October 27th, 2011
04:57 PM ET

Measles cases at 15 year high in U.S.

There have been 220 cases of measles so far this year in the United States, more than triple the usual 60 to 70 cases per year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Europe had more than 26,000 cases reported from January through July of this year, with nine deaths, according to the World Health Organization. So far, no deaths have been reported in the United States this year.

The CDC found of the 220 reported U.S. cases 87% of the people infected didn't get the vaccine, while the other 13% were too young to get it. Most of these cases were people who traveled overseas to Western Europe, Africa or Asia.  Even though 91.5% of the U.S. population is immunized, those who are not, are putting themselves and others at risk,  says Patsy Stinchfield Director of the Infection Disease Department at Children's Hospital and Clinics of Minnesota.

Two-doses of the measles vaccine is estimated to be 98-99% effective at preventing the disease and provide lifelong immunity. For those who are unvaccinated and exposed to measles, they can be expected to get measles at a rate on the order of 90% or higher, according to the CDC.

Some adults are not vaccinated by choice or because they don't realize they haven't been vaccinated. When it comes to teens and children, 72% aren't immunized because of their parents religious beliefs or personal reasons, according to the CDC.

What parents don't realize is that "measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children," says Stinchfield and she adds that measles can be misinterpreted as  simply a bad case of the flu. Children can suffer the consequences of severe measles infection for years before they die from the disease. Brain inflammation and neurological problems are far more likely if a child gets measles disease. Encephalitis or  inflammation of the  brain can lead to permanent neurological problems.

To vaccinate against measles is far safer than declining or delaying MMR vaccine, says Stinchfield . One in 1,000 cases of measles disease causes encephalitis in children and one in one million doses of measles, mumps rubella vaccine causes brain inflammation, according to the CDC.

Staying current with vaccines is the first line of defense against measles.  The recommended age for the first dose of the measles vaccine is around 12 months and the second dose is recommended between the ages of 4 and 6, according to the CDC.

The CDC recommends that if babies between 6 and 12 months of age are traveling to areas of the world with known measles outbreaks, they should go ahead and get the first dose of the vaccine about a month before travel is set to begin.  This will allow the baby's body enough time to build up protective antibodies.  The CDC says if an infant gets the measles vaccine before the recommended age of 1, they will still need 2 more doses of the vaccine.

For those who can't remember if and when they were vaccinated it's important to talk with a doctor, especially before traveling internationally.

Initial symptoms of measles often appear like any other childhood illness, for example; fever, runny nose, bloodshot eyes, and tiny white spots on the inside of the mouth. Then the rash typically associated with measles develops – usually starting on the face and neck and then spreads downward to the rest of the body. Measles spreads very easily. "It's contagious the 4 days leading up to the rash, the day the rash appears and 4 days afterwards," says Stinchfield.  Contact a doctor as soon as symptoms appear.

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  1. Kimie

    I'm 22yrs old and I got the measles earlier this year. It's horrible, I suffered for two weeks with a steady 103. fever. I was severely dehydrated and delusional before it was over. I can't imagine a child getting this.

    October 28, 2011 at 08:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Cleopatra1981

      I'm sorry you had a hard time with your illness, but if you knew anything about childhood diseases, CHILDREN HAVE LESS SEVERE CASES OF THESE ILLNESSES. That's why years ago (before the vaccine) kids would get the disease and gain life-long immunity. Let me ask you, did you get the MMR when you were younger? If you did, then the vaccine induced "life-long immunity" the article mentions DOES NOT EXIST – VACCINES FAIL.

      October 28, 2011 at 10:21 | Report abuse |
    • JeramieH

      Yeah, smallpox and polio were great for everyone that got it.

      October 28, 2011 at 10:36 | Report abuse |
    • Allie

      If that is the case, and it is not, then children would not die from the diseases that are vaccinated against. Get your facts straight.

      Children have every bit as severe cases of all illnesses that we see in adults.

      October 28, 2011 at 12:05 | Report abuse |
    • Lily

      Read it carefully. It says the vaccine is 98-99% effective, it means that 98-99% of the people who get vaccinated with it ARE immune for a lifetime. This is great for a protective vaccine. The remaining 1-2% are relying on herd immunity, where most people are immune and the disease is mostly gone. When you choose to not vaccinate yourself, not only are you harming yourself, you're also harming the 1-2% who got vaccinated but didn't get the protection for whatever reason. Get your kids vaccinated, people.

      October 28, 2011 at 12:06 | Report abuse |
    • IgM

      @cleopatra You're probably thinking of chicken pox, that was never done with measles... And children do not have less severe cases, if anything, it's worse for them.

      October 28, 2011 at 12:15 | Report abuse |
    • Elizabeth

      (For some reason, my post was lost.) My mother's sister died of measles and encephalitis when she was 3 years old. It is much worse in young children, NOT less severe. It is premeditated murder to not vaccinate; maybe your child will survive, but somebody else's child could die. What does our State Department or the International Court at the Hague say about these cases of premeditated murder in Europe?

      October 28, 2011 at 12:47 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      Cleopatra, children also developed complications that lead to *death* from measles. I remember having German measles and spending two long boring weeks in a dark room alone. I have lifelong vision damage in spite of these precautions.

      Exposure to German measles by pregnant women causes mental retardation, deafness and blindness in their fetuses.

      Still think it's not a big deal?

      October 28, 2011 at 17:08 | Report abuse |
    • c s

      Kimie – thank you for posting about your experience. Since the use of vaccines, fewer and fewer people have actually seen or know people who have had the diseases like measles. Because vaccines are so effective, too many people are not having them because they beleive that the vaccines are worse then the disease. I personally know people who have had polio as a child and the lifelong affect upon them. Vaccines are the greatest triumph over diseases that modern medicine has. Without them many millions of people alive today would be dead.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:34 | Report abuse |
    • toddflanders

      Hey Cleopatra...you're as clueless as you are unoriginal. Do us all a favor and keep your trap shut.

      October 28, 2011 at 18:38 | Report abuse |
    • Tapati


      Have you ever walked through a cemetery? One with plenty of older headstones, from the pre-vaccine era? Have you seen the little graves next to the parents, the ones with dates very close together? Compare the sheer numbers of those to modern graves. Lots more children were dying, and many of them died from illnesses we vaccinate against. Measles is deadly to children. It was one of the feared diseases. It's not like chicken pox. Measles, polio, whooping cough, smallpox, they killed and disabled children and that's why doctors worked hard to eradicate them. In areas of the world where fewer people receive vaccines, they still kill a lot of people. And they are making a comeback because an increasingly large number of citizens read junk science accounts and worry about things like micrograms of substances that are in our environment already or reactions that are statistically less likely than the disease, or the discredited theory about vaccines and autism.

      I guess we have to learn the lesson of how deadly these diseases are all over again. Maybe when, once again, everyone knows a family who lost one or more children to these diseases we'll fear them enough to vaccinate every child.

      October 30, 2011 at 00:31 | Report abuse |
    • German Measles Vs. Measles

      One vacinne – MMR – vaccinates against Measles, Mumps, & Rubella. Rubella is the German Measles. German Measles are different than regular Measles. I have had the German Measles. I was 19, and when the doctor looked at me, he said "You have Baby Measles!" That doctor visit was a long one, not because it took him any time to diagnose me, but because I had to wait for every doctor and nurse in the practice to meet me, examine my spots, and ask me questions about how I felt. I was vaccinated as a child, and still got the German Measles. I felt pretty lousy for a few days with a high fever, aches, and an itchy rash. I had to be quarantined. I did not have any serious complications. I am happy I received my MMR shot, because although I ended up getting one of those diseases, I have not had the other two. Imagine how much worse things would have been had I had the Measles instead of Rubella?

      October 30, 2011 at 11:47 | Report abuse |
  2. Dreamer96

    I had measles as a kid, just another childhood thing, when I was growing up, if a kid got something like that the mothers would bring their kids over, just to let their kids catch it and it over with...sorry you thought it was big deal, but if you got sick at 22 years old that is why, but think of this a kid can have the same reaction you had from getting the vacine too...It's not as bad to get measles when younger,you should have gotten sick as a kid,

    Parents are afraid of the MMR vacine, they should be afraid of the Hepitis B and Whooping cough vancies more, since they still contain mercury....Big news awhile back in Iowa a breakout and it passed, many families in Iowa don't believe their own senator on the safety of vacines, and grandparents think getting the childhood illness is less damaging than the vacine, and they don't trust their own senator who is on the Congressal board over seeing Health in America...

    They say there is no link between autism and vacines but then what is happening in California?
    According to California records, autism has increased 1000% in the past 20 years! Autism used to account for 3% of the caseload of the California Department of Economic Security. As of 2004, it accounts for at least 34% of the caseload and costs taxpayers about $2 million per child. Lifetime care costs are easily five times higher.

    October 28, 2011 at 08:37 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Megan

      There is absolutly no link between vacines and autism. Rises in diagnosis over the past 20 years have more to do with the fact that they have given a name to things that have existed all along. 20 years a go a child with autism would either just be considered to have behavior problems, to be slow, or they may have been diagnosed with something else.. Not to mention that the criteria for autism changes, causing more children to receive this diagnosis. Over diagnosis is also a huge problem with autism. Many teachers and parents see odd behavior and an introverted personality and rush to put a label on a child that may be just a bit different. Sometimes autism is used as a catch all when a label cannot be found. Not to say that this happens with all cases. In any case, all research suggesting that autism is caused by autism. Causation and correlation are not the same thing.

      October 28, 2011 at 09:24 | Report abuse |
    • Lydia

      I completely agree with everything megan said. And with nothing Dreamer96 said.

      October 28, 2011 at 09:30 | Report abuse |
    • bitnar

      I think you are confusing measles with chicken pox.

      October 28, 2011 at 09:46 | Report abuse |
    • iminim

      I'm glad your experience with measles was easier than most people's, but it is important not to mislead others into assuming measles is "just another childhood thing". For many people it is not. It is a disease than can cause permanent brain injury and even death.

      Vaccines are a victim of their own success. Most people in the US have never known anyone who had measles thanks to vaccines. As a result, we don't recognize the very real risks of the disease. Ever wonder why certain infectious diseases were targeted with vaccine research in the first place? It was because they were diseases that caused significant illness and potential permanent injury or death to large groups of people. These diseases (with the exception of small pox) are not gone. They are just rare in developed countries where vaccination keeps them contained. Each time a person goes unvaccinated the risk of them returning becomes a little bit higher.

      Megan, thanks for the response about the increase in autism diagnoses in the last 20yrs.

      October 28, 2011 at 09:50 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96

      CDC changed the recomemded time for MMR from 18 months to just 12 months, why?

      Why has Pertussis Vaccines,(DTP and DtaP) always been BANNED by the manufactures for anyone over the age of 6, since the beginning,(due to brain damage and law suits). This has always been known by the manufacturer, and this has always been their stand. The idea to give this vacine to adults is NOT in agreement with the manufacturer's warning in the PDR going back a half a century.

      For ages 11 to 64 tdap vaccine is used and Why?

      Maybe because the DTP and DtaP contain more toxins and are dangerous to ages above 7...The infants and child formula ACTUALLY containes MORE toxins than Adults vaccine?

      October 28, 2011 at 10:42 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96

      For the record all my kids have all their vaccnations for public school, but one has Asperger Syndrome, and we did wait on some vaccines till our other children were older, but within time limits...It is very hard for a parent of a child with autism to continue giving vaccines to their other children, we were around and saw the effects frist hand, if you had been through that, I wonder what you would think...

      I also worked at a VA regional office when they were arguing over the effects of agent orange and saw some vets who were suffering. They had so many scientific studies while the vets slowly died off and suffered. So I have seen this argument before. I saw it then again with the Gulf War Syndrome, more vets suffered and died, while the scientific studies dragged on. It was quite clear to many who saw these vets that something was terribly wrong.

      Just as the 911 First Respnders are going through it now with coverage for cancer...fighting the scientific studies, while they suffer and die in pain...

      October 28, 2011 at 11:04 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96

      This will be my last post here, I know many think I'm nuts.

      I thought of saying earlier, a friend of mine just a few years after graduation from medical school was doing research on some of the first cases of AIDS in the 1980's, said that when they did autopsies on patients who died of AIDS, (these patients had their immune systems stop working), they would cut open the skull and find the brain cavity packed full of Cryptoccoccal Menigitis a yeast-like fungus infection ..Normally our bodies immune system kill it off, but in these AIDS patients, that no longer was happening.

      So what if we are giving a new version of a yeast to our kids that our kids can not fight off, some vaccines are grow in yeast cells and are suppose to be purified. Yeast infections are often hard to cure.

      Are we weaking our childrens immune system so they have trouble fighting other infections.

      It seems that the sicentific studies always need a bunch of dead bodies to study and examine before they find what they are looking for....

      October 28, 2011 at 11:29 | Report abuse |
    • Elizabeth

      My grandmother's doctor told her to "expose" her younger child to the measles, and the child died. The thinking at that time was not to get over it and be immune, but there actually was a movement to "purify" the American genetics of "weak" individuals who might die of diseases! If you think that sounds Nazi, well, it was. My grandmother kept a picture of her baby on her wall her entire life, and my grandmother died when she was 92. That baby was always missed, always remembered. It is MURDER to expose children to this disease!!!

      October 28, 2011 at 12:52 | Report abuse |
    • Kristen

      God Dreamer96 – your half-baked conspiracy theories and total lack of scientific data and/or any sembalance of rational thought and intelligence are the reasons why these illnesses are running rampant again in many communities. Your kind of ignorance is putting others at risk...and it infuriates me. Try being a sentient being for a day, huh? And then you can come back here and post with the people who have brains...

      October 28, 2011 at 14:42 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96


      All my kids are vaccinated....what does that tell you...others are not at risk from my kids..they ARE vaccinated...
      Dec. 13th 2007
      Merck recalls 1.2 million vaccines, after equipment that was used to make those vaccines was found to be containinated by
      Bactrium called Bacillus Cereus

      October 28, 2011 at 15:11 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      My son is Autistic. Autism is being linked to pesticide residue and other chemical residue in our food supplies. One in 110 babies is now being born with some form of Autism.

      The vaccine-Autism myth has been completely debunked.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:12 | Report abuse |
    • toddflanders

      Hey dreamer....time to WAKE UP and get educated about science and immunology. Please stop lowering the collective IQ by posting your ridiculous assertions.

      October 28, 2011 at 18:40 | Report abuse |
    • Teri

      I am the mother of a child with Autism and I don't believe that vaccines are the culprit. We are not the only industrialized nation that vaccinates, yet our Autism rates are skyrocketing and much higher than many countries. We have to look at how we eat, environmental pollutants, etc. Measles can be a death sentence, Autism is not.

      October 28, 2011 at 22:54 | Report abuse |
    • Kris

      They have also removed thiomerasol from vaccines in CA and the autism rate is still going up.

      October 29, 2011 at 00:39 | Report abuse |
    • what the ham?

      You are obviously confusing chickenpox with measles.

      Unbelievable ignorance out there.

      I just feel really bad for the tiny percentage that have had the vaccine and it failed....and now they are at personal risk through no fault of their own because a bunch of ignorant anti-science people think its better to avoid the measles vaccine altogether.

      Its bad enough the anit-vaccine crowd gets away with what they do because the vast majority of us do the responsible thing and get vaccinated (thus reducing their own risks while riding on the backs of others).

      Can we put those folks without vaccines on an island together?

      October 29, 2011 at 13:56 | Report abuse |
    • Lesley

      Dreamer, I also grew up in the 50's and all the parents I knew did exactly what you described. I was exposed to pretty much everything and never had any problems.

      October 29, 2011 at 23:24 | Report abuse |
    • Tapati

      Mercury in MICROgrams, far less than what you get exposed to in the environment.

      The chance of dying of measles is far greater than the chance of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine (as mentioned in the article above).

      http://antiantivax.flurf.net/ for the real scoop on vaccines in counter point to anti-vaccine propaganda.

      @tmr3608 Europe had less cases of the measles and more deaths as you can see in the article. It's just our LUCK that we had no deaths so far. 1-1000 risk doesn't mean that if you have less than 1000 cases no one will die. That 1 in 1000 could be the first child or the 40th child or anyone along the way to 1000. Plus 1-1000 is an averaged figure so sometimes there may be more per 1000, sometimes less. I'll take the 1-1 million odds myself.

      As I told cleopatra1981, go take a walk in a cemetery with graves from before the vaccines were created. Look at how many children you see. No it wasn't lack of sanitation. It was most often these diseases. There was a good reason researchers worked really hard to create them. Medical research tends to focus on the big things that kill lots of people before they tackle things that hardly affect anyone. That's why vaccines for these diseases were high on their priority list.

      Current conditions are changing precisely because people are choosing not to vaccinate now. The more people who make this choice, tmr3608, the more disease we will see and more children will get these diseases once again. I hope your risk assessment keeps up with the times.

      October 30, 2011 at 01:01 | Report abuse |
  3. Megan

    Oops, I made a typo.
    *Research suggesting a link between autism and vaccines has been disproved.

    October 28, 2011 at 09:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Elizabeth

      Thank you. This irresponsible researcher is a murderer, a serial killer, who should spend his entire life behind bars. Or better yet, they should do medical experiments on him for the rest of his life.

      October 28, 2011 at 12:55 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Elizabeth – I fully agree. I'd only add that Jenny McCarthy and every talk show host who let her rant away unchallenged ought to join him.

      October 30, 2011 at 13:45 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      Dr Andrew Wakefield, the British physician responsible for the flawed 'research' creating a link between vaccines and Autism, was stripped of his medical license. There's no intent to prosecute him further for his criminal actions in the UK. Nevertheless, he is morally responsible for the deaths of many children whether he will be held responsible under the law or not.

      What he did was deplorable, there's no doubt. It's reprehensible and he did it for personal gain. It's a shame parents still believe his lies.

      October 30, 2011 at 16:31 | Report abuse |
  4. Daniel

    Dreamer96, nice try, but I think you are referring to chickenpox, not measles. No one in their right mind would intentionally expose their kids to this very dangerous, potentially fatal disease.

    October 28, 2011 at 09:33 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pam

      Dreamer96, has no idea what he talking about at all.

      October 28, 2011 at 10:52 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96

      Daniel, bitnar, Pam, and Elizabeth

      I was born in the 1950' before the first measles vaccines came out in 1963...I had both the German measles, or 3 day measles, and the Chickenpoxs....The first mumps vaccine in 1967, the first Rebella vaccine in 1969, the first MMR vaccine came out even later still in 1971. The first MMRV which include Chickenpox vaccine and the MMR, came out in 2005...

      Before the vaccine for these childhood illnesses even existed that was what people did to get their kids the immunity and do it as kids when it was quicker to get over....

      Elizabeth many parents of children with sereve autism feel like their child was murdered too, they just want answers, and many noticed a real change in their children right after getting vaccines, why are so many of you saying that the vaccines could not be the cause, when it could have be a contaminated vaccine or something about the vaccines that caused the sudden change in the child, that is not genetics..mercury posioning causes this kind of effect, so that is what they were concerned about first, so do toxins, and other things that could have gotten into the vaccines...even Merck had to recall 1.2 million vaccines on Dec. 13th 2007 some were for children, because of contaminated equipment, how many days did this go undetected, could it have happened before too..

      October 28, 2011 at 17:40 | Report abuse |
    • YNot

      Correlation is not causation. If it were, I could conclude that: I ate potatoes last night. I came down with a sore throat just 3 hours later. It MUST have been the potatoes.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:51 | Report abuse |
    • Teri

      Whoa! Dreamer96, "many parents of children with severe autism feel like their child was murdered too" That was pretty offensive! I am blessed with my sweet Autistic son, and to compare his Autism with being murdered! I'm not sure if you have a child with Autism or you are just spouting off what you think we might feel like. Either way I think you are misguided and your research is one sided.

      October 28, 2011 at 23:03 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Dreamer – you are mistaken. No parent ever deliberately exposed their children to measles. It was well known how potentially deadly it was. Deliberate chickenpox exposure did happen occasionally – the link to shingles wasn't known at the time – but this never, ever happened with measles. You are writing a false history here.

      October 30, 2011 at 13:48 | Report abuse |
  5. jason

    this will continue to happen if the unfounded war against vaccines also continues. if you don't want to ge these horrible illnesses, it is very simple. get vaccinated and get your kids vaccinated.

    October 28, 2011 at 09:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Cleopatra1981

      I would if vaccines were 100% safe and 100% effective, but when the doctors and Big Pharma are protected against any responsibility of an adverse reaction / death from a vaccines...then no thanks.

      October 28, 2011 at 10:27 | Report abuse |
    • JeramieH

      Cleo, how about if every child around you was dying of smallpox, or being permanently disabled by polio?

      October 28, 2011 at 10:38 | Report abuse |
    • dom625

      Cleopatra: Nothing in life is 100% certain, save for death. Seat belts and air bags are not guaranteed to save a life, but we use them anyway because they are far more likely to save us than not. Vaccines are the same way. They may not come with a concrete guarantee, but they are far more likely to help than harm.

      October 28, 2011 at 11:39 | Report abuse |
    • Elizabeth

      Autism? What do you think the effects of the measles followed by encephalitis causes, hairballs? Vaccinations cause people to be safe from diseases. Diseases cause terrible complications that can lead to death, dementia, autism, etc. And "just chicken pox" is no joke either: shingles (the chicken pox virus reappearing later in life), if it happens in the nerves of the face (the trigeminal nerve) can lead to meningitis. This disease are NO JOKE. I would not wish the pain of shingles on my worst enemy. Yes, I have had shingles, and continuing neuralgia (sharp nerve pain) in my face, jaw, scalp, ever since. Anybody over 50 can get a vaccine to prevent Shingles; I really recommend it.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:02 | Report abuse |
    • Carnivore

      Cleopatra, do you let your kids ride in the car when you're driving? What do you think the risk is in doing so?

      Really, this is just stupid.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:05 | Report abuse |
  6. Cleopatra1981

    It's funny how this article is focused more on the vaccine than the "outbreak."

    I'd like to see stats of how many of the infected people had the vaccine.

    October 28, 2011 at 10:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TheTsunami

      It says right in the article:

      "The CDC found of the 220 reported U.S. cases 87% of the people infected didn't get the vaccine, while the other 13% were too young to get it."

      October 28, 2011 at 10:43 | Report abuse |
    • Elizabeth

      And Tsunami can add: 87 percent plus 13 percent (too young) equals 100 percent: These people ALL were not vaccinated.

      October 28, 2011 at 12:58 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      According to the article, precisely 0% of those vaccinated got sick. Every single case developed in a person who had NOT been vaccinated.

      October 30, 2011 at 13:50 | Report abuse |
  7. Pam

    Anti vaccine parents: vaccines prevent infectious disease. If you don't know what infectious diseases are they are diseases that infect others and cause crippling disease and or death. Please stop being so stupid. Get out more. Read more. Travel overseas. Get expososed to knowledge. If you keep being ridiculous laws will be changed to deal with these new outbreaks and then you'll be really mad. By refusing vaccines and being responsible for disease outbreaks you're doing a disservice to your children and your communities.

    October 28, 2011 at 10:46 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Elizabeth

      If the lack of vaccinations in your families lead to an outbreak of a terrible disease where, say only 9 people die, then you are a serial killer who has killed 9 people, and you should suffer the consequences, because it was premeditated murder.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:06 | Report abuse |
  8. Deanna

    There is a genetic component to autism and autism-spectrum disorders and study after study has supported this. Personally I believe it's a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Instead of focusing on vaccines, why not focus on something very real – the constant barrage of toxins that our children are exposed to on a daily basis? Avoiding vaccines isn't the answer.

    October 28, 2011 at 11:14 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Elizabeth

      Thank you. Toxins, food additives, corn syrup or even too much sugar, genetically engineered wheat and corn, too much TV which interferes with brain waves, are all more likely culprits leading to autism than vaccinations.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:08 | Report abuse |
    • Whatnow

      I agree. Genetics could be the most important factor, but environment plays a big role in most disease. For some reason, we tend to want to blame only one thing (like a vaccine, eating meat, wheat, not enough fiber, etc.) usually it is not that simple. Get the vaccine, it is the safer bet.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:26 | Report abuse |
    • Courtney

      I often want to ask parents who are against vaccination a serious and calous sounding question, especially parents who stop vaccinating because of one of their own children's diagnosis:

      Would you rather your child were dead or autistic?

      October 28, 2011 at 15:10 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      I considered that, and what I came up with was this: better alive and Autistic than dead of a preventable childhood disease or worse, neurologically damaged.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:27 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      Or vaccines could be part of the toxins that trigger it. That or the huge immune reaciton.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:17 | Report abuse |
    • d

      What toxins are contained in a vaccine in sufficient concentrations to cause such a reaction?

      October 29, 2011 at 18:38 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      It's entirely likely that one of the environmental factors is silicon implants, given Jenny McCarthy's history. Of course, that would also implicate any number of less than legal drugs, alcohol abuse and exposure to a variety of interesting diseases specializing in a few specific body parts.

      October 30, 2011 at 13:52 | Report abuse |
  9. bianca

    For the doubters that are still hung up on Thimerosal and its possible link to autism spectrum disorders :
    Thimerosal has been taken out of vaccines in 2001, and MMR vaccine has never contained it in the first place. However , the incidence of ASD has not gone down since

    October 28, 2011 at 11:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Cleopatra1981

      Thimerosal is not the only neurotoxin that parents are concerned about, it's the aluminum, formaldehyde, etc. plus antibiotics, human/animal tissue.

      October 28, 2011 at 12:52 | Report abuse |
    • Elizabeth

      Those toxins are in the environment much more than in vaccines. Stop using antiperspirant that has aluminum in it; stop using insulation on your house or in your bedding that gives off formaldehyde gas, do not eat sources of mercury, filter your water, do not eat meat that was fed with antibiotics; all of these are far greater amounts than found in any vaccination. You are simply making an excuse to murder somebody else's children if you do not vaccinate your own children. I take this personally, because it happened in my family.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:12 | Report abuse |
    • Cleopatra1981


      You sound silly referring to parents as murderers, just silly. Yes, we are exposed to mercury in food, but before the mercury in food gets into our bloodstream, it has to go through our digestive system where it's mostly taken care of. Mercury and other junk in vaccines gets injected straight into the bloodstream, that's a little different.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:17 | Report abuse |
    • Elizabeth

      Vaccines are in the muscles, and the kidneys clean most of that out. The mercury that gets into your system cannot be cleaned out by the liver; if it could it wouldn't be a problem. No it is not silly to suggest that IF YOU KILL SOMEBODY IT IS MURDER. I fail to see how killing somebody is SILLY. But typically, murderers do not think that what they do is wrong; that is called being a sociopath.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:26 | Report abuse |
    • Whatnow

      Cleopatra1981..Sorry, but blood is also filtered in the kidneys. This is why we draw blood to run tests for illnesses. This is exactly what is scary about these types of decisions. People should not base such important decisions on misinformation. Sometimes it is easier to make excuses than take responsibilty and trust a trained physician.

      October 28, 2011 at 13:33 | Report abuse |
    • Dana

      Cleopatra, don't tell me about the tiny amount that gets straight to blood system and compare it to YEARS of mercury and other chemicals exposure. Do you see the difference? Probably not. I agree with Elizabeth, parents who do not immunize their kids are a threat to our societies, the more of them the things will get worse. Especially when I see it everyday how parents do not care about teaching their kids to wash hands, cough in tissues and stay home when sick :\

      October 28, 2011 at 13:34 | Report abuse |
    • bianca

      Cleopatra, are you aware that aluminum is present in breast milk and baby formula in the same amount as in vaccines . are you aware that formaldehyde is a naturally occurring and detectable compound in a human body in the amount greater than found vaccines ? Also , are you saying that if your newborn is sick and requires antibiotics, you wont give it to him or her ? i agree with Elizabeth's comment. if my child contacts measles before it is old enough to be immunized because of the decision you made not to immunize yours , its definitely problem

      October 28, 2011 at 13:50 | Report abuse |
    • bianca

      And another thing, why do people listen to that brain-dead Jenny McCarthy that goes around saying that mercury in vaccines caused autism in her son rather than the medical community ? that woman caused more harm than anyone realizes

      October 28, 2011 at 13:53 | Report abuse |
    • toddflanders

      Cleopatra.....you really can't be as stupid as your posts lead us to believe. Antibiotics are neurotoxic??? Really??? YOu just can't be that stupid. What a sad indictment of our public school system.

      October 28, 2011 at 18:44 | Report abuse |
    • Tapati


      "Some people say that you get much less mercury when you eat it than when you inject it. Looking at the most common form of ingested mercury (methylmercury), which is found in varying amounts in nearly all seafood, we will see that there is actually greater exposure from eating 6 oz. of white tuna, for example, than receiving one flu shot, the only recommended vaccine that has greater than trace amounts, though thimerosal-free versions are available. According to the DHHS Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, roughly 95% of ingested methylmercury is absorbed via the gastrointestinal tract (stomach and intestines), from whence it can then spread to other body organs. White albacore tuna contains about .407 ppm (mcg/g) methylmercury. A 6 oz. (170 g) can of white tuna would then contain on average about 69.19 mcg of mercury (170 g * .407 mcg/g = 69.19 mcg). Eating the full 6 oz. can, then, would mean that you are absorbing 65.73 mcg of methylmercury. That's over two and a half times the amount of mecury from a thimerosal-containing flu vaccine (which tops out at 25 mcg/dose). And remember, the methylmercury from the tuna sticks around much longer than the ethylmercury from the vaccine." http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

      also, same site:

      "Some anti-vaxers claim there is antifreeze in vaccines. This is false. Antifreeze is ethylene glycol. Vaccines use polyethylene glycol. These are different substances, the latter of which is not toxic. More info can be found at Inside Vaccines.
      Vaccines contain formaldehyde. However, the chemical structure of the formaldehyde in vaccines is the same as that produced by our own bodies. It is used during the manufacturing process, but is diluted to remove it from the finished product, leaving only small or trace amounts. The total amount of formaldehyde in a finished product is far less than what is naturally found in the human body."

      October 30, 2011 at 01:08 | Report abuse |
    • Consensus

      Tapati, that is an excellent site; thanks for providing it!

      October 30, 2011 at 11:47 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      It's devolved into trolling now.

      At first it was 'vaccines are the root of all evil' and now it's antibiotics, formaldehyde and toxins. Lame.

      October 30, 2011 at 16:47 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Antibiotics? Really?

      I'm just getting over a sinus infection. I would love to see some of these imbeciles "cure" themselves of some little infection like this without antibiotics.

      What morons.

      October 30, 2011 at 20:09 | Report abuse |
  10. OfReason

    Not all vaccines confer lifelong immunity in one shot, which is why many require a series of the same shot. The more this idiotic anti-vaccine movement grows the more epidemics we'll have of childhood diseases. Hopefully many of these kids that don't get their vaccinations will die because the reality is that if you choose for your child to live 'naturally' without these life-saving vaccines then they will die naturally as well.

    October 28, 2011 at 12:59 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Elizabeth

      I feel very sorry for their children. They are being brought up to believe in ignorance and be proud of pride, for those who do survive, what kind of citizens will they make? Will they stand up for anybody's rights but their own? Will they seek after education and try to continue any sort of culture?

      October 28, 2011 at 13:15 | Report abuse |
    • Whatnow

      You are so right. The reason people live longer, healthier lives now is because of modern medicine. I wish that before people made these ridiculous decisions, they would go read a history book. Alot of children died before vaccines came along. This concept of "natural" that we keep hearing is very confusing. To me it just sounds like arrogance and ignorance.

      October 28, 2011 at 14:18 | Report abuse |
  11. MKE

    Please get your children immunized!! Save a life.

    October 28, 2011 at 13:08 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Myto Senseworth

    With 7 billion people on this planet, I expect there to be a few more nasty bugs killing a notable number of us off one again. From what I read in these comments, it will not take too long. People do not listen to reason. Refusing a vaccination is like saying kill us please. That's one of the only real accomplishments of modern med. (I still have very little faith in the medical profession)

    October 28, 2011 at 13:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Elizabeth

      If an immunization puts an end to a disease, the world is forever free of it. But if there are some strains of a disease that are not killed off because some people refuse vaccination, then there is always the possibility that the virus will mutate, as influenza does, and then a new strain could kill everybody. So they are adding to the possibility that nobody's vaccine may work. What is really interesting though is that Europe has a worse record of immunization than Africa. So which countries are acting like third world countries?

      October 28, 2011 at 13:19 | Report abuse |
  13. Cleopatra1981


    Must be a day off for doctors and nurses today, so many pro-vaxers.

    October 28, 2011 at 13:48 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Carnivore

      If that were the case, then you should stop and ask yourself who's better educated about vaccines and disease–you or the doctors and nurses you suspect are writing.

      I hope you are able to figure out the answer.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:09 | Report abuse |
    • Teri

      Don you have a child with Autism?

      October 28, 2011 at 22:58 | Report abuse |
    • Chartreuxe

      My son is Autistic. He showed symptoms of Autism *before* he was vaccinated. There's no connection between vaccines and Autism.

      October 30, 2011 at 16:50 | Report abuse |
  14. Kimie

    I'm the 22yr old who commented this morning and according to my mother, I've had all my vaccines along with my four other siblings. My doctor told me that when children get it it's just as severe, the measles doesn't last as long. I felt as though I was going to die, so I can't imagine someone wanting to let their kids get measles at all...

    October 28, 2011 at 14:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • b

      so you have both the shot, and got measles?

      No surprise there.

      same thing happened to me.

      Sorry you got sick.

      vaccines do not provide life long immunity, If you were given a mmr vaccine as a child, run don't walk get another soon.

      Or have your immunity tested to see if you have antibodies and then research why antibodies don' t equal immunity.

      the bottom line, vaccines do not work long term.

      October 28, 2011 at 14:42 | Report abuse |
    • Carnivore

      Yes, they do. Not all of them afford 100% immunity for life, but so what? Get a freakin' booster shot.

      Parachutes don't prevent 100% of deaths among skydivers, but I don't think that's a great reason to forgo using them, do you?

      October 28, 2011 at 17:20 | Report abuse |
  15. Carol

    Sure vaccines are safe. Finland's government found a conclusive link between last years swine flu vaccine and it causing narcolepsy. The Finland government is going to pay for the healthcare of 79 kids for the rest of their lives. Vaccines have NEVER been studied for long term effects. Keep injecting yourself with formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, benzethonium chloride,glycerin, and phenol -a compound obtained by distillation of coal tar, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue. Then go ahead and tell yourself they are small amounts and won't hurt. I guess god made our bodies deficient in vaccines and all these poisons.

    October 28, 2011 at 14:16 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Carnivore

      Is there conclusive proof that the vaccine is linked to narcolepsy? Cite your source.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:10 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      Huh. I'd have thought the OP could have provided evidence that there was a proven link by now.

      October 28, 2011 at 19:46 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      Carol, a number of the substances you mention are already IN the human body–formaldehyde, for example. Others contained in vaccines appear in concentrations far lower than those we come into contact with every day in the course of normal activities.
      Your silly references to "Big Pharma" reveals you to be yet another nut who hasn't any idea what she's talking about.

      October 30, 2011 at 12:24 | Report abuse |
  16. Carol

    Here is the faulty math with the latest flu vaccine study that was done.. You can find it in the Lancet The latest articles out are saying the flu vaccine is 60% effective. Most of us would think then that if 100 people took the vaccine 60 of those 100 people would be protected (not too bad right??). Here are the real facts of the study they won't tell you in the media. The study stated that for every 100 people 2.5 of them get the flu, then the study said for those that take the vaccine only 1.5 people out of every 100 people get the flu. The difference between 1.5 and 2.5 is 60%. But what the numbers really say are for every 100 people, the vaccine only prevents the flu in 1 extra person meaning the flu vaccine is barely 10% effective. So for every 100 people that line up at the pharmacy for their shots only 1 out of those 100 are protected by the vaccine. Keep believing your Big Pharma propaganda.

    October 28, 2011 at 14:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • bpatient

      That's such a bizarre attempt at argument that I'm surprised that Mike Adams could make it with a straight face and that you copied it essentially word for word without bothering to think about it. Why do you (or Adams) think that what "most of us" might incorrectly think means that the math is "faulty"?

      Seat belts don't actually save everyone's life, just the lives of some who are actually in automobile accidents.

      October 28, 2011 at 15:56 | Report abuse |
    • missive

      Carol, it's your math that's not adding up. A reduction from 2.5 to 1.5 cases per 100 people means that there will be 60% fewer infections if everyone gets the vaccine (in theory, it would be higher than 60% in a fully vaccinated community due to reduced spread). It does NOT mean that only 1 person developed protective immunity after vaccination.

      October 28, 2011 at 16:32 | Report abuse |
  17. b

    No surprise today we see a measles outbreak, has nothing to do with getting your young children shot up with God knows what and risking their future health, happiness, and or life.

    do you know, some laws around the country, where introduced after a child or infant died due to a shot.

    sue a vaccine manufacturer. Nope you cannot.

    You must seek compensation from the vaccine injury compensation fund. due to so many deaths and injuries, vaccine makers were being forced from the market, as they should of been. so vaccine makers simply, lobbied government and won protection from lawsuits. now they continue to make a unsafe product, market it well, brain wash the sheeple into believing lies about this product and the educated people who refuse their dangerous and bogus products.

    vaccines have never been resolved from involvement in autism, the studies sourced as proof have all been done by the industry, the very industry making these dangerous vaccines. Hello wake up sheeple.

    the auto industry must do independent safety studies .why not vaccine makers????? sheeple believe vaccines are safe and highly effective, but can't source one independent research study done without ties to this evil industry or funding by this evil industry.

    there are no independent research safety studies on vaccines, why????

    vaccines are simply not safe and their ill effects are not known fully. but yet the sheeple keep on insisting otherwise without real science not brought and paid for by the industry.

    silly really.

    October 28, 2011 at 15:01 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Carnivore

      Baloney. The fund was set up so that manufacturers would continue to manufacture vaccines. Vaccines do not result in much profit for pharmaceutical companies; the risk of being sued for injuries that MIGHT have been the result of vaccines wouldn't be worth the financial risk, and the companies would simply stop producing them. This would create a dangerous situation-there would be vaccine shortages.

      You guys are goofy.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:14 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      Just reading your post makes me laugh, b. You don't appear to have much education, based on your use of language, yet you deem yourself knowledgeable about vaccines. You make the absurd claim that vaccines cannot be completely discounted as a cause of autism, which is patently false.

      But keep posting. Posts like yours just reinforce the fact that most anti-vax folks are poorly informed and medically ignorant.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:24 | Report abuse |
    • toddflanders

      Wow b, I'm glad you picked such a simplistic screen name because it matches your intelligence. YOu really have no clue. Remove your tinfoil hat and get to a library and educate yourself.

      October 28, 2011 at 18:47 | Report abuse |
  18. Dreamer96

    The FDA recalls dangerous drugs all the time since 1993, there have been over 1,000 deaths can be linked to pharmaceutical drugs. Death from vaccines are something else...

    October 28, 2011 at 15:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Carnivore

      How many deaths have occurred from preventable diseases among those not vaccinated? How many people have died of diseases that these "dangerous drugs" could have cured?

      October 28, 2011 at 17:16 | Report abuse |
  19. tmr3608

    Parents really need to do the math in this article before vaccinating their kids. If 1 out of 1000 kids gets encephalitis and brain damage from measles, but only 220 kids got measles in the US in this historically big outbreak year, but 1 out of a million get brain damage from the vaccine, you are much less likely to get brain damage from vaccinating than from refusing the vaccine and taking your chances. The statistics might change in the future, but currently the MMR puts your child at greater risk than not vaccinating, and the only reason to give it is to protect the herd. Well, I'm not using my child as a sacrificial lamb and exposing her to something that has more chances of harm than help in order to benefit society at large. No way. My responsibility as a parent is to her first and foremost.

    October 28, 2011 at 16:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      I'm sure your words will be of great comfort to the parents of children who died from measles because they were too young to be vaccinated and got infected when exposed to older children who were not vaccinated when they should have been.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:34 | Report abuse |
  20. Kashi

    the majority here seem to agree that there is a huge lack of trust in docs and drug companies regarding vaccines. heck, they give the same dosages and number of vaccines to preemie and underweight, weak infants as they give to strapping 8 and 9 pounders. vaccines AFFECT the immune system. and the pressure from docs to stick yourninfant NUMEROUS times at each well-baby visit is enormous. most docs act like they want to call child protective service if you ask for a more responsible vaccination schedule for your child.
    my oldest child is on the autism spectrum. he was an underweight and weak infant. i so wish that i had been more aware and demanded a different vaccination schedule for him. while i have seen and concur with the convincing studies tht the MMR vaccine does not cause autism, I have seen NO studies about the VAST number of vaccinations given to infants and young children regardless of their weight, size and overall health. Overly bombarding an already fragile immune system in my opinion could very well wreak havoc on the health of a developing brain and body. This has been IGNORED by tqhe medical community.

    i truly think that docs and drug companies need to take a step back, reorgqnize vaccination schedules for children in a responsible fashion and stop this persecution of parents who have NO trust in them.

    October 28, 2011 at 16:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      It's obvious from what you write that you don't really have a grasp of the way vaccines work.

      There is no evidence that multiple immunizations are harmful. Studies HAVE been done; millions of infants are immunized without any ill effects. The percentage of those who have ANY reactions is extremely small. Severe reactions are extremely rare.

      You won't get a surgeon to sign anything that guarantees a perfect outcome when you have an operation. Some people die from a reaction to medications. Nothing is 100% safe.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:28 | Report abuse |
    • toddflanders

      When you learn to read, please find a library and start reading some books on science and immunology. You'll actually learn something and then you can stop insulting everyone with your ridiculous assertions and moronic opinions.

      October 28, 2011 at 18:49 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      Kashi, I am a medical professional and have been for 20 years and i completely agree with your statements!

      October 29, 2011 at 18:23 | Report abuse |
    • d

      Based on what, Ga?

      October 29, 2011 at 18:43 | Report abuse |
    • toddflanders

      Hey GeorgiaDolt....I love it when people hide behind the "medical professional" moniker. That could make you anything from a medical biller to a medical assistant or more likely a brainless chiropractor. I know for sure you're not a real doctor.

      October 29, 2011 at 19:25 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You nailed it-this bozo is probably some "naturopath" who never got past community college.

      October 30, 2011 at 20:18 | Report abuse |
  21. Kashi

    on another (somewhat) related note...i was completely infertile due to depo provera, a popular method of birth control that was advertised to be as safe as the "pill" and lasted 3 months. it shut down my ovaries and they could not restart. nand while the manufacturer claims that this is rare, i have to say that i met MANY hopeful potential mothers to be in the infertilitty clinic wh were there after using this dangerous drug. I have found that if the drug companies say that it CAN cause this reaction or thqt, then it probably WILL.

    October 28, 2011 at 16:58 | Report abuse | Reply
  22. Wonder

    I can't believe people aren't vaccinating their kids. Can you live with yourself if your kids die from something preventable? Can you? Now be responsible and do the right thing. you are harming the general public too by not vaccinating your kids. why do we think we don't see measles and polio etc. as much here, it's b/c people do their part. if you don't vaccinate, one person at a time, it can come back here! those things aren't GONE! morons!

    October 28, 2011 at 17:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. abby

    and we have a bunch of idiots who don't want to vaccinate their children.....

    October 28, 2011 at 17:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • YNot

      They show up every time there's an article like this one. They post misinformation and outright nonsense about the dangers of vaccines. They are nuts.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:49 | Report abuse |
  24. Kashi

    to tune in, wonder, abby et al...
    i dont think ANYONE here is opposed to vaccinating their children. they are necessary. but need to be given in a responsible manner. tune in, yes of course millons have been immunized but do you really think its responsible to say that they had NO ill effects???? the rates of autism, add, adhd and other learning disabilities have been going up and off the charts in recent years. Is this due to "better diagnostics" or due to the fact that there are now over 40!!!!! vaccinations given during the first year of life as oppposed to maybe 4 or 5 in "our" day?

    you y there WERE studies done on multiple and numerous immunizations on infqnts and young children? WHERE? ncan you cite even ONE of these studies?

    like i said previously...i think immunizations are necessqry. but just as necessary is a responsible schedule, one thqt considers the overall health and weight of the patient.

    October 28, 2011 at 17:53 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      Yes, I do think it's responsible to say that millions had no ill effects because it's true. There's no evidence at all tying multiple vaccinations to ADHD, autism, or other learning disabilities. The fact that more children are being diagnosed doesn't mean the vaccines are causing the problem. It could be genetic factors, more women having children later in life, environmental factors, or something else entirely. I think it's irresponsible to create fear and distrust for no good reason.

      October 28, 2011 at 17:59 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      All I did was google vaccine research and found this site: ht tp: // w w w . vaccinesafety. e du / cc-mm r. h tm

      October 28, 2011 at 18:11 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      Kashi, you asked for studies. Here is what the site antivaxflurf recommended by another poster, had to say about studies on multiple vaccinations: Anti-vaxers claim that too many antigens (the parts that make the vaccines work) are given at once, ignoring that infants and children are exposed to thousands of antigens every day by touching things and putting their hands or the object in their mouth, through absorption or by inhaling.
      They claim that combination shots should be avoided, and that parents should break up the vaccinations into individual vaccines and spread them out. However, this increases the total number of shots received, as well as exposure to those various “toxins” they hate so much.
      Some in the anti-vax movement say that an alternate, spaced-out schedule is better, yet they have no scientific studies to support such a protocol. In fact, a study published online in the journal Pediatrics on May 24, 2010 shows that children vaccinated on schedule do not show adverse outcomes as compared to those who received fewer vaccines or vaccines on a delayed schedule. They also claim that the schedule recommended by the CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics is not backed up by science. This is not true. Each year, the schedule is reviewed in the light of the latest scientific studies on vaccines and revised as necessary, with the newest recommendations being published each January.

      October 30, 2011 at 12:19 | Report abuse |
  25. Mion

    In my experience, the vast majority of parents who choose to leave their kids unvaccinated are people from developed countries and are too young to remember a time when these diseases were rampant. They haven't been to India or other less-developed countries where people are still falling ill with illnesses eradicated in developed countries thanks to vaccines. Unlike their elders, they have not seen children paralyzed by polio, heard the terrifying cough of pertussis, or seen newborn babies with congenital defects as a result of their mother being infected with rubella while pregnant. Thus, they don't understand the importance of vaccines.

    Oh, and about this vaccine-autism link: It's bull. I have Asperger's Syndrome and have been showing signs of it before I was old enough to get vaccinated. Even as a baby, I rarely made eye contact and became uncomfortable when people touched me; I would even squirm and try to move away when my mom held me.

    Autism spectrum disorders are most recognizable once the child hits ages 2 – 6, which is around the time where the bulk of vaccines are given. So, since both the symptoms of ASDs and vaccination schedule are highest at the same time, some parents jump to conclusions and think that the shots caused it. It's all correlation, not causation.

    Do some kids come down with major side effects after getting a vaccine? Of course. However, these are extremely rare and tend to get a huge amount of press coverage when they happen due to how seldom it happens. It's like with shark attacks – you have a higher chance of being killed by a cow, yet people are terrified of sharks because the large amount of attention given to these attacks make people think that they're common.

    October 28, 2011 at 18:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. Kashi

    Mion, you say you showed signs of aspergers "before you were old enough to get vqccinated.". sorry but these days, newborns get about FIVE vaccinations within the first 24 hours after their birth. and many of the pro vaccination at doctors demand here...well, they think that parents like me, parents who want a better, more responsible schedule for vaccination are actually against vaccinating. we are NOT. we just think that the age, weight and OVERALL heallth status of a patient needs to be considered prior to sticking the needle in. heck, if you have the least case of sniffles, you dont get the flu shot. so WHY stick an underweight, stuggling preemie with the SAME 5 innoculation dosages as a strapping 9 pounder????

    WHY is this SO hard to understand???

    October 28, 2011 at 19:04 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      Where is your evidence that vaccinations ARE causing the issues you cited, Kashi? Do you have any? Is there any proof at all that Aspergers, ADHD, or autism ARE caused by vaccines or by multiple vaccinations?

      I'm curious as to your statement about preemies-do you think they'd be better served not being vaccinated for preventable diseases and risking exposure when they are so vulnerable?

      Do you have any evidence that more preemies are being harmed by vaccines than are being saved by them? Or any evidence that a greater percentage of preemies suffer adverse reactions to vaccines than "strapping 9 pounders" do?

      Why do you think the vaccine schedule is "unreasonable"? I would think the schedule would be based on scientific findings. Do you have proof that it isn't?

      October 28, 2011 at 19:35 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      That should have been: "Why do you think the vaccine schedule is not 'responsible'?" What, exactly, is irresponsible about it?

      October 28, 2011 at 19:49 | Report abuse |
  27. tmr3608

    Rather than argue about theoretical problems that some people believe vaccines may be linked to, such as Autism, let's just deal with what the scientific studies actually show. And what they show is that currently you are giving your child something that does more harm than good, as I explained in my previous post. This is a mathematical fact. So the fact that the diseases are horrible and kill children in 3rd world countries really has nothing to do with it. It's not that I don't understand how bad things used to be when we had the diseases around, nor is it that I don't realize that they will return if we stop vaccinating. But a parents responsibility is to his or her own children. It is immoral to give your child something that has more chance for harm than for good at the moment you give it. I would like to hear counter arguments from some of you that support vaccines if you have any that make sense.

    October 28, 2011 at 19:57 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      Prove that vaccines do "more harm than good."

      October 28, 2011 at 22:16 | Report abuse |
    • YNot

      Apparently, the original poster asked to come up with proof that vaccines do more harm than good has been unable to do so.

      October 29, 2011 at 10:17 | Report abuse |
    • iminim

      tmr3608, I find it interesting that you plan not to vaccinate because you feel it is your responsibility to protect your kids primarily, even at the potential expense of other kids' health. However, for your unvaccinated kids to be remain safe you must rely on other parents to vaccinate their children to provide a shield of immune kids between your vunerable ones & potential disease sources. Your plan forces you to rely on other parents to care more about the health of the kids in the community than you do. Perhaps you should quit acting like you are being a superior parent because of your decision not to vaccinate and, instead, go thank all those other parents for taking the responsibility of protecting their kids PLUS your kids from disease.

      Vaccine preventable diseases, like measles, are still present in the world. The fewer vaccinated individuals in our population, the more likely these diseases will reappear in the US. Parents who refuse to vaccinate are helping produce a vunerable population that could become infected in the US. I wonder how many people who eschew vaccines now will be screaming about the government not having enough vaccine on hand when epidemic measles returns to the US and all the unvaccinated people suddenly realize their odds a better with vaccination than without.

      October 29, 2011 at 15:40 | Report abuse |
  28. Patty60

    "220 cases of measles this year. Highest level in 15 years". Please...220 cases in a population of 350 million. It must have been a slow news day or big Pharma wanted their shares to rise.

    October 28, 2011 at 20:38 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Justme

      The fact that it's the highest number in 15 years and that it was because they didn't get vaccinated that they were infected ought to give everyone some cause for concern.

      October 29, 2011 at 15:44 | Report abuse |
  29. c

    Studies don't equal truth. Not one study, disproving the link between autism and any vaccine or a component of a vaccine has been done outside of industry, by independent researchers. Of course there is no link, duh?

    All authors of such studies are industry tied, to a company making a vaccine, paid for by industry.

    Who would actually believe these bias, flawed studies as proof vaccines do not cause autism? Get a clue, those doing this so called research are industry employees who are employed by vaccine makers. Of course researchers, who are paid by the industry are not going to actually find a link. Believe what you will, vaccines do not cause autism accordingly to industry, however the dtap shot can cause a child's brain to swell and with brain swelling, your child or infant, may be left with mild retardation to severe retardation. Autism perhaps.

    The dtap shot will not prevent infection, this shot will not prevent infants under the age of 6 months from dying of pertussis.

    This shot is stupid, in the same way a flu shot is stupid, does not cover all strains of pertussis, won't prevent infection, won't prevent death, however the dtap shot, may cause severe brain swelling and death.

    Educated parents are the ones refusing shots, just check out the CDC study on parents who are refusing shots. Those with letters after their names, maybe it is time for parents to wake up and smell the truth, the vaccine industry is not out to help you or your child, they don't give a @!#$%. They only care about the bottom line, Money and keeping the share holders happy.

    October 28, 2011 at 21:48 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      No, the "educated parents" aren't the ones refusing vaccinations. It's a bunch of fringe goof-balls. The vast majority of parents who are educated have their children vaccinated.

      The fact that you don't is simply proof that fools exist.

      October 28, 2011 at 22:18 | Report abuse |
    • d

      is the grade your writing earns you. So much for your "education". Try learning how to use punctuation before you attempt to impersonate an "educated parent."

      October 28, 2011 at 22:35 | Report abuse |
    • Kat

      If the flu shot is so stupid, then explain how else I've managed to avoid getting the flu for over a decade despite riding public transportation and being exposed to dozens of people a day.

      Meanwhile, my friend who doesn't believe in flu shots has had the flu twice in the past three years. Doesn't sound so stupid to me now.

      October 31, 2011 at 03:09 | Report abuse |
    • Cleopatra1981

      I have never gotten the flu shot (which is pretty stupid) and I've never had the flu, explain that.

      October 31, 2011 at 10:41 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Cleo, you are an imbecile. I swear, CNN is paying you to post idiocy here just to get a reaction.

      November 1, 2011 at 18:42 | Report abuse |
  30. dgt

    Well, I hope it soars more and more, and I am pretty confident it will, so some vaccine makers get some sense and start making separate M, M, and R vaccines for those parents who don't want to shock their children with a full MMR and want to space those separate vaccines out. I personally wait till my children are 10 as there are no separate vaccines readily available, and I'd rather my young children get the natural immunity for those disease It really is a media/vaccine manufacturer propaganda that measles is so bad in childhood. It's just as bad as the flu. It's ridiculous to compare polio and measles.
    If you get it as an adult, that's a different matter.

    October 28, 2011 at 21:51 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      You are wrong. Children who get measles can suffer deafness or mental retardation as a result.

      October 28, 2011 at 22:20 | Report abuse |
  31. C.C.

    You do realize that all you pro-vaxers are coming off as arrogant? Not really helping your case when you are resorting to name calling people whose children are not vaccinated for one reason or another. In my case it is a medical reason and now personal.

    When was the last case of wild polio? How effective is a 6 strain flu vaccine that is supposed to cover millions of people? It's a crapshoot. If you have a small infant don't knowingly take them out into over run germy places, don't have sick visitors over, wash your hands. If you take your tiny new baby with no immune system out into the world and they get sick don't blame it on other people blame it on yourself for taking your new baby out during flu season.
    Another reason for diseases to naturally go into decline- cleaner water, healthier food options, better sanitation, more advancements in the health care field. I do not give vaccines 100% credit for completely wiping out diseases.

    October 29, 2011 at 05:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • d

      Don't care if it comes off as arrogant. People who have legitimate reasons for not vaccinating aren't the ones who are nutty. It's the ones who think there's some huge conspiracy between the government and "big pharma", that pharmaceutical companies make enormous profits from vaccines, and that vaccines do more harm than good.

      Oh, yeah, and people who think vaccines deserve little credit for the fact that we no longer have to allow kids to get measles, mumps, pertussis, or chicken pox. Or polio. Or tetanus.

      October 29, 2011 at 09:13 | Report abuse |
    • iminim

      By all means don't give vaccines 100% of the credit for wiping out these diseases. They aren't wiped out at all. They are kept at bay by a large population of vaccinated people who are immune & unable to spread them. These vaccine preventable diseases, with the exception of small pox, are still present in countries that don't/can't routinely vaccinate. Given a big enough population of susceptible people, they will return to the US as well. Yes public sanitation methods have helped decrease the potential for spread of some diseases, but those that are spread by droplets in the air (similar to the way flu spreads) are not stopped by usual public sanitation methods like sewage management & treatment.

      October 29, 2011 at 15:50 | Report abuse |
  32. dinkychelle

    As a mother the decision to vaccinate or not is easy. I ask myself whether the risk of injury is a better outcome than the risk of death. The answer is so obvious to me. How about you?

    October 29, 2011 at 11:47 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. Sandy

    I just have one question about something that I was unclear on. Is it saying that 72% of children are not vaccinated or 72% of the children that are unvaccinated..?

    October 29, 2011 at 12:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  34. Janet

    I'm old enough to have had these diseases and old enough to know a child who died of measles, 3 people who died of polio and several men who became sterile when they caught mumps. My own uncle died of diptheria as a toddler. German measles is a minor disease (not two weeks in a dark room - that is measles ) but it can cause serious damage in a fetus - deafness, blindness, mental retardation. A cousin's child before the meningitis vaccine was available got meningitis as an infant - she is now 44 and seriously developmentally delayed. She is still in diapers, never learned to speak and has been cared for by her parents for 44 years. They are in their 70s.

    Teens and college students who don't get the meningitis vaccine for the form that tends to spread in dorms, military training etc run the risk of death and perhaps worse, the amputation of their limbs. A college basketball player in Tennessee had all four limbs amputated as a result of meningitis; I know a man who died of it during basic training.

    9 or 10 infants died in California this past year of pertussis; too young to get vaccinated they were exposed by others who were not vaccinated. Even with excellent medical care, they couldn't be saved.

    Vaccines are a godsend - they not only protect our kids, but by creating herd immunity which protects people who cannot be vaccinated (e.g. with immune disorders or illnesses) as well as those who are among those whose vaccines don't take.

    It is deeply immoral to rely on herd immunity to protect your own kids rather than take the minor risks involved in vaccination in order to prevent the greater risks of the diseases.

    October 29, 2011 at 15:07 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Justme

      A voice of reason! Thank you for an excellent post. I hope people are paying attention.

      October 29, 2011 at 15:21 | Report abuse |
  35. Kashi

    janet made truly excellent points. and tunedin, you are sadly mistaken in thinking that parents who want a different vaccination schedule are against vaccination. that is FAR from true. a vaccination sends the immune system into overdrive. so when an infant is given numerous shots at one time, they usually have fever etc for a day or two after. but when an infant weiging in at HALF the weight of their peers and is not strong and healthy to begin with is given the SAME dosages and number of shots....if you cant see the difference here and the reason that educatednparents want a more responsible schedule then theres something wrong with you. perhaps younwork in thenpharmaceutical industry.

    if i had the chance to do it over, i would demand that vaccinations be spaced out over moretime for my underweight and struggling son. he wouldnstill receive ALL vaccinations but on a more responsible schedule. when you hqve qn infant like this, they are not exactly out and about so risk of contracting these diseases is minimal. but risks due to overload of immune system in my opinion is far greater than any chance of coming down with the diseases.

    like i said before, there have been NO studies regarding dosage, number of vaccinations, weight and overall health. giving a 5 pounder the same number of vaccines with same dosages as a 9 pounder in good health is IRRESPONSIBLE.

    October 29, 2011 at 15:39 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Justme

      You were asked for any evidence that the schedule is "irresponsible" and you haven't provided anything but your opinion. You have no proof that giving several vaccines simultaneously causes the immune system to "go into overdrive" as you put it. I don't work in pharmaceuticals, nor am I a medical professional. I just have enough sense to listen to doctors and not get my information from bogus websites that provide bad and inaccurate information.

      Provide evidence from a reputable source that multiple vaccinations "overload the immune system". Your opinion is not sufficient.

      October 29, 2011 at 15:48 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      The CDC's website addresses the concerns you have expressed. I suggest you look at it.

      October 29, 2011 at 15:54 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      You might want to look at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia's information on vaccines and premature babies, as well. It emphasizes the fact that preemies are more susceptible to vaccine-preventable diseases because their immune systems are not mature and because they do not get as many antibodies from their mothers as full-term babies do.

      October 29, 2011 at 16:06 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      The American Academy of Pediatrics and the March of Dimes websites also address the issue of premature infants and the vaccine schedule. And both of them say that there is no reason to delay or space out vaccines; doing so may increase the chance that an infant would contract a disease.

      How are all of these doctors and other medical experts wrong or irresponsible?

      October 29, 2011 at 16:21 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      As far as I could gather, there are no dosage differences in vaccines for this reason: medications that are given by doses based on weight, like antibiotics, must be given in sufficient doses so the amount medication in the bloodstream reaches an effective level. Vaccines do not enter the bloodstream; they stimulate the immune system, so the dosage doesn't vary much depending on the size of the infant.

      I believe the same is true of flu vaccine-the dose is the same regardless of the weight of the patient.

      October 29, 2011 at 16:37 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      You contend there have been "NO studies...etc.". I googled vaccine studies and found that the American Academy of Pediatrics discusses the fact that there are indeed many studies done on every vaccine that's produced.

      October 29, 2011 at 16:51 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      Heck, have there even been any studies that prove the safety and effectiveness of the childhood immunization schedule as it stands now on even average-weight babies and children. I don't believe it's the individual vaccine, I think the problem lies in the barrage of vaccines a child gets in a single sitting.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:26 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      See the post below. Science doesn't back up this notion.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:28 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      Well, this has been an interesting read. Kashi, I didn't say you were opposed to vaccinations. I asked you what you felt was wrong with the vaccine schedule and whether you had any sources that showed that premature babies had a higher percentage of negative reactions to the vaccines given according to the schedule than full-term babies did.

      October 29, 2011 at 19:28 | Report abuse |
  36. Dreamer96

    4 kids a day die from abuse and nelgect every day in the U.S. that's over 1,400 a year...

    October 29, 2011 at 15:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dreamer96

      Most of those dying are under the age of 5 years old, but up to 15 years old...Texas has the biggest number of kids dying from abuse and neglect in the whole nation...

      October 29, 2011 at 16:00 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      What does this have to do with the subject of vaccination?

      October 29, 2011 at 16:07 | Report abuse |
  37. Marissa

    I was born in the 1940's, I remember I had measles when I was 8 years old and was quite sick for 2 weeks. None of my friends were allowed to visit because measles can have many complications, my uncle went deaf after having measles as a child. Never heard of anyone having parties so the other children would get measles, Dreamer96 has to be confusing measles with chickenpox. To have a party so other children will get measles is completely absurd. I remember a very dear friend of the family that lost 4 daughters to complication from childhood diseases. Another childhood disease, German measles is very dangerous for a developing fetus, that is why before someone is pregnant and doesn't remember if she had german measles she should be tested to see if she is inmune to the disease, otherwise she should get vaccinated. Whooping cough is quite dangerous is you have it as a child, I did when I was 2 months old and developed a hernia from all the coughing. My children and grandchildren all were vaccinated with the vaccines required. If you do not get vaccinated you can get the disease and also when you get it you could pass it to someone that cannot be vaccinated because of health problems or someone too young to have had the vaccine. Yes, sometimes something could go wrong after you vaccinate, but the odds are in your side that everything will be ok if you are vaccinated. Please use common sense and vaccinate. It would be horrible to bring back measles, whooping cough, german measles, polio, and many other diseases.

    October 29, 2011 at 16:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. GaPeach

    We all now know that the DTap wears off as adults are now getting pertussis who were vaccinated as children. What about in the case of the MMR? Can we assume that our immunity wears off for it as well? And why did they stop seperarting the MMR? I think that's why many parents are opting out of the vaccine that would have otherwise gotten it.

    October 29, 2011 at 18:12 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Justme

      I thought you said you were a medical professional.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:30 | Report abuse |
  39. Kashi

    justme, you are right, each vaccine is ewted. individually. see the difference?

    October 29, 2011 at 18:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Justme

      Not sure what you meant to say here.

      Here's a paragraph from a TIME article:

      There is also little evidence to support the claim made by antivaccine activists that the battery of shots kids receive can damage the immune system rather than strengthen it. Experts stress that it's not the number of inoculations that matters but the number of immune-stimulating antigens—or proteins—in them. Thanks to a better understanding of which viral or bacterial proteins are best at activating the immune system, that number has plummeted. The original smallpox injection alone packed 200 different immune-alerting antigens in a single shot. Today there are only 150 antigens in all 15 or so shots babies get before they are 6 months old. "The notion that too many vaccines can overwhelm the immune system is just not based on good science," says Dr. Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital in Philadelphia.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:24 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      Justme, many people discount anything Paul Offit says about the safety of vaccines because he himself profits from vaccines as he is a vaccine developer. It would be kinda odd if he said something against them.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:28 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      No, a few people discount what he and other doctors and scientists say about vaccines. Not many.

      You said you were a medical professional. In what area of medicine? What do you do?

      October 29, 2011 at 18:31 | Report abuse |
    • d

      The only people who disregard anything Paul Offit says about vaccines are the anti-vax nuts. You should really watch his interview with Stephen Colbert. It's almost as funny as Penn and Teller's show about the subject.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:49 | Report abuse |
    • d

      Kashi, what is ewted?

      October 29, 2011 at 19:02 | Report abuse |
    • Consensus

      From http://antiantivax.flurf.net/ the site mentioned by Tapati: Anti-vaxers claim that too many antigens (the parts that make the vaccines work) are given at once, ignoring that infants and children are exposed to thousands of antigens every day by touching things and putting their hands or the object in their mouth, through absorption or by inhaling.
      They claim that combination shots should be avoided, and that parents should break up the vaccinations into individual vaccines and spread them out. However, this increases the total number of shots received, as well as exposure to those various “toxins” they hate so much.
      Some in the anti-vax movement say that an alternate, spaced-out schedule is better, yet they have no scientific studies to support such a protocol. In fact, a study published online in the journal Pediatrics on May 24, 2010 shows that children vaccinated on schedule do not show adverse outcomes as compared to those who received fewer vaccines or vaccines on a delayed schedule. They also claim that the schedule recommended by the CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics is not backed up by science. This is not true. Each year, the schedule is reviewed in the light of the latest scientific studies on vaccines and revised as necessary, with the newest recommendations being published each January.

      October 30, 2011 at 12:10 | Report abuse |
    • Kashi

      oops. tested. still getting used to this keypad!

      October 30, 2011 at 17:45 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      As you can see, you are incorrect. The schedule is examined every year.

      You, like Ga, have cited no facts whatsoever.

      October 30, 2011 at 18:51 | Report abuse |
  40. GaPeach

    What difference does that make? What is YOUR area of medical expertise?

    October 29, 2011 at 18:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Justme

      It's okay if you can't answer the question. I didn't think you would.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:35 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      I can respond, but I see you chose not to either. If you can tell me why it makes a difference, I'll gladly respond. Otherwise it seems like a pointless question.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:38 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      I never claimed to be a medical professional. You did. I am curious to know what area of medicine you specialize in.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:40 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      There must be a point to your curiosity. I doubt your curious just to be curious. If it's a logical and reasonable point as to why you're curious, I'll gladly answer you.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:43 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      I doubt that a medical professional who knows something about vaccines would have to wonder about the MMR's immunity wearing off in adulthood. I found the answer myself after a single search within a couple of minutes.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:45 | Report abuse |
    • d

      I doubt that a "medical professional" would misspell "separate" or use "your" instead of "you're".

      October 29, 2011 at 18:46 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      No logical or reasonable point. Just what I thought. Go ahead a trust your Google searches!

      October 29, 2011 at 18:49 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      I trust real medical professionals. Not people who claim to be them.

      October 29, 2011 at 18:51 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Good job! GaPeach is a fake if there ever was one.

      October 30, 2011 at 20:19 | Report abuse |
  41. John

    As far as I'm concerned, denying your child appropriate medical care (and endangering the rest of the community) by refusing to get them vaccinated is child abuse. If a parent chooses to deliberately harm their child by refusing to vaccinate them, the kids should be taken away and put in a safer environment and the culpable parents charged with abuse (the parents who let their kids develop measles should be charged). We can't leave the health of young, innocent babies and toddlers in the hands of people who endanger them. Being a parent should be a privilege, not a right.

    October 29, 2011 at 18:44 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. tmr3608

    @John - you say that we can't leave innocent babies in the hands of people who endanger them, but this very article shows that parents are endangering their children more by vaccinating them against measles than by leaving them exposed. Let's go over the math again. A mere 220 children got measles this year in the US (and this was a record year). Only 1 in a 1000 children who get measles will develop encephalitis, so we can assume that no child got encephalitis this year from measles. However, if you vaccinate you have a 1 in a million chance of developing encephalitis, which means that far more children are getting encephalitis from the vaccine than from the disease at this point. Now that may change in the future, but right now you are harming your child rather than protecting them when you give them a potentially harmful vaccine for a disease that is not currently killing or brain damaging any one at all. I understand that things were bad in the old days, but when you make a decision for your child's health is should be based on current conditions.

    October 30, 2011 at 00:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      Did you even read inimin's response to you?

      October 30, 2011 at 10:39 | Report abuse |
    • Consensus

      Experts aren't sure that the MMR causes encephalitis, tmr. You are basing your math on assumptions.

      October 30, 2011 at 11:21 | Report abuse |
    • Consensus

      I suggest you look up the site "The Truth About the Evils of Vaccination", tmr.

      October 30, 2011 at 11:39 | Report abuse |
    • iminim

      tmr: If your children continue to be unvaccinated then, to protect their health & the health of other children in the community, you need to keep them away from other children at all times. You need to put masks on them when they have to be around other unvaccinated children. If your kids are sick, put masks on them & isolate them in the doctor's waiting room to avoid potential spread of the illness to other nonvaccinated kids. Remember that some diseases can be spread to others before you feel sick, so your kids could be spreading or contracting a vaccine preventable disease at any time. Avoid travel, especially on public transportation. Avoid other nonvaccinated kids and anyone who has travelled recently. Hopefully these measures will keep your kids & other nonvaccinated kids safe. Yes, these are extreme measures, but you are already trying to protect your kids from the minimal risk of vaccination. Now you have to protect them from the risk of contracting a vaccine preventable disease from other unvaccinated kids.

      If you take responsibility for the decision not to vaccinate, then it is your responsibility to protect your vunerable kids from contracting a vaccine preventable disease. Quit relying on parents who vaccinate their kids to do it for you.

      October 30, 2011 at 20:49 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I know I'm perverse, but I kind of hope tmr's kids do get measles. I just hope they don't infect some other innocent kid who couldn't be vaccinated for a valid reason, one that doesn't include his/her mother being a complete moron.

      I'm going straight to Hell, you betcha.

      October 30, 2011 at 21:22 | Report abuse |
  43. Tapati

    No medicine or treatment is 100% safe. People have died from natural medicines, from aspirin, from Tylenol used as directed, from food poisoning, from bad medicine combinations, from bee stings (but hey, bees are NATURAL)...a gazillion things can kill us. But the odds are, if we all stop vaccinating our children this year, we will start having huge outbreaks of these diseases within a very few years that will kill or disable far more children and vulnerable adults (immune suppressed) than any vaccines ever have. Already we are having outbreaks from a percentage of those who don't vaccinate. They are relying on most of us choosing to do so (which seems unfair–hey I think it might kill my kid to vaccinate but I'm depending on YOU to do it so my kid won't get sick–gee thanks) to maintain herd immunity. The very fact of relying on herd immunity is a recognition of the fact that vaccines WORK far more often than not. Visit http://antiantivax.flurf.net/ (no it's not MY site but I'd be proud to claim it if it was) for more information about the junk science of the anti-vaccine group.

    October 30, 2011 at 01:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      Agreed. Too bad posters like tmr can't quite figure that out.

      October 30, 2011 at 10:37 | Report abuse |
  44. tmr3608

    Hey, I'm not claiming that vaccines don't work. And the incidence of disease may rise if people don't vaccinate, but I cannot in good conscience give my child something that has more risk than benefit just so that I can protect other children. As a parent my responsibility is to my child first.

    October 30, 2011 at 01:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TuneIn

      Sure. And other people should be sure and put THEIR children at risk so yours are protected? Great.

      October 30, 2011 at 10:54 | Report abuse |
    • Consensus

      You should look up the blog "A Photon in the Darkness" and read what the author, Prometheus, has to say about your math.

      October 30, 2011 at 11:45 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Fine with me. When you're standing at your child's bedside watching him writhe and scream in unspeakable agony while dying from a totally preventable disease, maybe you can keep repeating that little mantra to yourself.

      October 30, 2011 at 13:40 | Report abuse |
    • John

      TMR – I'm a physician, a neurologist in fact, so encephalitis is mu area. Your comment regarding the incidence of encephalitis 2/2 to vaccine vs. measles is wildly inaccurate. Again, I feel strongly as a physician and someone who has seen the devasting side effects of not vaccinating against measles (subacute sclerosing panencephalitis) that parents such as you are guilty of child abuse (and further endangerment of the pediatric community as a whole) and should be held liable if you choose not to vaccinate your child.

      In regard to the poorly-educated posters here who continue to insist vaccines are harmful, the medical and scientific communities lost interest in you long ago and I encourage those posters who think they can "convince" them of the benefit of vaccination to do the same. It's like arguing with a delusional patient- since they can't think logically from the get go, trying to get them to abandon the delusion is hopeless. At this point, if the measles rate continues to rise, I predict the vaccination issue will move into a legal arena. Just like TB treatment (and other communicable diseases), I predict the CDC will begin mandating vaccination against mealses and non-compliant parents will be subject to legal remedy.

      October 30, 2011 at 16:25 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Good! I hope they do suffer legal ramifications. People like GaPeach, tmr, and others who refuse to vaccinate are endangering not only their own children but everyone else as well.

      October 30, 2011 at 20:13 | Report abuse |
  45. dreamer96

    No link to Autism and vaccines..

    Correlation is not causation. If it were, I could conclude that: I ate potatoes last night. I came down with a sore throat just 3 hours later. It MUST have been the potatoes.

    Good point, but if a group of people say 100 people all start getting sick from eating potatoes you have a food contamination problem. Remember the cantaloupe contaminated with listeria, eggs with salmanila, 131,000 pounds of ground beef contaminated with E,. Coli. in just the last year. 15 dead at least from cantaloupe, 1,300 sick from eggs....

    Over 600,000 living with autism in U.S. that's a lot, much more world wide. Autism is the fastest growing neurological disorder in the world.

    All countries, races, different genetics, different foods eaten by mothers and babies, different home enviormental conditions, rich or poor parents, Young and old parents, modern or third world medical systems, very bad in somalia, but by far they all took vaccines, the number of autism cases in unvaccinated children sharply lower.

    Note the U.S, has 36 required vaccines for children, most other countries have 11 to 17 vaccines required. and they all started to climb in the 1984-1985 time frame

    October 30, 2011 at 08:11 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dreamer96

      Head of CDC from 2002 to 2009 now President of Merck's Vaccine Division.
      Dec. 13th 2007
      Merck recalls 1.2 million vaccines, after equipment that was used to make those vaccines was found to be containinated by
      Bacterium called Bacillus Cereus. How long did this go undetected, did it happen before? Is the purity of vaccines verified by an independent lab?

      October 30, 2011 at 10:21 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      The symptoms of autism, regardless of whether the child has been vaccinated or not, begin to appear about the same time kids get vaccinated. Autism is rising in part because of more awareness and increased early diagnosis. Other reasons may be found, but as of now, there is no proven link between vaccination and autism.

      October 30, 2011 at 10:50 | Report abuse |
  46. dreamer96

    What bothers me as a parent, and more as a parent of a child with Autism, is this simple arguement from the CDC;

    With every vacine, we are trying to prevent a possible outbreak, some say definate outbreak, but they also know a small percent of children will have a bad reaction to the vacine, that is guarnteed, so there are always going to be some children killed, or badly harmed, and others harmed in someway by each new vacine... and the CDC is OK with that, instead of coming up with test to see who would react badly, and NOT giving those kids the vacines at all. 1 out of every 150 kids is getting Autism now and climbing....since 1990's When we went from 5 shots for under 2 year olds and increased to over 20 now for under 2 year olds.

    October 30, 2011 at 08:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • dreamer96

      Sorry, not since 1990's, but "since 1980's when we went from 5 shots for under 2 years old". What did we add....

      October 30, 2011 at 08:50 | Report abuse |
    • dreamer96

      Yes California says it has mercury free vaccines or vaccines free of thirmerosal perservative, but is mercury still used in the growing or making of vaccines and gets washed out in the end, like in processing gold.

      Other vaccines (for example, influenza vaccine; tetanus and diphtheria vaccine for older children and adults) continue to be manufactured with thimerosal as a preservative— although influenza vaccine without thimerosal preservative is also available

      Also these vaccines still have toxins, the DTP, and DTaP for children,(under 6 years old), are too toxic for adults and cause brain damage in adults, so adults over 11 to 64 use dtap... The CDC says the DTP, and even more toxic DTaP are stronger for under 2 years old because the weaker immune systems needs to shocked into responding and creating the anti-bodies...they need to shock the weaker childs immune system, and this shock causes brain damage in adults?????

      October 30, 2011 at 09:15 | Report abuse |
    • dreamer96

      Trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) has recently been recommended for all children 6-23 months of age, in addition to the long-standing recommendations to give TIV to children and adults with certain medical conditions as well as older adults. Thimerosal-free TIV is not available in the United States. However, TIV is available both with trace amounts of thimerosal and with thimerosal as a preservative.

      I'll say this again, my kids have they vaccinations for school, they are vaccinated, they are not a threat to others getting sick, but many people are afraid of vaccines, go ask them why, I'm just telling that they are afraid that is why measles are showing up again in the U.S. They just think something is in the vaccines, that is causing a problem. Too many have noticed a real and sudden change in their child after getting vaccines....Go talk to them....

      October 30, 2011 at 09:23 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96

      Sorry found another typo I said

      "The CDC says the DTP, and even more toxic DTaP are stronger for under 2 years old"

      I should have written
      "The CDC says the DTP, and even more toxic DTaP are stronger for under 6 years old", I did get it right earlier in the begining of paragraph...
      "Also these vaccines still have toxins, the DTP, and DTaP for children,(under 6 years old),"

      October 30, 2011 at 10:29 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      What research do you have that shows that administering more than one vaccine at a time is harmful?

      October 30, 2011 at 10:36 | Report abuse |
    • TuneIn

      What part of "autism is NOT LINKED TO VACCINE" do you not understand? You DO realize there are unvaccinated kids who are diagnosed with autism, don't you?

      Really, why are you wasting time on this angle and not spending time looking at other causes?

      October 30, 2011 at 10:47 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      There is no link whatsoever between vaccination and autism. None. Nada. Zero. Never has been. This has been proven definitively, and has been known for quite some time. It is astonishing that there are still uninformed, willful idiots around who cling to this and refuse to learn anything new. Given the source of this misinformation – Jenny McCarthy – it seems far, far more likely that autism is due at least in part to exposure to silicon, which also seems to have the effect of diminishing the overall intelligence of adults who eagerly inject it.

      October 30, 2011 at 13:38 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96

      I love my kids, and like any parent I want them to live a long and healthy life. This is one thing you can do to help with that.
      I would like to offer some advise, just because I don't see anyone else saying this.....
      If you are a concerned wife considering having a child, and you believe all vaccines are safe, you may wish to consider the following tests:

      Request a blood mercury test from your physician before becoming pregnant. Women with a high blood mercury level who are planning to start a family may decide to postpone pregnancy for a few months until levels drop; often this occurs over a three to six month time. Also, please read: Information About Mercury in Fish

      Request an immune system test for your child before all vaccinations. This can help you and your doctor decide wheather it is safe to give your baby all the vaccines....or give them at a later date after another immune system test.

      I would like to see this done more often, and the results tracked globally..

      October 30, 2011 at 18:37 | Report abuse |
    • Dreamer96

      Do a google search on Congressman Burton Autism...

      October 30, 2011 at 19:50 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'm not TuneIn, but I'm not bothering with any site you recommend. You're beyond hope or help.

      October 30, 2011 at 20:14 | Report abuse |
  47. JIm

    It is sad that the drugs industry paid more money to these pro vaccinations people than on research ....

    October 30, 2011 at 11:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Consensus

      What "pro-vaccination people" are you referring to?

      I'm pro-vaccination, and I'm not paid by anyone. I just know better than to base medical decisions on information that's not true.

      October 30, 2011 at 11:23 | Report abuse |
  48. SixDegrees

    I'm tired of trying to reason with people who would rather take the word of a tramp with more silicon in her chest than all the aquarium seams at SeaWorld over that of a bonafide scientist. Go ahead and watch your children die horrible, lingering, painful deaths. Go ahead and die that way yourself. It's too bad, but at least we'll start purging society of the stupid.

    October 30, 2011 at 13:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • GaPeach

      Wow, angry much?

      October 30, 2011 at 13:52 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      No, not much. Just resigned. It isn't worth getting angry with those who are willfully stupid.

      October 30, 2011 at 13:55 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      That would be okay, Six, except that often the idiots kill innocents who cannot be vaccinated or whose immune systems are compromised or for whom the vaccine wasn't effective.

      October 30, 2011 at 14:04 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Then that's more guilt they can live with, assuming they're still alive in the first place.

      October 30, 2011 at 14:13 | Report abuse |
  49. GaPeach

    And BTW, Six, many people do die lingering, painful deaths. It's called cancer. Many cancers are preventable as well. Most not by vaccines, but by smart lifestyle choices.

    October 30, 2011 at 13:57 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Justme

      What degree do you have again, GaPeach?

      October 30, 2011 at 14:01 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      How does the fact that people die of cancer, of which some types are preventable, bolster your argument against vaccines, which can prevent deaths from diseases?

      October 30, 2011 at 14:09 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      There are now vaccines against cancer. Idiots, predictably, are refusing to take them.

      Not that I see what this has to do with anything I've said previously, other than to try changing the topic.

      October 30, 2011 at 14:12 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      I wonder how Peach feels about Gardasil. It can prevent infections that are the primary cause of cervical cancer as well as several other types.

      How about it, Peach?

      October 30, 2011 at 14:15 | Report abuse |
  50. GaPeach

    Just the parallel that many cancers are also preventable. Would you ever consider going up to a lifetiime smoker struggling to breathe and tell them how stupid they were for smoking? Would you tell them that their disease could have been prevented? Seems kinda cold to me. One thing is for certain in life...we're all going to die of something.

    October 30, 2011 at 14:25 | Report abuse | Reply
    • SixDegrees

      What's your point? No one's planning on laughing in the face of the dying here. We're just noting that for those advocating against vaccination, there's the added burden of having played a direct role in that death. Frankly, if it were me standing there, I'd feel compelled to kill myself knowing what I had wrought.

      October 30, 2011 at 14:35 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      That's your reasoning, Ga? Both measles and some cancers are preventable. The difference is that preventable types of cancer related to lifestyle are unlikely to affect babies and young children. Measles, mumps, and rubella can and will kill them. Are you going to tell parents of those who die as the result of the kind of misinformation you've been spreading that "Hey, we're all going to die anyway. Your kid just got to the finish line faster"?

      October 30, 2011 at 14:39 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      Some parents who are not getting vaccines for their children are very justified in doing so. Try not to lump those in with those who are not doing it because it's the "en vogue" thing to do.

      October 30, 2011 at 14:42 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      Oh? Like Kashi, who claims that the vaccine schedule is "irresponsible" and with whom you agreed completely? Based on no solid science whatsoever? Like people who pay attention to your claim that vaccines aren't tested?

      Those people?

      Of course there are people whose children cannot receive vaccines because of underlying health conditions, allergies, and other valid reasons. All the more reason that everyone else should immunize-not just to protect themselves but to protect others FROM them.

      October 30, 2011 at 14:47 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      Here's your post:

      Heck, have there even been any studies that prove the safety and effectiveness of the childhood immunization schedule as it stands now on even average-weight babies and children. I don't believe it's the individual vaccine, I think the problem lies in the barrage of vaccines a child gets in a single sitting.

      October 30, 2011 at 14:48 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      Yep, that's mine. Read the inserts of individual vaccinations and you'll see why I wrote the above. Find research that looks at the vaccination schedule as a WHOLE. Look up data regarding anti-vaccinating parents. Most of them aren't minions of Jenny McCarthy. Most of them are people of have carefully researched both the pros and cons and have made their decision. If their child got a immunization preventable disease, I don't think they'd need an "I told you so." Can children die from these diseases? Yes, but death, as horrible as it is when it happens, it is rare in most of these diseases. Most of us in the 70's and 80's made it to adulthood just fine with only the DTP, MMR, and polio vaccine. So, I don't see the point in all the extras these days. Sorry!

      October 30, 2011 at 15:00 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      Your posts are simply irresponsible and certainly not something a real "medical" professional who has done any kind of real research would publicly state. It is unbelievable that you would come on a site like this, claim to be educated as a medical professional and then state that "Perhaps it (autism) is triggered by the toxins in vaccines. Or by the huge immune reaction."

      The nonsensical post you just wrote is beyond belief. The fact the "we all made it to adulthood just fine" is simply stupidity at its most basic. People said the same moronic things about using seat belts, having air bags, and pasteurizing milk.

      "We" are the lucky ones. Those who DIDN'T survive these diseases aren't here to tell about it.

      You are a charlatan at best. I hope the moderators remove your posts from this forum.

      October 30, 2011 at 15:13 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      Not irresponsible at all. Do you really think everything is as simple as "black and white"? Do you believe that medical professionals know everything about everything? I'm not saying they are dumb by any means, but if you don't start asking some tough questions, you are the minion! I didn't say autism was caused by toxins as the above post will verify, even though there are known toxins in vaccines. And my comment wasn't stupid, it's very logical. Try unpasteurized milk sometime, it's actually very delicious. Good luck at the moderators removing my posts. Far as I know, I haven't broken any Terms of Service.

      October 30, 2011 at 15:28 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      You are practicing medicine without a license. You claim to be a "medical professional" and gave your "professional" opinion about vaccines. I believe you are lying about your qualifications. That alone should be enough for the moderators, but if it isn't, your ignorance should be quite obvious to everyone but the very dimmest. Maybe it would be best to leave your posts here as a prime example of ignorance.

      You have cited not a single study that backs up one claim you've made. Look up the site mentioned by another poster and read something that has some basis in reality. It's "antivaxflurf".

      Furthermore, your mindless drivel about how terrible death seems but how rarely it occurs is laughable. I had a close relative who died of a childhood disease that's now preventable. Her twin lived, but suffered mental retardation and was never able to live on her own.

      Funny, she had more sense than you do.

      October 30, 2011 at 15:41 | Report abuse |
    • GaPeach

      How am I practicing medicine without a license? Giving opinions is not the same as practicing medicine. It's called DEBATE. Do you really also believe everything people say on these boards? What if I said I was Elvis? These boards are meant to relay information, debate, etc. It's not a medical office! I'm so sorry about your relatives. It seems like you are definitely carrying around an uncanny amount of anger though. Maybe you should see your medical professional about that. Maybe even copy these posts to take to him/her so they can properly diagnose you.

      October 30, 2011 at 15:54 | Report abuse |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Good God, GaPeach is an idiot.

      What utter manure.

      October 30, 2011 at 21:18 | Report abuse |
    • Shannon

      OF COURSE people are angry GaPeach! The fact that you don't seem to understand why just shows how clueless you are! Every person that doesn't vaccinate their children when they become eligible is risking the health not just of that child, but of every infant or person with a compromised immune system who comes into contact with that child! Did you not read the part of this article that said 13% of the measles cases were in babies to young to get the vaccine? This is what the breakdown of herd immunity does. Not getting your child vaccinated isn't just about your child. The selfish, uninformed decision not to vaccinate could be a death sentence for other peoples' children. People have every right to be angry. More people are going to get angry as this happens with greater frequency, killing more people. These are PREVENTABLE diseases. Far more children will die from them if herd immunity breaks down than any vaccine could ever cause. And the fault lies squarely on the shoulders of the ignorant parents and idiots who spread around rumors that are have been refuted by rigorous scientific study.

      October 30, 2011 at 21:41 | Report abuse |
    • Justme

      Thank you, Shannon. Good to know there are some sane people reading and posting here to refute the idiocy of posers like GaPeach.

      October 30, 2011 at 21:56 | Report abuse |
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