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September 15th, 2011
09:49 AM ET
Would you ever swing?Ian Kerner, a sexuality counselor and New York Times best-selling author, blogs about sex on Thursdays on The Chart. Read more from him on his website, GoodInBed.
No, I’m not talking about ballroom dancing. This is a sex column, after all. With buzz-terms like “monogamish” and “negotiated monogamy” making headlines, many couples are discovering that they have a shared appetite for sexual adventure, and that getting it on with another couple may be the golden ticket – not just to thrills, but also to staying together and surviving another day in the life of a relationship. While the term “swinging” may be a throwback to the 70s and the days of Plato’s Retreat, more and more modern couples are hooking up with other couples, either informally or through networks or clubs. And, of course, like all things online, the Internet has amplified these opportunities and made it easier to find couples and clubs in a neighborhood near you. As with most sexual activities, there haven’t been many studies into the prevalence of swinging - and many people who do it don’t necessarily want to admit it - but some experts believe that there could be as many 15 million Americans swinging on a regular basis. Chances are you have a friend or neighbor who is swinging. As I’ve written about previously in this column, I often run into two “sexual types” in my work as a sexuality counselor: “comfort creatures” and “thrill seekers.” The former takes a “less is more” approach to sexual novelty, while the latter often have a “more, more, more” attitude. Usually this dichotomy isn’t an issue when two people find themselves at the same end the spectrum. For two comfort creatures, for example, swinging isn’t probably high up on their sexual bucket list, although it might well be a fantasy. Exhibitionism, voyeurism, watching a partner have sex with someone else - these are very common fantasies, and, in many cases, sharing a fantasy can lead to an actual exploration of fantasy, especially when one partner is hankering for a bit more sexual adventure. “My husband and I had some confusion that we had to get straightened out,” a client whom I’ll call Kelly told me. “I feel very comfortable in our relationship, and I have a vivid fantasy life. I think of myself as a very sexual person. But when I mentioned my fantasy of watching him get it on with another woman, he wanted to make it a reality. At least he thought he did. We perused some sites, which was fun, but in the end, neither of us decided to pursue it. It just looked too sleazy. Luckily, the subject was dropped.” But for couples with a genuine appetite (and stomach) for sexual novelty, swinging might not be a big deal and might even be a counterintuitive way of strengthening their sense of fidelity and identity as a couple. It’s monogamy on shared terms. In fact, many couples who swing together paradoxically have even stronger sexual boundaries than couples who do not. But swinging can backfire, too. I worked with one couple who liked to swing on a regular basis, but the reason they ended up in my office was because she had major problems with all of the stuff he kept to himself: flirty friendships, porn usage, his enjoyment of strippers. She had no problem with swinging, but in every other way she demanded more exclusivity from the relationship than many far less sexually adventurous women would require. From her perspective, swinging was just another way of sharing everything, including sex. And for many couples, swinging is by no means a replacement for sex; it’s an augmentation, and very different than actual lovemaking with their partner. Many couples use occasional swinging as an opportunity to jumpstart their sex life and break out of a rut. “Swinging strengthens us,” says Jenny, a mother of two. “It’s something we do once or twice a year. We enjoy the scoping out of another couple, the flirtation, the sex, but also the way we talk about it for weeks after and incorporate into our fantasy life. We love having a secret life together – a whole different community than the ones we see at PTA meetings – although we’re just waiting for those worlds to collide.” But swinging certainly doesn’t work for everyone, especially couples in which one partner is going along for the ride with another partner, like when a true comfort creature is paired with a thrill seeker. Then it becomes a form of sexual pressure, and can lead to disastrous results. And sometimes we think we know what we want, but the process of discovery has unintended results. Ken, who had to convince his wife to give swinging a go, said, “I was prepared for everything, except seeing my wife kiss another man - out of the whole experience that’s the image I can’t get out of my head: her kissing another man. The moral of the lesson for me: Swinging is something a couple should work towards in their relationship, not begin with.” Ken’s wife wanted to give it another whirl, this time with the rule of no kissing. Meanwhile, Ken wanted to drop the whole thing. Monogamy: what a concept.
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Why, you non believers, are you so threatened by what you consider an imaginary God. If you don't believe it to be real, why comment on it at all. If you don't believe in Hell or Heaven, why do you even think enough about them to respond? Do you just have a need to argue? Honestly, Religion or no religion; it's a sad time all around when nothing is special between spouses that isn't also shared with the rest of the world. If you are going to swing, why on earth did you bother getting married at all? What's the point?
And what will you do when one of you contracts a disease or gets pregnant by the wrong party? Oh, and I know you, who are smart enough to know God doesn't exist, are aware that condoms aren't fool-proof....
Why do you theists have to keep getting up in our business? If your kin wouldn't keep trying to control the lives of non-theists with guilt and government, we wouldn't think about you so much. Promise.
So Sad.......
We aren't threatened by the imaginary god....we are threatened by peopole who believe in it who want to use it to influence gov't to take away our liberties. Keep it to yourself and we will not worry about you.
To the Athiest:
If there is no God, you are right, but your life is worthless. You are merely a biological process who's entire function is to end the process and die. There is no other meaning or purpose to your, or anyone else's life.
If there is a God, you are wrong, and you will spend eternity separated from Him and His love.
No wonder so many athiests attack those who believe in a deity and any sort of afterlife. You know you can't have any, that, in your mind, there is none, so those who believe in such are fools. But, if they ARE fools, so what? In the world view of the athiest, laws are meaningless, since all current laws are based upon some religion's views. Therefore, anarchy is the only view. But, in a true anarchic culture, one view is equally as valid as another, including Christian, so to complain about another view, as an anarchist, is ridiculous, since any view is equally valid.
Ironic, isn't it?
To Consider the irony...all laws are based on religions? Really? Such as a seat belt law, or helmet law, or requirement to get health insurance? Many laws are created because lobbyist for large corporations gain influence with politicians to serve their own greedy interest.
And to say that an Atheist life is worthless because they don't share your beliefs is quite judgmental. So any good deed an Atheist does is considered worthless, yet a "Christian" is worthwhile because they read a certain book and pray to a deity, regardless of the good or bad, said "Christian" does with their life? Interesting logic.
So Sad, We feel neither threatened by you and or your god, whoever, whatever it is for one thing: your god can do nothing to me because it has no power whatsoever. You theists have problem of getting nosy into people's bedroom and lifestyle. You want to push your moral agenda onto everyone and even those who do not give a darn of it. Stay our of politics, nobody abuses you. Nobody takes your god away. Nobody stop you from worshiping your god. This is a free country. We respect individual freedom and that includes freedom to believe or not to believe, alright?
ADULT STEM CELLS CURE'S AIDS / HIV and A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS BUT WHY????? IS AMERICA BEING HELD BACK FROM THE MAJOR LEAP IN MEDICINE DOES AMERICA WANT TOO KILL YOU ??????? OTHER COUNTRIES MAKING MAJOR LEAPS INTO MEDICINE BUT AMERICA IS STILL IN THE STONE AGE WHY????? WHO BENEFITS THE FDA BIG CORPORATIONS .......???
ADULT STEM CELLS CURE'S AIDS / HIV and A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS BUT WHY????? IS AMERICA BEING HELD BACK FROM THE MAJOR LEAP IN MEDICINE DOES AMERICA WANT TOO KILL YOU ??????? OTHER COUNTRIES MAKING MAJOR LEAPS INTO MEDICINE BUT AMERICA IS STILL IN THE STONE AGE WHY????? WHO BENEFITS THE FDA BIG CORPORATIONS .......?
This is why even if there is a god, he should be admonished for breaking up the beautiful plane that was nothingness. Matter and energy themselves are an affront to this. The only recourse now, is Omnicide pure and simple. When everything is dead, and there is no heat in the universe–everthing will be better and there will be no problems. It is truly a permanent solution to a recurring problem.
Blah Blah Blah..and what will YOU do when YOUR partner brings home a disease? You act as if somehow your spouse could would and and is never going to cheat on you. If you only knew 80% of you would be very surprised. You clowns haven't a clue. What you need to do is clean up the hypocrisy in your own religion , marriages and home life and stop worrying about pothers. I dont care and neither should you about other peoples sex lives..your just the type that votes for Trump and now want to lecture people on morals ....given his evangelical backed behavior, you have zero credibility SMH
Just saying Hi to all the swinger ladies.
Oooooh yeah, giggity, giggity, giggity. 🙂
we are in a social networking revolution, it can't be compared to whatever was going on in the seventies. people are more social theses days. friends wth amazing benefits is just a latent effect of people finding and building their network.
sadly, I'm too jealous to be a swinger...doesn't make talking about it any less fun -guess that makes me a "swing-tease"?
I believe it's a given that these swinging couples eventually will divorce.
youre wrong. if anything it strengthens it. imo
I agree with dainee 100%. Would love to see a study on the divorce rate of swinging couples versus non-swinging couples.
Badonkadonk... really showed your intelligence with that line.
Your wrong, while some might get divorced the divorce rate for non-swinging couples is over 50% but for swinging couples it is under 15%. You dont get it, we have great relationships with honosty and communication. We dont cheat on each other we enjoy other couples together and have a great sex life
Society puts way too much emphasis on monogamy almost like a persons body is "owned" by another. Open up the cage and let your hair down and live a little. Seriously emotional attachment and bonding doesn't have to be directly tied to physical intimacy. All that we experience in life exists within our minds, our bodies are just the chariots. Sometimes marriages dont go as planned but its not that easy to get out of the contract. It takes a year to be divorced which is basically an eternity. sometimes dipping your ladel into another bowl of soup is just what the marriage counselor recommends 😉
yesssss. i totally agree!
I am asking for all of my lady swinger friends to report to my house tomorrow night at 7:00pm ready for action. HeeHee, Grins.
Giggity, giggity, hehe. 🙂
EWWW, IM GONNA BARF!
Been here, done that, Ian, and it ruined my marriage. Swinging is a recipe for divorce and a petri dish for STDs.
This is big show of moral absentia. And its things like this that Americans wonder why most nations hate their country. I just hope people will come to the light and saving grace of Christ.
would a couple that has tried "swinging" not be accepted by "the light and saving grace of Christ" if they wanted to, just because they have tried swinging or are interested in it? Just confused by where your going with this..
I can think of a great many other things that are far more important to the survival of the human race than this debate. I can also think of a great many things that would cause animosity towards a people (America in this case) exclusive of what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Mike, how can you be so judgmental and defensive and then use the name of the Savior to hide behind. SHAME ON YOU!
Mike- Please, man. We are not all Christians so there is no need to pray for me or anybody else. If you want to swing- enjoy and I won't judge you. If you don't same result- I still won't judge you. Why must you judge others? FYI- I think swinging does strengthen a relationship, but that's how my wife and I see it. We really don't need your input on it or your Moral Abstentia....puh-lease. Save it.
Anal cancer, lymphoma from viruses,Hep c omi!
Marriage is strengthened by sacrifices, understanding and acceptance. When you don't understand committment how will you ever be happy. Pity on those who cannot find real love and have to look elsewhere.
No need to pity us at all. We are having a great time.
I totally agree!
Yes, monkeys love to swing.
For a long time working on birth control pills, HIV-positive women were found to have a higher risk of transmitting AIDS.
President of the University of Washington research undertaken in Africa, HIV-infected women who are taking oral contraceptives and hormone injections AIDS infection risk is higher than that of women stated that such drug use. In a statement to the other, but this kind of HIV transmission for women receiving drug therapy, hormone therapy, the risk of contracting the wives of HIV-infected than women said to be blind.
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I am wonder, have you ever heard of Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah? If not I would suggest it is real person that you might want to check out..........just a suggestion.
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There sure are a whole lot of bigots commenting on this article, my question is...what brought them here...?
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My wife karen was raised as a minister daughter and lead a very protected life
when we got married she was always finding faults with her body
i got her into showing off by taking her to semi private fishing spots were she would sit toples
every time some luck fisherman would happen upon us she would get a thrill of being caught
this opened her up to more and more
we have had a few experiences swinging because of it and now after 29 years of being married i can say that swinging has save our marriage
today at 50 karen knows she is a very sexy woman
our sex life is great we act like we are still dating
what is sex?
I don't agree. Look at: http://www.rebelcircus.com/blog/science-explains-thick-girls-better-sex/ – Ladonna
My husband and I began swinging as what seemed to us to be a natural next step. We had always talked and shared our fantasies and role played. And we both had always been able to separate sex from making love, which not everyone (especially women can do. From there we got online and found Swinglifestyle.com, and created a free profile to start. We then would read other's profiles together, imagining being with the others who piqued our interest. From there we dipped our toes in and messaged some if the couples we liked and chatted on the website until we were comfortable enough to meet. The first couple we met brought us to a hotel party and we were hooked! I try to explain to those not in or new to the lifestyle that the women hold ALL the power and that for this to work in your relationship/marriage you will be forced to communicate with each other – honestly. You will have rules, but they will be fluid and change over time. For example, to start we never played alone or in separate rooms. I only talked on the phone with the females and he with the males. Eventually, we would go on to play alone or in separate rooms on rare occasions (we both REALLY got off on watching the other one being pleasured). We have made some friends who have become closer than family, some even moving into our home to help me care for my husband while he was dieing of cancer, so I could keep him at home instead of hospitalizing him. Swinging is not for everybody, but don't knock it if you haven't tried it!