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September 3rd, 2010
08:45 AM ET

Illegal immigrants to receive dialysis care

A tentative agreement has been reached to provide 38 Atlanta, Georgia, area patients – most of whom are illegal immigrants - with continuous dialysis care, free of charge. The ruling settles a case that drew national attention and raised thorny ethical and financial questions about who should administer health care and pay for the medical bills of illegal immigrants.

Last year a dialysis clinic attached to a public hospital closed, leaving about 60 patients with no place to get the life saving treatment. They were offered help to return to their countries of origin by Grady Memorial Hospital.

Undocumented patients wary of offers to return to home countries

After some controversy, Grady agreed to pay for the dialysis of the patients who remained in the area for a year until other arrangements could be made. The latest agreement will send the 38 remaining patients to receive charity care at Fresenius Medical Services, Emory Hospital or DaVita Inc.

Exactly how many patients each center will receive and the expenses have yet to be worked out, said Matt Gove, a spokesman for Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital.

Five patients who returned to Mexico died. Whether their death related to inadequate access to dialysis is unknown, Gove said. Four patients who remained in Atlanta and continued to receive dialysis also passed away, he said.

Even with dialysis, only 35 percent of patients survive for more than five years. The process is draining and occurs three times a week in three to five hour sessions.  Dialysis can only replace about 13 percent of the kidney function. End-stage renal disease or chronic kidney failure can only be fully treated with a transplant.


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  1. h8w8ting

    It must be nice to ONLY have 450000 illegal immigrants in your state. In California we have an estimated 8 Million illegal immigrants sapping the states coffers. Your gross overestimate of the economic contribution of Illegal immigrants is laughable. Does your state mandate ESL classes in public schools.... Didnt think so. Does your state provide spanish translators in its court system??? Does your state print all forms and documents in Spanish??? Does your state spend $4 billion for the incarceration and court fees associated with illegal immigrant criminals??? If you are such a proponent of the positive economic impact of illegal immigration, then by all means, open your wallet and pay for it!!!!

    September 3, 2010 at 12:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Commonsense

      The facts are what they are, despite the temptation of ignorance to look the other way.

      From a report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), entitled "The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Georgians," it is reported that the Georgia currently spends about $1.6 billion a year to provide three basic services to illegal aliens and their dependents - K-12 education, public health care, and incarceration of criminals. These costs associated with the estimated 450,000 undocumented immigrants residing in the state amount to a $523 a year burden for every Georgia household headed by a native-born American.

      However, this $523 per capita burden for public expenditures must be considered in the the context of the $215.6 million and $252.5 million collected annually in taxes from undocumented immigrants, (See Coffey, Sarah Beth. "Undocumented Immigrants in Georgia: Tax Contribution and Fiscal Concerns." The Georgia Budget and Policy Institute. January 2006), and the additional expenditure losses per capita of $2,234, $992 for output losses per capita, and $622 for income losses per capita, that would result from the removal of undocumented immigrants participating in the Georgia business economy. (See "An Analysis of the Economic Impact of Undocumented Workers on Business Activity in the US with Estimated Effects by State and by Industry." The Perryman Group. April 2008).

      That is, considering just the business activity contributions of undocumented immigrants, Georgian citizens positively benefit a net $3,425 per captia after adjusting for public expenditures on undocumented immigrants, including public health. This net public benefit assessment does not include the additional public benefit enjoyed by Georgia citizens resulting from the $215.6 to $252.5 million in taxes collected annually from undocumented immigrants.

      September 3, 2010 at 12:29 | Report abuse |
    • ddb

      I have just one question for all.... how do we know any of these statistics are accurate if they are on "undocumented" workers. How can we keep track of something there is no trace of? these can only be rough estimates. Also I think California and any other border state is an exception to any rule. We have it bad and I am scared to think of what the true citizens will do when pushed to the limit and it seems the limit is getting pretty close.

      September 3, 2010 at 13:32 | Report abuse |
  2. themoi

    Send them back home. If they die, oh well, that's their problem. They are criminals and should be treated as such.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Commonsense

      What one says, and the manner in which the say it, often reveals more about the integrity of their own intellect, than the message the seek to communicate.

      September 3, 2010 at 12:36 | Report abuse |
  3. TWM

    This is BS. Why give these illegal immigrants anything that will keep them here. DEPORTATION is the only answer. Not medical care.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:33 | Report abuse | Reply
  4. chuck

    Give me a break!!! This is 38 people on the verge of death. Let them have dialysis. If you want to get angry about something, focus your attention on the thousands of illegal immigrant women who get free prenatal care and free visits to the maternity ward to have baby number 5. Houston, Texas is the epicenter of maternity ward abuse. Not only is the delivery free, but baby number 5,6 and 7 are now legal U.S. citizens, free to bring illegal momma and pappa into the legal fold of citizenship once they turn 18. Down with the 14th amendment. It is breaking the backs of our school system and raising school taxes to unbelievable heights at a time when we can least afford it.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Scary greedy

      Wow and I thought it was all the GOP tax cuts for the rich that was unfunding things

      September 5, 2010 at 09:44 | Report abuse |
    • Ron

      It is, the illegals are just a smoke screen, anyway it is the rich and those that want to be that are hiring the illegal thus creating this issue!

      September 5, 2010 at 11:15 | Report abuse |
  5. Richard Ringgold

    Nice thought, saving the imigrants, given unlimited resources, which is a misnomer. Priority!! Triage!! Maybe helping homeless vets, etc is a better way. Seems like not treating the Illegals lowers their numbers, which is a good thing.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:34 | Report abuse | Reply
  6. jk8369

    taxpaying individual:

    So the illegals should be treated better than Grim Reaper? Is that what you are saying? If that is so, then why the hell would anyone continue working and doing the right thing in this country?

    September 3, 2010 at 12:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • taxpaying individual

      I DId not say they should be treated better, nor did this report mention of it. and i also dont see anywhere in this report any mention of who paid for their dialysis, and did patient pay for this ?
      i work in emergency room as nurse. you the irony is lot of people who dont have HEALTH INSURENCE use it as primary care facility. the thing is as contrary to the belief, 95 % OF THESE PEOPLE ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS, BORN HERE. THEY HAVE A REALLY LARGE FAMILY, AND THEY CLOG UP THE SYSTEM.
      so it is just unfair to accuse illegal immigrants for eberything

      September 3, 2010 at 13:41 | Report abuse |
  7. candy

    i['m tired of pqyingover48% taxes to see illegals getting the cream of medical treatment. I pay for my health insurance and have to wait for bypass surgery until the hmo SAYS it is necessary I have had a heart attack but still have to wait for a life saving operation.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:34 | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Karen

    This is called being 'Humane'–Many of you will have to google that.
    I'll bet that many of you who critcize this dialysis are the same people who go to church on Sunday and claim to be a Christian and follower of Jesus. Shame on you for making Jesus weep at your selfishness.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • SchoolNana

      To Karen Nice One!

      September 3, 2010 at 16:17 | Report abuse |
  9. Laughed

    It is time for US to stop this from happening.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  10. JustAGirl

    Oh for the love of all that is holy. More proof that while this country won't even take care of it's own citizens it has no problem taking care of other countries people who are here ILLEGALLY. *shakes head* I honestly hate saying this because I don't want anyone to die because they're denied health care... but you're not LEGAL. And seriously, there are LEGAL Americans in this country who cannot manage the sort of care we dish out to every ILLEGAL, Jose, Manuel, and Pedro. Hell one of the reasons I cannot get state health care (have been out of work for ages now) is because I am not a migrant worker. *blinks* Well, that's right. I am a born and raised American though!

    September 3, 2010 at 12:44 | Report abuse | Reply
  11. SpinDoctor

    Dialysis is unique as a life-support treatment in that patients are stable after dialysis until 2-3 days later, when they would need maintenance dialysis again. So the issue is not whether the hospital is "withdrawing" care, but whether they can discharge the patient without any outpatient plan. If they do not receive dialysis, they will drift off into a uremic coma, and die; thus proper discharge planning requires dialysis care.

    Whether or not we support their illegal presence is irrelevant; the hospital must provide life saving treatment. Here is the financial dilemma: either pay for outpatient intermittent dialysis, or keep them admitted in the hospital...forever.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:47 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Sandy

    You can send the medical bills to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest, Washington, DC 20500-0004

    September 3, 2010 at 12:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Discontent

    No medical facility will give me free care to take out my infected gall bladder, I have no health insurance – I have thousands of dollars in health care bills from hospitals and I can't afford to get my gall bladder taken care of. I go to work sick almost every other week. The doctors will charge me hundreds of thousands of dollars to treat me but they won't treat me free and I was born here and lived in this country all my life – where do you draw the line? So very unfair!

    September 3, 2010 at 12:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • j14401s

      I sympathize with you. Our daughter has the same problem.
      Go to the emergency room and refuse to leave, even if you have to act like a kook.
      It works. I've seen it work when I was in the emergency room several times.
      Keep pressing them.

      September 3, 2010 at 14:59 | Report abuse |
  14. Oscar

    What always amazes me by all the rationalizing people do in calling concerned people racists etc. is this basic question: If our laws are disdained so much by the illegals and the elites that condone their behavior....WHAT IS THE LIMIT? Where do you apologists draw the line, or do you have ANY LINE AT ALL? If we in the US are supposed to have open borders, do we just absorb all of Mexico if every last one there would like to come in? Then how about Central Americans (many of those slain last week)? How about a number of other countries further away? In fact, what is so magical about them crossing a border? Why not just take on the whole budget of some other countries? Why not the WHOLE WORLD? Nobody ever gets asked that question and nobody ever admits their answer for it is basically complete indifference to what happens to THIS country at some point (even if you don't think we've reached it yet). I don't get it. This hyper-sensitivity has led to recent protests by hispanics in my downtown that claim they are against "tax and deport" policies. WHAT? Do you think as an illegal, using a social security number illegally, that you should get some kind of refund or be able to apply for an exemption that other workers don't have? Fine, step right up at the start and admit that you're illegal (of course this probably wouldn't result in any deportation anyway).This complete entitlement and ingratitude is really getting under people's skin.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:51 | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Big Dish

    Reaper your such a dumbass. Obama had nothing to do with this, it had nothing to do with the healthcare bill and it was never his decision to make but you have to through that dig in. I could go on and on and on about the horrible misjudgments that Bush made that cost this country thousands of lives and trillions of dollars but that has nothing to do with this issue.Should illegals get free medical care on our dime, absolutely not. They should have been arrested and deported on the spot. HEY INS we don't get to choose which laws we want to obey!

    September 3, 2010 at 12:54 | Report abuse | Reply
  16. janet bausch

    I am struggling to pay 600.00 in cobra cost and they people get coverage for free. They dont get the work ILLEGAL..... but gosh they should get alot more than honest hard working americans.......

    September 3, 2010 at 12:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • kevin schiller

      I hear ya Janet; and your right it really sucks

      September 3, 2010 at 13:21 | Report abuse |
  17. SENSE

    ITS TIME FOR THE U.S TO HELP ALL WITH MEDICAL NEEDS. INSURANCE IS EXPENSIVE. Take away the fact that they are illegal and focus on the fact that they are humans with families like all of us and need medical help to survive and not die! No one wants one of their own family members to die no matter what!

    The government WASTE money on things as it is.. at least here its helping HUMANS live. And illegals also pay the government taxes some way some how, all those unreported taxes every year, and even sales taxes.they too also form part of this economy even if we dont talk about it... so dont know why people beleive they dont give anything to the government.. so just give that HUMAN an extra couple of years to live with the treatement.

    September 3, 2010 at 12:59 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. TheRealBillC

    It's worse than you think. Not only have the courts (not the government) decided that illegal aliens deserve both emergency and non emergency medical care, but 15% of the available organs for transplant are reserved for foriegn nationals. That's right, at a time when there are not enough transplantable organs, we are letting American die so that others from other countries can live.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:00 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. Commonsense

    Dialysis care for End Stage Renal Disease patients became the first universal health insurance program during the Nixon administration supported through the Medicaid and Medicare programs. Davita and Fresenius (a German, foreign corporation), the two largest providers of dialysis care operating in the US, had a joint net income of $1.2 billion last year. Most of those profits were earned off of tax payer subsidized Medicaid and Medicare programs. Perhaps the conversation should not be so much about how we should be distributing limited resources, but more about re-examining the reimbursement amounts that the Medicaid and Medicare programs provide to private companies (include foreign corporations) that monopolize the dialysis care industry and become filthy rich at taxpayers expenses.

    Perhaps with encouragement by the US government for Davita and Fresenius to development a network of dialysis clinics in Mexico with rates affordable to Mexico consumers as a condition for the US government not adjusting domestic Medicaid and Medicare reimbursement rates to reducing their windfall profits.

    Sometimes the pie is actually bigger than described, and there is enough to share.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:01 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. Jason

    I see the outrage on both sides here. I think the anger expressed at this comment is not just that it goes to illegals for no charge, but that honest working folk work hard for access (or go without because they cannot afford it) and end up paying so much they may go bankrupt, while others get it for free. Yes, it is 'only' 38 people. But, it is also a small snapshot of a greater number. I work in surgery, and am greatly opposed to illegal immigration. On the other hand, I have had 3-year-olds on my table with life-threatening scoliosis (enough to impede lung function) who's parents hopped the border because their child would otherwise die. For me this is probably the most difficult ethical conflict of legality vs humanity. I would never deny a patient, but knowing others (myself included) are being drained dry because everyone wants "everyone else" to pay is certainly disheartening.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:01 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. jim

    Look if you don't have kidney issues don't speak. Seriously shut your mouth and never speak on any kidney related issue. I have had a transplant and was on Dialysis and I have to say if you don't have this don't ever speak about it. You don't understand. Don't talk about transplant.

    If you all go and sign up for organ donation you can continue reading this. If you actually donate an organ then maybe you can post.

    I am not saying anything about this issue. I am a fascist politically and so right I make beck look like a new dealer. I am just saying stay out of our stuff. I don't your support or negative comments.

    It is so offensive when you healthy people talk about kidney stuff just shut the hell up.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ddb

      so who is paying your bill? We are voicing our opinion on a subject because that is what we are allowed to do. I am an American and I choose free speech.

      September 3, 2010 at 13:39 | Report abuse |
  22. wendy

    They are illegals!!!! They shold not be receiving care that my hard earned AMERICAN tax dollars are paying for. That money should be going to help americans without insurance not some illegals who dont even belong here

    September 3, 2010 at 13:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • SENSE

      you should feel good your tax dollars are saving a life. haha its your deed of the day.. and who knows what your tax dollars are paying for. this country wastes so much money on other things that are far worse then saving a HUMANS life.

      September 3, 2010 at 13:58 | Report abuse |
  23. taxpayerman

    I'm moving to Australia, heck with the US.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  24. David

    Burn it all! Let it burn, let it burn~ Burn, burn, burn, let it burn, let it burn.
    Someone more deserving will inherit our lost right to rule. There will always be a leader and those that are forced to follow.
    Question is my fellow spoiled Americans – do you want to lead and make the hard decisions (and reap the benefits) or do you want to be led and used by those who have the balls to take life by the horns and subserviant others to their will. It will never change, nature dictates that the strong will rule over the weak. I don't like the rules I just live by them.
    BTW lady who looks forward to me going to prison and making license plates. It is federal prison, I won't have to work you dips$hit. I won't even get raped, that only happens in state prisons. thehehehhehe.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. David

    I have tried taxpayerman. They won't take us. Only if you are a nurse or an engineer will Australia let you move there. Try Belize, they are the only foreign country that accept Americans as immigrants. My cousin has a house there and maybe if I am lucky my visa will be cleared soon. I don't have any special skills they want but she is sponsoring me and my family. They have a higher standard of living than us too and 95 percent of their native population speaks english. Unfortunately for me, when the IRS comes for me they will deport me, so I am probably screwed anyway. That being said, I will not pay my income taxes anymore. Come and get me IRS, I will only cost you money thru trial and incarceration. You will get no more money out of me bloodsuckers.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:31 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. mesayso

    Hippocratic Oath. Dialisis is not denied to anyone

    September 3, 2010 at 13:37 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Richard Ringgold

      The hippo oath is obsolete, not taken since jefferson airplane days.

      September 3, 2010 at 15:07 | Report abuse |
    • DialysisRn

      You don't know what you are talking about. Medicare kicks in 3 months after someone starts hemodialysis, providing that they qualify with enough worked quarters or if they can fall back on a family members work history. Then it pays 80% of the bill, leaving the patients to foot the other 20% or find a secondary insurance that will pay the other 20%. If they find a secondary, then they may have a $500-600 monthly premium to pay. Sometimes they may find some assistance with this, many times they cannot. They also owe for the first 3 months of treatment if they had no coverage at the beginning of treatments (for hemodialysis, not peritoneal). Currently, in some states, patients can be turned down for secondary coverage by insurance companies because of it being a pre-existing condition. That practice should change down the line, but not yet. One of the biggest stressors of our dialysis patients is whether or not this is going to bankrupt them or be a further burden to their family. Every day we see (American) people who have to choose between buying groceries or buying medicine and paying for their health care. Medicaid can certainly help, IF the person can qualify. Many, many (American) people do not.

      September 9, 2010 at 21:37 | Report abuse |
  27. Ramone

    This is an outrage!! Illegals getting better health care than Americans? Where is the outrage? If we were to go to their country, all we would get is a bullet in our heads!! They come here and get the goods while America falls further in decline.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. Commonsense

    I am sadden by much of words I read above. The tension between our moral and ethical commitments to providing treatment and care to needy and vulnerable individuals and immigration policies is real; enough said. Vetting the asserted factual basis behind the position is at the core of pluralist debate. I see far to little of that in the exchange of comments above. I am more afraid of what the lack of serious thought and thoughtful dialogue says about the state of our nation than the issues of access to health care and immigration. Our history was shape by great debates: whether to become new nation or to remain as colonies; whether to divide as nation or remain united; whether to hold to true to our founding promise upon the declaration of independence as a nation, that all men are created equal, with God given unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; and so on. How do we as citizens engage each other in civil public discourse on the policies and positions of the day that will affect our lives and the lives of those to come after us, in a real and meaningful way?

    September 3, 2010 at 13:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • lc

      Commonsense,

      You spout off all of the statistics as if people are going to be impressed by it. They arent. You said in a previous post that the state of Georgia spent 1.6 billion to provide three services for illegals. Dont you see the problem in this? The state of Georgia shouldnt be spending this because they arent supposed to be here to begin with. If the government was enforcing the laws and deporting these people and securing the borders like they should be, there wouldnt be discussions like this. There may have been dialysis treatment for all since the Nixon era, the point is this is the United States and those benefits are for American citizens and not for anyone who decides they are going to stroll across the border. The taxpayers of this country pick up the tab for all these services and states all across the country are going under. Why dont you see this? People are also fed up with the attitudes of these people. They sneak across the border and then act is if they are entitled to make demands in this country. Thats why people are fed up, dont you get it? Americans are amazingly generous people but we dont like being screwed over and thats whats happening. They dont like us, they dont respect us or our laws, they are here for what they can get out of it and they have no allegiance or regard for this country. I went to a citizenship swearing in ceremony when I was 14 years old and Ive never been as touchked by anything in my life. Here was a room full of people who had gone through the proper channels and were here legally, they had embraced this country and probably loved it more than most Americans even do. They were squirming in their seats they were so excited they were about to become American citizens. These are the kind of people we want here. Now do you get it?

      September 3, 2010 at 14:43 | Report abuse |
    • SENSE

      TO IC

      you pretend like those illegal immigrants came across the border just to reach to a hospital and demand for help. i doubt it. i'm sure those people with illnesses wouldnt even make it across the border through the desert or w/e they may come in from. Second they also contribute to the taxes u so boldly talk about. where ever they work with w/e social they use they are getting tax dollars taken out and dont even report them at the end of the year so even better for the government. you act like all of our tax dollars were spent wisely by our government when the reality is that our tax dollars are wasted on other things far worse then saving a HUMANS life. As humans its a far good act to help another human survive and live another day to be with their families no matter if they are from another world. So stop worring about your tax dollars you dont see it anyways at least now you know that there are lives of HUMANS being helped.

      September 3, 2010 at 19:40 | Report abuse |
  29. Jane

    My friend, who is a US citizen, died of cancer because she didn't have insurance or money to pay for treatment. She should have posed as an illegal immigrant to get free treatment. She might still be alive today.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:43 | Report abuse | Reply
  30. jeff

    Americans are too lazy to work. If mexicans are coming here and getting jobs, its because they are applying for them. I work in a financial institution and see Americans on the daily complainging that they have no jobs to pay for their loan. What they do have is 2 arms, 2 legs, hands, feet, eyes, etc. so why don't they apply for these jobs??? It's Simple, because it's not an office job where they can sit and be lazy and get fat. So they don't apply. As for health care, it may be a little unfair how some get free health care and others have to work for it. But, what all you complainers don't see here is that illegal immigrants pay taxes while their here too. LOL.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  31. rrock

    I am sympathetic to those in need but we cannot police the world nor can we afford to provide health care for it. If they are identified as illegal they should be deported because they are violating the law.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:52 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. kris

    OMG! My Grandfather passed away due to not having access to dialysis,and my Grandmother had to file bankruptcy due to astronimical medical bills. You've got to be kidding me–they just swing open the doors for those who don't bother to follow our rules and become legal citizens, but men/women who fought/fight for our country can't even get the most basic care! Oh how PO'D I am right now! What I want to say would surely be flagged by someone and removed!

    September 3, 2010 at 13:54 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. Doug

    I can't believe that our taxes are paying for benefits for illegal immigrants. They should be sent back to their country and have their fellow taxpayers pick up the tab. How is it that we pay for their medical care yet we can't pay to send them back? Illegal immigrants broke the law to get here and think that they (and their needs) are more important than everyone else's. Rather than apply to come to this country, they cross one of the borders. Imagine if all the illegal immigrants were radical terrorists – I think Obama would be more focused on securing the borders if that were the case. Instead he turns a blind eye to those who break the law.

    September 3, 2010 at 13:57 | Report abuse | Reply
  34. ADAM

    The illegals sitting on their porch drinking beer all day collection welfare can now live longer! Our president sure loves to screw the American people, you know it's their taxes that will pay for this.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:15 | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Lynne

    I have to say that, given our situation of a health care crisis in this country, we should NOT be providing care to those who are here Illegally. Period. We need to first make sure that all people in the country LEGALLY have adequate health care first. Send them to their home countries.

    We need to get serious... very serious about solving problems here. We need to make health and healthy living a priority right now.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:27 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. elizabeth

    Why do I have to pay exhorbitant insurance premiums and pay my medicals bills when the illegals get free health care, my taxes go to pay for their health care costs, in our hospitals and emergency rooms they don't pay a penny, the Women go to our hospitals and have their babies and don't pay a dime, I for one am sick of it.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Psychoticbliss

      Not only that, but they also get money every month to buy things like ibuprofen and feminine products and cold medicine. All brand name. I have to buy generic. I was told I make too much money when I applied for assistance several years ago, I was only making $8.00 an hour. I watch them sit around where I live, popping out kid after kid and I am tired of paying for it. Where is the end?

      September 3, 2010 at 15:15 | Report abuse |
  37. Sevoruco

    The illegal immigrants donot pay federal income tax,social security or medicare.They take home a clean paycheck with no deductionS.And now they want the free use of hospitals parks,libraries. Who is to blame easy the companies and private enterprizes that make themselves richer using them ,most of its own by recknecks the same ones who rallly against immigration and are members of the KK or The Minute men .Make them legal and make them pay taxes or round them up and ship them back to their countries and put all these enterprizes out of circulation by putting heavy fines to them.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:39 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. j14401s

    I've been a victim of illegals receiving medical attention before a legal, paying citizen.

    The hospital representative, showed the clerk ,how to bypass the computer system SS number portion, to get a illegal in for treatment ahead of me.

    I asked for the same courtesy, by asking if they could bypass something in the system so my insurance wouldn't have to pay for my care. Needless to say, the representative couldn't help us, American, born and raised to get help before an illegal.

    Lousy system isn't it.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:39 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. j14401s

    Since we apparently don't have enough physicians, why do we allow illegals to use their time and expertise in our hospitals, when there are so many American citizens with no resources to get medical care under any circumstances.

    What part of illegal isn't recognized in this case.

    No one wants to take responsibility. We are moving backward in this country.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:51 | Report abuse | Reply
  40. j14401s

    It just occurred to me. The next time I go to the hospital, I'm going to tell them I don't have a S S number anymore. Maybe I can get treatment that way.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:53 | Report abuse | Reply
  41. j14401s

    Maybe we should take positions with hospitals and secretly put paying, American citizens ahead of illegals when it comes to overriding the computer systems. That would throw a kink in the process wouldn't it. When that supervisor over road the computer, he was doing the exact same thing.

    September 3, 2010 at 14:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. Advice Wise

    taxpaying individual – please use spell check

    September 3, 2010 at 14:58 | Report abuse | Reply
  43. Ituri

    I can hardly miss the irony of two articles in the same section.
    One reads "Family Insurance Rates Skyrocket 14%."
    Another reads "Free Dialysis for Illegal Immigrants."

    Anyone else see the problem with this? All you people who fought against civilized, universal healthcare should be ashamed of yourselves. Its cheaper, more effective, AND is successful in nearly every other modern country in the world. All those we claim to respect, that is.

    September 3, 2010 at 15:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  44. j14401s

    I keep suggestion on all the websites that I can get to print what I write, (some won't), that we do not deport these people to their own countries. They seem to be very disillusioned by their own countries policies and conditions, so lets send them to France, Germany, Siberia, etc., or any other country that will allow our planes to land, disembark the people and then take off. No passport, no proof of citizenship, nothing. Just what they came to our country with. They would have the same opportunities there, as we are being told that other countries are as good as ours.

    September 3, 2010 at 15:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  45. Psychoticbliss

    I am so fed up with this. Not only could I, as a single parent, get NO help for my daughter, my insurance rates just went up fourteen percent. I work and pay taxes but could never afford insurance on her. I had to rely on the kindness of friends and family. Let's just keep taking care of everyone else and ignore our own. I am open minded but this has gone WAY too far. Send them home.

    September 3, 2010 at 15:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Insuranceandtaxpoorcitizen

    Great. I'll wave to them on my way to Tijuana this month via public transportation, which is the only place I can go to afford health care at this point. My recovery room will be a cheap Mexican motel. I pay for insurance too, but the deductible is $8,000 and uncle Sam takes what I have left at the end of the day. That's the reward for living honestly in this country.

    September 3, 2010 at 15:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  47. Charlotte Long

    couldn't agree with most of you more...........take care of AMERICAN citizens first.....when we have no one in need of food, shelter, medical care, etc.....think about others then............America needs to reclaim itself...........get the damned illegals out of here....if they do not become citizens....send them and their kids back.....cheaper to do that than to continually take care of them

    September 3, 2010 at 15:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  48. susygarrido

    I feel sorry for all you. In Canada we have free top of the line health care and we don't have to have pettty arguments about whether or not we can help our fellow man...............remember that...........fellow man, these are people!! people that are very sick, don't think of them as illegals, think about them as human being, I pity your shallow hearts and your small minds! You guys make me sick!!

    September 3, 2010 at 15:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ituri

      How selfish and cruel of you to judge Americans the way you have. We see our families and friends lives ruined by unavoidable medical problems and costs, even the rich go bankrupt for paying medical bills. Those who have insurance get denied care commonly, even though they paid for coverage. We go through all this, then learn that people who shouldn't even be allowed in our country are getting FREE and MAJOR health care, paid for by OUR taxes, when we can't even get our corrupt government to give our OWN citizens the same human consideration, despite the majority of Americans supporting Universal Care (like Canadas). Then you call US selfish and shallow? You clearly have no idea what the USA climate is health-wise, so who the H are you to talk about us?

      And do you have any idea how Mexico treats Americans down there? Do you think we get free healthcare? If an American illegally crosses the border, he's put in a Mexican prison to ROT for months with no trial, and you're calling US inhuman? Rude little B, aren't you.

      September 3, 2010 at 15:27 | Report abuse |
    • susygarrido

      I have lived in another country where health care was aweful and I had to pay for it. I had to face the beginning stages of my mother's ALS there and my family was forced to sell everything we owned to get her medical attention. So don't you dare call me selfish, I am simply saying that yes your health care is awful, and yes I'm sure people go through horrible experiences but that does not mean we have to lose our sensitivity to our fellow human beings. These people are also going through a terrible illness. I promise you that I would not care if my I was in the U.S. and money was being used on this, it would be of much better use than some of the other spending I see the U.S goverment doing.

      September 3, 2010 at 15:43 | Report abuse |
    • Ituri

      You dare to call others selfish when you KNOW the circumstances others often face? That makes you what, then? Just a run of the mill hypocrite?

      NOBODY is saying "let these people die." I WANT them to get care. What makes people so angry though is that actual AMERICANS, who have lived in, served, and worked for their entire lives, get death sentences if we can't sell enough of our own lives away to pay for healthcare that SHOULD be provided Universally to ALL Americans. But if we must choose, and we must ALWAYS choose, it will be an American first with American effort, because a country is judged by how it treats its own first and foremost. We let our own people die for insurance company loopholes, and you're angry we don't want to give freebies to others who ILLEGALLY come here to ABUSE our system.

      And you dare act as if you're on some platform above us. Talk about gall.

      September 3, 2010 at 16:08 | Report abuse |
  49. Dave

    No illegals should receive ANY free medical treatment while even one legal resident can not receive the same treatment for free.

    Why is it that illegals, who bypassed the line to legally enter the country in the first place, always seem to be at the front of the line for every single government (or private) handout? Enough is enough! If you can not provide proof of legal status, you should have to wait at the end of the line for EVERYTHING!

    September 3, 2010 at 15:25 | Report abuse | Reply
  50. JJ

    Here's the thing. My great grandparents were also immigrants. But, they were a different kind of immigrant. They came here for opportunity, not hand outs. There were not hand outs and there was not socia security, Medicaid or welfare. They came here to work and they only had the number of children they could afford to support. They came here, not to be leeches, demanding the US to cater to them, but desiring to be citizens, desiring to assimilate and to better themselves and the lives of their children. So please don't tell me that it's inhumane of me to demand a stop to illegal immigration and demand a stop to illegals draining our public welfare system. Illegals today get treated far better than the legal immigrants who passed through Ellis Island generations ago.

    September 3, 2010 at 15:35 | Report abuse | Reply
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