A tiny life lost to whooping cough
October 22nd, 2010
01:25 PM ET

A tiny life lost to whooping cough

Whooping cough is a rather mild-sounding name for a disease that can kill a baby before it’s even diagnosed.

Ten infants in California have died since the first of the year in an outbreak of whooping cough, whose proper medical name is pertussis. Many Americans think of it as a disease of the past, but nearly 6,000 cases in California  and more nationwide suggest otherwise.

Although California has had the highest number of whooping cough cases this year, other states are seeing slight increases. And Michigan has been watching a rise since the second half of 2008, which continues, according to the CDC. By Aug. 15, Michigan had seen 610 pertussis cases, compared with 902 for all of 2009 and 315 cases in 2008.

Daryl and Felicia Dube of Lancaster, South Carolina, became all-too familiar with the disease this year. Their baby son, Carter, came down with pertussis in January.

Whooping cough explained

Carter, just 5 weeks old, developed a low-grade fever one day and was unusually fussy but didn’t show any other obvious symptoms, said Felicia Dube, 35. She called the family’s pediatrician, who told her it was probably nothing serious but had her bring him in that same day to be sure. At the office, the doctor became concerned about the baby’s rapid breathing and called an ambulance to take him to a hospital in Charlotte, North Carolina, about 30 miles away.

Things only got worse at the hospital over the following days as Carter’s eyes rolled around, he grew weak and irritable and he refused to eat. His heart started racing but his blood pressure was puzzlingly low.

Then the coughing started.

“This may sound strange, but the sound of it was like listening to a man, a smoker, cough,” Felicia Dube said.

Listen to what whooping cough sounds like

Carter was coughing so hard that it would make his feet come up in the air. It hurt and made him cry, which made him cough more, his mother said.

When the infant could not catch his breath and turned blue, he was rushed to the pediatric intensive care unit and given a high concentration of oxygen. Test results hadn’t come back yet , but doctors believed he had pertussis and aggressively treated him with antibiotics and sedatives.

“He wasn’t responding to anything,” Dube said.

After several frustrating days as Carter got worse and worse, surgeons hooked him up to a respirator. When that didn’t help, surgeons implanted an extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) machine, which takes over the work of the heart and lungs. Large tubes came out of Carter’s neck, routing his blood through a bedside machine.

“They tried to prepare us for it, but you’re not prepared to see that,” Dube said. “… Once they did that to him, we couldn’t touch him, so I couldn’t hold him.”

WATCH: Why it's important to protect against pertussis

And it wasn’t enough. Nine days after coming down with a 100.1-degree fever, Carter Dube died. Lab tests finally confirmed the pertussis diagnosis two days later.

“They did everything they could for him,” his mother said of the doctors and staff at Levine Children’s Hospital in Charlotte. “They tried. They cried as hard as we did.”

At 5 weeks, Carter was too young to have received his first pertussis vaccination. Because bad weather had kept the family from traveling since he was born, the infection only could have come from the parents, 10-year-old brother, Zach, or the pediatrician’s office, Dube said.

“It’s a horrible guilty feeling as his mother – I’m the one who’s supposed to protect him, and I could have been the one who gave it to him,” she said. “… That’s something you just don’t shake.”

Dube has become an advocate for adult pertussis booster shots to protect babies through what’s known as “cocooning.”

Why are parents skipping vaccines?

“Nobody should have to watch what we watched,” she said.

soundoff (894 Responses)
  1. Julie

    Valerie, pertussis is NOT "common". It had become UNCOMMON thanks to vaccines, but now all the "granola mammas" who are so convinced that vaccines are evil have stopped vaccinating, it's making a comeback. This woman kept her baby at home, didn't you read the story? He was 5 weeks old, and got it from one of two places–her home or her pedi's office. What else would you have her do?? Good grief, this is a tragic story, but somehow you managed to twist it to fit your ridiculous crusade against vaccinations. People who don't vaccinate their children are the reason illnesses like this are making a comeback. I have an 8 month old who is peacefully sleeping, who has had every single shot she needs to keep her healthy. I cried for this woman, I cannot imagine losing my beautiful child to an illness that could have been prevented. I would imagine there is only a small percentage in which the pertussis booster does not work, so cocooning would have more than likely helped and made a difference, perhaps even preventing the illness altogether if the baby got it at home. If she got it at the pedi's office, then it was probably thanks to someone who decided not vaccinating their baby was a smart thing to do. Either way–a vaccination would have prevented this from happening. PERIOD.

    October 22, 2010 at 13:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Alexandra

      It's such a tragedy that this happened and that it will continue to happen. I know even educated people who are not vaccinating based on continuously rejected and flawed studies. I cried for her too. This should not be happening when we have the tools to prevent it. All this worry over vaccines when there are people dying everyday in America and the rest of the world from preventitive diseases due to a lack of availabilty of vaccines, or complete stupidity.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:04 | Report abuse |
    • Anna1228

      Julie, you do relise that the majority of the time that an infant contracts pertussis it's from an ADULT, someone who more than likely didn't realize that they require a booster for the vaccine they received as a teenager. The vast majority of children are vaccinated against this. Please stop blaming parents for this. I have had my MMR and it's subsequent booster and have NO immunity to measles or mumps, and in order to get any I would need get the disease itself.

      A lot of times pertussis only presents (initially) as a cold in an adult. Maybe that's where this baby got it from.

      While you may have vaccinated your baby against everything, be aware that no vaccination grants 100% immunity, so your child very well may NOT be immune to some of the VPDs she was vaccinated against.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:08 | Report abuse |
    • Lindsey

      It is very true that kids most often contract pertussis from adults, and adults should be mindful and get their boosters. Just because they might not be 100% effective, it is better than no defence at all and if every person was vaccinated and had their boosters, the risk of an outbreak in the population would be extremely low.

      Car safety devices such as seatbelts and airbags are not 100% effective, but should I get into an accident, I would rather have them in my car than no protection at all. Just something to think about.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:15 | Report abuse |
    • Genevieve

      Let's get real. Vaccination should be EVERYONE's "agenda." Please take a look at the hard science before you comment. Have there been children injured by vaccines? Sadly, probably yes. For each of those children, have there been literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of children's lives saved? Unequivocally, undeniably, yes.

      October 22, 2010 at 16:00 | Report abuse |
    • Dale

      Julie, according to the CDC it is Common. Vaccinated people can still catch it, and pass it on. "There is newly emerging evidence that some strains of the bacteria that cause pertussis have become resistant to the acellular version of the vaccine which is leading to a rise in the incidence of whooping cough in the wealthy countries that use it[13]."
      ^ http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2010/02/whooping-cough-evolves-to-esca.html
      Not granola moms, but just that pesky evolution popping up.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:06 | Report abuse |
    • IndependantThinker

      "55 (85.9%) of these children had been fully immunised"...

      Whooping cough in school age children with persistent cough: prospective cohort study in primary care

      There you go for those who have blind faith in vaccination program...

      October 22, 2010 at 17:26 | Report abuse |
    • sharoom

      So what if you are a carrier? If you aren't displaying coughing fits you are not nearly as contagious as someone who has manifested the full blown disease. If anything, vaccines help prevent you from becoming a high transmission risk.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:27 | Report abuse |
    • D. Tooley

      I would like to say that vacinations do not always guard against this whooping cough. My oldest daughter had it twice, even though she was vacinated, up to date. My second daughter, also vacinated caught whooping cough, gave it to oldest sibling (hence the 2nd time) also, to the older babysitter. So just to let yous know, even with vacinations, is not a sure thing you or kids will not get this. With many "dead" moments through this trying time with whooping cough, as it can last for 6 months, we all made it, it is possible to get it with or without vacinations. Just wanted to clarify this.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:39 | Report abuse |
    • Leb

      Valerie, Most cases presented before the Vaccine court regarding autism are tossed out to lack of evidence or any non-causal link. Should we place blind faith in vaccines? No. But vaccines do protect. This kid was too young so we won't know if a vaccine would have made a difference.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:40 | Report abuse |
    • Sumi

      I cried too. This is the saddest story I've ever read. God, my heart aches for this precious baby and his family. I have a 12 week old and it would kill me if anything happen to him, God forbid.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:47 | Report abuse |
    • TJ


      What are you talking about? Do you even understand how vaccines work? By injecting you with MMR, they've given you the virus and thus allowed your immune system to simulate having the infection. You've already been exposed.

      Seriously, google what the vaccine is before commenting. My god people.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:55 | Report abuse |
    • Eeyore

      Thank you, Julie. I am so fed up with people like Valerie. How can ANYONE look at that picture and not feel a deep sadness that the baby in it might not have died had the people who had contact with the child been responsible and been vaccinated. I don't care what excuses you people use, you're a menace.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:03 | Report abuse |
    • TJ


      Brain damage?

      Got any studies? MRIs? CAT or PET scans? Anything at all actually? No, I thought not. Just gibberish and rantings of a crazy person.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:15 | Report abuse |
    • Cassandra

      To the mother who lost a son.. I'm sorry. I lost my first son to preterm labor.. I understand this pain and please don't blame yourself. There's a lot of people out there that could have prevented it with the vaccine. Blaming yourself will do nothing but destroy you and your family. May he rest in peace, and may the parents who continue to lose babies find peace... and may the death toll stop.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:16 | Report abuse |
    • TJ


      No honey, they can't get it by coming in contact with vaccinated person because they can't be a carrier. It's spread by coughing and nasal drippings.

      How, exactly, is that going to happen by someone who has been vaccinated?

      October 22, 2010 at 18:18 | Report abuse |
    • Ed - Spring, TX

      Too bad there are so many gullible people who believe this nonsense about vaccinations causing problems. There have been so many credible studies discounting this junk. This is causing more and more problems like this to arise.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:21 | Report abuse |
    • kayh

      People that have been vaccinated can carry any virus or bacteria. Even vaccinations pushers admit that people who have been vaccinated can get the illness. People that say vaccinations are safe have not looked at the flawed studies that use a sample group of a handful of people. I know from person experience when I received the Hep B vaccine at age 13 and was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis soon after. This is a horrible story, but can happen to anyone that has been vaccinated or not when you have an infant of this age.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:55 | Report abuse |
    • al

      Julie You sound like a parrot just spouting out the same stupid things you have read or heard from Big Pharma... TO point out you obvious flaw is how often you try to blame this on unvaccinated people even saying maybe some child at the doctors office was unvaccinated. Then why didn't that child get it and die?? The fact is vaccines do NOT do all they claim to do. Many times when these diseases sweep through an area it is the vaccinated people that get it and pass it on. That IS A FACT, do some real homework before you try to disprove it. Here is why this article is really in the news. It has nothing to do with saving more babies. But soon the greedy vaccine manufacturers will try and convince adults to get more vaccinations so they can make more money and then guess what, babies like this will still die but they won't report it because the media is mostly propaganda.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:58 | Report abuse |
    • Anna1228

      @TJ – I am very well versed in how vaccines work, TYVM. I have had my titres drawn and show no immunity to either mumps or measles DESPITE being vaccinated. No vaccine is 100% effective. My body was unable to make antibodies for measles and mumps via the vaccine, however I am immune to rubella. My doctor was the one who suggested that I would have to actually contract either disease for my body to mount the proper immune response and create antibodies.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:02 | Report abuse |
    • Amanda

      Pertussis IS extremely common and vaccinated people get it AND carry it ALL the time. Their vaccinations only decrease the effects of the pertussis on that person. The illness ends up being like a normal bronchitis in that person. The vaccination does NOT stop people from getting it nor does it stop them from carrying it and infecting others, such as this little baby in the article. It is not just the un-vaccinated who are spreading pertussis, it is also the fully vaccinated.
      Those ARE the facts. Period. For crying out loud, look up the facts people!

      October 22, 2010 at 19:44 | Report abuse |
    • missourimommie

      Here here Julie. I couldn't have said this better. I have tears in my eyes. I can't imagine the pain those poor parents went through. God send that no other baby or parents must suffer like this. This family is in my thoughts and prayers.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:59 | Report abuse |
    • Nancy

      my deapest sympathy for your loss I pray that God heals your every sorrow but know that everything has a purpose so don't loose faith you are touching millions of lives thru this.

      October 22, 2010 at 20:11 | Report abuse |
    • Melissa

      Amen Julie! As a registered nurse I once worked for a brilliant pediatrician who would not even allow un vaccinated children in his practice. The physician who started the whole MMR/autism thing was stripped of his medical license. Wake up people! Vaccinations save lives.

      October 22, 2010 at 21:30 | Report abuse |
    • Teresa

      @ Valerie I have a child with autism and your logic is flawed. I am a member of several support groups that include many children with autism whose mothers did not vaccinate them. I chose to vaccinate my children and not risk a preventable death. It is irresponsible to think that you have found the cause of autism , I wish it was that simple!

      October 22, 2010 at 22:16 | Report abuse |
    • molly

      Valerie, don't vaccinate your kid. I will not weep for them or with you when they pass. I will just shake my head and say " that could have been prevented". For all you other parents out there, ere on the side of caution and get your child vaccinated. Why would you take the chance that your childs death could be your fault!

      October 22, 2010 at 23:13 | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Everyone is missing the boat on this one. The child was too young to be vaccinated because he was only 5 weeks. You get the first vaccine for whooping cough at 2 months and no earlier.

      October 22, 2010 at 23:34 | Report abuse |
    • CJEH

      Valerie, and the rest of the people parroting:: THERE IS NO SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN CONNECTION BETWEEN AUTISM AND VACCINATIONS. It has been DISPROVEN time and time again. And I say this as a parent with an ASD child, and the aunt of a child who spend days in the ICU from pertussis.

      October 22, 2010 at 23:59 | Report abuse |
    • ronvlaz

      Whooping cough was no longer a threat inside the United States because of regimented inoculation program. Now since an influx of people from mexico and 3rd world countries, US citizens and US children are being exposed to a myriad of diseases that are no longer common in the USA. Doctors now have to diagnose and treat symptoms outside the box meaning they have to include testing for diseases from neighboring or 3rd countries as well. Who knows the next Pandemic is just a cough or sneeze away!!

      October 23, 2010 at 01:02 | Report abuse |
    • Cristi


      No one is "missing the boat here". Before expecting or even while pregnant a woman is suggested to get vaccinated for Pertussis.... Did you read the "cocooning" part?

      "Women of childbearing age who might become pregnant and who have not already received Tdap (vaccine against Petussis, Tetanus & Diphtheria, commonly given together) are encouraged to receive a single dose before the possibility of conception."

      "Vaccinating pregnant women with a single dose of Tdap MAY provide a degree of protection against pertussis to the infant in early life through transplacental maternal antibody"

      October 23, 2010 at 01:26 | Report abuse |
    • Wow

      (85.9%) of these children had been fully immunised with vaccines it still didnt help, they make it sound like its just parents who dont want to get their kids pumped full of that crap.

      October 23, 2010 at 06:10 | Report abuse |
    • Valerie

      Teresa, I did not say vaccines cause autism, I said that there are currently approximately 5,000 cases in the vaccine court right now. It is a fact that vaccines cause damage in some children, it says it right on their labels. Even CNN published an article this year about how combining shots increases risk of seizure. I also have a child with ASD, but I'm not blaming vaccines. It doesn't mean I don't think there are harmful ingredients in them. There are even bad batches at times. It's all a risk.

      molly, I have vaccinated my children and will continue with the next one. Not all vaccines, but most. Good reading comprehension, though.

      October 23, 2010 at 06:34 | Report abuse |
    • Ann-Marie

      Julie, isn't it amazing that this turned into a fight about vaccines and whether or not they cause autism, etc? If there was a point to this story, it is really that adults need to keep track of their own vaccination records, and make sure they are up to date.
      AND, pediatricians need to remind parents to do so, because we aren't going to think of it on our own. We have way too much on our minds.

      October 23, 2010 at 10:11 | Report abuse |
    • Constantine

      this is so sad– and had no idea this was even possible

      October 23, 2010 at 10:34 | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      If people choose not to vaccinate their children then that is their choice. They should not be forced by the government and call be called names like "Granola". It is 100% true that there are MANY chemicals in vaccines that NOONE knows the long term effects of. We in this world continue to try to make ourselves indestructible. That thought process is pure ignorance. Healthy living is what is the cure to all of this. Eating healthy, exercise, knowledge and a CLEAN environment. Vaccines are a bandaid on the problem. I have not read one person here talk about what the source of the problem might be. Arguments for or against vaccines are futile until we try to fix the source. Pharma companies are in the business of treating symptoms for profit and we all know that. Many doctors are amazing but many more are getting the same BS info on vaccines that the public gets. The only difference is they are getting perks fro big pharma to spread it. The FDA has a horrible track record when it comes to approving drugs and vaccines and then back tracking. Our government and others around the world have withheld vital health information from the public over and over. Do your research and not just take the advice of your family doctor. Educate yourselves or one day our government will be making yet another apology. Then everyone will cry foul and sue saying they did not know the effects of what they were being given.

      October 23, 2010 at 10:42 | Report abuse |
    • A Kay


      We can say so under the crest of "SCIENCE" because it's been tested and examined and tried. That's how "SCIENCE" works. Continuous rejection of an idea after it's been thoroughly tested and rejected isn't "caution," it's foolishness.

      That said, I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding about vaccines. They are not so much a "defense" against disease as an active "offense" against disease. Vaccines can be used to eradicate diseases (successfully with smallpox, close for polio, recently also with rinderpest), and eradication is the ultimate prevention.

      Vaccines as defensive tools for individuals, such as the flu vaccine, are actually somewhat debatable, though studies have shown that it's still worthwhile in that particular case.

      October 23, 2010 at 11:13 | Report abuse |
    • Stuart

      Parents have an excellent choice before them: don't vaccinate early ( although you can delay the schedule until the child reaches toddler age as they do in Japan)and risk possible illness that may not be serious, or vaccinate according to the Dept of Health and risk autism. Our medical profession at its knowledgeable best.

      October 23, 2010 at 12:36 | Report abuse |
    • DN3

      To Valerie: I completely agree with Julie. Although some patients (very few) get negative effects from vaccines, they very rarely lead to death. The evidence is overwhelming that the overall benefits of vaccinations in society outweigh the risks and that is what it comes down to. Compare how many children might get sick from the vaccine and then how many people get sick from the disease and/or die from the disease. In addition, many studies and reviews of studies have indicated no llink between vaccines and autism. Many 'mdeical' studies on this topic are highly flawed. And you have to be careful who you listen to on the subject. Just because a celebrity like Jenny McCarthy sayts it's bad doesn't mean it is. Is she a medical expert? Is she associated with the CDC? Because a TV show or talk show host says vaccinaes are bad doesn't mean they are. If you are so worried about risks, then I would avoid medical care altogether since there are risks. I am shocked as to how many people are ignorant of the concept of risk: benefit ratio. Please get informed and God forbid one of your loved ones dies from a preventable disease.

      October 23, 2010 at 12:44 | Report abuse |
    • Prov-401

      I totally agree with you Julie. Vaccinations are very necessary for babies. After reading this, my thought is maybe babies could get vaccinations before leaving the hospital. The minute that they walk out of the hospital, they become vulnerable to so many different things(germs and diseases). This is a very sad story. My heart goes out to the mom. It's sad for her to blame her self. I don't think there is anything that she could have done different. I pray that her pain for this loss eases.
      Julie, thank you for in dept response. I could not have said it any better 🙂

      October 23, 2010 at 12:51 | Report abuse |
    • V

      Thank you Julie! Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children are irresponsible and should be thrown in jail or reported to the health board as a threat to public health. The greatest thing to prevent childhood diseases are vaccines. Just go talk to your grandparents and ask them what is was like when polio broke out in their communities. Sadly vaccines do hurt a small fraction of the people immunized, but the benefits far out weigh the negatives. And for the love of god, vaccines DO NOT cause autisim.

      October 23, 2010 at 12:58 | Report abuse |
    • midnitejax

      I have to say that international travelers that come and go everyday have been carrying in viruses and diseases that were all but totally erradicated from our society. You have children of illegal immigrants that attend public schools even though the parents or the children have never been innoculated to diseses and viruses ever. The two I mentioned are both excellent examples of laboratories for spreading contaminants thru the air and bodily contact. People are leery about innoculations due to the pharmaceutical giants that promote drugs like candy with side effects that look like they are worse than the symptoms they are to relieve. I seem to recall that we all were innoculated as kids from the Small Pox. Now as it turns out the lifetime innoculations have worn out, and we are once again susceptable to this dreaded illnes that killed so many. So now you tell me........given what I have stated here, do you think these people are crazy to withhold thier loved ones from these treatments?

      October 23, 2010 at 13:11 | Report abuse |
    • Carml.

      Julie is so right. Nothing is ever 100% guaranteed harmless but my God you are losing tiny babies to a heartbreaking illness that MIGHT HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. Do we really want to start seeing measles...polio...and other horrors again? There is always room for simple common sense and the time to start is now.

      October 23, 2010 at 13:14 | Report abuse |
    • Wow

      85% of these cases were kids that were already vaccinated so there was no preventing it.Thats something to think about

      October 23, 2010 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
    • Jack

      Pertussis is transmitted by adults. Adults don't whoop. They get long "colds". Granola moms and childhood vaccination are not the culprit.

      October 23, 2010 at 13:32 | Report abuse |
    • Barb in FL

      Such a sad story. My heart goes out to that family. When I was 3 months old I contracted whooping cough. Would not be here today if my mother's step-mother had not come by the house at the right time. I was turning blue and could not catch my breath, the step-mother grabbed me and threw me down hard on the bed–my mother nearly fainted–but at least I was finally able to breathe. This story was related to me by both my mother & step-grandparent. I am 74 yrs old now and both my Mother & her step-mother are long gone. Vaccines were unheard of back then. Only smallpox was vaccinated against, that I got when I was about 3 or 4 yrs old. My 3 kids were all vaccinated with everything available at the time. Although they all 3 got measles and mumps and chickenpox. Now of course there is a vaccine for all childhood diseases. Thank God for the people that found cures by vaccination, especially Dr Salk for the polio vaccine!!

      October 23, 2010 at 13:47 | Report abuse |
    • ksm70

      Julie, My child was 8 years old and FULLY vaccinated when she got this horrid cough. Many people that have simple cold symptons may actually have pertussis. We have no idea were she contracted this disease but she coughed so hard that is burst the blood vessels in her eye. She appearred to have a black eye. She coughed for nearly 6 months. Her younger brother who was also fully vaccinate got it too. I would have never known that he had it, he only had mild cold symptoms but because he had been exposed I took him to the doctor. The vaccine is not 100%. Many adults' immunization to this disease has worn off thus spreading it. Some people have classic symptoms other have cold like symptoms. I had done everything I needed to do to protect my child and the vaccine failed.

      October 23, 2010 at 13:51 | Report abuse |
    • Kim Genovese

      Julie, granola mom's aside, the real threat to our country and our childrens' health is coming form the huge numbers of illegals coming from all over the world, bringing diseases which have not been seen n the country in 50-100 years. For that reason alone granola moms should be rushing to get the children vacinated.

      October 23, 2010 at 14:07 | Report abuse |
    • Susan

      Right on Julie, I had a relative of my mom's describe what her baby sister went thorugh when she dies from it. Her comment to me was, "The benefits outweigh the risks." I agree and have had all my children vaccinationed all their lives. I even had my redone a few times. It's worth the life it saves!

      October 23, 2010 at 14:31 | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      Carter, the boy mentioned in the article, was too young at 5 weeks to have the vaccine. It is not available to infants under 8 weeks. So VACCINATION COULD NOT HELP HIM!

      October 23, 2010 at 14:48 | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      @Jim Going by some numbers others have thrown out about 85% of the kids were immunized against whooping cough. Given the herd immunity level for whooping cough sits around 93-94% while the kid himself couldn't have gotten immunized his life *could* have been saved by immunization.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:41 | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      @Ben Your logic is flawed. Since no vaccination is 100%, it would not matter if 100% of the population were vaccinated – Carter would still be at risk. If a child is too young to be protected the blame lay squarely on those who through action or inaction exposed Carter to the virus.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:48 | Report abuse |
    • jayman419

      This child was 5 weeks old. They don't start getting their shots until 6 months. Because prior to that, they receive antibodies from their mother's milk.

      Adult vaccination for pertussis is approved by the FDA, but there are not yet any guidelines for its use and this is probably not something that the mother ever discussed with her doctor. If she had gotten a booster, and breast-fed her child, she could have prevented this.

      But this is not something that she should have known. This is something that her pediatrician or family doctor should have known. It should be discussed with all women prior to pregnancy.

      There WERE problems with the whole-cell vaccine, which have since been remedied. This is not common-enough knowledge when you have idiots like Jenny McCarthy out there. You can't blame the illegals, either, because Mexico has a free vaccine program for all of its citizens.

      The problem is that immunity due to the vaccine only lasts for a few years, and a majority of our population has not received a booster.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:54 | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      @ Jim :
      Herd immunity more refers to the rate of spread of disease being slowed or halted because of a high percentage of individuals having some degree of immunity to it. Even if the vaccine doesn't operate at 100% by degrading or lessening cases it still acts to slow down the spread of the disease. By having our vaccinated level about 9% below the herd immunity threshold we're only guaranteeing outbreaks of whooping cough such as these.

      As an interesting point of some of the major diseases halted or removed due to vaccination (Smallpox, Measels, Mumps, Rubella, Polio and Dipitheria) whooping cough's transmission method gives it the highest required vaccination level to attain herd immunity. The implications of the whooping cough outbreak compared against falling vaccination levels is frightening.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:56 | Report abuse |
    • Lola

      This can not be blamed on people who chose not to vaccinate their children, so way to throw those parents under the bus. Breastfeeding is a newborns best defense since they are too young to receive these vaccines. Who decides what is a "safe" age to receive vaccines? Maybe the standard vaccine schedule is not good for all.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:57 | Report abuse |
    • fynalexander

      It's just plain disturbing how brainwashed so many of you are. You actually believe studies done by drug companies that claim their billion dollar industry is safe. It is so much easier to let someone else think for you. Vaccines contain mercury, formaldahyde, anti-freeze, aborted fetus cells and viruse–among other things. If I gave you that crap in a glass would you drink it? Ithink not.

      October 23, 2010 at 17:35 | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      If I handed you a tuna fish sandwich would you eat it? Hope not because its got more mercury than a vaccine does.

      October 23, 2010 at 17:38 | Report abuse |
    • Christy

      Julie, we have a 4-month old also peacefully sleeping right now. She also has had every vaccine she's supposed to have up to this age. I can't agree more with every word of your post. My heart also aches for this mom. I had tears rolling down my cheeks by the time I finished the article. We need to stop the spread of this scary stuff. We need to have our children (and adutls) vaccinated!!! I have to be honest, I had my doubts about vaccines like many parents do when you hear all this media hype making vaccines sound scary, but when the pediatrician said the risk of NOT vaccinating is MUCH higher (and scarier) than any risk of vaccinating, we agreed to getting her vaccinated. He said that if we only saw what he has seen when children get these illnesses that come from not being vaccinated, we wouldn't think twice about getting our daughter vaccinated. Thank you for protecting your daughter. In doing so, you are also protecting the children around her.

      October 23, 2010 at 21:16 | Report abuse |
    • Improve Concentration

      This is such a tragedy

      Improve Concentration

      October 30, 2010 at 14:58 | Report abuse |
  2. Tom

    Valerie - should our children stop getting smallpox vaccines too? How about measles, polio, and the plethora of other diseases we had stopped worrying about? If you're against scientific progress you should stick with something safer to our children, such as creationism.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lillian

      You're kidding, right? We DON'T vaccinate for smallpox, and haven't for years.

      October 22, 2010 at 23:14 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      @Lillian-The reason there is no vaccination for Small Pox, is because the disease was completely wiped out years ago. That's why it is no longer offered.

      October 23, 2010 at 12:30 | Report abuse |
    • Lillian

      @DM – yes, I know that smallpox was wiped out, which is why I was laughing when some other rocket scientist in this thread said that diseases that were wiped out can come back, so we need to keep vaccinating for things like polio and SMALLPOX!

      October 23, 2010 at 12:44 | Report abuse |
    • DaveInWa

      you are incorrect, the only flu immunization to contain thimerisol is the inactivated influenza which is not the one recommended for children under 6 years of age, and even then there is a thimerisol free version in limited supply

      October 23, 2010 at 12:52 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      @Lillian-Smallpox (also called variola) is the only disease that has been completely wiped out throughout the world. Smallpox is also potentially one of the most devastating biological weapons ever conceived.

      Due to the success of an intense worldwide public health initiative, not one documented naturally occurring case of this highly infectious, deadly disease has occurred since October 26, 1977. (An unvaccinated hospital cook in Somalia was the last person to naturally contract smallpox.) The World Health Organization (WHO) officially declared smallpox ERADICATED in 1980.

      Therefor, since 1980 (30 years) there is NO vaccine for this disease, because it's gone.

      October 23, 2010 at 12:58 | Report abuse |
    • Lee Morgan

      And yet less than 10% of the world's population were ever vaccinated against smallpox, so there must have been other factors involved. Most smallpox deaths in the 19th century were actually caused by the vaccine.

      October 24, 2010 at 08:53 | Report abuse |
    • DaveInWa

      Actually smallpox is making a resurgance of late and the military is starting to offerit again, I believe it is only a matter of time till it is again an offered vaccine. the world is growing smaller and while in the 50s we did not have to worry about what was happening in africa or asia now someone can contract some tropical disease and before symptoms develope he can be walking in times square sreading it to the masses. VACCINATE PLEASE

      October 23, 2010 at 12:35 | Report abuse |
    • IxNay

      no, smallpox is not making a resurgence. there have been no cases of smallpox since about 1970.

      October 23, 2010 at 13:29 | Report abuse |
    • Crystal Palmer Bull

      Many studies (outside the US) are now finding proper nutrition as more protective against disease than most vaccines.. the science is there.. its just what science you read.

      Google Ebola and selenium and it will blow your mind what the human body can fight off if we have adequate mineral levels...
      read up on the terrain vs the germ theory.. once you open your mind you will never see things the same again. Modern germ theory was recanted by its own pioneer on his death bed. Why do you think all this "mineral exploration(exploitation) is so important? The soils are depleted , the land needs these minerals already for our food to grow.. we will deplete the land more and more.. those minerals are the very survival of us as humans. Every farmer knows this.. and every American should as well.

      October 23, 2010 at 11:42 | Report abuse |
    • eeyore

      Crystal Palmer Bull, you've got the perfect last name. Your posts are nothing but bull, piled as high and deep as any. Go ahead and get yourself exposed to Ebola, and while you're at it, Marburg. I'd love to see the results.

      You talk a good game. Too bad you're an undereducated ninny.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:06 | Report abuse |
    • qwerty

      u need to stop being so ignorant and shutup eeyore,\and learn the facts!

      October 23, 2010 at 15:53 | Report abuse |
    • eeyore

      qwerty, maybe you can show me which of these facts I am unaware of: Question: Do Vaccines Contain Aborted Fetal Tissue?
      Some parents reject vaccines on the basis that vaccines might cause autism. Some parents reject vaccines on the basis that vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue. Is this really true?
      Answer: Vaccines contain no aborted fetal tissue.
      But there's more to the story.

      Some vaccines, including the Mumps Measles Rubella (MMR) vaccine, contain killed viruses. The viruses are cultured in aborted fetal tissue. Regarding the MMR vaccine, the CDC states:

      The rubella vaccine virus is cultured in human cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions in the 1960's. No new fetal tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or in the future. Fetal tissue is not used to produce vaccines; cell lines generated from a single fetal tissue source are used; vaccine manufacturers obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks. After processing, very little, if any, of that tissue remains in the vaccine.
      So if there is any tiny residual cellular material in a vaccine, it is from cell lines. Although those cell lines originated in aborted fetal tissue decades ago, there is no aborted fetal tissue itself in the vaccine.
      For those who are still uncomfortable with this revelation, it might be helpful to know that the Vatican has actually taken a stand on the issue. The Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life issued a statement in 2005 saying that it is wrong to make vaccines using aborted fetal tissue and that such practices should no longer be employed, however, it is acceptable to use vaccines developed from abortions that were carried out decades ago, because immunizations play a vital role in protecting life by preventing illness and death.

      In part, when referring to concerns over the production of vaccines, the academy states: "...the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population – especially with regard to pregnant women."

      The Catholic Church and others concerned about the use of aborted fetuses in the development of vaccinations support alternative vaccines that have been prepared using animal as opposed to human tissues and cells. In some cases such alternative vaccinations are already available. If you want to learn more about alternatives or have specific concerns, contact your pediatrician for further information.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:58 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      Do you abuse your children, if they are wrong about something, and call them stupid idiots as well? You seem to have to really strive to prove your point here. It seems that no one can make a comment, without you throwing insults at them and calling them names. You have no problems throwing out your "macho" attitude here. I think we are all pretty fed up with it.

      October 23, 2010 at 16:03 | Report abuse |
    • eeyore

      DM whines:
      Do you abuse your children, if they are wrong about something, and call them stupid idiots as well?

      So you're admitting you were wrong? You admit that you were incorrect in stating that vaccines are made from "aborted babies"?

      No, I don't call children "stupid". They have an excuse for their lack of knowledge and judgment. You don't.

      October 24, 2010 at 13:36 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      @Eeyore-Your still here? Uh, NO I'm not admitting anything. I'm not wrong, I'm right. You are the one that seems to have issues being wrong about everything.

      Yes, you are right, children do have a excuse for their lack of behavior. I have 5, so I ought to know a lot about children. You came on here, to get under everyone's skin. You sit and tell me that I'm a danger to the people on here. You have no right to say that about anyone, because you don't know anyone here.

      I get the feeling that you are a very insecure, person. Because you are constantly on here putting people down, insulting people, INCLUDING Carter's mom. What kind of a person does that to a woman who lost her baby? You are an insensitive jerk!!! I have a great deal of knowledge about children, because I'm a mom. You told me that you don't smoke pipes. Apparently you've never heard of a catch phrase. You are a BULLY!! I'm just curious, are you a man or a woman? Your acting like a self righteous know it all male!

      Do you always throw insults at people, when they don't agree with you? I have not changed my stance on vaccinations, and a person like you has no power over that. You are full of it!

      October 24, 2010 at 16:07 | Report abuse |
    • eeyore

      DM, did your doctor tell you that Varicella vaccines were made from "aborted babies"? If so, he or she is a charlatan. And you, my dear, are to stupid to be giving any advice to others on this topic. Can I stop you? No. But I can ridicule you so that no one will be misled into believing your false claims.

      October 24, 2010 at 17:52 | Report abuse |
    • qwerty

      everyone's fed up with you and ur insulting

      October 23, 2010 at 16:09 | Report abuse |
    • Carter's Mom

      @ Eeeyore again let me state that this story doesn't have anything to do with what vaccines are or are not made out. Focus on the story and shre you opinion about the story but please go some where else to hurl insults and prove or not prove what vaccines contain.

      This story IS NOT asking for children to be vaccinated or even placing the blame of Carter's death on his brother. We are speaking out to make parents aware that there is a Pertussis booster for parents, called a TDAP shot.

      October 23, 2010 at 16:16 | Report abuse |
    • eeyore

      Felicia, I'm well aware of the purpose of the story and am extremely sympathetic to your cause. I am fully in favor of the TDAP booster, and have already gotten mine. I will not, however, even for the sake of staying on-topic, allow misinformation and lies to be posted unchallenged. DM is undermining the very cause you espouse, and harming others. Furthermore, you don't get to decide what others post on a public site, regardless of the subject of the story. If you don't care for the commentary, then don't read it. It is not yours to censor.

      October 23, 2010 at 16:21 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      @Eeyore-HOW DARE YOU!!!! I will not allow you use me as your punching bag! I am not undermining anyone, nor am I harming others. I'm stating a fact. YOU HAVE SOME NERVE!!! Do not insult me!!! I a mother of 5 children, and have had all of them vaccinated. You tell Felicia she doesn't get to decide what others post. YOU don't get to insult, degrade and belittle everyone, because they don't agree with you. I've done my reserach as have others, and I DON'T appareciate you badmouthing me. You are a jerk! How dare you post such a comment to a mother who lost her son. She's right you are here for the wrong purpose. You are rude, and bully. You are insenstive and cruel and everyone is sick of readin your garbage!

      October 23, 2010 at 17:13 | Report abuse |
    • eeyore

      You don't speak for everyone, dear. You are peddling misinformation about vaccines when you falsely claim that the products of abortion are used in their manufacture. You are, by doing so, in all probability, causing others to avoid vaccinating for chicken pox. If you don't like being confronted on your false claims, then don't make them. I will continue to ridicule those like you who are inept at research and incapable of good judgment when it comes to evaluating sources. Don't like it? Tough toenails. This isn't your tea party and you don't get to decide who says what.

      October 24, 2010 at 13:22 | Report abuse |
    • Carter's Mom

      I do realize that it sn't mine to sensor. I am reading it beacause some people have left very nice comments baout our story and have also shared their own battles iwth Pertussis. I don't see the purpose in grown adult hurling insults at each other over who is right and who is wrong. But again everyone has an opinion, This is the first ime Carter's story has been published on a site that allows opions off subject. I will remeber that the next time we are contacted.

      October 23, 2010 at 22:47 | Report abuse |
    • eeyore

      Felicia, if your goal is to provide accurate information and encourage parents to have their children immunized for diseases like pertussis, chicken pox, measles, mumps, and rubella, then the person you ought to be confronting is DM. Telling people lies about a vaccine by claiming it is made from "aborted babies" is irresponsible and dangerous. It is just as harmful to others as claiming that vaccines cause autism and that they aren't effective in preventing pertussis and other diseases.

      I don't owe DM a thing but the scorn she richly deserves, and her constant bragging about her 5 children who are vaccinated as if they're some sort of badge of honor is just silly.

      October 24, 2010 at 13:33 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      @eeyore-Wow, you are really full of yourself aren't you? What I've stated about vaccinations is very true. Others, not here have concurred with me. MOTHERS that have had their kids vaccinated against these diseases, know what I'm talking about. I don't need any lessons from a jackass like you, because I know about childhood vacciations. I have 5 CHILDREN, YES I HAVE 5 CHILDREN, who have had all of them!!! I've done my research about Varicella and the use OF aborted babies to make the vaccination. I'm not lying to anyone here nor am I hurting anyone, but you are because of your attitude towards everyone on this post. Why don't you just get lost?

      Felicia, if your goal is to provide accurate information and encourage parents to have their children immunized for diseases like pertussis, chicken pox, measles, mumps, and rubella, then the person you ought to be confronting is DM. Telling people lies about a vaccine by claiming it is made from "aborted babies" is irresponsible and dangerous. It is just as harmful to others as claiming that vaccines cause autism and that they aren't effective in preventing pertussis and other diseases.

      I don't need accurate information about vaccinations, because I get that info from my doctor. I don't need a jerk like you telling me what to do.

      You owe everyone here an apology for acting like a self righteous jackass. How dare you attack my children! Who in the hell or what in the hell are you? I'm not looking for a badje of honor. I have knowledge, simply because I'M A MOTHER. You are the one who needs to apologize to everyone on this post, for your insults, etc.

      Did your mother drop you on your head when you were child? I think your brain needs some therapy. You are rude. I'm very proud of my children and any mother who is proud of their children, talks about them. You got a problem with that, then GET OVER IT!

      October 24, 2010 at 16:17 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      @Felicia-I tried to find you on FB, but had no luck. I'd like to get to know you better. There are a lot of Felicia Dube's on FB. I don't know which one you are.

      October 23, 2010 at 17:35 | Report abuse |
    • Carter's Mom


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    • Justin

      @Crystal Palmer Bull:
      Do you also think the world is flat?
      That's about the level of idiocy you're presenting by trying to deny germ theory.

      October 23, 2010 at 19:12 | Report abuse |
    • Improve Concentration

      This is why things need to change.

      Improve Concentration

      October 30, 2010 at 14:59 | Report abuse |
  3. Lindsey

    Guess parents of newborns should stop going to work, and stop sending their older kids to school, and not go to the grocery store, etc. Really, if you want to take that approach, it is far more fair to the general population to keep your unvaccinated children locked up so as not to risk the lives of other people's kids and stick to risking the lives of your own.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Improve Concentration

      This is an interesting point of view – different from most others

      Improve Concentration

      October 30, 2010 at 15:00 | Report abuse |
  4. Valerie

    Tom, nowhere did I say not to vaccinate, I was simply pointing out CNN's propaganda. Sad baby death story #257 in the last month designed to drive the masses to get boosters. Yes, horrible things happen; yes, there is a resurgence of Pertussis recently, even in my own state, which is not California. But it has always been around, it never went anywhere. I'm going to have a baby in a few months and you can bet that I will be keeping it away from the pediatrician's office unless absolutely necessary until it is able to be vaccinated.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:13 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LKB

      You should also only see a ped who has two waiting rooms - a well baby room and a sick baby room. And avoid the ER unless it's a true emergency. Make sure anyone who comes in contact with your newborn has been vaxed.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:08 | Report abuse |
    • Quizzle

      To Valerie, who says pertussis has "always been around – it never went anywhere", I offer this graph - you know, EVIDENCE:

      Now, see how it's going back up at the end? That's because of stupid/misinformed people not getting vaccinated. People need to learn the concept of HERD IMMUNITY. It means that if not enough people are vaccinated, the probability of disease propagating due to increased likelihood of infected persons coming into contact with non-immune persons increases. Every person who ignorantly chooses not to vaccinate increases the probability of an epidemic. Also I want to correct her incorrect information that vaccinated persons being carriers. You can only be a carrier by contact (like if you touch a doorknob and then pick up your child), but you will not spread it by say, coughing on your child, if you are vaccinated, whereas if you are ill because you didn't vaccinate, you can spread it with every breath. Bottom line: everyone needs to be vaccinated and wash their hands regularly.

      October 23, 2010 at 17:45 | Report abuse |
    • Nadine

      Okay, so you choose not to vaccinate your child against pertussis. Then you will live the with consequences of that decision when that unvaccinated child contracts the disease and spreads to other family members, including yourself. You will also have to live with the very likelihood that without proper medical diagnosis and swift medical intervention your child will die from pertussis. Many of today's younger medical professionals do not know the symptoms of pertussis and may not easily diagnose its symptoms in time to provide prompt medical treatment. Therefore you will live with the agony of listening to your unvaccinated child and the family members whom that child infected whoop, hack, gag, and vomit for days and weeks on end. Then there are medical complications from pertussis which are but not limited to pneumonia, herniated discs, ruptured spleens, and acute muscle spasms in the diaphragm. All this which costs thousands of dollars in medical expenses which very few of us can afford. That is little in comparison to watching a child die due to callous arrogance of individuals who refused vaccinations. An ounce of prevention IS worth a pound of cure.

      October 23, 2010 at 17:59 | Report abuse |
    • Improve Concentration

      i didnt see anything about not vaccinating!

      Improve Concentration

      October 30, 2010 at 15:01 | Report abuse |
  5. Kevin

    Don't let anyone cough near them? Brilliant!! A much better idea than a vaccination. I nominate you for the nobel prize.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:14 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Caral from SoCal

      particularly when you consider that it is very contagious before the cough really appears.

      October 23, 2010 at 17:36 | Report abuse |
    • Improve Concentration

      and live in isolation

      Improve Concentration

      October 30, 2010 at 15:02 | Report abuse |
  6. Valerie

    Lindsey, if you haven't received a booster in the last five years, then you are probably spreading it to other people.

    Kevin, babies can't be vaccinated in the first 8 weeks, what would you suggest to do during that time frame?

    October 22, 2010 at 14:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Improve Concentration

      Yup – time for another

      Improve Concentration

      October 30, 2010 at 15:07 | Report abuse |
  7. Lindsey

    Had them all before I got pregnant, not even 3 years ago.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Improve Concentration

      Good to hear!

      Improve Concentration

      October 30, 2010 at 15:08 | Report abuse |
  8. Valerie

    It seems there are too many people willing to jump the gun and declare people who believe vaccines to be neurotoxic as irrational, or some other description. Vaccines can be both beneficial and neurotoxic at the same time. But as for this article, it is a designed PR piece, offering very little in the way of factual information and meant to trigger an emotional and erratic response to go out and get vaccinated. Tell me, then, did it work on you? Will you get one in the next week? Or will you take no action except to chastise others in the comments section?

    October 22, 2010 at 14:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dea2

      I make sure mine are up to date every year. I get my flu shot and any others I need every fall when I have my annual check-up. I now work in a school and make sure I have the lowest chance possible of catching anything from those kids, or passing anything to them.

      October 23, 2010 at 03:58 | Report abuse |
    • Dea2

      this was supposed to post as a reply to Valarie

      October 23, 2010 at 04:00 | Report abuse |
    • Suzanne

      Got vaccinated 2 weeks ago at the age of 62, no ill effects

      October 23, 2010 at 15:12 | Report abuse |
  9. Valerie

    Lindsey, I am glad to hear that you got it before becoming pregnant. It doesn't mean you're not still a carrier though, if it should pass through. It just means that your reaction to it would be less significant or non-existent.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:28 | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Lindsey

    And I appreciate the fact that when babies are born they are too young for vaccinations, which is why I hope that people who aren't too young to get vaccinated do so. As a soon to be mother, wouldn't you feel safer knowing that the people you and your family come into contact with have some level of protection from various diseases so you don't have to worry as much that your child might become one of these "heart wrenching" pieces of propaganda?

    October 22, 2010 at 14:29 | Report abuse | Reply
  11. Wdrad

    Poor little guy

    October 22, 2010 at 14:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • thinlady

      Whose little life could have been saved with one small shot.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:43 | Report abuse |
    • RAM05

      thinlady, the baby wasn't old enough to get the vaccination. Children must be at least 2 months old before DTP immunizations are started.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:48 | Report abuse |
    • Constantine

      What – so how do you prevent it?

      October 23, 2010 at 10:35 | Report abuse |
    • A Kay

      You prevent it by getting rid of the disease in the first place.

      Disease has to spread through vectors, and in this case the vector was an unvaccinated child.

      Frankly, I think the parents the parents of the unvaccinated child should be liable for criminally negligent homicide, but that's kind of an extreme view.

      October 23, 2010 at 11:17 | Report abuse |
    • katiemidd

      hey A kay! thats my cousin and i promise you child has never been loved more by a family what happened to him was simply a tragic accident! so for you to say they should be charged with a crime is so ignorant and cruel! so think twice before you speak! especially when you have no idea what you are talking about! this was me putting it nicely. if i said what i i really felt it would be a lot uglier. how dare you!

      October 23, 2010 at 13:15 | Report abuse |
    • Kam

      A Kay it was NOT from someone who was unvaccinated it was from someone who was already vaccinated but didn't have a booster. I agree with vaccinations, but I don't agree with unvaccinated people unfairly getting blame for something that they didn't do. Let's deal with facts here.

      October 23, 2010 at 13:39 | Report abuse |
  12. Penny

    We all have a responsibility to protect the most vulnerable members of our community. Vaccination is an important responsibility for adults and for children. I am not currently pregnant, but I am planning to conceive (hopefully) in the next several months. Before I started, I made sure my vaccinations were up to date, this included getting a DTap booster and a flu shot. My hubby did the same. We are encouraging all of our relatives who might have contact with an infant to get vaccinated. So, encourage your friends and family to get their vaccinations up to date – be responsible.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • al

      Then you just did the worse thing you could do. All that garbage in the vaccines will be passed on to your child. This whole mentality that somehow those that are not getting vaccinating are somehow responsible makes no sense at all. Just think for a moment what you people are saying. If the vaccine was so great then what would it matter if people did not get vaccinated, they would be the only ones that got sick and in this case also babies before they can be vaccinated. What you are saying is that a few people can start an epidemic even when everyone else is vaccinated. That makes no sense at all if the vaccines really work. The fact is, it very likely was a kid that was up to date with their shots but they still caught this and passed it on. When things sweep through a school it is NOT the unvaccinated only that catch it. In fact, usually over 80 to 90% are those that were vaccinated and up to date. That IS A FACT. And so how can you put so much faith in shots that don't work like they claim?

      October 22, 2010 at 19:08 | Report abuse |
    • Lisa

      Penny, having a baby is the best thing ever! I wish you the very best! That said, do some more looking into vaccines, what can it hurt? Good luck!

      October 22, 2010 at 20:45 | Report abuse |
    • sickofmedialies

      Hope you don't end up sterilized from the shot
      Microorganism The bacterial toxin of B. pertussis
      Recommendations 3 i.m. injections at 0, 6, 12 weeks (but not more than 10 weeks) in children 15 months to 6 years of age
      Ingredients Aluminum hydroxide, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Thimerosal, Pertussis toxin, Filamentous hemagglutinin (FHA), Aluminum phosphate.

      Polysorbate 80 also called tween 80 is a sterilizing agent. Good luck with that.

      October 23, 2010 at 00:20 | Report abuse |
    • Dea2

      Penny, you did one of the best things you can for your future baby. The mother's immunities are what helps protect newborns in the first few weeks of life, especially breastfed babies. I wish you the best.

      October 23, 2010 at 03:19 | Report abuse |
    • Constantine

      Hmm – not sure there is a clear answer

      October 23, 2010 at 10:41 | Report abuse |
    • Anne

      Born in 1996 and 2000 in Los Angeles, my sons got every vaccination available to us. The next best thing I did was get them out of Los Angeles. They are healthy and happy boys. Those of you who think you are above vaccinating your children can do what you like, but you have to understand that you are putting everyone else and them at risk by allowing your children to be vectors for disease. It IS your choice. I chose to keep my kids safe. I don't regret it.

      October 23, 2010 at 11:58 | Report abuse |
  13. Parlemort

    Life is a tragedy with tiny bursts of joy. Children do not ask to be born, just like you and I did not ask to be born. Who do we think we are bringing innocent babies into this tragic existence? Shame on the idiotic human race! Good day.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • stu

      It's all God's will... haha.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:39 | Report abuse |
    • Renee

      So your idea is to not reproduce so the world can die. Your a selfish little person, aren't ya.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:19 | Report abuse |
    • Roger Blatto

      Parlemort, when I read your statement I feel sorry for your parents for ever coming together and bringing you into the world. The world obviously has shown very little if any love to you during your sad days on this Earth. With comments like that, it shows that you burn with hate towards life itself. Some hearts break when they read a story like this. Others continue on there hurtful way. I pray you find the love you so desperately need.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:29 | Report abuse |
    • Parlemort

      I was raised in a loving family and I have my own loving family. When I hold my children in my arms and feel their hearts beating, along with the joy they bring me I am also overwhelmed with the sadness of knowing that my children will eventually die, hopefully peacefully after long and happy lives, but they will die nonetheless. In a way, by bringing children into life we parents also sign their death warrant. It's horrible. Who do we think we are? Renee, the world won't die without humans around to pollute it. Only the selfish human race will die and that would be just fine. Yay for Mother Nature! Good day.

      October 23, 2010 at 09:25 | Report abuse |
  14. nikki

    Uh, ya, there should be something to get more people to vaccinate. DONOT listen to Jenny Crazy McCarthy.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:31 | Report abuse | Reply
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  16. Kate

    No, it is NOT "very common", although it's beginning to be, simply because parents refuse to vaccinate their children. By vaccinating your child, you're protecting not only them, but everyone with whom they come into contact. The chances of a child dying of pertussis are far greater than any chance they may suffer from a vaccine.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:33 | Report abuse | Reply
  17. A Mom

    How irresponsible of you. First of all, life isn't as easy as "keep the baby home". How about trips to the pediatrician?

    Secondly, did you even read the article? Parents and older siblings can carry viruses and bacteria into the house, despite the best hand washing efforts. Which leads me to my third point, again asking if you have comprehension issues: the baby was too young for the pertussis vaccination.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:33 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. George

    Valerie, the death of this child and a bunch of other kids are squarely on the heads of you anti-vaccine Luddites.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • denise

      Go George! Agreed. keep your UN kids away from mine please!

      October 22, 2010 at 17:49 | Report abuse |
    • gadzilla

      Okay, I just read what Valerie has been writing. She is NOT anti-vaccination. No, she is not. She does not want to take her soon-to-be-born newborn out for the first eight weeks due to the baby being unvaccinated. She has been saying she wants to avoid exposing her baby to pertussis, and avoid exposure to UNvaccinated people.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:26 | Report abuse |
    • Mom of 3

      Valerie also thinks there is some huge conspiracy behind the story. She thinks CNN posted the story to push their "own personal propaganda" – whatever that might be. The fact that Valerie thinks this is a little scary. If you have read all of the posts from Felicia Dube then it should be clear that they did the interview in order to make people aware that there is an adult booster vaccine and we should ask our doctor about it. Of course even getting this booster is not a 100% guarantee against transmitting the disease but it could help some people. No hidden agenda.

      October 22, 2010 at 23:56 | Report abuse |
    • Crystal Palmer Bull

      maybe you need to wake up... didn't the government give people STD's .. didn't they just say last week .. our bad? Don't you remember Willow brook in Staten Island where researches fed hepatitis poo to pediatric mental patients to give them hep on purpose to watch them ??? Maybe you should line up like sheep and do whatever your told... maybe Darwin was right.

      October 23, 2010 at 11:46 | Report abuse |
    • DM

      @gadzilla-Okay, I just read what Valerie has been writing. She is NOT anti-vaccination. No, she is not. She does not want to take her soon-to-be-born newborn out for the first eight weeks due to the baby being unvaccinated. She has been saying she wants to avoid exposing her baby to pertussis, and avoid exposure to UNvaccinated people.

      First of all, the pediatrician will tell the mother to make an appointment for the newborn to be seen 2 weeks after delivery. To keep a newborn isolated from the world for 8 weeks, can actually be bad for that child. At a newborn’s 2 week appointment he/she will be weighed and measured to make sure that he/she is growing the way he/she needs to be. When your newborn is weighed, the nurse will have you take his clothes off to get an accurate weight. The nurse will lay your baby on the table and measure his/her length and his/her head circumference will be measured while you hold him/her. Most newborns lose weight AFTER they are born, which is also common. This first visit to the doctor is VERY important for the new baby. Keeping a baby home for 8 weeks, is unrealistic, and could potentially harm that child. Woman breastfeed, because of the antibodies that are in the breastmilk, that help a newborn with it's immunity. An unexposed newborn is more at risk of developing an illness than an exposed one. If they are never out in the world, they will never build up an immunity in their bodies. Every child that is born, is exposed from the moment they leave the womb. Newborn well checks have been around for years. As Felicia said, her son was exposed to Pertussis at home. Valerie is being over protective and paranoid. Putting her newborn in a "plastic bubble" for 8 weeks is just not common sense. What will she do when she has to send her child to school, with a bunch of other sick kids, with colds, etc? Keep that child home, until every one of those children is healthy? NOT going to happen!

      October 23, 2010 at 12:44 | Report abuse |
  19. nortel1

    I'm glad CNN does stories like this because alot of adults don't realize you need boosters or when you need boosters and of what....and alot of insurances don't pay for them either (Blue Cross) and I've never had a doctor suggest any vaccine but a flu shot. But with a new little one due to our family, maybe we should double check who actually needs what.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:35 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. Debra

    I think it is unfair to categorically condemn CNN for the value of this story as some sort of brainwashing tactic! This is an instance of enough infants in one area who are dying of the same disease! Is that not important enough? Of course it is common but for some reason more babies are dying from it. It is always better to be informed as parents than not. If Moms and Dads want to take the chance let them after they are educated as to the current situation.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:35 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. Sy2502

    Parents whose children die of a disease for which vaccinations are readily available should be held criminally responsible.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Mike

      you're an idiot. read the article. the child was too young for the vaccine.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:41 | Report abuse |
    • Michelle

      Actually there are no laws forcing anyone to vaccinate. However if a Dr. or nurse comes at your child and tries to force him/her to be vaccinated they can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Just read the latest with the H1N1 vaccines. They have been banned in China due to a "batch" of injections that irrefutably gave teenagers narcolepsy. And I personally know a baby happy wonderful 18 months old and two days after vaccines....stared off and empty and GONE FOREVER! No baby changes that fast. No one is against vaccines. We are pro safe vaccines. Take the "crap out"!

      October 22, 2010 at 14:51 | Report abuse |
    • Human77

      Michelle – China . I wouldn't trust them to make pudding, let alone a vaccine ! Do you not remember the infant formula or pet food death scandals?

      October 22, 2010 at 15:17 | Report abuse |
    • Christine

      LOL Mike

      really read!

      October 22, 2010 at 15:23 | Report abuse |
    • Renee

      You can prove the baby got it from the parents?

      October 22, 2010 at 17:20 | Report abuse |
    • Tracey

      Sy, does it hurt to be that stupid?

      October 22, 2010 at 17:21 | Report abuse |
    • TJ


      Children get inherited immunity during their first 6 months. So yes, hold the parents responsible.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:56 | Report abuse |
    • Justin

      Google "herd immunity".
      Adults need to get vaccinated to protect those who can't get vaccinated because they're too young or immunocompromised etc.
      The lack of biology/pathology/statisics education evident in many of these comments is astonishing. Perfect evidence of those news reports about how behind the US is on math and science.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:26 | Report abuse |
    • fam1130

      Mike , as Carter's mom, please go back and read the story. Carter was not old enough for the vaccine !! We buried him a week before his doctors appt to have his first set of vaccines. Please read the story before you suggest criminal charges.

      Thank you,
      Felicia Dube

      October 22, 2010 at 23:54 | Report abuse |
    • sickofmedialies

      You are crazy, criminally responsible because of nature? Vaccines are not 100 percent so you are just crazy.

      October 23, 2010 at 00:22 | Report abuse |
    • Constantine

      yes – read the full article

      October 23, 2010 at 10:42 | Report abuse |
  22. Lindsey

    My daughter is 19 months old, both of her parents are completely up to date on the vaccines recommended by our family doctor, and she is also up to date on all her vaccines. Should she still end up contracting a disease for which she has received a vaccine, then I will still know that I did everything in my power to prevent it happening to her and to everyone else in the population. I don't see why you are so against all of the vaccine-promoting articles when you yourself plan on getting your baby vaccinated. I would rather it be promoted than hushed up, because maybe it will make some people think. Good luck with the rest of your pregnancy. When you have your child, you will understand even more why people like me are so vocal about vaccinations, because the thought of losing a child is only surpassed in intolerability by the reality of that happening. Good luck.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:38 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. Lou

    A word of caution, my son was vaccinated (on schedule) and still came down with whooping cough at the age of two.......Parents NEED to get booster shots for themselves to aid in protecting the children......We were lucky and our son survived.......but only by MY FIRM and Final (at day 70 of cough) request did his doctor finally order the test on Whooping cough, which came back positive and the correct antibiotics were prescribed…..over 100 days went by before he started to get better. I know what the parents went through and my heart goes out to you for your loss…..

    October 22, 2010 at 14:38 | Report abuse | Reply
    • gary

      Lou, Thank you for sharing you comments and story

      October 22, 2010 at 15:07 | Report abuse |
    • Sisucas

      Antibiotics are worthless for treating whooping cough once the cough has developed. The only possible benefit is during the initial phase where only a runny nose, cough and low-grade fever are present. By the time the cough develops the body has cleared the bacteria and is left suffering from damages inflicted.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:37 | Report abuse |
    • Cheryl

      Lou, I agree with you 100%. My employer is offering the dTap (Diptheria, Tetanus and Pertussis) vaccination and I'm getting vaccinated next week. I don't think parents realize there are vaccines for them to get also, let alone just for their children. That aside, this little baby dying is such a tragedy and the parents are not to blame, he was too young to get vaccinated. The parents are suffering horribly. May they find peace.

      October 23, 2010 at 15:21 | Report abuse |
    • Lisa

      Lou, the pertussis vaccine does NOTHING to prevent the transmission of pertussis. I can't believe people don't know this. You can vaccinate yourself to the gills, still get pertussis, and still pass it on to others (which actually increases the transmission rate since the infected person doesn't know they're sick and won't take extra precautions to prevent passing it on to others). I repeat – the pertussis vaccine WILL NOT PREVENT TRANSMISSION. Its only purpose is to lessen the effects of the disease in vaccinated individuals. If someone is too young to get the shot, having their parents get the shot won't help one little bit.

      October 25, 2010 at 12:22 | Report abuse |
  24. Heather

    He was a beatiful, beautiful baby. A terribly sad story.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:38 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. stu

    heartbreaking. sure is a good thing people are afraid to be immunized.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:39 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. Kristina

    Valerie, as you will be having a baby, the smartest thing you can do is get your Tdap vaccination before you discharge from the hospital. And your family members should as well, and yes: keep the baby home until he gets his Tdap at 2 months. This is recommended by the CDC, and the resurgence would not be so prevalent if we were vaccinationg ourselves properly. Best of luck on your new endeavors!

    October 22, 2010 at 14:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  27. Mike

    I doubt it's a coincidence that California is one of the state's where there is a resurgence and I would guess that it is at least in part related to a reduction in the number of parent's choosing to vaccinate. Also, I believe they have started including a booster with other vaccines - I think tetanus - to try to increase the number of people getting boosters.

    Oh, and Valerie, since you are pregnant you should understand that you HAVE to take your kid for appointments at the peds office in the first 8 weeks of their life. So being there with them is unavoidable.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Marian

      There is a booster with tetanus, the problem is...that's a 10 year vaccination, and the whooping cough booster is 5. Unfortunately people think they don't need one...until there's an outbreak. Which is why whooping cough has predictable outbreak cycles. =\ Soon this will all fade, and we'll see it again. And again. And again.

      I also suspect CA has a higher outbreak not just because of morons who don't vaccinate, but also our weather which doesn't keep people indoors during cold & flu seasons.

      October 22, 2010 at 15:50 | Report abuse |
    • Valerie

      Yes, everyone knows that doctors and nurses come to your home and force you at gunpoint to get in the car and drive to their office for an appointment.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:55 | Report abuse |
    • kayh

      Have you thought that it might be the extremely high rate of immigration in California from countries where this type of thing is prevalent?

      October 22, 2010 at 18:59 | Report abuse |
    • Justin

      Just wait until polio starts making a resurgence thanks to these lowered rates of vaccination.
      You people won't even know how good you had it until it's 1870 all over again.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:28 | Report abuse |
    • Valerie

      Ah, good ole 1870. I remember it like it was yesterday...

      October 23, 2010 at 06:39 | Report abuse |
  28. Valerie is a MORON

    1) Pertussis is NOT common.
    2) The article states that the baby could only have caught it from his parents or brother.
    3) They were NOT vaccinated, they picked up the illness and spread it to their baby, who died as a result.
    4) How about offering condolences and heartfelt sadness for the family's loss, you inconsiderate witch.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  29. Valerie

    All of my children have had all of their vaccinations, so anyone calling me anti-vax is clearly showing their bias.

    Keep your kids at home, do not take them to the pediatrician, and for god's sake, try to keep them away from your older children until they can get their vaccinations. Then, after they have been vaccinated, pray that it actually worked for them.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:41 | Report abuse | Reply
  30. Steve

    Not to point fingers...does the increase in any of these forgotten diseases have anything to do with illegal immigration? I never see this discussed by the experts...must not be a cause.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:42 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Wdrad

      In southern and central Florida we are seeing mosquito carried diseases that are being brought in from illegal immigration. Scientists actually can trace the introduction of AIDS to America from illegal haitain immigrants in the 1960's.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:46 | Report abuse |
    • Christine

      Well I wondered that too.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:57 | Report abuse |
    • Mary

      Wdrad you have no clue what you're talking about. The first known case of HIV was in the Congo, in Africa. There's no evidence at all that it came to the US by way of Haitian immigrants, let alone by *illegal* Haitian immigrants.

      October 22, 2010 at 15:31 | Report abuse |
    • Renee

      you have a good point, but it doesn't have to be just the illegal ones it could be the legal ones as well.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:24 | Report abuse |
    • TJ

      Dunno. Is Jenny McCarthy an illegal Immigrant?

      October 22, 2010 at 17:58 | Report abuse |
    • NYC MOM

      According to an article in a major magazine– forget which one - that I read several years ago, AIDS was most likely introduced into the US by a flight attendant who had relationships nation-wide. He was not an American, although I don't remember his nationality; he may have been a Canadian. One of his contacts was Haitian, which the article said was probably how the virus entered that community. AIDs originated in Africa, where it had been around for decades before beginning to spread. In these days of rapid global travel, it's difficult to contain new bugs, particularly those like AIDS that have long incubation periods. I doubt that whooping cough is being spread by vaccinated parents, because the incidence of whooping class dropped as more of the population became vaccinated. Probably the resurgence is due to a mutated virus and more people w/o vaccinations. My son, now 21, was vaccinated - I never had a qualm, and don't now, that this was the right choice. The risk of vaccination has never been substantiated by "real" science, whereas the risks of disease are apparent from the tragic story told in this article.

      October 22, 2010 at 22:03 | Report abuse |
    • Chris R

      Are disease introduced by illegal immigrants? Maybe, but in the case of Mexican immigrants probably not. mexico has one of the highest rates of vaccination in the world. In fact, vaccination is compulsory there and the health services will go to the remotest village to innoculate children. A good number of diseases are actually introduced by legitimate foreign travel. If your mom goes to Bangalore and isn't up on her vaccinations its possible for her to pick up an infection and bring it back with her. Likewise, vistors from other countries, on perfectly legitamte travel, can bring infectiosn with them. I wouldn't blame illegal immigrants as there is more than enough legitamate travel to account for everything we see.

      October 23, 2010 at 12:59 | Report abuse |
  31. Drinker

    Tom, while I do not disagree with you entirely, our children are not vaccinated for small pox.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:42 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. Lisa

    Valerie – I get what you are trying to say but babies need to go to the doctor's 10 days after birth for a weight check and jaundice check, then again at 1 month and finally at 2 months they can start receiving their vaccinations so you can't just keep your child locked up in the house away for everyone and everything until they are 2 months old. The only options we have left as parents is to vaccinate ourselves, our other children and practice good hygenie to keep from spreading this disease (and others) to our newborn.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:43 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. Bregan

    Tom, you are a moron.... blinded by those that rule you. Vaccines are good, but not always... don't always listen to what people tell you. You live in a world where corporations rule, and so does money. Not the voters, like you think.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:44 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Christine

      Everyone knows that not all are good but most are.. and honestly.. HOW do we stop them from ruling us???? Its the way it is.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:55 | Report abuse |
    • TJ

      There is good and bad in medicine. Vaccines are an attenuated virus and there is always a risk when using them.

      The thing is, it is a much greater risk to society in general to NOT use them. Many more people, especially children, will die if idiots decide to do without. We are talking communicable diseases here. Only fools go unvaccinated.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:00 | Report abuse |
  34. Tonic

    There are no tiny lives. Well, maybe microbes.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Renee

      wrong part of the story to focus on,

      October 22, 2010 at 17:26 | Report abuse |
  35. Christopher

    Don't worry, Valerie can put her own baby through her theory. It's amazing that diseases I heard about in the 1970's are making a comeback and if you don't want to protect others through a herd immunity, STAY HOME!! And rightly so, my middle son attends a charter school and there are plenty of "educated granola types" that we suffer from time to time, and we found out when we took our then newborn to school to drop him off -there were parents that opted out of the vaccination requirement. OH GREAT -Thanks to a possible Typhoid Timmmy, who knows what he could have caught.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Christine

      UGH! Tell me about it! My question is why cant they look at themselves 9 times out of 10 EVERYONE our age was immunized (Im 34) and we are all fine. I think the worst things I got was chicken pox and mumps. and of course the flu duuuh..
      I mean now at least our kids are getting more vaccinations than we did which is much safer than we had it!

      October 22, 2010 at 14:53 | Report abuse |
    • Valerie

      Both of my children have had all routine immunizations. Good job jumping to conclusions, though.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:57 | Report abuse |
  36. Michelle

    What an adorable baby. So very very sad.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:46 | Report abuse | Reply
  37. timd

    Go CNN! Keep on cranking out paranoia and propaganda for your corporate handlers. Don't think you are any better than F0x because you aren't. You are both prostitutes – you just have different pimps. I'll be turning elsewhere for my news while you and AC/DC360 keep to fluff stories.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:46 | Report abuse | Reply
    • TJ

      Take a microbiology course and then come back and comment.


      October 22, 2010 at 18:01 | Report abuse |
  38. Janna

    I guess until they can change our genetics to protect us against these diseases, then we will have to scarf down medicine. I kept my babies home as much as possible. You know, it's become so popular to have your family visit you in the hospital right after birthing the baby that your baby could become ill the day after it's born. We have a baby in the hospital for safety, yet we introduce them to germs right away. Sometimes babies die. It's horrible, but it won't stop. They didn't have to show the babies face on this article either. I could believe it if you'd given "baby boy" or "baby girl" with no spacific names. There is no privacy or respect for the dead.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:47 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. Amanda

    This is a very sad story, and no one ever wants to hear about the tragic death of an infant or child, especially when the death could have somehow been prevented. But let's stop playing the blame gap. Vaccines are NOT safe, and it really goes beyond questions of autism and aluminum. EVERY vaccine carries some risk, and contains questionable ingredients that some parents really would rather not inject into their children's bodies. I always find it funny though, that people attack each other over this issue. Where are the vaccine manufacturers??? Instead of blaming each other, we should all be asking them why they don't make a product that's safer. In no other industry would you expect the consumer to just pay up and shut up, and buy your product if they don't like it and don't think it's safe. Instead, the manufacturers (aided by the government, and by "news agencies") scare the masses into submission, all the while telling us just to trust them that their products are safe, as they continue to churn out new vaccines for "fatal" diseases like chicken pox and shingles.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:48 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DBINVA

      What do you base your "facts" on? Do you have any proof that vaccinations are not safe? Or is it merely anecdotal evidence? I have three kids who are adults. They had all their vaccinations. One is in grad school, one is in college, the youngest is in high school–no adverse reactions, no autism, no problems. You may say that vaccinations are unsafe, but you can't prove it. However, this story is proof that whooping cough can be very serious. And you may not think chicken pox is fatal, but it can be extremely dangerous to children–or adults–with other health problems. Besides, who wants to go through the misery anyway? All I ask is that you sequester your unvaccinated children from the rest of us.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:19 | Report abuse |
    • Alicia


      I am interested to know if you know someone whose child was inherently affected by vaccines or if you are just jumping on the bandwagon with everyone else. Do you have kids? If you do, I feel sorry for them and their lack of vaccines for diseases that killed thousands of people and are now on the rise because of people like you. Nobody has ever been able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that these vaccines are causing autism and other problems.

      I was vaccinated routinely, mu husband was vaccinated routinely, and my daughter was vaccinated routinely and we all survived.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:04 | Report abuse |
    • RobKMD


      You are part of the problem with face. Blistering ignorance in the face of scientific fact. Vaccines are safe. Why do you think the children born today are expected to have a lifespan of 100. It's primarily due to vaccines and advances in medicines. Everything you state about vaccines is wrong. Read about Dr. Wakefield and the fraud he committed against the world. Read about how autism rates are the same among vaccinated and non vaccinated people.
      Autism has a genetic basis. That is absolutely clear. Anymore unsubstantiated claims are harmful and should be kept to your self until you can create a study and verify your claims as doctors and scientists do.
      I guess polio, hib menigitis, measles, rubella, pertussis, diptheria and pneumococcal infections have gone done by 90% because of "luck".
      Give us all a break and read a book. It's better than the internet garbage you are reading.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:07 | Report abuse |
    • al

      This is not a reply to Amanda but it is for all the idiots that replied to Amanda. First, for the facts that vaccines do damage people. Why don't you guys really Google it yourself, skip the paranoid sites and just go to actually medical sites and you might even learn that indeed there is a government agency that pays parents for when this happens. Second, to the idiot poster that said she should sequester her children up. WHY?? If your vaccine is doing what they claim what do you fear from non-vaccinated people. Of course, the fact is most people that catch it and pass it on ARE vaccinated people. So something wrong with your magic bullet shots there.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:13 | Report abuse |
    • drqns

      @al – Yes, vaccines do carry risks, but the benefits far outweigh those risks....it really bothers me when people like you shoot their mouths off and don't know what they're talking about.

      October 22, 2010 at 19:43 | Report abuse |
    • Lisa

      It is such a hard decision to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. I've read studies that show if you have 10 flu shots in your life you're guaranteed to get Alzheimers from the accumulation of toxins adding to the neuritic plaques in your brain, not to mention the increased incidence rates of MS and Parkinsons (and yes, autism), that have to be caused from something. (I love hearing, "but I had shots and i'm fine... but are you/will you really be fine into older age?) I'd like to believe that vaccinations are for the "greater good" but the reality is that society is ruled by agenda and is money driven. The force of lobbyists and pharmaceuticals is undeniable. Government has no choice but to propel public policy because they don't have the money fund research to dispute "experts" and as we all know the FDA is failing miserably. CNN is a money making machine and is subject to advertiser influence. When was the last time you watched a major news channel and didn't have 1 advertisement for a pharmaceutical company at each commercial break? Just do a google search on how much Big pharma has let us down and how many lawsuits and billions they pay for false advertising and settlements but that's pennies to them because they're profit mongers. Studies show that people who have been vaccinated are not immune, hence the titer conversation above, that seems like solid evidence. Anyway, for those of us that CARE, it truly is a hard decision.

      October 22, 2010 at 21:08 | Report abuse |
  40. Valerie

    Valerie is a MORON, my point is that I don't like to see a family with such a tragedy USED by CNN. Also not so sure I believe the numbers. I think that most people get their kids vaccinated, but they themselves do not get boosters. And that the disease has resurged despite it all over the country. Of course California is going to have the highest number of babies dying from it: number one they lead progressive lifestyles out there and number two, have you seen the size of california? We can be sure New Hampshire isn't going to have the highest number. Perhaps it is a new strain or something.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DaveInWa

      California's increase in numbers is due to a VERY large population of unimmunized individuals, no they are not the ANTI-VAX people they are the immigrants from mexico, Mexicos vast poor population do not get routinely immunized. you also see this trend of increases in vaccine preventable disease in regions with a large agiculture industry. while i aggree Californias absolute numbers are large the percent of the population contracting disease should be the same as the rest of the country. however they are not, they are higher

      October 23, 2010 at 12:24 | Report abuse |
    • Nadine

      @DaveinWA That's racist to say that Mexicans are responsible for the pertussis outbreak in California. Washington State has large numbers of immigrants not only from Mexico, but also from Somalia, Slovenia, Singapore, and Saudi Arabia. It ignorance in the form of misinformation and racism which spreads diseases.

      October 23, 2010 at 18:19 | Report abuse |
  41. Christine

    Im sorry but I do not agree with people who choose NOT to vaccinate their kids.. Im protecting my kids. Both of mine are up to date.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DesertRat

      Here's the question: Are YOUR immunizations up to date? I'm going to find out if mine are.

      October 22, 2010 at 16:47 | Report abuse |
    • DBINVA

      Good point. I think calling a lot of these illnesses "childhood diseases" lulls adults into a false sense of security.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:21 | Report abuse |
  42. Emily

    Very sorry to hear of this babies death. Vaccination is every parents choice, it is not required.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  43. melco

    Sorry, I am not in the "keep them at home for the first two months" camp. So....NEVER go to the dr., the grocery store, grandma's (God forbid you stop off for a quick bite to eat or to pick up some milk!)? Sounds like the old wive's tales of wrapping their FACES in blankets to keep the wind from blowing on them...when it is 90 degrees outside. How the heck do you think humans build immunities if we are never outside of the home. Vaccines were not developed by some evil, mad scientist to sicken all of manking. Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives. Scare tactics....KILL! Telling new (and often young and uneducated) parents the horrors (and often falsehoods) of vaccinations is a crime in itself! I am a special educatin teacher, I have worked with teenage mothers, and I am a mother. I have seen the horrors of NOT vaccinating. I will take my chances and vaccinate my children....to protect them and everyone else's children too!

    October 22, 2010 at 14:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  44. Megan

    I am so heartbroken for Mr. & Mrs. Dube and their family, and I'm sad that their little boy had to go in such a painful way. I hope they are slightly heartened that their story may help others in some way. Blessing to them and everyone else who loses a child.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:51 | Report abuse | Reply
  45. Kate

    Valerie, childhood vaccines have saved millions of lives. They are probably the single most effective weapon in the arsenal of modern medicine. Once rare diseases are making a resurgence in the US because of worries about vaccines. Most of us alive today have never seen smallpox, or a child born blind because the mother contracted measles while she was pregnant. Go visit an old cemetery and see the dozens of children buried there who died under the age of 5. Most of these deaths were due to communicable diseases and infections. GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED!!!!!!!

    October 22, 2010 at 14:52 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Valerie

      Both of my children have had all routine immunizations. It doesn't mean they didn't get a good dose of toxins with them. Your bias is showing.

      October 22, 2010 at 14:59 | Report abuse |
    • kaisersouse

      Valerie you have NO proof that they were injected with toxins because you've never had them tested because the ONLY thing you know about medicine is what the other fat helicopter moms are shrewing about on the sidelines.

      You are not an authority to give medical advice. What you are doing is dangerous.

      October 22, 2010 at 15:02 | Report abuse |
    • Christina

      Valerie, so is yours.

      October 22, 2010 at 15:20 | Report abuse |
    • Jay

      Hey Valerie, your stupid is showing

      October 22, 2010 at 17:16 | Report abuse |
    • TJ

      What toxins Valerie?

      October 22, 2010 at 18:02 | Report abuse |
    • Prince Tamino

      Valerie is right on. Leave her alone.

      October 22, 2010 at 21:09 | Report abuse |
  46. Valerie

    Lisa, not true. The baby does not need to go to the Ped's office for jaundice if it is not yellow, and doesn't need to go for a weight check as long as it wasn't a premie and is eating well. Plus, you can buy a scale and talk to your doctor over the phone. There is just no good reason. The pediatrician's office is where there are sick children. Even if they are in a different area, it's the same office and it shares air and surfaces with the well checkup children.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:53 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jay

      The baby doesn't have to go to the ped if it's not yellow?? What if it's hot pink, do we take the baby to Sesame Street?

      October 22, 2010 at 17:32 | Report abuse |
  47. timd

    Take your vaccines and be happy. Are you feeling empty inside? Consume more. Remember to always consume and don't think too hard. Believe everything you read because we care about you. Don't listen to the negativity of others. They are only angry because they forgot to spend and consume so they are not happy and are confused. Be afraid of those people with different viewpoints other than those are the echo the message of mainstream corporate news outlets. Corporate news cares about you. The others do not. They are not good for you. Be happy. Be afraid. Remember – always consume and try not to think too hard. Thinking is hard. Hard is painful. Never think. Consume. Always.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bill

      And you've been thinking about what, timd?

      Have you read the 1000s of studies available to the public on vaccines?
      Have you read up on the human immune system and how it works?

      Do you even have a degree?

      I'm guessing no. Because if you actually had and understood the FACTS about vaccines and used logic to choose... you'd be 1st in line to get your shots.

      October 22, 2010 at 15:17 | Report abuse |
    • Christine

      How are you going to stop them???? Its us against them and we dont win.

      October 22, 2010 at 15:30 | Report abuse |
    • DBINVA

      I think your tin foil hat is on too tight.

      October 22, 2010 at 17:23 | Report abuse |
    • TJ

      I think it might be time to put down the bottle now, yeah?

      October 22, 2010 at 18:03 | Report abuse |
  48. Linda

    Felicia and Daryl, my heart goes out to you. I totally understand why you did not vaccinate your baby. It is because the vaccines are not safe for little children yet. Just these past two weeks, I have been very ill with a flu that I have never had before, a dreadfully painful hacking cough that I am sure could cause a baby as young as Carter not to breathe. I could barely breathe and catch my breath. The sore throat that went with it was extreme.
    Blessings to you and your family,

    October 22, 2010 at 14:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • lovepeace

      wow, but why such anger kaisersouse?

      October 22, 2010 at 15:27 | Report abuse |
    • Christine

      she acts like some kid Im telling ya

      October 22, 2010 at 15:31 | Report abuse |
    • Katherine

      Linda, please learn how to read.


      October 22, 2010 at 15:41 | Report abuse |
    • fam1130

      Linda, this is Felicia, Carter's mom. We would have vaccinated Carter if he would have bveen old enough to get the shot. He was buried a week before he would have gotten his first set of shots.

      October 22, 2010 at 23:57 | Report abuse |
  49. jmr

    @Valerie 'don't take them to the pediatrician' ....hmmm... therein lies a conundrum. How do you keep your new baby away from the pediatrician? You plan to skip all the important newborn well baby checks? Also, does your ped make housecalls to vaccinate the baby?

    This is a very sad story and perhaps it takes something of this nature to shock people into paying attention to what is going on and take the necessary prevention steps. I feel for those parents and cannot fathom what they must be feeling.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Valerie

      Perhaps if pediatricians in the states made housecalls like they do in Europe, less newborns would get sick.

      October 22, 2010 at 15:00 | Report abuse |
    • Giancarla

      @Valerie Even if the doctors here made housecalls "like they do in Europe", they still come into contact with sick kids which in turn they can become transmitters of diseases. We're still the same pickle as the kids who go to the pediatrician's office. Disease happens but if you have a way to reduce your risks, why not do it? How many millions of people have had vaccinations and how many of those have developed sickness?

      To the family of that beautiful baby, my heart goes out to you. I'm not a mother yet but I can olny imagine the heartbreak losing a child is. May you find comfort in your time of sadness.

      October 22, 2010 at 18:09 | Report abuse |
  50. Alex

    Ask your doctor, not CNN.

    October 22, 2010 at 14:54 | Report abuse | Reply
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