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November 14th, 2011
06:30 PM ET
High IQ linked to drug useThe "Just Say No" generation was often told by parents and teachers that intelligent people didn't use drugs.   Turns out, the adults may have been wrong. A new British study finds children with high IQs are more likely to use drugs as adults than people who score low on IQ tests as children. The data come from the 1970 British Cohort Study, which has been following thousands of people over decades.  The kids' IQs were tested at the ages of 5, 10 and 16. The study also asked about drug use and looked at education and other socioeconomic factors.  Then when participants turned 30, they were asked whether they had used drugs such as marijuana, cocaine and heroin in the past year. The lead researcher says he isn't surprised by the findings. "Previous research found for the most part people with high IQs lead a healthy life, but that they are more likely to drink to excess as adults," says James White a psychologist at Cardiff University in the United Kingdom. It's not clear why people with high childhood IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs. "We suspect they may be more open to new experiences and are more sensation seeking," says White. In the paper, White and his co-author also mention other studies that find high IQ kids may use drugs because they are bored or to cope with being different. That seems to ring true for one of my childhood classmates. Tracey Helton Mitchell was one of the smartest kids in my middle school. But, by the time she was in her early 20's, Tracey was a heroin addict. I found out while flipping channels one sleepless night and stumbled upon the documentary "Black Tar Heroin." "I was confident in my abilities but there was a dissonance," says Tracey, with whom I recently reconnected. "No matter what I did, what I said, where I went, I was never comfortable with the shell I carried called myself."
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Great discussion here – I'd have to take my experience a level deeper. Ruiz, writes about the Toltec mythology where the "mitote" is the equivalent of a thousand voices in the marketplace, speaking all at once. Those thousand voices are all the voices in your head that tell you what is right or wrong. Experimenting with substances allows us to listen to one or a set of these voices at a time. Otherwise the noise can be deafening. Not the "Sybil" type voices – just our conscience communicating through our socialization and thinking – offering an interpretation of reality. So, trying this and that – gives a chance to hear a different (and sometimes more compelling) version of our reality. Not trying to pimp the book – but it helped me put it all in an understandable perspective – good luck! The book is the "Four Agreements"
My brain is always on overdrive... always busy doing something. I dread waking up at 3am because it means my head is going to tick through code branches until 5am. Sometimes that is productive, sometimes its annoying especially if I have a meeting and need my beauty sleep (I need lots!). So quelling those whirring gadgets so that I can fit in the tin can we call society is definitely needed from time to time. I think the 100 IQ'rs use the TV... sorry, but TV is more stupifying than any weed. All these jokers who think weed drains your brain power better check there totally non-productive, societal numbing, stupifying boob toob watching.
Remember that 100 is average, meaning that 50% of the population are over 100. 107 is less that half a standard deviation from the norm, so we are still talking over a third of humanity.
Also, this is self-reported drug use.
So, what they proved was that the top half of humanity was more willing to admit to their drug use than the bottom half. This could be because of increased drug use. It could also be because of (1) increased financial ability, (2) an increased trust in the system leading to greater disclosure (the less intellegent being less honest because they are afraid it is a trick and they will get in trouble), or (3) a phenomenon tied to the culture or time period (British drug use since the 1980 is likely different in context than that over here in the colonies).
Of course, there is also the "cart before the horse" nature of this argument. Research papers only make you money on the circuit when the topic sells. Saying that smart people use drugs is a great way to get the old hippie proffessors to recomend them to the next generation of stoners. Clearly, even if the % of intellegent people using drugs is higher, it is a tragic result of, not cause for, their higher intellegence.
My guess is that almost every behavior has a minor upward adjustment with intellegence, as intellegence drives to action. Smart people do more, while ignorance tends towards minimal effort in all things.
'Their', not 'there', smartypants...
Smart pot-heads are the best conversationalists, as this discussion attests. Read a book recently, The Anti-Soul, that gives the best description of what it's like to have a super-active intellect that needs to be tempered. The author describes a character as having a mind like a fire hose. The character doesn't constantly process info because he chooses to, he does it because it's the only way he has of keeping his mind under control. Maybe that's why smarter people are more apt to use drugs.
Maybe the thousand voices are not so unique; maybe they are simply part of being human. And while experimentation with drugs at a young age–as a way to hook into a single avenue of sustained thought–is understandable (and common), some would suggest that self-discipline is another answer. Just as a person can wrestle other seemingly uncontrollable human mental patterns into submission (desire, for example), mental discipline can help quell the scatter-shot and conflicting thoughts. Just as a young person who trains as a gymnast learns to develop strength, balance, and control of the muscular system, people can tame their own brains and gain mastery over their own ways of thinking.
What's a little disheartening about some comments is an element of rationalization. Some seem to be saying, "I'm very smart, so it's only understandable that I dose myself with alcohol or weed or other drugs." And this is often prefaced with an IQ number. That's fine and a choice anyone may make about what to write. But in very young people, IQ points are a measure of potential. Beyond an age from 15 to 25 perhaps, it becomes a gravestone marker for regretted potential. It's not enough to be smart; you don't get a pass on progress and growth because of it. Beyond a certain age, a high IQ that yields no results (using whatever values you might assign to growth) is a hallmark of a loss at conducting your life. You can always redeem yourself, but part of "being smart" is understanding that intelligence is meaningless if it's wasted.
Actually, it is almost exactly 1/3, and it is only tragic if it leads to addiction. Tracking addiction rates would be VERY interesting though MUCH more difficult to study.
I never realized I went to high school with so many geniuses.
The article claims that higher IQ implies higher probability of using drugs. NOT that using drugs implies a higher probability of having a higher IQ.
Thank you for the clarification Captain Obvious. Please step this way for your "Sense of Humor" injection. You're going to need a larger dose.
All this proves to me is society's measurement of intelligence is flawed. Period.
Steve Jobs, and I qoute "my experience on LSD is one of the two or three most important things I did in life"
-It's not about taking the drug, it's the information gathering, you will miss the point, Jobs was a hippy but that didn't mean he was advocating drug abuse, he was talking about taking the drug to understand it's mind altering state, and the ability to expand ones thought. I mean you got to have a pretty imaginative mind if you can take LSD and see the fields playing Bach. The point is to think outside of the box. Not abuse drugs.
During this time, Jobs experimented with psychedelics, calling his LSD experiences "one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life".[28] He later said that people around him who did not share his countercultural roots could not fully relate to his thinking.[28]
Ron Paul 2012!
I noticed years ago that unimaginative people prefer alcohol and depressive drugs, while the brighter or more artistic ones like weed and acid as sources of inspiration. Don't get me started about people who drink cough syrup.
He can't win, don't excite yourself too much, kid
Paris Hilton/Lindsay Lohan 2012!
Obviously you have never taken so much as an aspirin...
Look at the polls and get out of your confinement Alex.
@ Bible Clown – Good point. I could never get into booze but found weed very interesting. No wonder it's illegal, Intelligence has always threatened some people.
Not so fast, Bibleclown. My I.Q. is 135. Did it ever occur to you that the reason that we got drunk or stoned was to dull the pain of dealing on a day-to-day basis with dim, cantankerous parents, teachers and bosses who were more afraid to answer our questions and lose face than they were of the Devil himself???
Jorge, generally weed makes you think more. Shutting off irritating people is more like the intended function of beer.
Because
1) Dealing with the 100 IQ people
2) Knowing + Understanding the systems surrounding them are completely destructive and counter productive for the species as a whole
you make a good point orionstyles with number 1. Also, i dont know my IQ but i would say i am an intelligent person. I THINK alot, always in my head, and it drives me crazy sometimes (especially when i cant figure something out) so opening a can of beer or smoking a doob every once awhile takes the edge off.
I've been struggling your second point lately, you just finally brought me some clarity.
Besides... doing Master's homework sober isn't any fun.
Well, number 2, or lack of it, would at least explain religion. And Congress.
That's EXACTLY what I was THINKING. LOL. It's to be able to DEAL with the IDIOTS of this world and being able to live with them daily. It's hard to fly like an eagle when you're surrounded by a bunch of turkey's!!!
(2) bugs me the most lately. a bunch of us see this happening but what can be done to stop a sea of idiots from wiping out the species? maybe we need a plague or other disaster to put some evolutionary pressure on us again.
so this means im a genius right?
Yes. Now please solve our problems.
This study is hard to draw conclusions from. Is it possible that high IQ people were just more willing to admit taking drugs (high IQ => more confidence => more willing to admit taking drugs)? Is it possible that the IQs of people taking drugs started higher and the drugs still lowered their IQs? I think that the article over-simplifies the possibilities.
I was going to say the same thing. The other unfortunate thing with lots of studies is that they look for causality where it is not necessarily present. A study went and look at the IQ's of the students (a birth-right, in a sense), then later in their lives the kids are asked if they're taking drugs– a lot of them may have tried something, and although the bright ones may admit to having tried marijuana (classifying them as drug users), the less bright ones (with the lower IQ's) deny usage of drugs.
There can be no conclusions drawn from this study, because for ANY STATISTICAL TEST both factors should be selected at the same time to prevent any type of bias, or erroneous data.
Somebody has brain envy. You are obviously one of those 100 IQ'rs. Go watch Glee and get over yourself. I'm gonna light one up and forget about you (again).
There aren't a lot of drugs that lower your IQ permanently, despite what our communitiy usually says. It's always a temp thing (for the most part) and the genius will still be a genius.
It would be great if all the nonsense that the communities purveys normally could be done away with so we can get on to a better life. BTW, tax revenue on weed would help out a lot. Bible beaters do not. In many ways.
This is a seven paragraph summary of research that has been ongoing for more than 40 years. The people collecting the data are not saying they have proven causality between IQ and drug use. They are simply reporting that the people who had placed higher on an IQ test during their participation in their childhood were more likely to have answered "yes" when asked, at age 30, if they had used drugs in the past year.
This is an anonymous study, which the participants have been engaged with for many years. They are not afraid of law enforcement, job pressures, forcible rehab or detox, or any other negative impacts typically associated with an admission of drug use. They have very little reason to lie, regardless of their IQ.
This study did not look for causality. It looked for correlation. Causality is just speculation at this point. Also, this article does not fully represent the study.
Of course it oversimplifies, the study wasn't intended specifically to study usage and causes. But a correlation so far denied has been conclusively demonstrated, and the results leave some indicators for a more precise study.
No, the article described a study without drawing a lot of conclusions. Welcome to the scientific method; if you want to PROVE something, you have to design an experiment, not just gather data. I suspect the correlation is fairly slight; if you wanted to prove dope smokers are smarter than non-smokers, you'd have to have a control group which could contain both non-smokers and smokers, a group of smokers, and a group of non-smokers, and these groups would have to be large enough to be statistically significant. You get the picture . . .
"Is it possible that the IQs of people taking drugs started higher and the drugs still lowered their IQs?" I've never heard any reputable studies suggesting dope lowers your IQ. Alcohol abuse over long years will give you Korsakov's Syndrome and wreck your short-term memory, but it take a lot of booze.
With all the pro-drug people on here it's fairly obvious we live in a country (USA) of either extremely smart people or a country of idiots. Most trailer trash I've seen do a lot of drugs...and guess what man...they are not too bright. On the flip side of the coin, a lot of smart people I've seen do drugs for one main reason: they use it as a crutch for not having to live in reality. Suck it up and be useful to society. I'm part of the 53% who pay taxes so the other 47% can sit around and dope themselves up and slowly and inevitably destroy that "high IQ." High IQ...interesting choice of words....
Ever heard of recreational use? I imagine most of the intelligent users aren't sitting on the sofa wasting their lives over some dope.
"Most trailer trash I've seen do a lot of drugs...and guess what man...they are not too bright." Your use of the words "trailer trash" definitely put you in the low-IQ category.
Guess we can see you've bought into the whole Gov. propaganda line and totally disregard facts and science regarding marijuana.... who's the stupid one....?
I'm smart enough to know that non-drug users may come to a lot of unfair conclusions and stigmatize me if they know I do drugs. It's only the dumb ones who act like they don't care who knows. It's actually the big down side of smoking pot. It isolates you somewhat from people because there are some friends you have to keep at arms length because you have this secret life. Occasionally I'll get together with other smokers but that only has a limited bit of fun for me. I tend to smoke pot alone with just me and my thoughts or when I'm painting, again, another loner activity.
given the fact that marijuana actually stimulate cellular regeneration and promotes brain growth, just how does a person's IQ become "lowered"?
"Suck it up and be useful to society..."-We would be more so, if the obdurate boneheads who hate to be wrong and think that they're God's gift because they pay taxes and wave a flag would get out of our way...
I can't speak for everyone but I am also part of the "53%" I have been working since 16 and have never collected any unemployment or public aid. I have been working in defence for 30 years and will be retiring soon. I also happen to smoke pot daily when available. I am considered to be one of the best workers in my section and I am relied often to get the task done. I am not the sterotypical sit on the couch braindead stoner and of my friends who smoke none of then are stupid of a burden on scociety. iIn my experience the regular users of pot hold down full time jobs and are productive members of scociety, You only see the people blasted outta their minds and regular guys like me fade into the fabric of life un-noticed
I can't speak for everyone but I am also part of the "53%" I have been working since 16 and have never collected any unemployment or public aid. I have been working in defence for 30 years and will be retiring soon. I also happen to smoke pot daily when available. I am considered to be one of the best workers in my section and I am relied often to get the task done. I am not the sterotypical sit on the couch braindead stoner and of my friends who smoke none of then are stupid or a burden on scociety. iIn my experience the regular users of pot hold down full time jobs and are productive members of scociety, You only see the people blasted outta their minds and regular guys like me fade into the fabric of life un-noticed
Be sure to mention this on your college applications, kids.
"I was the first in my class to use meth."
Their "high IQ" classification starts at 107?
Being called a "Head" in high school doesn't has quite the sting it used to, now.
The freaks were also the brains at my school.
It could also be that a high IQ is related to making stronger, quicker connections in the brain when given new information. Addiction may be related to making similar connections when taking a drug which gives a certain sense of well-being.
genius maybe. Wise, not so much?
I disagree wholeheartedly! My friend, Bud, claims that drinking beer made him wiser. I agree with him. Drinking beer did make Bud wiser (Budweiser).
G-man, don't quit your day job.
I am pretty sure there weren't many dopers in my Differential Equations class. So what IQ test were they using to
determine the intelligence of these folks?
I think you just can't tell the people who are intelligent and smoke pot. People have stereotypes of "potheads", but the ones who actually get an education and good jobs don't fit that description. They are smart enough to be able to hide it in front of people, and still get good grades in a class (probably higher exam scores than average). I'm just talking from experience here (B.S. in chemistry, M.S. in chemistry).
There is a difference between somebody who smokes a little reefer and a pothead. When I was a teenager I smoked some, and when I got older I outgrew it, but I have friends who never outgrew it. They are the people who are always trying to find somebody to pee for them, can't keep a decent job, and are constantly in trouble with the law. One particular friend is so into pot that all he talks about is why this strain is better than that strain, and his purpose in life is getting a better high. I think that is the definition of pothead.
I also highly suspect that I did not have any classmates in college who were potheads since most of us work in law enforcement. I really don't think I would have gone through college if I was laying around smoking pot (M.S. in criminal justice, B.S. in forensic science).
Well even if you smoke pot, you still must have some motivation to succeed in life. Granted, a lot of "potheads" lack this motivation, and remain pizza drivers, or "musicians", but some actually do good things and contribute to society. Just keep an open mind when it comes to marijuana, because it's not as bad as alcohol.
all the smart people probably took diff eq or in high school or skipped it completely.
Jeffo, half of the police force in Puerto Rico, where I'm from, have a B.S. in criminal justice from John Jay. Heck, I think the neighbor's watchdog has a degree in criminal justice. Neither are what you would call MENSA material, for sure.
I can't speak for everyone but I am also part of the "53%" I have been working since 16 and have never collected any unemployment or public aid. I have been working in defence for 30 years and will be retiring soon. I also happen to smoke pot daily when available. I am considered to be one of the best workers in my section and I am relied upon often to get the task done. I am not the sterotypical sit on the couch braindead stoner and of my friends who smoke none of then are stupid of a burden on scociety. iIn my experience the regular users of pot hold down full time jobs and are productive members of scociety, You only see the people blasted outta their minds and regular guys like me fade into the fabric of life un-noticed
Bob's right; half your friends probably smoke it and you can't tell because you expect them to gibber and hallucinate or quit their jobs to play hacky-sack all day. Don't buy into stereotypes.
"It's not clear why people with high childhood IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs."
One thing is crystal clear, though.
This has to be the least useful scientific report ever published here.
Perhaps "maliciously unhelpful" would be a better description.
Doc, talking to yourself is a sign of schizophrenia. Your hysterical notion that this article will send innocent children rushing to distraction is on display elsewhere on this page. Are you waiting for someone to agree with you? Now, if there was an effete and sparkly vampire boy languidly waving a doobie and saying "All the cool kids are doing it," you might have a case.
Why is this not useful? Should we hide from knowledge about drug use? Does that help in some way? Should we just continue to make up whatever sounds useful instead of actually facts?
Because that sure hasn't helped a lot up to now.
In wasn't talking at all. I was posting.
Posting a reply in that manner is similar to adding a footnote to an essay.
"Why is this not useful? Should we hide from knowledge about drug use?"
Don't be naive. Research like this, shared between experts in a scientific journal, is one thing. Shouting it from the rooftops is another.
Kids who are pressuring their peers to join them in dangerous activities (like the heroin use mentioned in the article) now have a powerful new weapon of persuasion.
Sorry, the only effective way to battle drug abuse is through education. Using plat.itudes and lies will only work with a few people. I have an open ongoing discussion with my kids about drugs and truly hope they do not ever become addicted. But they will also know how to recognize the dangers and the signs of addiction and where to come for help if they ever need it. I also model what I hope for them. I am not anti-drug, but I am anti-addiction and the easiest way to avoid it is to avoid significant drug use.
I can't admit to having a high IQ. I can admit to doing most every drug that exists. I have no opinion in regards to high IQ possibly leading to drug use. However, I do claim that drinking beer could possibly give you wisdom. I have this really good friend named Bud. He drinks beer. He is very wise. Therefore, drinking beer made Bud wiser (Budweiser). I kill myself!
"I kill myself!"
Please, don't let us stop you.
"High" IQ. Get it.
I wonder if it has something to do with high IQ persons being less likely to blindly accept what they are told. Some of the stuff kids are taught in school about drugs is exaggerated or downright false. Before anyone says it, I'm not saying it should be removed, just more honest.
It could also be something about hihg IQ people having more stress. AP/IB classes and high level university courses followed by a manager or executive level job certainly generates more stress than a middle of the road path.
how on earth would a high IQ person end up in management. sure, it happens but the odds seem stacked given the huge social aspect of that whole game. psychopathy is a much better asset at that level.
I'm wondering if there isn't a link missing here.....this study shows a supposed link between higher IQ and increased risk of drug use. Other research suggests a link between those with high IQ and ADD/ADHD, though the last I heard it was more a matter of anyone can be ADD/ADHD, but if you have a high IQ, your risk of being ADD/ADHD is greatly increased. ADD/ADHD people often self medicate in one form or another, sometimes with drugs, sometimes with high risk behavior, or caffeine etc(anything to stimulate your brain).... so, isn't it conceivable that the connection found between high IQ and drug use is actually a reflection of the ADD/ADHD self-medicating phenomenon?
It's quite possible. I believe people with ADD/ADHD are also more likely to be addicted to drugs.
I think a better study would be on addiction and not just drug use. It may be that high IQ people experiment more but don't get addicted or are more careful about not getting addicted.
THis study sure raises interesting questions.
The problem is that while it is not too hard to get someone to admit drug use, I dont think most addicts really believe they are addicted, They will confess that they can quit anytime
Bob, I know a guy who is addicted to brake fluid. He says he can stop anytime.
It's not often that you see a scientific report whose authors will have the deaths of naive children on their conscience.
This is one such report.
This research could have been buried in a scientific journal.
Broadcasting it to the world on CNN was a big mistake.
Oh please.... Get off your self righteous horse and your concern BS... if you were SOOOO concerned about the kids then you would be more concerned about Alcohol, tobacco and legal prescription drugs, all of which in their own right kill more kids than all illegal drugs combined.... Deaths attributed to marijuana "0".... get a reality check and quit listening to your lying government....
they're not here to protect you, they're here to make big pharm richer... it will be legalized and big pharm will control it....
I am concerned about those things, smartypants, but we don't happen to be discussing those at the moment, do we.
We are discussing an article that sends exactly the wrong message to naive kids battling with self esteem issues, who need all the help they can get to stay off drugs.
And it's not just marijuana this article refers to. Tracey Helton Mitchell is described as a heroin addict.
But you didn't read much past the photo.
By the way, Jerry Sandusky's attorney should try this stellar defense when he's giving his summation to the jury.
"if you were SOOOO concerned about the kids then you would be more concerned about Alcohol, tobacco and legal prescription drugs..."
That should get him off.
"authors will have the deaths of naive children on their conscience." Chicken Little or Drama Queen? I bet this guy's on Xanax.
BC must be one of the authors.
If he is, not even Xanax will ease his conscience.
Buddy, when I was 13 I was tested to an I.Q. of 135 and given tests through the nose by the school system because my performance was so spotty (I was sick of them, and the 'concern' that this caused among my parents). When I finally broke free of the school system and my befuddled parents, I worked my way through several construction trades, eventually reached management status and got my degree on my own terms. I can safely say that I suffered more injury and mental pain during my childhood from overdramatic school staffers fishing for job security and from overzealous extended family members, each one with a noxious, unqualified 'opinion' than I ever could from the Saturday night doobie and beers I did in college. Even today I won't tell my boss when he's doing something wrong if it doesn't concern employee or customer safety, so I don't have to look at the angry, threatened expression on his face.
You need to reread the article Asklepios,
The heroin user was a childhood friend of the writer. She was never checked for IQ and was not in the study although the writer says she was smart. more than 70% of kids will grow up to use some drug (cafeen, pot, alcohol, nicotine) the vast majority have no ill effect. Some do become addicted but the truth may make some guy choose pot over a more unsafe choice
Most marmjuana related crimes are for posession not violent crime
Ask is afraid that if he reads the article, it will make him turn to drugs.
Maybe to deal with being different (as mentioned), or possibly just to fit in with a society that bans drug use, but glorifies it (see all those drug ads?) as well.
...seriously??
I'm thinking that using drugs is to stop or make sense of the noise that is generated in the brain by the countless ideas that rotate through the brain.
Rockwood,
You are correct. If I don't have a couple glasses of wine at night, I would toss and turn for hours with a thousand different thoughts going through my head....what I did today, how could I do it better, what do I need to do tomorrow, ideas for a better mousetrap, etc.
Where in the bible does it say one can not smoke weed? Why are you even bothering to bring this up when this really isn't related to your comment? Do you feel you must shove your beliefs down others throats at every turn in the road?
Doesn't it say "partake of every herb" somewhere in the Bible?
For Passover, we are supposed to partake in bitter herbs. Read into what you will.....
When my cousin & I were 15, we realized this......and par-took!! We REALLY got into it after that. Now it's a tradition in our famillies. Can't wait until next year!
Sorry Adam, I am going to be a real A.H. "Smoking weed" may fall under one or more of the Seven Deadly Sins. More explicitly, it could be considered sloth or perhaps gluttony. Smoking weed at least would lead to gluttony. Also there is an admonishment against partaking of strong drink in which mind altering drugs may loosely fall under that category. Please don't ask me to say what chapter or verse. I am too lazy to look it up right now. Now, don't be hating, I am just saying. 😛
Thanks, but I don't believe in ghosts. I believe in real-life, physical experiences.
courtney love has an extremely high IQ, actually.
So did Amy Winehouse and Timothy Leary.
Albert Einstein, on the other hand, didn't even drink.
Maybe she should show it instead of acting like a dumba$$
@Jeffo, being a dumb@$$ is perspective. That just shows your intelligence, stay sober.
Winston Churchill, on the other hand, drank like a fish, did mediocrely in school and rumoredly partook of hash in the Sudan, yet his political and strategic genius goes without question. Steven King, who we could concede is not entirely unsuccessful, is a reverent toker. Fear not, oh paranoid ones, as intelligence is unfortunately not contagious, neither is a buzz.
Leary was once arrested and given a personality test in prison. Since he was the author of the test, he answered it in a way that scored him as docile and subservient, was sent to a minimum-security place, and walked away the next day. He was definitely smarter than the prison authorities, whatever his personality problems may have been. But you can't separate him from Sixties politics; he was a man of his time.
The real link is people with higher IQs see the world for how it really is. This causes massive amounts of cognitive dissonance and too much reality so they seek the highs for an escape. To quiet the mind
Drinking beer made Bud wiser (Budweiser)!
Just keep telling that joke till some one gets it.
OHHHHHHH BUD-WISER HA HA HA HA
perhaps because intelligent people have a harder time making sense of this non-sense rules. You can not smoke a join at the end of the day, but you can drink a entire bottle of bourbon everyday day...like this is healthy for you....It's harder to control intelligent people..., for other you just give them the bible. haha
This is EXACTLY why me and my fat IQ smoke weed.... to tune morons out of our daily lives.
LOL. exactly!
best retort ever!
Helps tune out the noise while I rip through a big fat book. While we're on the subject, I want a big bag of whatever Brandon Sanderson has been smoking(if it's available in this universe).
Yet another misleading headline...when I first read this I wondered how the hell people got smarter by using drugs. So after I opened it I realized that smart kids are more likely to try pot. Drugs and intelligence ARE NOT linked here.
Potheads can stop rejoicing now, you're still retards.
oh yeah jeff? I smoke everyday, make $100k/year, drive an E55 AMG Benz and M5 BMW, and just bought my first home. And im 25 years old. am i retarded? hardly. Probably make more money and am more successful than your sorry a...ss. Youre probably one who drinks every weekend and considering booze is more harmful to yourself and society in general than pot, i think you are the one who is retarded.. Keep your stereotypes to yourself.
Sorry pal, believing something doesn't make it true. Just the fact that you are so insecure that you go to 'retards' to try to make your point shows that you don't have much on the ball. The study says what it says, and you are welcome to do your own 'scientific study' if you can figure out what that means. I'm thinking you are more likely to be standing in front of a bar at three a.m. yelling "woop woop" at the passing cars than you are to be conducting a survey, but hey, maybe you are smarter than you sound.
Do you think that calling people names because of your own willful ignorance about cannabis actually makes you look intelligent?
Now perhaps the extraordinary brilliance of Snoop Dogg will receive the recognition it deserves.
I didn't think of that! He's such a genius...
Snoop Dogg is a multimillionaire who owns several companies, acts in movies and tv, and has girls shaking their moneymakers at him all night long. What else would you recommend? Nobel Prize is out of the question, and he's too rich for a MacArthur Genius Grant.
you need to seperate smart from rich, They are not the same thing, what do I kow you maybe rich.
That's not how you go about converting anyone. You're just going to isolate Christians even more by bring this up when it's not on topic.
You know nothing of me and my old man. We live at the Y in Queens.
A lot of book smart people are the really stupid when it comes to street smarts. This study just proves that. A lot of really smart people become bored with school and can become problem students looking for an escape.
Jesus, you're full of it.
Why was Jesus full of it, and what?
This article leaves many unanswered questions. I would believe that defining the lower bound to high IQ as 107 would include just slightly less than half of the total population. I am sure that you will find a significant number of drug users in such a large group. Are the results different for those of less than high IQ (less than 107)? What are the statistics for those of really high IQ, say 140 and above in the upper 2%? Also, is there a difference by emotional IQ as compared to information retension IQ (which IQ tests measure).
And you measure emotional IQ how?
Retension IQ? I think you mean "retention". Also, "Emotional IQ" wasa concept invented in the 90's to let the bottom spectrum kids have something to feel good about. "Little Joey didn't do well on the IQ test, but he has a very high emotional IQ!"
As with many others who measure 150+, I find emotion pretty overrated. Have an issue? Here's a tissue. Caveman! Mine! Argh!
You need to accept this study for what it is and not try to make it more. Kids with higher IQs are more prone to trying drugs legal and otherwise. Not why do they or how do they. they just do
People with high IQs don't "buy into" evolution. People with high IQs discovered evolution, researched evolution and see that evolution is happening. It matters not where we come from we are the same amazing creatures either way. A rose by any other name, right? What people with high IQs don't buy into is religion. Your Christianity is simply a stopping point along the road to spiritual enlightenment. It's one explanation of the divine we all feel on one level or another. If you chose to view that narrowly and in the terms of a human child (like a person of average intellect) then you probably chose to be a Muslim or Christian or Jew or Pagan or whatever. These things make little sense to someone of high intellect and a willingness to be curious and patient. Those types of people see that those types of religions are not healthy and only limit your vision of what the divine really is. Thanks for playing 🙂
So true.
Jesus is the drug of choice for the simple minded.
Why the hate dude?
so true
Religion is the opiate of the masses. – Marx
UH..can anyone tell me how or why a discussion regarding religion came from an high iq being related to drug abuse? There is definitely and IQ gap somewhere here?
Because religion always comes up somehow. Or it's always Obama's fault. Or it's about bowel movements – but usually in the entertainment section.
Is still just a rose!
Speak for yourself Iconoclast. As a high IQ person, I've questioned creationism, but I also question the holes in the evolutionary story we've been sold. I question the evolutionary bursts we see in the fossil record. I question the vast array of gross inconsistencies relating to multiple simultaneous mutations when compared to the known statistical norm or even known survivability rates. I question the global distribution of many similarly traited animals when applied to historical geological record. There is plenty to question about evolution to if you were to look outside your cozy little "there is no God" box you've put yourself in.
A "high IQ person"? intelligently put... sense the sarcasm?
Having a high IQ does not mean you are not religious. I would think the opposite. Maybe people who think they are inteligent will say evolution is the only way. The truly inteligent will realize that not even science has all the answers and that the universe is more powerful then we can even comprehend. Religion and evolution can exist hand in hand, it just takes someone with the right inteligence to realize it.
Right. I can look at the fingers on my feet and see evolution; what I can't do is look at a lamprey chewing on a live fish and think "God made that for me to see! Oh, the beauty." If God made the world, then He obviously made some huge mistakes.
Amen!! 😉 lol One of the most thought out comments on 'religion' I've ever read. More people need to read that in this world. Thanks for posting.
Couldn't agree more Iconoclast!
When one really studies the bible, with enough intelligence to comprehend what is written, God isn't really a very nice guy. He murders entire populations to make a point, dislocates entire races because they didn't live up to his expectations and destroyed the entire human and animal population on earth (save a handful), just to "reset" the planet. The bible is full of contradictions, such as: if animals and children are pure and clean before God, why did they die along with their offending parents? God punishes entire generations for the sins of their predecessors. God puts plagues and all manner of horrific diseases on people just to test their faith in his mercy...God isn't very merciful when you look at the whole picture... but still we are expected to believe he is merciful and loves us as his own-even though he sacrificed His Son to a horrible, painful death.
Right on, Daddio!
Religion is the opiate of the masses. You are one stoned toadie!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus on the cross is the biggest fairy tale in history.
um.. not really. the biggest gripe is whether he was ths son og god or just a maniac. most historians agree he existed and was indeed hung on the cross. you are aware they used to hang people on crosses right?
Thanks.
As a smart person in high school, I can see why this would make sense. It feels good to rebel when we're expected to be perfect all of the time.
Funny you mention it because "Jesus" is shown to have similar effects on the brain as a drug or mental disorder. Plus the cool thing about Jesus is you can use him to help gain the confidence of young children, or get idiots to vote for you!
Another meaningless "study" that proves nothing.
Just the facts, ma'am. That's all it is. Facts aren't always of any immediate use.
I was pegged at a IQ of 149 and 159 repectively and am a member of Mensa
And yet, still manages to create irrelevant posts.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I find it fascinating that so many people with 140+ IQs have chosen to congregate on a CNN-blog comment section to voice their opinions (and to cite their IQs, of course).
They aren't citing their IQ's to impress anyone. People with that kind of intelligence realize that impressing people is pointless. They're citing their IQ's as elements of the points they're making. Mmmkay?
IQ 149, don't drink, never used drugs. I think they should be legalized, though. Waste of money to prosecute (especially for marijuana which can be grown in a backyard).
In my opinion, people with a higher IQ tend to perceive the problems associated with life on a much more deeper level than people with an average IQ. Thus drug use presents an avenue to "escape" from the numerous perceived problems of life. Also, high IQ people tend to become bored more easily unless presented with new and challenging opportunities. Incidentally, I have a high IQ and have never used drugs in my life. I credit having god in my life. I challenge anybody to really really really look at the complexity and synchronicity of life and the universe in general and conclude there is no god. So, obviously not everyone with a high IQ uses drugs nor embraces evolution. A high IQ is just associated with an increased incidence of drug use.
High IQ and having God in your life? I do agree with some of the things you said, but if you were honestly that intelligent you could see that religion is a construct of society intended as another avenue for the sheep to follow. There is a reason every major civilization has CREATED their OWN RELIGION. There's a reason there are plenty of different God's, because they are all created by man.
you dont need to use illegal drugs, you have GOD the holy drug
Are you jealous, Hey? People with high IQs have a dog in this race, even though it's anecdote.
A Snoop Dogg, if you will.
It appears IQ testing needs to be re-evaluated. Perhaps an abundance of 19th century thinking in a 21st century world!
I once knew a genius (academic) that baffled me. He would take drugs galore. People forget that being a genius doesn't
mean they' re exempt from stress, anxiety, depression, etc. Sometimes,they set their self-induced stress high to perform,
until ... system failure. I'm too dumb to worry about 1/10 of the details the smart cats do. I'm lucky that way.
Proof once again that one can support any predetermined conclusion in any study because the studier's own biases determine which factors to hold important and which to ignore. Likely a study conducted by "proud" drug users (what has the world come to?). I have to say though that the stoners that suddenly flood the comments with their confessions of reluctant genius are the entertainment of the day. I guess now that they've all been chased out of our City parks by police in the last week they need something to prop their fragile egos.
You're right Dave. Smart people ignore studies and dissmiss them if they dont agree with the findings.....hahahah @ your logic.
This was the most maliciously unhelpful report I have seen broadcast to the general public since "Murderers make better lovers, new studies show."
For all the drug addled readers out there, I made up that latter report for satiric purposes.