June 28th, 2010
09:38 AM ET

Combo shot boosts kids' fever-related seizure risk

By Miriam Falco
CNN Medical News Managing Editor

Children who get a combination of measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox vaccines in one shot are at a slightly increased risk of getting a fever-related seizure, compared with children getting two separate shots – one containing measles, mumps and rubella and the another containing the chickenpox (varicella) vaccine, according to a new study published in the journal Pediatrics.

"The risk of a febrile seizure after any measles-containing vaccine is low – about one febrile seizure in 1,000 doses" says lead study author, Dr. Nicola Klein, co-director of Kaiser Permanente's Vaccine Study Center. "But if a child gets the combination vaccine, the risk doubles," says Klein.

 Researchers looked at vaccine-safety data from more than 459,000 toddlers between the ages of 12 and 23 months and found there was one additional case of febrile seizure for every 2,300 doses of MMRV (measles, mumps, rubella, varicella) vaccine given. The seizures occurred seven to 10 days after the injection.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a febrile seizure is a fever-related seizure, which can occur when a child has a fever at or above 102°F or when a high fever is going down.
"Febrile seizures are benign," Klein says, meaning they're generally not dangerous. "They are very frightening to parents, but do not lead to long-term seizures or epilepsy."  The American Academy of Pediatrics agrees: "While febrile seizures may be very scary, they are harmless to the child. Febrile seizures do not cause brain damage, nervous system problems, paralysis, mental retardation, or death."

Febrile seizures can occur in children ages 6 months to 5 years, but are most common in toddlers ages 12 months to 18 months, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians. Klein says up to 5 percent of children will have a febrile seizure between 6 months and 5 years, but that they are more likely to be caused by a common cold or other infections.

This combination vaccine was first approved in 2005. "The benefit of the MMRV is ease of administration," says Dr. William Schaffner, chairman, Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University and a liaison to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, the CDC's vaccine advisory board.

It was that ease – a single shot for four vaccines, which led the ACIP to recommend a preference for this new vaccine back in 2006, says Schaffner.

Klein presented early research to the ACIP in 2008 suggesting an increased risk of seizures. This led to the CDC to change its recommendation last year from preferring the combination vaccine to having no preference.  This means MMRV or the MMR plus chickenpox vaccine may be given for the first dose for children 12-23 months.

This new study confirms Klein's earlier research.   This "final result is exactly what we expected," says Schaffner. "This study provides a basis for every pediatrician."

""The ACIP has quite clearly said both [MMRV and MMR plus chickenpox separately] are good – both provide protection."  But Schaffner says if there is any doubt for the parents or pediatrician, "two [vaccinations] is the way to go."

Klein says the benefit of the MMRV is "one less injection for children." Her study concludes that pediatricians who choose to use this combination vaccine need to be aware of the risks, albeit small, and clearly communicate them to parents. If parents choose to go with separate vaccinations, their child will get the MMR vaccine in one arm and the chickenpox vaccine in the other arm.

Although the MMRV has been available for five years now, usage of this combination vaccine dropped significantly after the manufacturer, Merck, announced it would be unavailable after July 2007 because of a shortage of the chickenpox vaccine.

According to the CDC, Merck was taking orders for the MMRV vaccine starting on May 10 of this year and according to the manufacturer, the vaccine is now available again.

The updated package insert for the MMRV vaccine say it "is associated with higher rates of fever and febrile seizures at 5 to 12 days after vaccination," compared with children who got the MMR and chickenpox shots separately.




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  1. truth only

    When we first heard about Hannah Poiing and mitochondria dysfunction / disorder, the CDC Dir. said in a press conference
    if you have a reaction and there is fever and there is a mitochondria underlying problem, then there will damage.

    The CDC had a secrete meeting with six teams of mitochondria specialist, they were discussing that what we are seeing in Autism might be starting with a mitochondria nuclear DNA. And that there may be as as many as 1 in 50 that has it.

    They also were discussing that the reason we are here,(Autism epidemic) is to many vaccines and the reason we have not left (Autism declining) here is because they went back with Thimerosal in pregnant women.

    This is what should scare the hell out of anybody that reads this the same people there said this ;


    One person on the call (those interviewed for this article asked to remain anonymous) told me that, "the CDC people were informed, in no uncertain terms, that they need to look into this issue immediately, and do something about it." The clock is ticking, they were told, and if they don't respond, the information will be made public.

    Still, the doctor said, he was enormously impressed by the "seriousness" with which CDC officials treated the possibility of a link between mitochondria, autism and possibly vaccines as well.

    June 29, 2010 at 14:48 | Report abuse | Reply
  2. truth only

    In the recent landmark Hannah Poling case, filed in Federal "Vaccine Court," officials conceded that Hannah's underlying mitochondrial dysfunction was aggravated by her vaccines, leading to fever and an "immune stimulation that exceeded metabolic reserves."

    But on March 6, CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding claimed that Hannah's case was a rare, virtually one-of-a-kind incident with little, if any relevance to the other 4,900 autism claims currently pending in the court - or to any other case of autism for that matter.(There were conflicting accounts about whether Gerberding was on the call or not).

    Since then, however, Dr. Gerberding and other CDC officials were made aware of a Portuguese study, published last October, which reported that 7.2% of children with autism had confirmed mitochondrial disorders. The authors also noted that, "a diversity of associated medical conditions was documented in 20%, with an unexpectedly high rate of mitochondrial respiratory chain disorders."

    "Apparently, the Portuguese study really got their attention," one of the participants said. "It's a highly significant finding. And it's worrisome enough to definitely look into. I think the CDC people know that."

    They also know that some reports estimate the rate of mitochondrial dysfunction in autism to be 20% or more. And the rate among children with the regressive sub-type of autism is likely higher still.

    Vaccine safety officials on the March 11 call may have been open to discussing mitochondria and autism, but they were probably highly unprepared for what was to come next.

    One doctor reported his findings from a five-year study of children with autism, who also showed clinical markers for impaired cellular energy, due to mild dysfunction of their mitochondria.

    The biochemistry of 30 children was studied intensively, and in each case, the results showed the same abnormalities as those found in Hannah Poling, participants said. Each child had moderate elevations or imbalances in the exact same amino acids and liver enzymes as Hannah Poling.

    ( When you read below where they are talking about "following some type of unusual trigger, or stress, placed on their immune system." THIS IS WHAT VACCINES DO THEY PUT THE IMMUNE SYSTEM INTO OVER DRIVE ( THAT IS STRESSING
    THE IMMUNE SYSTEM! Dr's Ped's)

    In the same paragraph you arrogant Dr.'s and Ped's need to look at the facts! that "All thirty children also displayed normal, healthy development until about 18-24 months of age, the age of a major stress on the immune system three live viruses given at one time, also the Thimerosal was given in the other shots that were given at the same time.

    All thirty children also displayed normal, healthy development until about 18-24 months of age, when they quickly regressed into clinically diagnosed autism (and not merely "features of autism"), following some type of unusual trigger, or stress, placed on their immune system.

    Researchers explained on the call that some data show that mitochondrial dysfunction can convert into autism "in numbers that make it not a rare occurrence," one participant told me. They explained this as "a distinct syndrome; not a mixed bag at all. Every kid had mild mitochondria dysfunction and autistic regression."

    June 29, 2010 at 15:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Doug

      It you are going to cut and paste chunks of articles, you might want to read (and critically analyze) the entire article first. You fail to mention that in the study of 30 kids with regressive autism and evidence of mitochondrial disorders that you cite, only in two of the 30 cases (6%) was regression seen near the time of vaccination.

      Given the frequency of vaccination during 12-24 months, it is remarkable that so few coincided (I would have expected that by random chance, you would have more than 6% temporally linked to vaccination). So, even in autistic kids who also show some signs of mitochondrial disorders, the article you quote suggests that in 94% of cases, it is clear that the vaccines did not cause the autism (and in the other 6%, it is possible that the vaccines caused autism, or possible that the timing in coincidental).

      This is certainly a far cry from your claim that "autism is solved", and "vaccines did it."

      June 29, 2010 at 15:38 | Report abuse |
  3. truth only


    To save a vaccine program that is DEAD!!!!,Dr's Ped's people are tired of poisoning their own children, for the greater good!!!
    The people do not trust CDC ,AAP any more and you Ped's need to wake up to the DAMAGE done before you have nothing but Autistic children to treat.

    June 29, 2010 at 15:27 | Report abuse | Reply
  4. bensmyson

    "...before you have nothing but Autistic children to treat"

    CHA-CHING!!! Like that's not the objective in the first place.

    June 29, 2010 at 15:39 | Report abuse | Reply
  5. another nut job

    If want to believe that the government loves you and and vaccines wouldn't hurt you, then go break a mercury thermometer and drink the mercury. Ask for the label of the vaccine you are taking and look at the warnings. When the gov't tells you to stand in front of the ditch you just dug, will you do it?

    June 29, 2010 at 15:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dannielle

      What about th deaths rpetroed:As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasilae . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. CDC reportsI spoke to the FDA about the stroke-like event following the vacinations with Gardasil.Can you name any girl 12 years old that get a stroke ?I stop giving Gardasil. I started to use Cervarix.I do not trust MSD. The paid 4,700 to experts to do lectures about 3x normal WHY?Gardasil is 70% effective 16 and 18. Cervarix 90 % effectiveI do not let drug reps in my office. I am a pediatrician and former pharmacist.VA:F [1.9.10_1130]please wait...

      September 14, 2012 at 02:13 | Report abuse |
  6. truth only

    I find it very strange DOUG you did not say anything about this statement;


    One person on the call (those interviewed for this article asked to remain anonymous) told me that, "the CDC people were informed, in no uncertain terms, that they need to look into this issue immediately, and do something about it." The clock is ticking, they were told, and if they don't respond, the information will be made public.

    Doug do you know why they said the CLOCK IS TICKING? because it is, the IACC Dir.Dr. INSEL said this How we prepare the Nation for 1 million people who may need services. He also said;

    "Eighty percent of the people with a diagnosis of autism are under the age of eighteen."
    Insel described it as "a huge wave that is moving through the system."

    He left out this small detail huge ( Financial ) wave 1 .2 to 5 million each child that we have vaccinated into total dependence of a no conscience non caring arrogant medical community.


    June 29, 2010 at 16:35 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Doug

      I didn't respond to that statement because, unlike many people on message boards, I try not to post about things that I know nothing about. This comment is based on an anonymous source's description of a secret phone call, so obviously I have no idea whether it is accurate.

      However, what is striking is that you very clearly missed the point of the article. The article ("The Next Big Autism Bomb: Are 1 in 50 Kids Potentially At Risk?" by David Kirby) claims that new evidence suggests that mutations in mitochondrial proteins may predispose kids to autism, with subsequent triggers leading to regressive autism. However, the article makes it clear that vaccines are rarely, if ever, the trigger for the onset of autism in kids carrying these mutations, as regression only coincided with vaccination in 6% of patients. In other words, although you cut and pasted from the article, you got the conclusion completely wrong.

      If this result is true, it would be a highly significant finding. However, it in no way demonstrates the arrogance of the medical community, as you claim. Something must cause autism, and the medical community has been looking for a cause; in fact, the medical community has frequently been condemned by the "vaccines cause autism" crowd for looking for genetic causes.

      June 29, 2010 at 17:36 | Report abuse |
  7. truth only

    It seems you missed this Dougie,

    They also know that some reports estimate the rate of mitochondrial dysfunction in autism to be 20% or more. And the rate among children with the regressive sub-type of autism is likely higher still.

    What is it that you do not understand about 1 in 50 children that may need services for (life total care) because if the researcher is right that is where we are heading. And they where hinting very strongly that vaccines were very the
    main suspect. Here is a example of their incompetence ;

    As heard at the congressional hearing on Autism and vaccines, concerning his grandsons vaccine reactions.

    The congressman said; My grandson had 9 vaccines 7 of which contained the mercury
    on one day, 2 days later full blown Autism (From NT to Autism in 2 days)

    lets look at the amount in PPB Parts Per Billion, and compare that to what the
    EPA considers Liquid Hazardous Waste which is set at 200 PPB.

    The amount the children received in the 90's playing CDC AAP vaccines catchup is 32,500 PPB on one day at one setting, they put 160 times the amount of mercury that the EPA considers liquid Hazardous Waste in our babies. Doug is that amount of a neurltoxin healthy for little children???

    Lets add a little more incompetence;

    You see that's is not even mentioning the Aluminum that is in children's vaccines as a catalyst,that in it's self is strange. Because the MSDS Manufacturer Safety Data Sheet say's under reactivity data, Aluminum as a metal to not mix with Their product Thimerosal. You see even the Vacc. manufacturer knows the two react violently together when mixed, and the toxicity is greatly enhanced by a factor of 10 x

    I dare you to debate me over the phone on the science, I do not have a PHD but from what I have seen and as my preacher had said when he was a psychologist he came to the conclusion that should stand for POST HOLE DIGGER (PHD)

    He was working at a psychiatric hospital, and they showed him 2 bags of pills (small white trash bags) 1 for downers and one for uppers. When he saw this he quit being a psychologist.

    What we have done to our children in this nation, in the name of the greater good. God destroyed other places like Soddom
    and Gomorrah for less.

    June 29, 2010 at 17:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Doug

      I didn't miss anything. Once again, the fact that the rate of mitochondrial dysfunction in autism could be 20% has absolutely nothing to do with vaccines. The article states that DNA mutations in genes encoding for mitochondrial proteins predispose people to autism, and that subsequent triggers cause autism onset and regression. It then says that "Apparently, in only two of the 30 cases, or 6%, could the regression be traced directly and temporally to immunizations." In other words, in at least 94% of cases, the vaccines did not cause the autism. Further, temporal association does not imply causation, so it is possible that even in the remaining 6%, vaccines had nothing to do with it.

      So, to sum it – your article argues that even in kids with mitochondrial mutations, vaccines are at most responsible for only 6% of autism cases. Instead, the article says that specific genetic mutations can predispose a person to autism. If true, it is a highly significant finding, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.

      June 29, 2010 at 17:52 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      And just so you don't think that I am ignoring the rest of your post, let me address you two other issues: mercury and aluminum.

      Mercury: It seems like this argument is about a decade too late. Mercury (thiomersal) has been systematically removed from vaccines (with the exception of the multiple dose flu vaccine), and yet there has not been any drop in autism rates, so obviously it is not what was causing autism. So, why are we still talking about this? You can debate whether thiomersal ever should have been in vaccines, but at this point it really isn't relevant.

      Aluminum: Why don't you look up the amount of aluminum in vaccines versus the amount that the average person ingests daily, and then get back to me if you still want to debate this.

      June 29, 2010 at 18:20 | Report abuse |
  8. truth only

    Doug you left this out

    Still, the doctor said, he was enormously impressed by the "seriousness" with which CDC officials treated the possibility of a link between mitochondria, autism and possibly vaccines as well.

    autism and possibly vaccines as well.
    autism and possibly vaccines as well.

    And that is why they said ; But at least two of the 30 kids with mito deficiencies were pushed over the edge into autism by their vaccines, and some researchers feel the number is probably much higher than that in the larger population.

    "Vaccines, in some cases, can cause an unusually heightened immune reaction, fever, and even mild illness," one participant said. "A normal vaccine reaction in most kids would be very different in a kid with a metabolic disorder. We know it happened to at least two kids in this study, and I'm certain there are many more Hannahs out there."

    One theory currently in circulation about what happened to Hannah and other children like her, is an apparent "triple domino effect." According to this hypothesis, it takes three steps and two triggers to get to some types of autism, and it goes like this:

    STEP ONE: Child is conceived and born healthy, but with an underlying nuclear DNA genetic susceptibility to mitochondrial dysfunction, inherited from dad.

    TRIGGER ONE: An early environmental "adversity" occurs in the womb or during the neonatal period, perhaps caused by prenatal exposure to heavy metals, pollutants, pesticides and medicines. Or, it occurs in early infancy, through environmental toxins, thimerosal exposure, or even the Hepatitis B vaccine "birth dose." This trigger results in:

    STEP TWO: Child develops mild, usually asymptomatic mitochondrial dysfunction (though I wonder if the ear infections and eczema so common in these cases might also be symptoms of mito problems).

    TRIGGER TWO: Child, now with an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, suffers over-stimulation of the immune system beyond the capacity of his or her metabolic reserves. This stress is either via a viral febrile infection, or from multiple vaccinations, as in the Poling case. This trigger results in:

    STEP THREE: Acute illness, seizures, encephalopathy, developmental regression, autism.

    Such a scenario might help explain why autism has increased right along with the addition of more vaccines to the national schedule.

    And it might help explain why autism rates are not plummeting now that thimerosal levels have been significantly reduced in most childhood vaccines.

    I believe this guy could be referring to the fact that Pregnant women getting the Flu vaccine by the recommendation of the CDC and the AAP, That in it's self is strange though considering that the Maker of Thimerosal on their MSDS sheet it states that pregnant women should never be exposed to Thimerosal for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation. At the Simpson Wood meeting where the CDC AAP FDA and the Vaccine manufacturers went to discuss that the American children may have been mercury poisoned, they discussed that you would never want to go any earlier with the Thimerosal or you would most certainly get more out comes. The Dir. of the CDC said she has read the simpson wood transcripts,and she knows them very well. Then the Dir. of the CDC would have known to not go any earlier, or she would cause more out comes ( AUTISM ) ADD ADHD Speech Delay) but she did. And don't forget the MSDS
    of Thimerosal saying never expose pregnant women to Thimerosal, one would have to come to the conclusion she the Dir.
    was a world class incompetent border line stupidity or she was afraid of a dramatic drop in the AUTISM rates and knew if she put it back through pregnant women the Rates would stay stable. Oh! I forgot she went in to children 6 mos to to years also, Doug how do you remove something that maybe obliterating the American children by your own findings,then tell the American public ASAP we are removing Thimerosal. Remove it and then put it back, all the while knowing what is on the MSDS concerning pregnant women and the fact when she did this the IOM UK said we find little to no evidence that the inactivated flu vaccine even works. And the best part Children 6 mos to 2 yr's get absolutely no benefit except that of a PLACEBO EFFECT. from the inactivated flu vaccine.

    The Dir. of the CDC premeditatedly poisoned children to keep the public from seeing a massive drop in the chronic diseases
    that has become the norm in our American children. Oh! I forgot in talking about having to remove Thimerosal they said "we have a plan in place" that plan appears to be ( Pregnant women and Children 6 mos. to 2 yr's ) getting the Mercury
    back in the children!

    It's possible that exposures from the flu shot, and residual mercury left over in other vaccines - perhaps in synergistic effect with aluminum used as an "adjuvant" to boost the immune response – might "contribute to the toxic mix that causes childhood mitochondrial dysfunction in the first place," one of the doctors said.

    June 29, 2010 at 18:51 | Report abuse | Reply
  9. truth only

    Is there some reason you did not say; and some researchers feel the number is probably much higher than that in the larger population. (such as in the United States that got more Thimerosal than any of the other countries). So with that in mind, the more Thimerosal the more out comes. In fact that was a major concern that was being discussed at the Simpson Wood meeting, and your no intelligence crack about the Aluminum was another concern they were discussing. You see the synergy effect of the two salts mixed was being discussed that could it raise the Toxicity of the Thimerosal. And If you
    really knew what you were talking about, you would know that the MSDS of Thimerosal list Aluminum as a compound to never mix with Thimerosal with. Again just for you The two react violently together when mixed, the mercury causes the Aluminum to oxidize with the production of heat. BTW NIH findings are our children are suffering from oxidative stress.

    And that is why they said ; But at least two of the 30 kids with mito deficiencies were pushed over the edge into autism by their vaccines, and some researchers feel the number is probably much higher than that in the larger population.

    Doug they were angry at the CDC you can read it in to what they were saying and make no mistake they were pointing to Vaccines as the main suspect.

    June 29, 2010 at 19:18 | Report abuse | Reply
  10. truth only

    Doug read this it is from the same article and the researcher is saying you are wrong the Thimerosal in the flu shot and the
    synergistic effect of the Aluminum may be the reason for the numbers not dropping.

    Such a scenario might help explain why autism has increased right along with the addition of more vaccines to the national schedule.

    And it might help explain why autism rates are not plummeting now that thimerosal levels have been significantly reduced in most childhood vaccines.

    It's possible that exposures from the flu shot, and residual mercury left over in other vaccines - perhaps in synergistic effect with aluminum used as an "adjuvant" to boost the immune response – might "contribute to the toxic mix that causes childhood mitochondrial dysfunction in the first place," one of the doctors said.

    There you are Doug, you cannot seem to comprehend what you are reading.

    June 29, 2010 at 19:43 | Report abuse | Reply
  11. truth only

    Doug talk about the 160 times the amount the EPA considers Liquid hazardous waste that was injected in our children,
    and today we are wondering what happened to our children brains they were turned to mush by the AAP and the CDC

    Just thought of this that is also on the MSDS of Thimerosal it Thimerosal is accumulative in the body it targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain.

    Doug, would you like to answer this. What is something that "is accumulative in the body and it targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain" doing in a child's vaccine?????care to answer?????

    June 29, 2010 at 20:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. truth only

    Concerned Physician, please prove that you are truly concerned. Read my post, and then please reply. I am going to do something now but I will be back late,r but by all means please reply to my post.

    June 29, 2010 at 20:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  13. truth only

    Concerned Physician this will no longer work "risk versus the benefits" the parents and grandparents with vaccine damaged children is growing with the increase in vaccines. You mentioned the HPV vaccine it has killed ( murdered ) 66 young women
    It has also mamed thousands to the point this is looking like what we used to call gulf war syndrome that was until they found that solders that have not went to the gulf still got the same symptoms you see Doc. they found it was the Aluminum that was in the solders vaccines. Are you aware of the Amount of Aluminum in the HPV vaccines almost 700 micrograms
    of Aluminum if you get all 3 vaccines and the three vaccines add up to a cool $1000.00 per child for you Dr's and Ped's and Pharma to split. Answer this Doc. why did the FDA allowed the Manufacturer Merck to put (Aluminum) in the PLACEBO in the studies on safety of the HPV vaccine. Let me answer that with what I believe Doc. the manuf. and the FDA knew that the Aluminum would cause a problem, and it would show up very strong. So they the FDA allowed them to use Aluminum in the placebo so it would be possible for the manuf. and the CDC to say that they were observing the problems in the placebo
    also. And you know what that doe's Doc. it washes out the study. the reactions are not valid if found in both the vaccine and the placebo. THAT IS KNOWN AS STACKING THE DECK IN PLAYING CARDS and it is very corrupt Doc.

    I have some home work for you Concerned physician; look up the gardasil girls on the net, some of the mothers that have lost their young girls have left the videos on the net of their little girls saying that they were fine before the vaccine and now they are dying! just for people like you Doc.

    Oh! Doc there was a person she was on the team that made the vaccine she said we did not mean this for young girls she also said at a conference that she was suppose to speak up at for the vaccine said that the pap smears were working fine
    she doe's not know why they made this vaccine. for it appears that the good doe's not out weigh the risk on this they ask why she said what she said for they were expecting the just opposite. She said I have to be sleep with my self at at night

    Since then she has evidently been threatened, she now has recanted what she said in front of a whole conference.

    Merck the maker of the HPV and the MMR vaccine had a hit list for Dr's that spoke out against their product Vioxx they said; we will discredit some, and some we may have to seek out and destroy them where they live.they also mentioned
    punishing academia to keep them in line. These thugs are the makers of your children's Vaccines. This is total corruption

    Doc. you can easily fact ck this you just put in the search engine or Google( Merck had a hit list for Dr's) In fact I left out that they are on trial in Australia for this kind of behavior.

    June 29, 2010 at 21:31 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. truth only

    Concerned Physician, the AAP said this is accumulative in the body, and we must find the best chelating agent and get with it. That was the first response of the so caring AAP remember they probably read the MSDS that states this; "Thimerosal is accumulative in the body and it targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain"
    Then the so caring AAP went to the Simpson Wood meeting and heard this ;

    Dr. Brent: Page 229: "The medical legal findings in this study, causal or not, are horrendous and therefore, it is important that the suggested epidemiological, pharmacokinetic, and animal studies be performed. If an allegation was made that a child's neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with "a reasonable degree of certainty". But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned."

    The AAP after hearing ". But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned." Doc. what the Dr. is conveying is that the science says that this is happening to the children and we could all be sued, the AAP evidently seen the light at the meeting because even after hearing that the damage was real and the vaccine preservative was probably to blame. The AAP then decided to put out a letter to their Ped's that if they are fighting a no Mercury ban bill in their state, they would fight with them to keep it in the children.

    June 29, 2010 at 22:02 | Report abuse | Reply
  15. truth only

    Hey anybody out there? or did my facts run you PR public relation employees off, not knowing what to say.

    June 29, 2010 at 23:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  16. truth only

    KSquared It is time to take you down!

    You said;
    "Except that the vaccine court knocked down the autism claims earlier this year. They aren't giving out money for autism because there is no scientific evidence that the two are connected."

    I am fixing to disprove everything you just posted on scientific evidence..

    In 2001 02 the IOM ruled the Autism vaccine Thimerosal link was
    biologically plausible.

    In 2004 the Autism community was
    told the that the prestigious Institute of Medicine
    IOM would be
    looking at the Vaccine Autism issue again,what they left out was this
    statement from;

    Dr. McCormick, for example, in speaking of
    the CDC, “noted that the
    “wants us to declare,
    well, these things are pretty safe on a
    population basisIt is later stated that
    what Walt wants Walt generally gets”

    she was speaking of Walter A. Orenstein, M.D.. Director, Emory Vaccine Policy and. Director of the vaccine commission for
    the CDC.

    The CDC also said pay little attention to the biological evidence and put all your confidence in the large population based studies. remember this in 2001 02 they the IOM had already declared it was biologically plausible! The large population studies in the VSD can be defeated very easily you see when we got hit at 9 – 11 guess what got put in the home land security bill? answer protection for Eli-Lilly for the damage done by Thimerosal, you see they were preparing for a tidal wave of litigation on the Vaccine preservative containing mercury causing damaged children. That is why they sought out Congressman Army from TX to insert the language in the bill.Several Congressman said it was not voted in
    and that was not fair and removed it 6 mos. later, the president GW Bush called Tommy Thompson of health and human services and John Ashcroft the attorney general and requested the VSD be sealed for life.

    That in it's self is strange, considering that the VSD large populace studies according to the CDC proves the children has not been hurt.

    One would have to ask, if that is your proof that the children were not hurt why seal the documents and why seal them for ever?

    Two Senators with integrity and compassion for our children was thinking just that, when they heard the President was sealing the documents for life.

    The pres. backs off when Senator leahy writes him a letter asking why are you sealing the documents for one, and
    why have you decided to seal them for ever. He then said "frankly it's as though you have first robbed the bank and you are trying to hide the proof of the damage done". He then asked for any and all communications between him and his staff on this issue.

    The president.then decides not to seal the VSD, FYI the president had three people working at the white house from Eli – Lilly top officials.The next attempt was senate bill 3 Protecting America from terrorism 2005 it was a good bill in the front pages it would give every fallen soldiers family $100,000 dollars. But the devil is in the details, in the back of the bill was the same litigation protection for Lilly. to make a long story short we defeated that bill then republicans introduced 10 shot gun bills with the protection they kept trying to get . One would have to ask if the children were not hurt, then why the multiple attempts at getting litigation protection. I bet a second grader could figure that out, Seems these days almost all politicians are for sale,they got the protection. But if the large populace studies are so good, one would have to ask why seal your
    proof my son was not damaged by his vaccines.

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    June 30, 2010 at 00:36 | Report abuse | Reply
  17. truth only

    Here is where you Ksquare lose all of your credibility this is the Dir. of the CDC admitting that they have no good quality science left.

    Now to present; The house appropriations committee asked the NIH to look at the science that the CDC says they have on vaccine and Autism, the NIH charged the NIEHS to look at the large population based studies in the VSD. Their findings were all the large populace studies were in effect useless, except the Denmark studies they they were found to be worse than useless if that is even possible.
    The committee asked for a response to the allegation that their flagship studies were useless, on vaccines and Autism. The Dir. of the CDC said; " CDC concurs " what she said afterwards is shocking, after admitting the science on vaccines and Autism is en effect useless that the CDC has. The Dir. Dr.Julie Gerberding said

    "but if you do give us more time we will do good quality studies" Ksquared that is total admission they had nothing left.

    She also said this "and any further use of the VSD looking at autism and vaccines would be misleading"

    The Dir. of the CDC had maintained for the 6 years that she was in office, that the VSD large population studies done in
    the VSD were of very good and of sound quality and of very well design and robust. She has been spreading misinformation for 6 years and misleading the nation by lying to the American public.

    So this is what the CDC told the IOM to put all their confidence in,studies that were deemed en-effect useless by the NIEHS of the NIH. Oh! I for got the Denmark studies, the IOM used them to declare vaccines do not cause Autism. The NIEHS of the NIH found that the Denmark studies worse than useless. So now we have useless and worse than useless that the IOM used to declare vaccines safe, so we are back to square one??? No! remember in 2001 02 the IOM ruled it was biologically plausible that vaccines were causing Autism. Worse than this is the Special masters knew that the large population based studies and the Denmark were debunked by the NIEHS of the NIH when they quoted that the large population studies and the Denmark studies were the science that they used to determine that the science was so overwhelming against the parents that they had no choice but to rule against the parents. WHAT SCIENCE IS HE REFERRING TO, the head
    of the NIEHS panel that was ordered to look at the science the CDC had said;

    "That leaves the CDC with very little to go on in terms that vaccines and Autism are not connected in anyway".

    Very little, is all you Dr.'s and Ped's have left and are basing your belief on the safety of vaccines.

    An up date on the Dir. of the CDC that mislead the American public she went to work one week passed her cool off period of one year at merck the company that had a hit list on Dr's that spoke against their products.

    Doc.Dr. Wakefields findings of the vaccine strain measles found in the Guts and cerebral spinal of the children, was replicated several times across the united states and other country's. In fact I talked personally with one of them and he said we found the same findings as Andy. You see ,the people after him had total ties, to guess who (Glaxo Smith and Kline) GSK the maker of the MMR UK, it came out in discoveries that the UK government had made a deal with the manufacturer of the MMR for total protection from liability from any kids who took the MMR and was damaged. Because the maker had said many would be damaged, and they would not make the vaccine with out the protection.

    If you want to fact ck me the Davis name will be useful to you, you will find the name Sir Crispin Davis and Nigel Davis and a short little man named Brian Dear that was able to get identities of the children that Dr.Andy Wakefield was examining which is unethical and maybe not even legal. It appears that all had ties to GSK the maker of the MMR UK.

    Dears boss was on the board of GSK the head of the lancet on the board of GSK Sir Crispin Davis:
    non-executive director of GSK

    One of the Davis brothers was a judge that suspended had all financial help to the poor, for legal services against the MMR GLAXO litigation. There you have it folks it looks like Andy was silenced to save their money.

    Hey! this is starting to look like a GSK lynch-mob trying to save their profits.

    You know, if you are on a board usually you have stock in the company. Corruption at it finest.

    Below is another maker of children's vaccines and a very good example of what they did to the Hero Dr Wakefield.

    Look this up,the company Merck had a hit list for Dr's that talked against their product Vioxx these are the manufacturers of your current vaccines in the AAP program.Organized crime has nothing on these thugs.

    Merck employees had "hit list" of doctors they sought to "neutralize", court documents reveal Previously secret documents that surfaced at a Vioxx court case in April of this year reveal pharmaceutical giant Merck maintained a "hit list" of doctors to be "neutralized" for speaking out against Vioxx.

    As was reported in The Australian, documents that have surfaced in the Federal Court in Melbourne expose the criminal intent of Merck staffers who admitted they intended to "stop funding to institutions" and "interfere with academic
    appointments." (That explains a lot of what has been happening in the United States)

    According to on-the-record testimony in this Australian trial, one Merck employee said, in referring to the doctors on the hit list, "We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live..."
    ( America, this is who you are trusting the health of your children )

    At least eight clinical investigators were threatened or intimidated by Merck, the court heard in testimony.

    Dr.Andy Wakefield was just another person to be "neutralized" for speaking out, right.

    I really get sick to my stomach,when writing these facts. For they have ruined my son Colton I will write about him in another post.

    June 30, 2010 at 01:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. truth only

    We waited 6 mos. to see a gastrointerologist You see our son would have so much pain, he broke his ankle twice twisting and contorting his body trying to cope with the pain. The school nurse called one day, and said Mr. XXXX please! come and get your son he is screaming in pain. He is pushing down on his knee down trying to break it, backwards, she then said the Gas x wasn't working on him today. He is also trying to break all the glass in the nurses station, Please! get here quick as you can. Now The reason he is in this much pain, is he has not been able to go to the bathroom in three days. Except little pills and mucus, and blood a lot of blood. Anyway getting back to the story, the night before the office visit Colton filled a diaper with a little stool and a lot of mucus and blood. I told my wife we were taking that with us in a ziplock bag. When we first saw her, she said "some children just don't like the feeling of pooping" and the bad behavior is just what autism is. I said Dr. I want to show you something, I pulled out the diaper with the blood and the mucus in it and said this is a child that doe's not like the feeling of pooping. He sits and grunts like an animal for hours in a corner, and and this is what comes out. She looked at me like she hated me, and I am shure she did. For making her look so stupid, you see most of the mainstream medicine Dr.'s do not want to even touch these children for they are an embarrassment to them. A lot of them know that these children are of their own making,with a very dangerous vaccine program. That is grounded and rooted in corporate greed and arrogance of the Dr.'s, and the very thought of the vaccine program they created could be destroying more children than it is helping in their eyes that can't be not be happening. The Autism centers of excellence are useless to these children, I have called everyone of them, and asked if my son has labs proven heavy metal toxicity, why are you not trying to do as the AAP said "we need to find the best chelating agent and get with it" chelating these sick children? after all it is on the CDC's website if you get to much mercury it is necessary to chelate. I guess that doe's not include mercury received through the vaccine program. They said to me that they were not doing any research except genetics, you see the so well meaning AAP was so afraid of law suits, they turned their backs on the very children they are supposed to be serving and have built their own reputation on caring for the children.

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      September 13, 2012 at 20:32 | Report abuse |
  19. truth only

    Picture this a child is born normal then at 27 mos several vaccines including the MMR which I believe is causing all these bowel problems. Anyway at the injection site a knot the size of a mans fist so hot it would burn you, the next day three mini seizures. And a child that was normal, is turned into an out of control locomotive. That use to eat everything under the sun was down to two or three items of food.Now think! a child that loved cake and ice cream the next day after the Vaccines would not ever touch it again, A child that ate rolled up turkey and ham lunch meat, did not touch it again. A child that drank milk for 27 months, one day! after Vaccines. would not touch it again! one day after vaccines he started sniffing everything and chewing like a rat the medical term was Pica, his since of smell was very heightened. So I assume the vaccines caused the seizures,which caused the heightened since of smell.And everything that once smelled good, might not smell so good anymore. I have a novel idea! why don't you at the Autism centers of (I cannot write this next word with out laughing out loud)"excellence" study why some children who get the vaccines, start sniffing like a rat and will not eat normal anymore then start flapping arms and losing the ability they once had to speak. I know that's not genetics, that you at the Autism centers of excellence love trying to pin this epidemic on. But! That is what is wrong with our children, and needs to be addressed. And by the way I did not marry my first cousin,that's the kind of research that wastes money and BTW is totally laughable. Sort of like to much TV to early, Old Dads,Old moms, Seems like you want to to muddy the water to a point, that the unlearned would just say anything can cause Autism. But I think the AAP had it right when they first heard about Thimerosal They freaked out and said It accumulates in the body, we must find the best chelating agent and get with it. I assume that they had read the MSDS of Thimerosal, where it states that Thimerosal accumulates in the body. Oh! BTW it is also on the MSDS it Thimerosal targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain. Hey! CDC AAP this Dad of a very sick sick child would like to know! Why is there something that targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain, in a child's vaccine? Also what is the story about Thimerosal that is 50% Mercury by weight and Aluminum in vaccines, when you mix the two you get the synergy effect of the two salts mixed. A toxin that would kill a hundred cells, will now after mixing Aluminum will kill 1000 cells. And when you are studying thimerosal effecting our children you leave out the detail that vaccines have Aluminum as a catylist, all the while knowing that the MSDS under reactivity data on Thimerosal states Aluminum as something not to mix Thimerosal with because it reacts violently togather. Hey ! CDC AAP What is something that reacts violently together doing in a childs vaccine? when the MSDS clearly warns you to not mix Thimerosal with Aluminum. It seems that vaccine safety is devoid of any common sense.
    And they do not know how to heed warnings, even from the manufacturer of the Vaccine preservative Thimerosal.

    June 30, 2010 at 02:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. truth only

    What you Dr's and so caring ped's doe's not get,is that the amount the simpsonwood attendees (the FDA, CDC, AAP,and the WHO,) were concerned about. That is also reflected in the minutes, was Bolus doses all at once. And the accumulation over a period of time,leading to further toxicity issues and neurological damage.Better known as ADD, ADHD, Speech Delay, or Autism

    Also when you add other metals to the Thimerosal, because of the synergy effect of the two salts mixed. You then open up another can of worms of toxicity, worse by 10 x. Another words a toxin becomes a super toxin. That brings us back to that pesky 7 vaccines given on one day, at one setting adding up to 32,500 ppb that is 160 times the EPA standard of the toxic mercury Liquid Hazardous waste EPA says is 200 ppb. So what they ask is, did the one vaccine (example DPT) cause the damage in this child. Leaving out the major fact that the child in a real world setting, could get as many as 9 vaccines at one time 7 of which may contain Mercury. But all will contain many other toxins. Including Aluminum that is in vaccines to cause a heightened immune response, for that is the secret to vaccines. And why many believe they work, so at best,I have learned with many years of research. that vaccines are a crap shoot. And with all the large increases in chronic diseases in our children,you may have better odds in Las Vegas than you do in your pediatricians office.

    Signed Concerned dad, living with the after math.Of the total incompetence of those responsible for vaccine safety.

    June 30, 2010 at 02:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Edmilson

      I'm so glad you're going to do some posts on this topic! You're perspective will be hpufell for many of us I'm sure. I'd love for conversation and ideas about how we can make sure kids who start the vaccine series finish it since kids aren't protected until they get all three doses. I think it is also important to talk about why the vaccine is recommended at age 11-12, younger kids's immune respone, and also all the research and follow-up monitoring that has been done on the safety of this vaccine.VA:F [1.9.10_1130]please wait...

      December 18, 2012 at 07:05 | Report abuse |
  21. truth only

    For those who do not believe me, maybe you will believe one of your own. that said; In a 1991 memo, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, one of the “fathers” of Merck's vaccination programs, warned management that 6-month-old children who, when administered the shots on schedule, would suffer mercury exposures 87 times the government safety standards. He recommended that Thimerosal be discontinued and complained that the US Food and Drug Administration, which has a notoriously close relationship with the pharmaceutical industry, could not be counted on to take appropriate action, as did the European regulating counterpart. Merck ignored Hilleman's warning, and for eight years government officials added seven more shots for children containing Thimerosal.

    This is proof that they do not even listen to their own, when they are begging to get it out!

    Dr.Hilleman also said that " this was not daily doses as such, it was bolus doses all at once. When viewed in that manner it appears rather large." So much for the CDC and the AAP saying that this was small amounts of mercury this well credentialed Dr. disagrees.

    June 30, 2010 at 02:42 | Report abuse | Reply
  22. truth only

    Before the Mercury apologist here, state that tired old mantra.This is a different kind of Mercury;Let me tell you a story I was watching TV,that week the IOM had made their statement Thimerosal was not the cause of Autism. I was watching an interview on first coast news. The reporter said, Dr.Cochi are you telling us it's OK to put mercury in our young baby's? You could see the shock on his face,that she asked that question. He looked like a deer caught in headlights, then the lies began. he said "this is a friendlier gentle kind of mercury, also we know, that it doesn't cross the BBB (Blood Brain Barrier) Boy was this guy misinformed! 1st off, It is on the Manufacturer Safety Data Sheet of the Vaccine preservative Thimerosal "that it
    is acculative in the body and it targets the organs of the body in – particular the Brain and the lining around the Brain" Readers that is the Manufacturer words, not mine. 2nd when Pichichero claimed his study of about 200 babies and children, who were injected with vaccines containing ethyl mercury (thimerosal), showed that measurable mercury levels in the blood of the children were gone within 3.7 days. This, says Pichichero, is much quicker than the average 44 days it takes for methyl mercury (found in fish) to be undetectable in the blood. Ergo, he says, exposure to thimerosal does not cause brain damage or autism!

    Dr.Thomas Burbacher the NIH paid for researcher on primates replies.

    "Not so fast", says Thomsas Brubacher, M.D., a scientist who studies the biological effects of ethyl mercury on primates. "Just because it came out of the blood doesn't mean it is excreted from the body. It could have gone to the brain. In primates, you actually get more mercury in the brain after exposure to ethyl mercury than with methyl mercury – it has an easier time crossing the blood brain barrier."

    He just said that Thimerosal (Ethyl) crosses the BBB easier than the (methyl)

    Here's another reason, this cannot be true the MSDS of Thimerosal states Thimerosal is accumulative in the body.

    So how could the CDC recommend that the pregnant women, should get their flu shot containing Thimerosal that appears to
    be maybe two and a half times more toxic and crosses the BBB easier than the fish mercury.

    But stay away from the fish mercury, we just learned that Thimerosal crosses the BBB easier than doe's the fish mercury.

    It seems Dr. Cochi was wrong. Also on the MSDS; pregnant women should not be exposed to thimerosal, for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation.

    So now you have it readers, the way that the CDC and pharma get's away with the misinformation that caused a generation of sick children is, that most of the public doe's not know what I just shared with you. They count on you and the Ped's and Dr's not doing your home work, that is why Dr.Cochi began to lie to the public, he was counting on you the public and the Dr's and ped's not knowing any different.

    Personally I do not like liers having anything to do with vaccine safety.

    June 30, 2010 at 02:59 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. Howie

    Clearly "Truth Only" has a personal story that is nothing short of tragic. While I am not sure all of his claims and theories can be bourne out by facts, neither can they be dismissed out of hand. I keep seeing the vaccine apologists here stating that Thimerosil has been removed from vaccines. This is simply not true. We took out daughter to the doctor for the standard round of vaccinations (less than a year ago). I asked the nurse, almost as a joke since I had heard the media message that there is no more Thimerosil, "there isn't any Thimerosil in this is there?" "Oh no sir, that isn't in any kids vaccines any more". Then I asked to see the package of the stuff they were about to stick into my kids arm. "CONTAINS MERCURY (THIMEROSIL)". Neat. I asked to look at a few more labels even though we were not getting those particular shots that day. EVERY SINGLE ONE CONTAINS THIMEROSIL!!!!! The nurse was horrified. She actually started to cry thinking of all the concerned parents she had been unwittingly LYING to. We left without getting any shots that day.
    Now, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it sure seems like something fishy is going on here. Why is the general public being lied to? There has been a huge media campaign to let us all know that Thimerosil is not in vaccines any more, but there it is. As far as the studies that have supposedly disproved the Autism / vaccine link, it really doesn't seem like they asked the right questions. Any intelligent person realizes that a study can be crafted to prove or disprove just about anything depending on how you ask the question. I am suspicious of the motivations of the people who put these studies together, and I don't think they have given a fair hearing to all the actual cases of children having catastrophic events that coincide with vaccinations.
    I do believe that Vaccines have done great good for humanity, but I feel that many doctors get stuck in a 'one size fits all' mentality. There is evidence that is apparently being ignored by the mainstream medical establishment that certain individuals are being greatly harmed by these substances. My own sister had a bad reaction to a vaccine as a child. I was too young to know what exact vaccine it was, but she developed a major infection at the injection cite, had a dangerously high fever, and spent about a week screaming constantly (not just fussy baby, this was a single high pitched note like feedback from a microphone). Once she 'recovered' she was never the same – a once bright, happy child was now constantly grumpy and began to show slight developmental delays. As a teen she was a problem child, and has never really been able to make it as an adult – now she is on state assistance where she will likely be her entire life. She is not autistic, but she does have some personality disorders and has a complete inability to control emotions and impulses. Her siblings do not have any of these issues nor do they appear in any of the extended family. Could this have been a coincidence? Of course. But, it also could have something to do with the vaccine and the reaction she had to it. The problem is, unless the medical establishment decides to ask the question with an open mind toward any possible answer, we'll never know.

    June 30, 2010 at 10:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Rudi

      Does the HPV4 vaccines that boys reevcie also protect again the strains that cause cervical cancer? I wouldn't give my son a vaccine just to spare him warts. What makes me very angry about the discussion around the vaccine is that most people seem to think that boys really have no role to play. Girls bear the risk of cervical cancer so they should bear the responsibility of completing the 3-part vaccine course. Last I checked, it wasn't 4,000 die-hard Lesbians who died of cervical cancer each year. How do you address the sociological aspects with your patients and their parents?VA:F [1.9.10_1130]please wait...

      September 14, 2012 at 02:55 | Report abuse |
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    truthonly, you ought to go visit the No vaccine-autism link: Get kids shots article that CNN just posted just recently.

    June 30, 2010 at 21:37 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. truth only

    Where is all the mercury lovers,and child poisoners gone to Valerie? And If you want to post my truth I give you permission.

    June 30, 2010 at 23:40 | Report abuse | Reply
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