October 7th, 2010
12:08 PM ET

Very early results are in for flu vaccine

It's time to get a flu shot, and unlike a year ago, the vaccine is readily available and providing good coverage for the types of flu viruses circulating, according to new data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Flu activity was low this summer, according to the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) and the strains of flu that have emerged in some sporadic outbreaks are all contained in this year's seasonal flu vaccine.

Last year at this time, the first H1N1 vaccines were just starting to trickle out.  A separate flu shot and spray had to be produced because the seasonal flu vaccine didn't not include protection from the then-new pandemic H1N1 flu virus. That's because the new virus emerged after production of the seasonal flu vaccine began.

In another report published in Thursday's MMWR, the CDC found that the number of children getting a seasonal flu shot did not go up last year. This despite the CDC expanding its vaccine recommendation to cover all children between 6 months and 18 years of age.

Health officials noted that coverage was still low (15.3 percent to 38.4 percent) among older children. This  leaves many children unprotected, the officials said.

According to the CDC, getting a flu shot or nasal spray is still the best way to protect yourself from getting the flu.

Avoiding the flu and being careful about hygiene can protect those who can't get vaccinated, including babies under 6 months of age and those who are allergic to vaccine, for example.

Pregnant women are urged to get a flu shot because they have a weakened immune system during pregnancy. Plus one shot can protect mom-to-be and help protect the newborn.

While some may think the flu is not so bad, it can lead to some severe complications. They include bacterial pneumonia, ear infections, sinus infections, dehydration, and worsening of chronic medical conditions, such as congestive heart failure, asthma, or diabetes.

The CDC recommends that everyone older than 6 months of age get a flu vaccine. More information can be found on the CDC website.

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  1. alexia


    October 7, 2010 at 12:24 | Report abuse | Reply
    • James

      Oooh! "All in one"! Can I get extra Thimerasol in mine? Dumb sheeple.....!

      October 7, 2010 at 14:38 | Report abuse |
    • ken

      ohhh, James I guess you like living in the dark ages, Just wait for the bell that rings for "bring out your dead!"

      October 7, 2010 at 14:52 | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      REAL scientists question everything constantly. There is a problem with putting heavy metal preservatives in vaccines and us scientists who have integrity and are not directly tied to the pharmaceutical industry know this. Am I against vaccination? Heck no!!! But I am against over and unnecessary vaccination. Should the elderly and immunocompromised get a flu shot? Sure. Should the general person get the vaccine or build REAL acquired immunity through a slightly annoying infection? Absolutely.

      -Brian. PhD Molecular Evolution and Microbiology.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:06 | Report abuse |
    • doG is God

      So the CDC can predict the future? I'd rather take the small chance of acquiring the flu over injecting unnecessary substances in my body that won't give me a buzz.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:45 | Report abuse |
    • Texas Pete

      We need a better way to administer vaccines. Freebasing is so inconvenient.

      October 7, 2010 at 16:59 | Report abuse |
    • Tommy

      Brian, when you dont take the vaccine, and catch the flu, its just not a slightly annoying problem..you help spread it and somebody could get very ill or die from it. You should let the health professionals deal with the recommendations.for public health..and stick to Mole biology....your claim you are a real scientist has no validity..

      October 7, 2010 at 19:15 | Report abuse |
    • sonovagun

      Nonsense, Brian. Thimerosal has been used as an extremely effective and safe preservative for vaccines for decades. Knock off your lying and fear-mongering. You cannot cite a shred, not one, of proof that thimerosal has EVER harmed anyone.


      October 7, 2010 at 19:39 | Report abuse |
  2. Michael

    Why is it the flu doesnt make it rounds until after the shot is just about forced on so many? The CDC is corrupted by pharmaceutical companies. The shot has never matched the flu that actually goes around-well documented. We are told almost as a threat that we need the shot. Pregant women have strong immune systems. Getting the flu makes our immune systems stonger for the majority of us and I know we will always have what abouts. More effort should be put into building our immune systems with healthy diets, exercise, etc. The CDC pushes the shot more than building a strong immune system.

    October 7, 2010 at 12:39 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Steven

      I inadvertently passed the flu to my mother last year. What would become a rather minor annoyance for me turned out to kill her. Her healthy organic diet and natural remedies did not do anything to protect her. Think about that and of the 30,000 people, mostly elderlies, that die of the flu or complications every year.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:03 | Report abuse |
    • Charlie

      RE: Michael: If you weren't such an ignorant person, you would realize that getting a vaccine is acutally HELPING your immune system. It provides you with sufficient antibodies that can protect you, should you actually run into the flu virus during flu season. The reason why pharmacies and doctors want you to get the flu shot before flu season is in fulll swing is because your body will make only enough antibodes about two weeks after the vaccine was given, hence the benefits of the vaccine will not be seen until 2 weeks after recieving the shot. As far as the govenment not knowing what flu strand to give, look at EdM above, he knows what he is talking about. Educate yourself people!

      October 7, 2010 at 13:08 | Report abuse |
    • Billshut

      "The shot has never matched the flu that actually goes around-well documented."

      Don't know if you've ever looked into how the CDC determines what varieties of influenza will be included in the shot or not? Basically, it's a guessing game. They go to Asia, about 6 months before the flu normally hits the USA, and look at what strains of influenza are breaking out there. Unfortunately, the influenza virus is capable of changing itself from year to year, so last year's flu shot usually isn't going to protect you from this year's flu. Once the CDC figures out the most likely strains of influenza that will hit the USA, they come back and make up the flu vaccine for that year.

      Once again, it's a guess. An educated guess, but still a guess. Some years, they are right on target. Most years, they're pretty close, and the flu vaccine does help. Occasionally, they totally miss the mark, but that's not too often.

      You make it sound as though there's some huge conspiracy going on with the flu vaccine, that the CDC is pushing it to help the pharmaceutical companies. I say, if you don't want to get a shot, then just don't get one. Last I heard, no one was twisting your arm, or holding a gun up to your head, to force it on you!!

      October 7, 2010 at 13:15 | Report abuse |
    • fynalexander

      The flu shot will kill you. This is just another form of population control. Don't be a sheep. Do not take it.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:41 | Report abuse |
    • Johnny Five

      Intersting about the timeline of the Flu Michael. I'll have to research that. And Stephen, I think you are fibbing. I'm sorry if your mother is really gone, but your story lacks credibility. But if true, without research you cannot say organic eating and being healthy were lost causes. She probably got it from you, if true, if you did get the Flu shot, then went to visit her.

      The gov and media like to say those who are unvaccinated are the problem, but I submit that those who are vaccinated are the criminals and ones who make the unvaccinated sick.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:55 | Report abuse |
    • Chris R

      I absolutely love it when people with no scientific or medical training, like Johnny Five here, go on ad nausum, about vaccination. Tel me, where did you get your medical training, The Jenny McCarthy School of Epidemiology and Biochemistry?

      October 7, 2010 at 14:18 | Report abuse |
    • JohninTampa

      Sorry, Michael, but you are a moron. I can prove it. 200 years ago the average American male was about 5 ft tall and lived to maybe 60 on average. Now we are taller and live longer. Ask yourself why. But as you have not the brains I will suggest a thing: science applied to a desire for longer and healthier life. What else is knowledge for, actually, except to take on burden and effort so that we are less stressed, which extends life? And the CDC, and the NIH, and all the other government institutions that promote knowledge, these are the investment we all make this way through tax dollars because almost nobody could do much of anything alone. (PS-it usually RETURNS dollars too through patent rights that belong to the government, which is us. But I'm happier just to live longer.)

      October 7, 2010 at 14:33 | Report abuse |
    • aldo

      The same # of people die from the flu today as they did before the vaccine was introduced, 30k. Please check that fact if you doubt. Almost all dead are elderly and immune compromised. So, the shot has not changed that number. Please check this fact if you doubt it. In 2006, BMJ put out a great editorial called "policy v evidence" where they plowed through all flu shot data and found independent data showed almost zero benefit from the flu vaccines. These independent studies were the most scientific and largest. Please read it so you are informed of facts. Studies that showed benefit were less scientific and drug industry sponsored. The most referenced studies? Less scientific, drug sponsored studies. Another stat, on average 40% of medical pros get the vaccine annually. This is a fact, check it. Although this year the other 60% who skip it will risk losing their jobs, I assume because this stat is such an embarrassment to the flu campaign.
      There is no substitute for a strong natural immune response. Especially a mercury cocktail, seriously why do we do this. Isn't there a healthier way to spend billions? I know 3 people who got guillian barre after the shot, so it is not 1 in a million according to my math.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:56 | Report abuse |
    • Mouglie00

      The flu shot does not give you antibodies – the shot typically introduces weakened strains or dead strains of the flu virus. Once your body recognizes the viruses found in the shot, it begins to create antibodies (why some people actually get fevers from the vaccine).

      October 7, 2010 at 15:17 | Report abuse |
    • Mouglie00

      aldo, did you even read the 2006 BMJ policy v evidence article? Try reading it again.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:22 | Report abuse |
    • aldo

      I read it about a year ago. What are you disputing because I do not feel like reading it again

      October 7, 2010 at 15:43 | Report abuse |
    • Rayzak2000

      When you ask an anti Vaccine nut for direct facts and figures about the dangers of modern vaccines, they can never give you numbers.

      Have there been children that developed autism after receiving a vaccine? Sure there have. There have also been children that died in car crashes and house fires within weeks of receiving a vaccine. That doesn't mean the vaccine caused those deaths.

      Correlation does not imply causation.

      October 7, 2010 at 16:04 | Report abuse |
    • aldo

      Rayzak 2000, thought we were talking about the flu vaccine and how ineffective it is as a public policy? 75% of deaths in US are from chronic preventable disease yet we spend $10/yr /person on preventing these diseases. Our "herd" efforts are misguided because the herd, 140million of them, are sick with chronic disease because they live lifestyles not suited for their genes. Educating people about these facts and then putting methods in place to change this epidemic of chronic preventable disease seems a better use of public funds than shooting everyone scared enough or naive enough to get a flu shot.

      My MD buddy does not use it unless requested by patients and feels it a ruse.

      As for autism and vaccines, autism is an enviromental epidemic caused by toxins, that is being established. The gene theories are going nowhere. If an indepenent study is done vac v unvac then we can make a claim one way or the other. comparin vac w no thimerisol and vac with a little is far from proving anything. It is stalling for time in my opinion. Do the study!! We all need to know and should not be afraid of the results. It is not a do vaccines work question or belief system question it is a science question. Since when is shooting crap into the blood stream normal human behavior. Do not assume safe until proven unsafe, I assume unsafe until proven safe. And the efforts to prove safe at this point are all by vested interests with goals and stacked cards anyone who is a "scientist" can see that.

      October 7, 2010 at 16:27 | Report abuse |
  3. billding

    was there any doubt??? how many millions will be spent telling America this vs. rigorous & comprehensive safety studies? and pregnet women better read the fine print on safety lable / product insert....

    October 7, 2010 at 12:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris R

      There have been scores of safety studies on vaccines, especially flu shots. The lie you're being told is that there aren't any. A quick review of PubMed would put an end to that lie.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:19 | Report abuse |
  4. Teddy

    The flu kills thousands of people in the United States every year. Get your flu shot and protect yourself and everyone around you. Vaccine conspiracy theorists can say what they'd like - just remember that millions of children's lives have been saved by the valiant efforts of those who developed smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, rabies, and flu vaccines, to name a few. Before you turn down the flu vaccine, take a moment to reflect on how many lives could have been lost (and continue to be lost, due to the anti-vaccine movement) to completely preventable diseases.

    October 7, 2010 at 12:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Kay

      "completely preventable diseases." Are you kidding? Even their own propaganda doesn't read "completely preventable diseases."

      And small pox compared to flu? Really.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:00 | Report abuse |
    • PMD

      Kay, you are completely missing the point here. It is true that no vaccine can guarantee 100% efficacy, but these diseases, yes, including influenza, are preventable. Furthermore, if we look at the case of smallpox, we have an example of a vaccine (which was NOT 100% effective) that wiped a horrendous disease off the face of the earth. And no one can argue with that. Teddy was not trying to compare the flu to smallpox by invoking all the other diseases that we vaccinate against, but rather was reminding everyone that the world before vaccines was a scary, scary place where your chance of living into your teens was abysmally small compared to today. If you are one of the anti-vaccinists, reconcile your ill-foudned BELIEFS with the FACT that, if it weren't for everyone else getting their own children vaccinated, you would be basically sentencing your children to a childhood of illness, and in many cases death. Vaccines are good, get over yourselves.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:21 | Report abuse |
    • James

      If you are vaccinated and convinced of its efficacy, then why worry about those who dont get vaccinated. They cant possibly be a threat, right?

      October 7, 2010 at 14:22 | Report abuse |
    • James

      Kay – Small pox has not been wiped from the face of the earth. Its stored in CDC and Military labs. Kinda funny how our government just got done apologizing for infecting Guatemalen's with STD's. Oh I know that was a long time ago. People are different now. They dont do things like that any more... LOL!

      October 7, 2010 at 14:33 | Report abuse |
    • McCluck

      @ James, the tard
      "If you are vaccinated and convinced of its efficacy, then why worry about those who dont get vaccinated. They cant possibly be a threat, right?" Hey tard, before you make yourself look stupid again look up How vaccines work, Herd immunity, and occurences of infection in vaccinated individuals. Also consider that not everyone can be vaccinated. For example someone with a compromised immune system. You affect everyone else with your stupidity. You are a prime example of what to expect from an uninformed antivaxer. And i dont care if i stooped to a low level by callnig you a tard. It doesnt make it any less true and you most certainly deserve it. I hope you are kidding, if so then sorry.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:06 | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      "Hey tard, before you make yourself look stupid again look up How vaccines work, Herd immunity, and occurences of infection in vaccinated individuals. Also consider that not everyone can be vaccinated. For example someone with a compromised immune system. You affect everyone else with your stupidity. You are a prime example of what to expect from an uninformed antivaxer. And i dont care if i stooped to a low level by callnig you a tard. It doesnt make it any less true and you most certainly deserve it. I hope you are kidding, if so then sorry."

      Most people who use the word "tard" are probably the ones who rush out and get the vaccines as soon as their loving government tells them to (and for their young kids as well!).

      Stop telling us we're crazy cuz we dont want to inject heavy metals into our bloodstream. If you want to do it, go ahead. But don't call me a conspiracy nut because I don't want to. Besides I think I can risk...DUN DUN DUN...the flu! lol gimme a break. Go get an extra mercury shot just for me, sheep! Do what your loving government tells you! They are only trying to help! They love you!

      October 7, 2010 at 17:47 | Report abuse |
  5. EdM

    RE:Michael: The influenza viruses that are prevalent in any given year usually start in Asia and travel around the world during that year. It arrives in the USA around the fall/winter. The choice of what flu vaccine to produce is done by "guessing" which one will be most likely to be spreading that year. They include two or three different virus strains in the vaccine and it usually targets the flu that is circulating that year. Every once in a while the flu virus that is circulating is not one that was "guessed" and included in the vaccine so the vaccine doesn't protect against it. That's what happened last year with H1N1. So a separate H1N1 vaccine was needed to be protected against it. Please educated yourself before resorting to conspiracy theories.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:01 | Report abuse | Reply
  6. rose

    My son (2 yrs old) and myself (29 yrs old) have never gotten the flu shot...and each winter, we dont catch a cold (knock on wood)...i dont believe in the flu shot for us, i make sure my son eats lots of fruits and veggies, takes his vitamins and when we are out and about that he constantly washes his hands after touching carts or prior and after eating...during this season, if he is around kids who are coughing or sneezing, i just take him to play somewhere else... i think being proactive on hygiene and a healthy diet is the best prevention for my son and i but more power to those people who get the flu shot....just not the choice for us

    October 7, 2010 at 13:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Steven

      Healthy diet and hygiene are great to fend off germs but not enough. My own mother, a strong proponent of health died and natural remedy caught the flu from me last year. She died from pneumonia she got after the flu. It is no wonder that your son never got the flu. Most people who think got the flu actually just got a cold. Encountering the flu is rare but if you look at the size of the american population, several 100,000 will get it. Most likely, you will not be one of them but if you do, you'd better be very careful that you do not pass it to your child. His immune system is not quite as good as yours. . The vaccine offers great protection and if I had been vaccinated last year, I mostly would not have caught the flu. If I had not caught the flu, my mother would still be alive today. Vaccines are like seat belts. The vast majority of the time, you do not need them. But if you happen to get into an accident, your odds are tremendously better if you have your seatbelt fastened.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:15 | Report abuse |
    • Patricia

      While I respect your decision not to vaccinate your child, two years old is young. As he gets older, it will be more and more difficult to protect your child from germs even if you choose to home school. I hope you are at least getting his other immunizations. Immunizations are safe. Do not listen to the propaganda stating otherwise. You may believe that this is only your business, but lack of immunizations and a global community has allowed a resurgence of once eradicated illness back into the U.S. Those families that do vaccinate effect us all.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:00 | Report abuse |
  7. kre62


    October 7, 2010 at 13:05 | Report abuse | Reply
  8. HealingNews

    It's obvious to me why they do this propagation of flu vaccine: Money. Period. Vaccine manufacturers make $billions while they propagate diseases through all the dangerous pathogens in these shots that make people sick. Period. When they get sick, they often spread this illness to other friends and family, then they have an excuse to call for a "pandemic", so everyone will be infected from the vaccines. It would be safer to do an investigation of the CDC, like the European Union called for in the WHO, and find out who are plants / operatives in those organizations funded by vaccine companies. HealingNews.com

    Let's get real, though. Vaccine companies come up with "new strains" almost every season, so people will not be immune, such as "mixing" H1N1 with H5N1, then human viruses, etc. etc. constantly coming up with new "strains" that nobody is immune to, with one common goal: Make more money.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:05 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Steven

      Right. You have just defeated the conventional wisdom of 10,000 of researchers around the world. How smart you are!!

      October 7, 2010 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
    • Chris R

      Wait, you are saying that pharmaceutical companies are the ones actually infecting people with different strains of influenza? For that to be true you would need to have a world wide conspiracy that been going on for more than 100 years and involving tens of thousands of people. Exactly how likely do you think that is?

      October 7, 2010 at 13:31 | Report abuse |
  9. Doyle


    October 7, 2010 at 13:08 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LDR

      *facepalm* Gotta love conspiracy theories, no matter how silly they are.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:08 | Report abuse |
    • tct

      Yes, I died immediately after getting the flu shot. This blatant population control by avoiding epidemics has to stop!

      October 7, 2010 at 15:07 | Report abuse |
    • McCluck

      There is a world government?

      October 7, 2010 at 15:56 | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      Only American yuppies think the government would never hurt them. They have no concept of history or anything, really. All they know is their 12 hours of television viewing.

      They actually think it's a conspiracy theory that government would hurt their own people to gain money and power. If they had ANY grasp of history they would see that harming their people is something that all governments have done at one point. In the 20th century alone, hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people have been killed by their government.

      And all these yuppies do is snicker and laugh when you try to warn them. Oh well. You should get an extra vaccine for me today – that would really show us conspiracy theorists! Drink up that fluoride as well!

      Ask people in Africa if they trust the vaccines any more and see what they say. Enjoy living in Disneyland, yuppies. You have no concept of the real world.

      October 7, 2010 at 17:57 | Report abuse |
    • dan15

      i have had a flu shot for around 13 years never got the flu once

      October 7, 2010 at 19:09 | Report abuse |
    • dan15

      also i am only 17 years old and i am not dead

      October 7, 2010 at 19:10 | Report abuse |
  10. Rob

    Yes all women should be carefull. Here is one thing the insert from the Fluvarix states. FLUARIX has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility. See for yourself. http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_fluarix.pdf

    October 7, 2010 at 13:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Joe



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  11. Dan

    Shhhhh, don't tell anyone that vaccines are deadly. If anyone is stupid enough to trust these eugenics op's, let em, we will be better off without them.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:19 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Translation

    Sadly, tens of millions of Americans cannot afford to get a flu shot. Why is it not publicly available? After all, it is a public health issue and ~30,000 people die each year from the common flu.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • influenza educator

      The flu shot is free...go to your local health department and they should have it. You only have to pay if you go to a place like walgreens or taget...but public health clinics have it for free!!

      October 7, 2010 at 14:30 | Report abuse |
    • luckydawn122

      Yes if they don't go to public health clinic or they have to pay 30 dollars, isn't that cheaper than having to go to the doctor for the flu or missing work? Isn't an ounce of protection worth a pound of cure?

      October 7, 2010 at 16:17 | Report abuse |
    • it's not free

      The flu shot is not free, even from county health departments. I was looking for a deal last year so I called to check. At Walgreens it was $25ish. At RiteAid it was $30ish. At the Ingham County Health Department (MI) it was over $40.

      October 7, 2010 at 16:32 | Report abuse |
    • influenza educator

      @it's not free....obviously i can't speak for MI but here in California yes it is!! I work at the local health department and it's free. We can't turn anyone down for an immunization even if they don't have the money. Of course we want you to go to your own doctor first...but bottom line you can come to any of the clinics and get it for free and we have free drive-thru clinics for it all the time!

      October 7, 2010 at 17:01 | Report abuse |
  13. kris

    Better hurry up and get one before they are all gone.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. Gopherit

    Flu shot? Difficult choice for me. I used to get every type of flu around. Because of the pending "swine" flu epidemic of the 1970s my wife talked me into getting the supposedly preventative vaccination. Came down with the worst case by far of flu I'd ever had! After that I refused to have any flu vaccinations and have not had any flu since. Last year, as a senior my doctor talked me into having the vaccination. Felt out of sorts for nearly a week afterward. Now am inclined to give the seasonal flu vaccination a miss again.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:27 | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Dan

    Did anyone see that Bill Gates "TED" talk where he spoke about controlling world population through vaccines?

    October 7, 2010 at 13:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Steven

      Many people would like to believe there is a worldwide conspiracy to control world population. As proof, they use Bill Gates talk on TED. This is complete nonsense. Bill Gates is very clear about what he means. High infant mortality pushes families to have many children because of the assumption that many of them will not make it to adulthood. By decreasing infant mortality, you also reduce the need for families to have many children. This in turns help control world wide population growth. Vaccines are not used to make people sterile. Only gullible people believe that.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:36 | Report abuse |
  16. Rob

    The CDC does not distinguish between deaths caused by an influenza virus and deaths due to pneumonia. The two are lumped together in their mortality statistics and pneumonia-related deaths are reported as having an initial influenza cause. For example, if we take the combined figure of flu and pneumonia deaths for the flu period in 2001, and spin the figures, we are left believing that 62,034 people died from influenza. The actual figures are 61,777 died from pneumonia and only 257 from flu. A separate study conducted by the National Center for Health Statistics for the flu periods between 1979 and 2002 reveals that the actual range of annual flu deaths were between 257 and 3006, for an average of 1,348 per year.[3] This is a far cry from the 36,000 annual flu deaths still found on the CDC’s website and vomited by the major media.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:29 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Steven

      And how do most people get the flu, you d** ass? By getting the flu first! That's how my own mother died. I guess it qualifies me to talk about it,. unlike you...

      October 7, 2010 at 13:43 | Report abuse |
  17. Bob of the Truth

    My friend just go the shot and got terribly sick from it. This is a joke. Instances of the flu were at record lows last year, and guess what, so were innoculations. Bill Gates just talked about reducing population through vaccines and it's a FACT that this has been tested on certain populations. The WHO is STILL being investigated for over-inflating the threat. Pharma influence, you betcha!!!!! So last year they told only certain groups to get it, they had tons of leftover vaccines, and now they're telling everyone to get it. Hey WHO and CDC, F You!!!!!

    October 7, 2010 at 13:29 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris R

      The flu vaccine takes around 2 weeks for it to become effective (that's how long it takes your body to start producing the antibodies). Its not uncommon for people to get a flu vaccine and either already have been sick or be exposed to the flu during that time. More importantly, there is no evidence that your friend actually contracted the flu. He might have gotten a cold, food poisoning, or some other illness that is not covered by the vaccination. The fact that he got sick after he got the vaccine also means very little. Correlation, as you know, does not equal causation. Once I unplugged a vacuum cleaner and we lost power in our neighborhood. Does that mean that unplugging the vacuum cleaner caused a blackout?

      As for Bill Gates talking about reducing world population through vaccination I think you are mistaken. He said that vaccination reduces childhood mortality which, in turn, reduces the impetus to have large families. "If you improve health in a society ... surprisingly, population growth goes down," Gates told CNN in 2008. "And that's because a parent needs to have some children survive into adulthood to take care of them when they're old. And so, if they think having six children is what they need to do to have at least two survive, that's what they'll do. And amazingly, across the entire world, as health improves, then the population growth actually is reduced."

      So vaccination reduces world population by having a healthier population.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:48 | Report abuse |
  18. PLZ

    Charlie, you get the award for the most uneducated comments.....congrats pal. You sir are clueless....have you any background in health-care or do you just spout off about what you read on CNN? Flu shots=JOKE. The health care industry is ripe with greed, corruption and deception. But keep living in your fantasy world and injecting yourself with that nonsense and deal with the neurological complications later in life (which will be a burden on the rest of us as we foot the bill for your medicare claims)

    October 7, 2010 at 13:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris R

      Please provide some independent verified references which support your hypothesis regarding the neurological impact on people receiving flu shots. Anything in any of the respected medical journals (Lancet, JAMA, NEJM, Nature, Science, etc) would be acceptable. Unless you are saying that every medical researcher is in on the scam there is bound to be some evidence of this available in the peer reviewed literature. As a note, Jenny McCarthy is *not* a well respected scientist in the field of immunology, neurology, bio-chemistry, or medicine.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:40 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Chris...c'mon. You think the very entities that produce and encourage these practices are going to criticize them? That's the problem!!!!! You want self-regulation? right! The proof is the countless and endless complaints that come every single year from complications from vaccinations and immunizations. Why is there even controversy and thousands of people file complaints every year if there wasn't a problem with this practice. Again the health care industry is based on making profits. Myself and my family get 0 shots of any kind and are fair healthier than all the 'sheep' (thanks Jim) that wait in line every year. If you want this non-sense inside you, feel free my friend just don't try to impose this BS on me. Its called deception and propaganda....they have you screaming to high heavens that you should get this shot and everyone else should in the name of health, its brilliant on their part as long as their are people who cant think for themselves.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:54 | Report abuse |
    • SayWhat

      Wow, and I bet you also think that the US never sent astronauts to the moon, Elvis is still alive, and 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:12 | Report abuse |
    • Chris R

      So you are saying there is a vast conspiracy which has tens of thousands of members all across the world working in secret to protect pharmaceutical companies. You realize that this is madness, right? Listen to yourself say it. Sounds preposterous doesn't it? Scientists, like myself, work hard to uncover the truth. We accept very little at face value and demand to see the data and then we work to recreate that data ourselves. We fight with each other day in and day out to tear apart each others theories. We don't do it for the money – very few of us make any significant income in terms of what we do. We do it for the honor of uncovering the underlying principles and ways in which the natural world works. We also love the notoriety that comes with upending a dearly held but false belief. So if we can disprove something we will work to do just that. At this time the best evidence clearly indicates that there are no long term neurological deficits associated with vaccinations – they have 8 decades of data to work with and they haven't found anything.

      So please, don't try to tell me that my fellow scientists are in the pocket of big pharma because to tell you the truth, big pharma makes almost nothing off of vaccines. It's a minor source of income for them that is just *barely* worth their investment. If their vaccine programs disappeared it would barely be a blip on their balance sheets.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:14 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      SayWhat, what does any of that have to do with Big Pharma trying to make money...is that your attempt to be funny or clever? If so....yawn! I bet you believe our gov't gives us full disclosure in every matter then, you keep believing everything you read in the newspaper then and don't for once generate a thought on your own, let everyone else do the thinking for you.
      Chris I don't doubt there are scores of scientists like yourself that work their ass off with good intentions, but there are also lots of Dr's like myself who see complications related to these practices and cant help but draw a conclusion that there just might possibly be some connection. There are side effects with every drug produced so why would flu shots/vaccines be any exception? Considering we have barely scratched the surface of completely understanding human physiology leads one to believe there could be ill-effects with these substances. You say you debate everyday with your colleagues about what is right so why would I believe that this vaccine approach is accurate if you guys dont even agree with eachother on what is right.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:04 | Report abuse |
  19. Jim

    Flu shots are for sheep. If the sheep want then then by all means, go get them. The problem arises when the media and their sheep try to proclaim that if you choose not to vaccinate you are endagering the herd of sheep. I suggest those individuals familiarize themselves with the Nuremberg Code.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:41 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. jackson

    shameful propaganda this is

    October 7, 2010 at 13:41 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. tbone

    for real vaccine analysis, compiled by a doctor with 6000 hours of research, please watch Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's video, "Vaccines: The Risks and Benefits" and check out her website drtenpenny.com. Then, make your own decision...

    October 7, 2010 at 13:42 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris R

      I see your doctor and counter it with another doctor. http://scienceblogs.com/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/damned_lies_and_idiots.php

      October 7, 2010 at 14:01 | Report abuse |
  22. Ray


    October 7, 2010 at 13:44 | Report abuse | Reply

    I never received the Flu shot until 2008. Up to then I was inline with all the conspiracies and lack of faith the general public spouts. However 2008 I gave birth to a beautiful baby girl born with CDH. She beat her 50% chance of death and the doctors counseled us regarding the importance of vaccines both those that are required and optional not only for our baby but her family and care providers. After spending much time with doctors that take care of the sickest babies on this earth I began to realize that unlike my previous opinions these doctors advise for this protection because they do not want to see their victory turn into a defeat. Too many lose their lives because they choose to fear and doubt those that are educated to protect us. Ignoring them may cause you your sweetest life, yours or your loved one. Please protect yourself. If not for yourself, for those that depend on you.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:45 | Report abuse | Reply
  24. tbone

    Chris R – please see the website russellblaylockmd.com. he is a neurosurgeon and his book, "Health And Nutrition Secrets that Can Save Your Life" – it discusses the neurological effects of mercury..

    October 7, 2010 at 13:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris R

      I've seen it. He doesn't distinguish between ethyl and methyl mercury. As such, he is full of fail. He consistently rejects the best available science and, when he doesn't he purposefully misinterprets it to suits his preconceived notions. This isn't that surprising to me, considering he's using his website to sell his own brand of supplements and cures. You may want to read an overview about him and his ideas at http://www.skepdic.com/blaylock.html

      What's worth keeping in mind is that doctors are not trained scientists. They receive very little training in research, evaluating data, or experimental design.

      October 7, 2010 at 13:58 | Report abuse |
    • mike

      there is no mercury in shots

      October 7, 2010 at 14:57 | Report abuse |
  25. boocat

    Hell will freeze over before I get a flu shot.

    October 7, 2010 at 13:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. SayWhat

    Even though the flu shot is covered by our insurance, the company has a local pharmacy come in and administer flu shots to anyone who wants them, but only if you pay in full with cash or check (they won't take our insurance). I mean what the heck is up with that?

    October 7, 2010 at 14:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  27. chris m

    Flu shots are like$ 30 at walgreens: seems affordable to me. I got mine and I haven't died yet so I don’t really see the argument.

    October 7, 2010 at 14:16 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. Sydney

    Everyone posting here with all these laughable comments about the dangers of flu vaccine does realize the vaccines were first used in the 1940's, right?

    That's right. Flu vaccines are not new. They've been in safe and effective use now continually for over 60 years, in countries all over the world, not just the U.S. So your conspiracy theories would have to involve multiple generations of hundreds of thousands of doctors, scientists and government employees in dozens of countries. Ponder the likelihood of that for just a moment.....

    The only thing that is new is the enormous volume of completely wrong information about them spread to gullible citizens by the internet.

    And I'm sorry, but as much as the sales people for books and blogs and websites and mystery vitamin and mineral remedies want you to believe it, nutrition and vitamins don't prevent you from getting the flu. Only antibodies provided by previous infection or the vaccine prevent flu.

    October 7, 2010 at 14:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • J.R.

      Innoculations have been in use even before the 20th century. The first immunizations/innoculations occured in the Ottoman empire regarding small pox 🙂

      October 7, 2010 at 17:03 | Report abuse |
  29. Erika

    The last time I got a flu shot, I got the flu......I've had the flu twice in my life, once as a child and after this shot......I haven't had one since and won't be getting one anytime soon!

    October 7, 2010 at 14:24 | Report abuse | Reply
    • RN

      You are not alone. Everyone that I know who has received the flu shot also acquired the flu. Many of my medical colleagues DO NOT get the flu shot for obvious reasons.

      Neither I nor my children have ever had the flu shot. We are quite the healthy bunch and rarely get sick. We will continue to NOT get the flu shot.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:26 | Report abuse |
    • Steven

      How one anecdotal evidence proved the whole medical profession wrong!

      October 7, 2010 at 16:13 | Report abuse |
    • Lavendar

      RN, Come on, EVERYONE you know who got the flu shot got the flu? Or do you mean it seemed as if everyone caught a cold last winter?

      Some years I got the flu shot, some not. I've never had what I thought was the flu. Once I had a cold that caused my lungs to hurt for weeks. There was no correlation with vaccination, but I was under a lot of stress that year.

      People, if you feel the flu shot is right for you, get it. If not, it's your right not to get it. Let's not judge each other.

      October 7, 2010 at 19:32 | Report abuse |
  30. AJ

    For everyone who thinks vaccines are bunk: do you think it's a mere coincidence that life expectancy has increased from 47 years in 1900 to almost 80 years now? I don't think that's because the "natural remedy" market just took off in the last 100 years! When you're hospitalized, just be glad that many of the staff like myself who are taking care of you are vaccinated.

    October 7, 2010 at 14:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Erika

      I'm all for those who want to get it, and medical providers to get it, however with myself it simply didn't/doesn't work. I also worked in the medical field and know very well how important vaccines are, I've had my share.

      Those that ARE sick should stay home. Heck, I've got a head cold and haven't left my house for 3 days....keep the germs here, why spread them. That is 90% of the problem. People don't want to get sick and certainly don't want to spread it, however there are many out there who will lose their jobs if they call in sick.

      This cold I have now is directly related to going to the store....absolutely NO question about it. Which brings me back to...STAY HOME IF YOU ARE SICK!

      October 7, 2010 at 14:31 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Oh there you go...make sure you take all the credit for increasing life expectancy....its called sanitation...let me dumb it down for you even more....not drinking the water we poop in. Here's a thought.... why doesn't the US rank in the top 25 of life expectancy even though we lead the world in the consumption of pharmaceuticals????? Just goes to show health doesn't come from ingesting synthetic man made chemical compounds.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:13 | Report abuse |
    • Momof4

      You are right, vaccines have helped rid out world of bad diseases. However, that's not the only reason life expectancy has increased so much. Other advancements in medicine have helped a lot more than vaccines.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:16 | Report abuse |
  31. Dan

    Thieves blend essential oil kept them dudes from getting the Black plague and I haven't been sick in the 2 years sense I have been using Thieves oil, so ..... I'll pass on any thing man made in my blood, nature has me covered.

    October 7, 2010 at 14:29 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. Mrxn

    I hate conspiracy theorists so much... They are completely ignorant of human biology and how vaccines are made and how they work. You don't see educated people going off about "ohhh the vaccines have mercury in them and that'll kill you! HURR DURR"

    You know why? It's because they're not ignorant like you gullible conspiracy theorists. It's incredibly easy to make up a conspiracy theory. That's why people like alex jones make money off them.

    It's funny how they call everyone else sheep.

    October 7, 2010 at 14:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jim

      Actually it has been shown that most parents that forgoe vaccines are educated. They actually take the time to do their own research and make an educated decision instead of just following to the main stream.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:35 | Report abuse |
    • Steven


      These educated parents ought to show the 10,000 or researches end medical professionals how wrong they are. It is simply amazing how the non experts know betters than 10,000 experts.

      October 7, 2010 at 16:20 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead


      Medical experts and pediatricians advocated that infants should be put to sleep on their stomachs due to possibility of a spit up would cause the infant to choke and suffocate. How long did it take for them to change their stance? At least 20 years of infants dying from SIDS.

      October 7, 2010 at 16:46 | Report abuse |
  33. capnmike

    I got a flu shot once in my life. From this, I got a case of flu so bad I was bedridden for almost 2 weeks. At one point I was running a fever so high I darn near died. NEVER AGAIN! I don't know what they put in this stuff, but I am never going to allow anybody to inject me with some unknown substance, especially something the government "says is OK"...especially after seeing that they purposely injected people with syphilis.

    October 7, 2010 at 14:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dan

      O come on now, you can trust the government. The Tuskegee experiments never happened! 😉

      October 7, 2010 at 14:38 | Report abuse |
    • Sydney

      And you probably ate dinner the day before you got that illness too – but do you blame it on the dinner?

      Correlation is not causation.

      You get the flu when you are exposed to the virus, which can be 1-7 days prior to symptoms. If you did have the flu, then you were exposed at some point near the time you were vaccinated. Flu shots are made with inactive viruses and it is impossible to get the flu from one. They do not include "unknown" substances, although you may not understand how they work.

      Some people do get a low fever, tiredness, etc. for a few days, which is a normal reaction of your immune system to the antibodies in the vaccine.

      October 7, 2010 at 14:44 | Report abuse |
    • RN

      You don't know what they put into the shot but you go ahead and get it anyway? Why? Because it's jammed down our throat that it's good for you?

      You should always question procedures, shots, etc., if you are not educated about them beforehand. Don't always take your doctor's word, they make mistakes, too. Please do the research for yourself so you are informed.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:29 | Report abuse |
    • Lavendar

      Sydney, They do not put ANTIBODIES in a vaccine. They put antigen. So you do not know what you are talking about. The mild reaction some people have to the vaccine is not what he is talking about. He is talking about how many people say the vaccine seems to make them more susceptible to colds and flu and with longer duration of symptoms. Who is to say it doesn't affect many peoples' immune systems in this way?

      October 7, 2010 at 19:37 | Report abuse |
  34. Michael P Cormier

    I received a flu shot on Staurday, September 26th. By SUnday morning I was extremely ill, and the flu symptoms lasted for almost four days. My doctor mentioned that some people have that reaction, but I never expected the reaction to be so severe, especially since I've always taken flu shots without any negative consequences.

    October 7, 2010 at 14:53 | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Nonna

    OMG ... After reading all of these cons re: flu shots I AM DOOMED! I got the flu shot just yesterday! Every year since they have been available I have had one. Now what am I to think? I'm still alive.. going on 83 in a few months.....that's if I make it.

    October 7, 2010 at 15:02 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. mike

    Where did HIB, polio, smallpox, mumps go?

    # of cases of varicella (chicken pox) documented by physicians per year prior to varicella vaccination: roughly 4 million
    Since vaccinations started: roughly 450 K (about 90% decrease)

    Pertussis is making a comeback now due to lack of booster vaccinations

    I dont think there is a conspiracy here

    October 7, 2010 at 15:06 | Report abuse | Reply
    • tbone

      if you research when the decline happened, the disease started to decline PRIOR to vaccinations being initiated..

      October 7, 2010 at 16:30 | Report abuse |
    • mike

      you are talking about varicella? what articles are you citing?

      October 7, 2010 at 16:59 | Report abuse |
  37. Nonna

    Forgot to add ... have NEVER had the flu !!

    October 7, 2010 at 15:06 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. JJ Luis

    To all of you bloggers on here working for the pharmaceutical companies saying vaccines are safe..


    October 7, 2010 at 15:06 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. Momof4

    To me, it seems this whole flu shot thing is just a fashion trend. I was amazed when I read that flu shots were available in the 80's, but I never got one as a child and never heard of it. I think it's great for high risk people (elderly, small children in daycare, people with asthma), but not the general population. Also, it's a little funny but I got my first flu shot ever last year, and so did my kids (free through my work). My husband did not. My kids and I all got the flu (first time ever for all of us) but my husband did not. I know that's just anecdotal fun, but we're going to skip it this year and probably from now on.

    October 7, 2010 at 15:09 | Report abuse | Reply
  40. John KEy

    I like many hospital workers HAVE to get a shot. Im not religious and im not allergic, does anyone else HAVE to get the shot?

    October 7, 2010 at 15:11 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Momof4

      What I find interesting is the governor of Hawaii is spending a lot of time and money really pushing all Hawaiians to get the flu shot for their families. He's done a lot to make it free or affordable, but when the media found out he's never been vaccinated and asked him he said it just wasn't for him. But, that it shouldn't take away from the fact that all Hawaiians should be vaccinated.

      October 7, 2010 at 15:25 | Report abuse |
  41. Dan

    "educated" or programed?

    October 7, 2010 at 15:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. Kelly

    In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90 % of these cases occurred in children who had been adequately vaccinated. Similar vaccine failures have been reported from Nova Scotia where pertussis continues to be occurring despite universal vaccination. Pertussis remains endemic[4] in the Netherlands where for more than 20 years 96 % of children have received 3 pertussis shots by age 12 months.

    October 7, 2010 at 15:16 | Report abuse | Reply
  43. tbone

    Chris R – I've read both of the web sites you've suggested. I guess it's a matter of who do we believe, unfortunately. I wish I knew for sure who was right. I am choosing to believe Blaylock, Tenpenny, and my naturopathic Dr. I just really think that our bodies are meant to fight illness via our mouths and nasal passages, not by having chemicals etc shot into our tissues. I know it's a personal opinion though.

    October 7, 2010 at 15:17 | Report abuse | Reply
  44. Dan

    O come on JJ Luis, Big Pharma makes BILLIONS off their drugs, to think that they would pay a few thousand dollars to people to blog in favor of their drugs is just a silly "Conspiracy Theory". 😉

    October 7, 2010 at 15:17 | Report abuse | Reply
  45. tbone

    Also, I don't think it's a conspiracy – I think Dr's just go by what they're told is right – they have little time themselves to spend researching these things, unless they retire, like Tenpenny and Blaylock. They are too busy doing their jobs caring for others..

    October 7, 2010 at 15:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • sonovagun

      One can only hope the stupid and crazy die of the flu, and that the innocent who are too young, and those who are too fragile due to illness or age, are spared the results of the selfish, idiotic actions of the anti-vaxx boneheads who post on here.

      October 8, 2010 at 21:06 | Report abuse |
  46. Alex

    Has anyone listened to pharma drug commercials? I just listened to one about an hour ago for asthma and I thought it was quite ironic that one of possible side effects was an increased risk of death from asthma??? Folks, please understand, the medical Big Pharma industry makes NO MONEY if you are healthy! The way to be unhealthy is start taking the products they offer – the ALL have side effects!!! Eat well, exercise and take proper supplements and you will most likely avoid the flu and if you get it, it will be mild since you're taking care of yourself. You have an immune system – it will do it's job naturally. Vaccines don't work – period. They are pure garbage science with zero proof of effectiveness (and contain harmful toxic chemicals like mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum and polysorbate 80) – as stated right on the vaccine insert! READ IT! Stay well everyone.

    October 7, 2010 at 15:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • JJ Luis

      You're on it Alex... Thanks

      October 7, 2010 at 19:36 | Report abuse |
  47. d.barlow m.d.

    still no EVIDENCE in 60 yrs that it works.... death rate 12000 in 100 million.. 1.2 per 10,ooo cases.... any death is tragic.. but this is not a number to wast all this money and panic on....time to get a vaccine that does not take months to create and can cover us if and when a real pandemic hits... cdc is driving a model t down the superhighway... time to get a new system... it is out there but why hasn't it been used yet....

    October 7, 2010 at 15:21 | Report abuse | Reply
  48. JJ Luis

    Yes I do. People are starting to turn away from vaccines because of its dangers and ingredients which means their financial projections will go down. Can't have that now can we!

    October 7, 2010 at 15:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  49. Jim

    Why is everybody arguing over vaccines. Vaccines should be treated like drugs. Either you take them or you choose not too. That's what America is all about, Freedom of Choice. If your one of those utilitarian types then I have a problem with you. Forcing your ideology on other people is not Unamerican.

    October 7, 2010 at 15:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jim

      Oh, I meant to say "Is Unamerican"

      October 7, 2010 at 15:42 | Report abuse |
  50. Marshall

    I do not know if the vaccine being used in the clinical studies contains thimerosal, but we do know that the vaccine they plan to use on the general public will. Despite the known toxicity of mercury, the government continues to dismiss concerns regarding the addition of thimerosal to the vaccines. On July 30, 2009, US Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius confirmed that the Swine Flu (H1N1) vaccine will contain the mercury based preservative thimerosal.

    October 7, 2010 at 15:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • McCluck

      psst, thimerisol has been shown not to be linked to any problems, including autism, related to vaccines. It was only removed a decade or so ago to stop the whining of the antivaxers. Funny how when it was removed from most vaccines, there was ABSOLUTELY NO DECLINE IN AUTISM RATES RELETIVE TO THE POPULATION. That is what we call real evidence. Do you have any?

      October 7, 2010 at 16:13 | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      "psst, thimerisol has been shown not to be linked to any problems, including autism, related to vaccines. It was only removed a decade or so ago to stop the whining of the antivaxers. Funny how when it was removed from most vaccines, there was ABSOLUTELY NO DECLINE IN AUTISM RATES RELETIVE TO THE POPULATION. That is what we call real evidence. Do you have any?"

      Ummm themerisol has not been removed from vaccines. Look for the ingredients list next time you go get your heavy metal – err i mean flu shots. Ask the doctor for the ingredients list. If you're not too dumbed down from the fluoride and mercury, you can find Themiersol right there in the print.

      Of course, being the good, government-loving sheeple you are, you'll then start to argue that mercury preservatives are good for us and we need them!

      Get your shots. Stop telling me to get mine.

      October 7, 2010 at 17:50 | Report abuse |
    • sonovagun

      Joe, you're just simple-minded. You can't even SPELL 'thimerosal" correctly, you dimwitted cretin. Why should anyone listen to someone that dumb?

      October 8, 2010 at 21:08 | Report abuse |
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