the Godlike creature that the anti-vax people believe him to be either. At least doctors have to show some sort of evidence. Wakefield, on the other hand, came up with a kooky theory based on 12 people. No one has ever replicated the results of his "research" despite trying many many times. Individuals who were born prematurely ARE more at risk for autism and other developmental disorders. This has nothing to do with whether or not they were vaccinated or when or how many at a time. It is time to stop thinking of autism as some awful curse perpetrated by a conspiracy. People are different in many ways. Autism is another of those differences. Love your autistic friends, relatives, and acquaintances for who they are, not for who they're not. Stop being so angry and chasing false gods like Wakefield and false sellers of hope like Jenny McCarthy.

      January 8, 2012 at 20:47 | Report abuse |
    • Ummmmm

      When is a child in a "more developmental state", and how does one determine that such a "state" (whatever the hell it might be) has been attained?

      Really. You wonder why you are dismissed as nuts?

      January 8, 2012 at 21:01 | Report abuse |
  34. aefountain

    You are misreading what I am saying. Not that premature infants are at a greater risk to get Autism. That premature infant's weight must be considered regarding the time of the vaccination for that child.

    January 8, 2012 at 18:05 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      No, it should not be. Weight has no bearing on vaccine 'dosage', unlike antibiotics. An antibiotic must be given in a dose according to weight to be effective. Vaccines are not like that. The dosage is the same regardless.

      Educate yourself.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:37 | Report abuse |
  35. Lisa

    In this interview with CBS news, Dr Healy (the former director of NIH) discusses the autism-vaccine link. Watch this video.


    January 8, 2012 at 18:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. bepatienz

    victor pavlovic wrote: "go to Holmes county Ohio and see for yourself, NO Amish with autism."

    Well, no.

    The scientists who presented their study on the prevalence of autism in Amish communities at the 2010 International Meeting for Autism Research would apparently disagree. They wrote: Screening occurred in Holmes County, Ohio and Elkhart-Lagrange County, Indiana, two of the largest Amish communities in the United States. Trained clinicians ascertained door to door using a published Amish Directory as a guide." They concluded: "Preliminary data have identified the presence of ASD in the Amish community at a rate of approximately 1 in 271 children using standard ASD screening and diagnostic tools although some modifications may be in order. Further studies are underway to address the cultural norms and customs that may be playing a role in the reporting style of caregivers, as observed by the ADI."

    January 8, 2012 at 18:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Eeyore


      January 8, 2012 at 20:56 | Report abuse |
    • BA

      VPav gets the B-slap of truth.

      Facts don't matter, however, to the converted.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:14 | Report abuse |
  37. James

    Obesity epedmic related to autism?

    January 8, 2012 at 19:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • James

      Blah, sorry for the poor spelling.

      January 8, 2012 at 19:10 | Report abuse |
  38. Eeyore

    Wakefield is a fraud. He falsified data to try to prove vaccines cause autism. His behavior was execrable. He can pursue legal avenues if he wishes, but he is completely and utterly disgraced. His unethical behavior is inexcusable. He had no desire to help children with autism or to pursue its cause; his only goal was his own self glorification.

    January 8, 2012 at 21:55 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. Eeyore

    Those who believe that we should do away with all regulations and allow people to 'decide what's best for themselves' with no safeguards, no watchdogs and no controls should go live somewhere that's already got that environment. There are PLENTY of choices, all in the developing countries who have little government and no protection for citizens.

    You don't like the FDA? The CDC? FIne. Go somewhere that doesn't have any such protections and see how life is there.

    January 8, 2012 at 22:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  40. Laureth

    Okay, if vaccines caused autism, wouldn't EVERY child who was vaccinated become autistic? That to me is the biggest flaw in that theory. My older daughter is autistic and my younger daughter is not, but both were vaccinated. I never bought the vaccination explanation. I believe it has more to do with genetics and the environment than anything else. There's a higher incidence of autism now than there ever was when I was growing up. I'd never even heard the word autism till I was a teenager. I believe a lot of it has to do with all the chemicals in our food, spending so much time in front of a computer, microwaving food, cell phones and the like. But then I'm not a scientist or a doctor, so what do I know?

    January 9, 2012 at 07:27 | Report abuse | Reply
  41. J. Crobuzon

    He's a monster whose hoax doomed a lot of children. He should be burned at the stake.

    January 9, 2012 at 07:57 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. VaciMomma

    It's no use arguing with the morons who obviously cannot understand basic science and facts. Wakefield was PAID by the lawyers to come up with "evidence" that vaccines were harmful. They paid him nearly 1million dollars (in British money though – don't know what the currency rate was back then). He falsified the medical records of 12 children who did NOT have, never had and still do not have autism so that the lawyers could win.
    For those of you who are too stupid (or trust in the all mighty internet – quack.com – to come up with all your answers instead of say, doctors and science), autism typically occurs around the same time that children are vaccinated. So, an unvaccinated child not only can STILL have autism, they can come down with a deadly PREVENTABLE disease. But, since very few us us know what smallpox, or measles or any slew of deadly diseases actually look like – we've become complacent. Maybe it is time to cull the herd again – only problem with this is it would probably be one of the kids who were vaccinated – but caught a deadly disease off one of the morons kids who doesn't believe in vaccinations.
    So, if you want to not vaccinate – keep them away from the rest of society – locked away in your house and never let them out near me or mine or my friends (who were vaccinated). Studies – scientific studies – have shown that the body can take 100,000 times the vaccinates at ONCE that we give a child. But, those of your who are too stupid to realize that SCIENCE was at work here, probably would jump all over that – probably come up with another quack.com website refuting it. I'm in interested in your stupidity. I'll stick with science.

    January 9, 2012 at 10:10 | Report abuse | Reply
  43. VaciMomma

    not interested. Sheesh – got to typing too quickly.

    January 9, 2012 at 10:11 | Report abuse | Reply
  44. jack

    All of you people ranting that this vaccination causes autism – you do know that you received this vaccination, right? You had to have the MMR vaccination in order to go to public schools. Either you have had it and don't realize it, or are simply denying the truth to suit your basic need to blame someone. What you are really accomplishing is distracting attention from finding the real cause, and subsequent cure of, autism.
    Autism rates have climbed significantly in the past 2 decades. Right about the same time they took out the mercury you people are screaming about. To me it seems obvious, put the damn mercury back in.

    January 9, 2012 at 10:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • BA

      Most states allow for exemptions. Also, mercury was never in the MMR but your general point is correct. If the same false correlation=causation (ie., vaccine uptake increases = autism prevalence increase) thinking was applied now data suggest that thimerosal should be added back into vaccines to decrease the prevalence of autism.

      We are often very wrong when we believe that correlation=causation.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:19 | Report abuse |
    • LLeonard1

      Don't assume. I didn't have it. I checked my childhood records and I never had it. My son, born in 1983, never had it either. That wasn't my intention, I agreed to every vaccine that was recommended back then. Never questioned by the schools.

      January 9, 2012 at 18:48 | Report abuse |
  45. jack

    For those of you who are saying this is a conspiracy created by BigPharma – are you actually trying to convince people that there were no diseases until pharmaceutical companies started to produce them? Just so the could sell medicine and make a profit? Seriously???

    January 9, 2012 at 10:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Kevin

    To all of you who are ignorantly proclaiming that there is NO possible link between vaccines and autism, I encourage you to open your minds. Scientists are just now learning about how multiple factors including both environmental factors, pathogenic factors, and possibly genetic factors created the paralytic polio outbreaks of the late 19th and 20th century. Prior to the use of pesticides containing heavy metals, polio was an relatively harmless intestinal virus. It is only the combination of an active polio infection AND the presence of heavy metals AND likely a genetic predisposition, that causes the paralytic form of polio.

    This is likely the same for the development of autism. Autism has strong links to heavy metal poisoning, and also has some suspected genetic links. Further autism has some strong correlations with immune system abnormalities. I would not be at all surprised if some combination of these genetic, pathologic and environmental factors are the cause for the high rate of autism. This is not stating that vaccines directly cause autism, but rather may contribute to autism by either introducing a pathogen which triggers it or contributing to the damage of (a possibly immature) immune system to cause it.


    January 9, 2012 at 10:57 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Actually...

      The Polio outbreak was due to the cleansing of the water supply. Before this, people had always been exposed to small amounts of virus in water. Since I doubt you understand immunology and the workings of the immune system, I will quickly brief you on the subject. When your body is exposed to an antigen, your B-cells create antibodies to the pathogen. This makes it easier for your body to detect the foreign objects and get rid of them. This is also known as active immunity because it deals with your own body being exposed to the antigen and creating a defense towards it. There is also what is known as passive immunity. Maternally derived antibodies (MDAs) are a form of passive immunity and are passed from mother to child (one reason breast feeding is so important). They provide a certain level of protection but aren't permanent and only intended to protect the baby until an active immunity can be formed. This is how the Polio outbreak and the cleansing of the water supply are connected. After the water supply was cleaned up (Polio is transmitted through fecal-to-oral contamination), the next generation of people were not exposed to small, continuous amounts of virus via the water supply. After their passive immunity wore off, they did not develop an active immunity and were much more susceptible to the virus. The outbreak was not due to "active polio infection AND the presence of heavy metals AND likely a genetic predisposition". Get educated.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:46 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      No, Actually, you are relying on spurious sites for your information. It is patently untrue that clean water would have eradicated it. Only the anti-vax nuts believe this nonsense.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:06 | Report abuse |
    • Actually

      You missed the point. I agree with you that clean water wouldn't have eradicated it. Whole populations of people became susceptible for the virus to attack, that was the cause of the outbreak. Vaccines put it in check.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:14 | Report abuse |
    • BA

      One can, as you apparently did, open their minds so much their brains fall out.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:20 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      No, darling. The vaccine eradicated the virus. You are misinformed.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:51 | Report abuse |
  47. jack

    I just realized something, if you take this lieing idiots research, and look at it differently, he is saying the MMR vaccination prevents Autism 75% of the time. How about that you conspiracy believers?

    January 9, 2012 at 11:04 | Report abuse | Reply
  48. Natalie

    "It's been four years since Gardasil debuted as a blockbuster vaccine with sales that rocketed to over $1.1 billion in its first nine months."
    BigPharma creates new vaccines for our own health and not for the money. I hope you are not vaccinating your 9 year old girl with this harmful vaccine.

    January 9, 2012 at 11:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • AutismNewsBeat

      It's been five years – Gardasil was licensed in the summer of 2006. There is no evidence that the vaccine has killed or maimed anyone. It doesn't used a virus, living, attenuated, or dead.

      January 9, 2012 at 15:20 | Report abuse |
  49. MarcellaPiperTerry

    If vaccines are so safe then why has the U.S. government paid out more than a BILLION dollars in compensation to famlies whose children have either died or been seriously injured after receiving them? Actually the figure is more than 2 Billion paid out at this point, and the funding doesn't come from the government; it comes from U.S. taxpayers.

    January 9, 2012 at 11:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Because there are sometimes injuries. Often, however, these cases are settled and payments are made even if there is no determination that a vaccine actually caused the injury.

      The government pays these settlements because if it did not, the cost of such lawsuits for pharmaceutical companies would drive them out of the business of producing vaccines at all, and we'd be in deep trouble. Vaccines are not a big profit item for the companies, and it would cost them more in legal fees and settlements than it would be worth.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:41 | Report abuse |
    • AutismNewsBeat

      The vaccine injury compensation program is funded by a 75 cent tax on each vaccine. For the MMR shot that comes to $2.25, since the jab has three vaccines in one. Bzzz is right – the standards of evidence are set deliberately low in vaccine court, so it is a mistake to assume that every award has gone to an actual case of vaccine injury. We know, for example, there is no science to show DTP causes encephalopathy, yet hundreds of such cases were settled in the first five years or so of the program.

      January 9, 2012 at 15:25 | Report abuse |
    • Nurse Kay

      You are so right, Marcella. Please keep educating the masses. Vaccines do cause serious injury. As long as we keep doing the same things to our children, we will keep getting the same. I have searched and searched for a study comparing the health outcomes of never vaccinated to the partially vaccinated and the fully vaccinated. I have yet to find it. Until I see studies showing me that, I will never vaccinate a member of my family again.

      January 9, 2012 at 20:06 | Report abuse |
    • aefountain

      Bzzzz not all of us are so fortunate (cough, cough) to live in the U.S. and don't have the same benefit of 'suing' for a vaccine related injury. And I also suggest you educate yourself, because many doctors will no longer vaccinate based on chronological age but on gestational age, due to the recommended scheduling of vaccines and now wish to play it 'safe than sorry'. My doctor once against me if I hold him responsible, I said I hold us both responsible until I know otherwise. I search for the otherwise, like any decent parent would.
      I need an answer for my children's children, and so.

      January 9, 2012 at 21:44 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      I have no idea what you are attempting to say.

      January 10, 2012 at 09:35 | Report abuse |
  50. MarcellaPiperTerry

    If Merck's MMR vaccine is so safe how come the U.S. Government's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database (maintained by U.S. Department of Health and Human Services [HHS]) lists so many horrific reactions to this particular vaccine?

    854 Life Threatening reactions: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX%5B%5D=MMR&VAXMAN=MERCK_

    1,047 reactions resulting in Disability: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX%5B%5D=MMR&VAXMAN=MERCK_

    284 reactions resulting in DEATH: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX%5B%5D=MMR&VAXMAN=MERCK_

    And for the record, you can take these numbers and multiply them by nearly 100 to get an approximation of the true damage done by this one vaccine. The American Medical Association (AMA) estimates that 1.5% of vaccine adverse events are ever reported to the system even though physicians are legally mandated to do so. I would argue that reporting is not really legally mandated since there is no consequence to physicians who fail to report; ergo, it's merely a suggestion.

    January 9, 2012 at 12:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • AutismNewsBeat

      Marcella, I can log on to the VAERS website right now and report that MMR turned my daughter into a lemur. It's a passive reporting system.

      January 9, 2012 at 15:27 | Report abuse |
    • BA

      And it was once reported that a vaccine turned someone into the hulk. I need to get in line for that one.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:22 | Report abuse |
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