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November 14th, 2011
06:30 PM ET
High IQ linked to drug useThe "Just Say No" generation was often told by parents and teachers that intelligent people didn't use drugs. Turns out, the adults may have been wrong. A new British study finds children with high IQs are more likely to use drugs as adults than people who score low on IQ tests as children. The data come from the 1970 British Cohort Study, which has been following thousands of people over decades. The kids' IQs were tested at the ages of 5, 10 and 16. The study also asked about drug use and looked at education and other socioeconomic factors. Then when participants turned 30, they were asked whether they had used drugs such as marijuana, cocaine and heroin in the past year. The lead researcher says he isn't surprised by the findings. "Previous research found for the most part people with high IQs lead a healthy life, but that they are more likely to drink to excess as adults," says James White a psychologist at Cardiff University in the United Kingdom. It's not clear why people with high childhood IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs. "We suspect they may be more open to new experiences and are more sensation seeking," says White. In the paper, White and his co-author also mention other studies that find high IQ kids may use drugs because they are bored or to cope with being different. That seems to ring true for one of my childhood classmates. Tracey Helton Mitchell was one of the smartest kids in my middle school. But, by the time she was in her early 20's, Tracey was a heroin addict. I found out while flipping channels one sleepless night and stumbled upon the documentary "Black Tar Heroin." "I was confident in my abilities but there was a dissonance," says Tracey, with whom I recently reconnected. "No matter what I did, what I said, where I went, I was never comfortable with the shell I carried called myself."
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Jessy–how we poor fools wish you smart ones would just get over yourselves, put your intelligence to work thinking about solving the political crises, the economic crises and of course the lack of love in general, and think about others for a change instead of envying their IQs. That's how the dummies manage to survive–just up the ante and solve a few of the more difficult problems rather than wasting all that energy feeling jealous - of stupid people.
You are a moron. Quit trying to be intelligent on an article about intelligence.
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You are the reason why intelligent people take drugs. You bully them, call them names and when they work hard you get angry at them for not solving the problems you're too dumb to. When you put that pressure and expectation on smart kids that is what happens.
exactly JIM!
Does any one know the actual name of the story, or a link to the data? This would be intriguing to study
Forgive me for NOT commenting on your thraed/topic ..... (not like I don't have a very good understanding of the subject matter).Just that your contribution to the Jeff G./Protein Wisdom/OSM thraed was most excellent. No one really knows where the ball is rolling. But it will get somewhere when we all together keep pushing it along (sorry for the hippie speak).Elmo.
Any one know the name of the actual study?
Intelligence across childhood in relation to illegal drug use in adulthood: 1970 British Cohort Study
James White, G David Batty
J Epidemiol Community Health 2012;66:9 767-774 Published Online First: 14 November 2011
We use drugs because its the only thing that makes dealing with all the dumb people tolerable.
"We use drugs because its the only thing that makes dealing with all the dumb people tolerable:
TRUE!
Without drugs or alcohol, existance with all the idiots on this planet is insufferable.
Hey Nat, my guess if you have an IQ of 100 at best. You aren't part of the intelligent group so quit trying to pretend you are.
I think a drug is not a drug and it doesn't really matter what your intellect....its all about pleasure and contentment(or excitement)...everyone, no matter what their IQ seeks joy,pleasure and excitement. many so called simple people get that joy from simple things such as the delusional joys of religion and love(other examples include fishing, sports and socializing...etc). other people have little ability to find that simple joy in a world that is perceived as lacking in opportunity or a life lacking in hope for more than mortal flesh and bone existence until a possible painful and humiliating death. a Combination of awareness of the futility of sacrificing joy and pleasure for the sake of " building a life".....all while gradually falling apart through time and decay will drive a person who cannot find joy in years of education to get a piece of paper just to look forward to a good paying job(probably stuck in a chair in front of a computer in a box)....or willingly having children to gain joy from knowing they will replace you on this earth(as if that makes up for your own death if you cannot delude yourself with going up to magic land in the clouds after you die)...to insanity....shewww!
The obvious solution is to use a drug. Many foolishly choose alcohol due to its legality, cost and social acceptance; other people choose marijuana because it almost literally is the drug of contentment....when you are able to smoke marijuana you don't mind that your job sucks or that you aren't rich. Sure you would like to be rich, but its ok that you're not because even on a bad day you know that after work you're going to go home and relax while doing something you enjoy all while feeling that the drug has increased the joy of the activity and even the perception of the allotted time seems extended.
Many of the other more potent drugs are a combination of extreme dissatisfaction with life, natural predisposition toward pleasure seeking without restraint and natural curiosity toward a drug that went horribly wrong!
There are always exceptions to every rule or list of rules.....all but one: We are all only human! We ask to much of ourselves to the point that the tasks seem so impossible that they are not only not worth doing, but are actually worth rebelling against simply for the sake of proving that in reality you don't HAVE to do anything but to actually BE HUMAN!....Sometimes Quitting at the so called game of life is the smartest thing a person can do in order to save themselves from living a life that is not a life at all, and a stable buzz always seems the logical place to start.
I feel a extreme need to also point out that many people of high IQ are as simple minded as people of Zero education, and are just as susceptible to the pressures of constant bombardment from misleading moral brainwashing (for better or worse) and have tendency to site the ideas of others in new ways.....as though that represented proof of their own intelligence rather than being nothing more than the ability to read and remember the works and words of others!......to remember is not to learn! learning is an action of knowing and gaining information. The best information is not scholastic, its theological wisdom......(probably not saying this as i intend) so.....a person of high IQ could figure out how to build a doomsday device........a wise man can tell you why not to build it........or kill the person of high IQ!.....So maybe high IQ people SHOULD be on drugs.....we don't need a minority of angry creators of tech......with no pleasurable outlet other than taking over or destroying the seemingly inferior roadblocks.
AMEN!!!
Just to clarify - the amen is for Mike's statement.
Ok guys, there is a really simple explanation for this. I have a pretty high IQ. I believe it was 144 when I was last officially tested. I have been struggling with drug abuse starting out with drinking in high school. I even had 5 AP classes per year and still was getting straight As. I was drinking heavily almost 5-6 times a week. I started suffering from IBS, which is also often associated with high IQs. Because of the constant pain I was in, I graduated to marijuana briefly, but that made me too anxious so I graduated to harder drugs. I started getting in Vicodin and Oxycodone. Once that became too expensive, I graduated to smoking black tar heroin and Xanax to mellow me out and kill the pain. From there, now I am on 90 mg of oxymorphone a day and 2 mg of Xanax all prescribed by doctors.
Now for my theory. There is a huge correlation between the number of neurons in your brain and the number of neurons in your gut. I think people with larger brains and high IQs often suffer from gastrointestinal issues because of this. They simply have more neurons and their intestinal tract is much more sensitive. Also, people that are highly intelligent often look for ways to calm their brain because it's annoying having to constantly be thinking all the time about all sorts of things in the background. So, people with higher IQs are generally going to be searching for ways to relieve their overactive brains and guts.
That is a very interesting theory and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I, too, tested in the 140s back in the day (though in fairness, I have my doubts about how accurately a childhood IQ test predicts adult intelligence), have a sensitive GI tract, and often feel compelled to get comfortably numb to alleviate the boredom. This thread has been fascinating reading!
bw, I would like to get in touch with you somehow to discuss GI issues, etc. Got an email I can contact you at?
One more thing to add that people addicted with drugs are curse of the society, particularly most crimes are committed by those addicts. Again drug trafficking in collaboration with arms smuggling make connections with terrorists and insurgents. So, I do not believe that people with higher IQ are engaged with these crime issues.
IQENHANCE
the word "drug" is the biggest misnomer in the english language. there is a HUGE difference between "drugs" (i.e. cocaine, heroin, crack, meth, oxys, benzos, pharmies...etc) vs. shamanic plant medicine.
i dont have the energy or capacity to explain what this means if you do not understand. crack open your mind and see whats really inside and shed the layers to the core
"The mass of people who are Bible-taught never get free from the erroneous impressions stamped on their minds in their infancy, so that their manhood or womanhood can have no intellectual fulfillment, and millions of them only attain mentally to a sort of second childhood"
They must find it hard to take Truth for authority who have so long mistaken Authority for Truth. – G.M.
I hate religion with a passion and see it as a cancer on a cancer(the first cancer being barbaric, ignorant humans)...to the point that I think I've become obsessed with that hate and thoughts of attempting to understand how it's possible for someone to be so fooled by a religious education (that being an insult to the word "education") ...I now and am surrounded by many of these ignorant people with their misleadingly bright faces. So horrid, it is as a prison of see through walls, gourmet meals and an open door so that you may leave.....but it is a fools choice; for your forced but self inflicted death lie on the other side!!......the result of my frustration and abusive upbringing.........total inability to focus on anything but either hate; or excepting chemical alleviation.
sometimes I hope there is a afterlife..........and ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE who ever chose to have faith will be the ones who go to Hell, while those who chose to question without the arrogance of assumption falsely portrayed as fact....will be rewarded!
though not with the Heaven of the Babble....Bible......to me the Bibles' description of eternal joy singing songs and praying to God and Jesus sounds a lot like my version of a brainwashed Hell of forced enslavement!
145. Been a speed freak since the age of 16. Because I LIKE it.
I have an IQ over 200, 184, 140, etc. depends on which test, which day, particular age... No drugs. How many people were surveyed? 10,000? You can take any segment of the population and have similar findings....I don't think these studies provide any new glimpses into the existential troubles of modern population. I could have an IQ of 100. Perhaps, compare the population at every group from 90-110, 110-120....etc. I have seen a similar study conducted in Europe. Also, drug use is more linked to EQ not IQ.....emotional stability and maturity. I would also guess the drug usage is greater in the range of 90-110. Also, as someone pointed out above, a high IQ does not begin at 107, it begins around 128-129....this study is so flawed. Hamartia imbedded indeed.
Someone that is as smart as you claim to be ought to be able to think a little deeper than the surface of such a concept. Think about this. People with high IQs often reject the notion of religion because they see right through the corruption and motives behind organized religion. Therefore, they lose the part of their lives that fulfills the spiritual aspect of themselves. Some people find solace in drug use or feel connected and enlightened when under the influence of their drugs. People with high IQs often have problems shutting off their brains. I know this from personal experience and surveying other engineers at my workplace. The constant thought processing can become annoying at times when trying to sleep or relax, and this causes anxiety. So for this reason, people with high IQs might tend to steer towards alcohol, benzo, or opiate abuse (or whatever drug turns off those thoughts). Everyone needs a way to recharge, and I know benzos make it so I can finally relax after a stressful situation or prior to one because it prevents my brain for over analyzing it. And here's yet another reason people with high IQs might lean towards drug use. As I mentioned in a previous post, studies have shown that people with high intelligence have a higher number of neurons in their digestive tract. If you haven't learned about the brain-gut connection, you should read up on it. This is why people with higher IQs often suffer from diseases like IBS because their "second brain" is often sensitive and as overactive as their primary brain. Why don't you do a little research on the topic rather than just looking at the surface and saying "drugs are bad, therefore, dumb people use drugs."
I was tested twice, before age 10 : 149, then 151 – and abused drugs in the 60's as a teen – leading to eventual heroin addiction – so I guess this resonates w/ me.......
"No matter what I did, what I said, where I went, I was never comfortable with the shell I carried called myself."
It is....
I'll post this to everyone and hope to get replies... Drugs are simply a petty outside influence designed to offset- most times, slightly tilt for the better- your mood. In no way should they be taken seriously to the point of dependance. Addiction is baffling but I can see how people prefer the escape instead of the constant haunting of reality. Addiction is as fallible as any other habit, and habits are a LOT more broad than many people assume; your daily routine, the manner in which you react and handle things, how often you get depressed or introverted during the day... All have been learned and can be forgotten. They simply need to be handled intellectually- with just a few grains of salt instead of buckets of emotion.
People with higher IQ's are less likely to accept "stupification" as a viable solution for tolerating life's naturally depressive conontation [ or maybe it is simply void of emotion- cold and indifferent, only favoring those strong enough to survive and evolve... Only approaching this in a purely scientific manner 😉 ]
Anyone reading this should check out this text about "Smart people" (those who are more likely to survive and strive for evolution) and their correlation to Depressive Realism, it is what I find most relate-able in terms of how I regard my mindstate.
link: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=depressions-evolutionary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressive_realism
interesting
I seriously doubt they are the real mecdtaiion and if they are, they aren't good quality because they would have to be shipping them from a different country where their standards may not be as high as the USA's FDA's standards.Why would you need to order prescription drugs on the internet without a script unless you are looking to abuse them.
So i have read all the 900 so comments on the this article, I'm one of the people high IQ blah ADD blah smoke pot. But all the people who agree with this article I find it strange its missing one BIG piece of information the source. Name of the study what journal. You take the word of some editor online, its like thinking Wikipedia a credible source, its good lots of error no sources. For you supposed high IQ people you pretty dumb. If you have read a medical or Psychology journal and you don't know how to read it, you can misinterpret it. I think, i am not asking for much but i want the source. To the writer i think your paraphrasing skills are good, but some thing is missing stats and no reference to anything else. Seems like you paraphrased the abstract and very well i might add.
thank you
my stoned rant about this damn article.
Try developing a relationship with God! It worked for me and my 146 IQ! No need for drugs of any kind! Funny how not one person commented about that, just how smart they are, how much they love Jessy, and how much they seem to need drugs. Truth be told I only read 25% of the comments but that was as accurate of a study as the original article. Rubbish for the most part no real study was done just some stats taken over a long period of time.
First- 146 is not a high IQ so you would not be part of this study. Second- god is in no way tangible or related to this because he's not real. Third- if you stopped doing drugs because you started believing in sometime that is not real good for you but religion is like a penis. It's okay for you to have one, but don't whip it out in public, and please stop trying to jam it down our throats.
Art, don't worry about "Not God"'s comments. The article clearly states that, for the study, "A high IQ is defined as a score between 107 and 158", so your 146 seems like it should qualify. Maybe "Not God" should spend more time trying to understand the article before posting information...especially when their comments are solelyfor their own agenda.
Beats no study at all. If you have no experience of drugs (impossible by the way, had Paracetamol?), then your comment is merely supposition, ideology, and that fairy tale marketed by the bible pushers. In my opinion, as a Drug and Alcohol Counselor of many years experience, the clients i see who use ILLEGAL drugs- especially heroin do indeed have higher than average I.Q.'s, and are generally more creative than average. Cocaine users are often intelligent risk takers, (in my practice I see many users involved in the money markets). There are many variables, however- one of which is a strict religious upbringing. Other variables are Access, availability, affordability (note stats on doctors, nurses etc) and I suspect more intelligent people become bored more easily, therefore
Worried about drugs? For a friend? For yourself?
A new, most up-to-date book has been published by an Emory Professor – The Addicted Brain. It is an easy read that covers drug toxicity, how to get off drugs, how to find treatment, and many more topics. A drug user has reviewed it and strongly supports it. Go to Amazon.com, click on “books”, enter “Michael Kuhar (the author)” and the “Addicted Brain” should come up. Don’t wait to find out and get help.
Who cares about your 146 IQ. It probably isn't anywhere near accurate. Besides, I'm sure there are other addictions/flaws that your "relationship with God" covers up. Quit being so self-righteous. There are many people who got screwed up worse when they were sucked into mass religion and cults. Religion is not the answer. Common sense, respect for others, and clean living are what matter.
IQ of 146 and you still need your imaginary friend?!
"First- 146 is not a high IQ"
100 is held to be, on average, the 50th percentile for people of European genetic descent. That is, the statistical median. It fluctuates by country (genetic pool), slightly.
Between 130-135 is the top 2.2% of the population (98% percentile) for the same general group.
Above 135 is the 99% percentile.
Above 130 is considered quite high. 1 in 50 people of European descent have at least this IQ.
146 is exceedingly high, and much higher than you need to enter into any profession that you wish. Only 1 in 1000 people of European descent have this IQ.
160 IQ is 1 in 30,000
171 IQ is 1 in 1,000,000
The only thing that gets me is all the people here claiming to have IQ's North of 140. It's highly unlikely based on the statistical distribution. When I stopped to write this message, I had counted four such claims within around 8 posts. Remember, internet IQ tests don't count.
from wikipedia. go there for the citation:
Real-life accomplishments
Average adult combined IQs associated with real-life accomplishments by various tests:[88][89]
MDs, JDs, or PhDs 125+ (WAIS-R, 1987)
College graduates 112 (KAIT, 2000; K-BIT, 1992), 115 (WAIS-R)
1–3 years of college 104 (KAIT, K-BIT), 105-110 (WAIS-R)
Clerical and sales workers 100-105
High school graduates, skilled workers (e.g., electricians, cabinetmakers) 100 (KAIT, WAIS-R), 97 (K-BIT)
1–3 years of high school (completed 9–11 years of school) 94 (KAIT), 90 (K-BIT), 95 (WAIS-R)
Semi-skilled workers (e.g., truck drivers, factory workers) 90-95
Elementary school graduates (completed eighth grade) 90
Elementary school dropouts (completed 0–7 years of school) 80-85
Have 50/50 chance of reaching high school 75
Average IQ of various occupational groups:[90]
Professional and technical 112
Managers and administrators 104
Clerical workers; sales workers; skilled workers, craftsmen, and foremen 101
Semi-skilled workers (operatives, service workers, including private household) 92
Unskilled workers 87
Type of work that can be accomplished:[88]
Adults can harvest vegetables, repair furniture 60
Adults can do domestic work 50
Adults can mow lawns, do simple laundry 40
Tom: I would not want someone with an IQ of 40 mowing my lawns. I would never see the end of their work comp claims. Jes' sayin'.
also to Tom:
AH! I stand corrected...it states that they CAN mow lawns, not that they SHOULD mow lawns.
Hey, yo "arl"...
Religion is the opiate of the masses. – K.M. (ummm, just fer u, that approximates the quote from Karl Marx since yer all "stuff" n' stuff...)
"Goodbye arl" (ummm, also just fer u (tryin' to keep things simple-like here fer ya) – approximates the quote from the Dixie Chicks song. Sorry for the rest of y'all that I had to resort to that, but thought that he/she might be able to "dumb-down" to that explanation...we'll see what fun stuff ensues... 🙂
Was an addict for 10 years, always smart, thought the drugs were "helping" me get through school, life, everything. After two rehabs and a bunch of boring AA meetings the only thing that cured me was God. Period. I found Him. Not shoving it down anyones throat. It was just the only thing that worked, at least just look into it.
This is how it came up. I have a high IQ. I drank and smoked and stuff. I don't believe I used them because I was smart or didn't fit in. I believe it was because i didn't have a relationship with God. that's when all hell broke lose! Pun intended! Developed a personal relationship with God and wow no more drugs and stuff! Technically I fit the study and actually appreciate the outlet.
Your high IQ is clearly represented by your stellar grammar.
"And stuff", dude, if you have a high IQ I am Jesus...retard.
In reply to Quadraginta's comments:1) The pateint in question gave me permission to discuss his case publicly, provided I gave no identifying information – and none is provided in my post.2) You've apparently misconstrued my intent in discussing the case. It's not about narcissistic self-aggrandizement . . . far from it. In fact, I'm not a particularly gifted therapist. My point was simply this: "behavior therapy for OCD is such an effective intervention that it can be used successfully even by those for whom the intervention falls outside their purview of expertise". Make sense?3) Finally, your caveat about the inadvisability of breezy language in scientific discourse is a point well taken . . . except for the fact that I'm not writing at the moment for a scientific audience! I assure you, when addressing my colleagues in peer-refereed journals, there's a great deal more nuance – but such nuance, in my experience, does not facilitate communication with a lay audience.Regardless, the major point of my post stands up under rigorous scientific scrutiny: the best available evidence at this time suggests that behavior therapy is the most efficacious form of interention for OCD.
You find generic drugs when the brand name compnay's patent runs out. It means that other companies can then begin producing the same product as well. You're buying the same thing, just read the ingredients, you just don't have to pay for the name, advertising and R D that goes into the name brand's product.
I suppose natural curiosity could be a factor also, but it depends on how that person was raised. Conservative, strict parents don't generally raise children to be risk-takers. But if for some reason, the chlid is either a rebel or is very independent-minded, this could open the possibility to experimentation with such things, if access become possible.
MEN MADE BEER GOD MADE WEED, IN GOD WE TRUST!!!
your "God" also made Tobacco...therefore, your logic is flawed Mr. Hillbilly.
The user comments on this article are absolutely retarded. This isn't an article about religion, stop trying to shove your views down everyone's throat. And jsyk, religion is not a cure for addiction.
Anyway on to the topic of the article. I literally had to hold back tears because it says what I've been saying all along. Being an above-average person in terms of intellect, I've had to deal with ridicule and judgement whenever I've attempted to defend drug use. In my AP classes during high school, I knew 3 heroin addicts and many others who were casual drug users. I've used a wide range of drugs myself, which I have received harsh judgement from my peers because of. Yet whenever I try to engage these closed-minded people in debate about drug use, they just spit half-truths and straight up lies about drugs to defend their position. I guess that's what years of DARE indoctrination will do to a person with a malleable mind.
Not all drug users are intelligent. And not all intelligent people use drugs. But there is a considerable degree of overlap between the two. And I'm glad that I have an article to cite next time someone begins an anti-drug rant on me.
Precisely accurate...very well said.
Hi. I'm 14 years old. I believe as intellectual people, speaking for the majority of the people who commented, we shouldn't argue about something as obscure as religion. We should unite. Or at least discuss something less controversial, and relevant to this article. Like drugs! One year ago, I began to toke marijuana. I now have harnessed the herb's capability to view life from altered, differential perspectives, and I have enriched my mind. Being the only white kid in the class of "the gifted and talented", I was curious about the world around me. I didn't originally "fit in" with my grade, going into freshman year in high school because there was no "Gifted and talented class", but I began to learn HOW to fit in. I will solemnly admit, the first time I even encountered a "popular kid" outside of school was because of a smoke session. Drugs DO enhance your IQ. They stimulate the mind in such unbelievable ways that you can learn things almost better. But marijuana does not work wonders with everyone. Like anything, some people cannot tolerate the high it provides. Well I'll just sum this up by saying YES to drugs because it is a personal decision in the end. No one is truly forcing you to do anything.
The truth is that as harmless as marijuana seems, studies have also shown that motivation is seriously decreased in users who's brains are still rapidly developing, such as in teenagers. You should wait until you're at least 18 or 19.
aup,In my opinion, dpoeessirn is best treated with a combination of cognitive-behavioral therapy and anti-depressants. If your friend's coverage allows a few visits–she could find a provider on the list who does short term therapy and then refer her on to a psychiatrist for meds if needed. It really depends on the type, duration and reason for the dpoeessirn as to what treatment or combination of treatments is needed. A competent therapist should be able to assist her with this. Even a few sessions may point her in the right direction.
People here that are saying drug users are dumb or that this study is BS have obviously not frequented drug forums. Some of the brightest people out there are on these forums. Yes, a lot of them are addicts, but obviously being an addict has nothing to do with how smart or dumb you are.
that we could give Tylenol folwloed 2 hours by Ibuprofin folwloed 2 hours by Tylenol. It all depends on how much pain you are all in and what your medicinal preferences are. I can tell you that none of us felt very good or acted very good without sleep! My kids couldn't tolerate the orajel or the cold
With all the stupid, irrelevant comments about religion preaching against drugs, I can already tell that the studies mentioned in this article are actually real, and there is definitely a gap in IQ.
We use drugs because we need something to take the edge off and help us cope with having to share oxygen with people dumb enough to buy the DARE/Just Say No party line.
Why in the hell are you all talking about God?
God Doesn't Exist...
Moving on... as someone who IS intelligent the reason i use drugs is because the principle basis of an intellectual is to be able to perceive things in as many ways as possible... thus using mind altering substances... I use it as a different form of thinking... I'll think about different things and each time arriving with new conclusions and and arguments... i think it's hogwash to say that correlation is causation, but thats not to say that there may not be a reason here..
I was identified in grade school as being in the 99th percentile of intelligence, (with certain areas higher and some lower). I have very carefully sampled many drugs, with much research going into studying the health effects and optimal environment before I tried each. My main reason is that, if it can be done safely, I like to experience different states of mind, to think differently.
Why spend all of my time in the state of mind most suited to hunter gatherer survival?
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OMG. don't wanna.
I have used many substances over the years but have settled into a moderate intake of marijuana and alcohol. I don't kid myself about wanting to experience a different frame of mind to extend my intellectualism, I use these substances to quiet my mind so that I can simply be without the constant interruptions of too many thoughts. Medicinal, therapeutic, numbing the pain, self-medicating, call it what you will. I sleep fairly well and am known to smile and make jokes. And I don't do my work while using substances. Fuzzy does not equal succinct.
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My first thought was that smarter kids have more confidence in themselves when it comes to doing "naughty stuff" whereas the more ordinary kids will be less confident partying with adult beverages.
This is why I think this "study" didn't include kids who grow up in bad neighborhoods (they're all getting high). And the bullies, thugs and jocks (estimated IQ range: 90 – 100) at my high school were party animals. And the average IQ inside a correctional facility is around 85 and they work around the clock to get intoxicated on something.
Conclusion: the gifted kids feel confident about getting into trouble, the dumb kids just don't know what they're doing and don't see the danger (and have more confidence than they should), and the average to high end average intelligence kids avoid "trouble".
tyfyt
Some good insight on the thread!
Everybody is susceptible to falling victim to some form of substance abuse. This is a very interesting article. Maybe people with high IQs have a lot going through their mind constantly and drugs and alcohol are the only way to find serenity. I think the same can be said about people with average and below-average IQs. I don't think it is important what a person's IQ is. If someone is in need of help then there should be an effective system in place to help people recover from their seemingly hopeless state. I was addicted to drugs as a young adult. I got help and I have been clean and sober for the past decade. I got help from a sober living called New Life House. If you are looking for help check out their website. http://www.newlifehouse.com
http://www.newlifehouse.com a structured sober living for teens recovering from drug and/or alcohol addiction
David,I will be checking in every week. I have not seen or heard antynihg bad about this from early previews. Scorsese\'s stamp on this tells me all I need to know.John, I look forward to discussing the show with you. DHS
Thanks for the link, Helen – you're a gem! I wanted to adsders a couple of the comments above:First, on the cost issue . . . it's important to consider both short-term and long-term costs. Behavior therapy for OCD lasts about 3-4 months and will typically cost about $2000 (with insurance, the patient might pay $500-1000). OCD meds tend to run about $70 a month; with psychiatrist intake and periodic med evals, that would mean a total short-term cost of about $800.So, the meds sound cheaper, at least in the short-term. But consider that the person who chooses the medication route will be taking the meds for a lifetime (the relapse rate when meds are discontinued is over 90%). After 10 years, the medication cost is well over $10,000, while the person who chose behavior therapy still has a total cost of only $2,000 (perhaps as little as $500 out of pocket with insurance).As for the convenience of medication vs. therapy . . . it's certainly true that swallowing a pill is a lot easier than doing the work of therapy, but in so many cases the pill doesn't represent a complete cure. The largest outcome study of meds for depression was just published last week (nearly 3,000 patients on Celexa), and only 28% of these patients were cured, even in the short-term! And do you know the average length of time a patient stays on depression meds? It's less than 45 days. Why? Side effects.Therapy may be a bit more work, but as in so many domains of life, it's those who put in the hard work who reap the greatest rewards.Peace.
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Very interesting article. I am a recovering heroin addict and I have been clean and sober for three years. I was always able to succeed academically and hold down jobs and it looked like I had it together. Except, much like "Tracy" said, I was so uncomfortable with myself and it seemed like drugs and alcohol were the only solution. Fortunately I was able to get help from a great place called New Life House and I have been sober ever since. If you are suffering they may be able to help you too. Check out their website at http://www.newlifehouse.com
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This is totally random and has little to do with the subject matter itself other than the fact that I am considered "high IQ" by the ridiculous "Intelligence Quotient" test and I have done MANY drugs. (I am waiting for you "grammar nazis" to come through and correct my punctuation and word usage like it actually has anything to do with the concept of IQ and use it to "prove" how stupid everything I say actually is.)
I do/did drugs for one reason and one reason alone: I believe in the very concept of Hedonism. I love the idea. I don't believe that there can, based upon the evidence shown at this point, that there is any intelligent higher power. I don't believe in the necessity for bowing and scraping to become a fat little cherub complete with wings and a harp. (Yes, that was absolutely an asinine statement and does not reflect my knowledge about your religion, only the amount that I take it seriously).
In my world there is ONE TRUE GOD, just like yours: It is the god of personal pleasure. It is the very concept that the only true, intrinsic good in this world is personal pleasure and the promotion of the personal pleasure of the world around you. This is a very personal concept that can span many ideas from sex, to drugs, to love, to sado-masochistic tendencies. In my opinion, as long as your actions do not cause direct or indirect harm to other individuals (like drunk driving, robbing, rape, you know the drill) then you are free to participate in your world pursuing your happiness.
Now, as people decide to bombard and attack, know that I don't care: I just figured I'd drop my two cents.
I don't believe that there can, based upon the evidence shown at this point, be any intelligent higher power. ***
Whatever the level of IQ of a person, I don't think that it has a relation with taking drug by some one. Other all high IQ personnel would have been drug addicted. Again, people try to enhance brain activity, where medicine has some impact to it.
IQ,IQENHANCE
Intelligence and curiosity go hand in hand. Once you have the courage to question the propaganda, the truth will set you free of those mind prisons.
After reading this collection of thoughts, I know now how many angels (or devils) can dance on the head of a pin! Recently I rediscovered an old friend who had to have a can of beer in his computer bag wherever he went. I knew his background and suggested he go to a quiet room, seek out Jesus and seriously ask for healing. I guess, regardless of his religious background, he was not ready to face Jesus face to face. I believe in Christian healing, others may not. His background believed in this healing, I was not meddling in his belief, I was simply fortifying it. Hence, Whatever will be, will be. And
let's all go to the dance this Saturday night.
So,what's the moral of this story? LOl! Why not study the musicians to see how they grow smarter over time.. it's always in Music videos.
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I haven't checked if anyone else posted similarly, but my opinion is that intelligent children often find themselves different from the more social children. As teenagers they easily cave to peer pressure in search of new experiences. Drugs, including alcohol, give these individuals the first opportunity to feel stupid. Finally they don't have to think so much. As adults they probably form a routine of drug use as a means to wind down, relax and/or let loose.
For those asking the name of the study....
Intelligence across childhood in relation to illegal drug use in adulthood: 1970 British Cohort Study
James White, G David Batty
J Epidemiol Community Health 2012;66:9 767-774 Published Online First: 14 November 2011
lmao... so many peolpe saying "as an intelligent person..." "my IQ is 140 blah".... none of you are intelligent... the fact you all think you are intelligent just shows how un-intelligent you are.
I pity the fools whom actually believe that intelligence is measurable.
IQ is a divisive, manipulative, social engineering tool.
It is not a sign of good mental health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
Most people feel anxious or depressed at times. Losing a loved one, getting fired from a job, going through a divorce, and other difficult situations can lead a person to feel sad, lonely, scared, nervous, or anxious. These feelings are normal reactions to life's stressors.But some people experience these feelings daily or nearly daily for no apparent reason, making it difficult to carry on with normal, everyday functioning. These people may have an anxiety disorder, depression, or both...;.`
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I enjoy the herb, it's all I have ever used, I avoid drugs as I consider them, especially chemical synthetic drugs , a plague upon the people – Cannabis has served mankind down thru the centuries with food, fiber and is an entirely safe and soothing mediciant – that's a lot of people to label as "druggies' –
157... I admit to using to quiet the ideas in my head so I can watch TV or fall asleep. So I can enjoy an ordinary life with my ordinary surroundings. When I'm working on a project at work or taking classes I'm fine. Otherwise my brain is nonstop. I'm on scripts tho. I can see why people use illegally it can be maddening!
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