June 25th, 2010
09:54 AM ET

Kids may need 2 H1N1 doses again this year

By Miriam Falco
CNN Medical News Managing Editor

Children over 6 months and under 9 years old who haven't received an H1N1 vaccine yet can expect to get two doses of seasonal flu vaccine this fall, if the Centers for Disease Control adopts recommendations from its vaccine advisory committee.

The CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices voted to add this recommendation to the usual seasonal flu rules at a regularly scheduled meeting in Atlanta on Thursday.

Young children under the age of 9 who never got the H1N1 or never got seasonal flu vaccine will need to get two seasonal flu shots or sprays, says Dr. Anthony Fiore, a vaccine specialist at the CDC, who presented data to the committee.  Children under the age of 6 months are too young to get any flu vaccination.

Each year the three most common strains of flu virus are chosen to be included in the seasonal flu vaccine. Because the H1N1 pandemic virus (also known as swine flu) is still the most prevalent flu virus circulating, the World Health Organization recommended this strain be one of the three strains included in the upcoming flu shots and sprays.  U.S. health officials adopted those recommendations earlier this year.

When young children between the ages of 6 months and 9 years get any flu vaccine for the very first time, they have to get two doses anyway. That's because their bodies do not have any real built-in immunity against flu viruses yet. According to the CDC, the first dose of flu vaccine "primes" their immune system and the second dose (given about a month later)  provides immune protection.  This allows their bodies to built up enough immunity to fend off the flu. If children only get one flu shot the first time they get a flu vaccination, they will get little or no protection from the flu, which can be particularly dangerous for children young than 5 years.

Since the H1N1 vaccine is part of the next seasonal flu shot or spray, even children under 9 who already received two regular seasonal flu vaccines in the past but never got the H1N1 vaccine will have to get two doses of seasonal flu vaccine, because H1N1 is in the seasonal vaccine this coming flu season. Likewise, if the first and only flu vaccine young children received last year was the H1N1 vaccine, they will have to get two seasonal flu shots or spray (depending on their age) too,  because they need to be protected against the two other predominant flu strains circulating other than the swine flu virus.

The CDC estimates at least 60 million people or about 20 percent of  U.S. population was infected with the pandemic H1N1 flu virus since the spring of 2009.

Children were among the hardest hit by this new virus. CDC estimates from April to November 2009 that between 830 to 1,730 children under the age of 17 died from this flu. Health officials say the best way to protect yourself from getting the flu is to get vaccinated.

However, some parents or medical records may not accurately reflect if a child actually got the H1N1 vaccine, which was not included in last year's flu vaccine because H1N1 emerged after seasonal flu production had already begun.

Since the H1N1 strain will be included in the next seasonal flu shot, and if parents or pediatricians cannot be sure a child got an H1N1 flu shot or spray, flu experts recommend erring on the side of caution and giving young children (between ages 6 months and under age 9) two flu vaccines later this year.

"We're really promoting [flu] vaccine for anybody over six months," says Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

The CDC still has to approve and implement the recommendations of its advisory group.

soundoff (162 Responses)
  1. Debra

    Let's just keep pumping these drugs, which have not even been proved to be effective, into our children and infants. Like they aren't already being "vaccinated" enough, The drug companies haven't made enough $$$ yet!

    June 25, 2010 at 10:20 | Report abuse | Reply
    • AD

      Try to convince one of the families that lost a child to this virus of that logic. I don't recall hearing once that the h1n1 immunization killed anyone. I do recall parents had to bury their child after contracting the virus.

      June 25, 2010 at 13:53 | Report abuse |
    • CS

      AD said it perfectly.

      June 25, 2010 at 14:35 | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      True that, before people go out and get their kid's the H1N1 flu shot, try looking into the fiasco that just occurred with the WHO and H1n1 vaccinations. Months before making H1N1 an epidemic, the WHO changed and relaxed the definition of "epidemic". Also, two of the scientists who testified to the WHO about the danger of H1N1 and the need for vaccination were found to be getting PAID by the two pharma companies that got the contract to mass produce this vaccine. And the WHO knew about it and kept it secret. If you only get your news from CNN, wake up!!!!


      June 25, 2010 at 15:05 | Report abuse |
    • ESP

      AD and CS, you make tearful arguments, but where is your data? When you account for children with pre-existing conditions, the chance of your child dying in the United States from H1N1 are significantly less than less than one in a million. Over 200 people died from the vaccine in Canada alone. That is about a one in 4000- OF DYING, not to mention nonlethal bad reactions.

      June 25, 2010 at 15:21 | Report abuse |
    • Pinolera

      My child was sick with the H1N1 and he is an asthmatic. When he showed the first sign of flu i immediately started breathing treatments to keep his airways open and I also took him to the docdtor who prescribed Tamiflu. Tamiflu nocked the virus in 24 hours. I would not give my child H1N1 vaccines. I know of someone who almost died from it. Was partially paralized from it but she is doing fine now. It affected people from different part of the world differently but was very hushed hushed and underreported.

      June 25, 2010 at 16:34 | Report abuse |
    • Todd M. Elsner, D.C.

      A world leading immunogeneticist and biologist, with nearly 850 papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots in a 10 year period, his or her chances of getting Alzheimer's disease is ten times higher than if they had zero, one or two shots. Page 25 in the link below.

      Source: United States Food and Drug Administration. http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/transcripts/2006-4218t2-01.pdf

      June 25, 2010 at 23:15 | Report abuse |

      I totally agree with you, its a disgrace that the findings from concerned scientists have found a lot of these vaccines unsafe and yet our health authorities are pushing them on innocent vunerable babies, I pray for the babies with unaware parents that God protects them from the ill effects of these toxic vaccines!

      June 26, 2010 at 06:26 | Report abuse |
    • J. Palmer

      Response to AD and CS, you are severly misinformed. Weeks before the offical reports from Mexico, we had H1n1 in our communtiy, its was a fast flu that was quite mild, with quick fevers and a bit of sore throat, I went to the local health authority to notify them that our kids were experiencing the list of symptoms published by the WHO, with one difference, they were NOT severe. The medical staff treated me like a crackpot, and denied that it was in Canada, then one week later closed the Decker Lake Elementary school because of swine flu. Then they wanted to immunize all the kids, even the ones that had already come down with the H1N1, even though they know with absolute assurity that injecting flu strains straight into the blood wipe out the immunization pattern that is already stored in the body from having the flu, what kind of idiot would further risk their childrens health by doing so. The WHO and health Canada idiots, thats who. It is so glaringly wrong by their own research papers, I started researching into vaccinations and found that they were ignoring their own science to sell sell sell the vaccine. According to their own vaccination studies the vaccine does not stop you from getting the flu, in fact you are at a higher risk of getting it, and only has a 30% chance of reducing severity, and less than 1% chance of reducing mortality rate. Now look at the risks from injecting foreign materials directly into the blood, compare that to the mortality risks of H1N1 published by the CDC, notice anything? Like how you have more of a chance to die from vacciantion than you do from H1n1. Dont just watch Fox and CNN, try researching the science that is already available, and make an educated decision for yourself and your family. Now that we have all had swine flu, why for the sake of their profits would you risk your childrens health? To give another example of how brainwashed the medical community is I will tell you what happened when I ran into a friend who is a RN (registered Nurse), that was sick with the H1N1, she complained that she was very sick, with a cold on top of the flu, i responded by saying, "well at least you dont have to risk the vaccination", she replied by saying "oh I am getting my flu shot next week", even educated people can be stupid when it comes to propaganda, why would she go and vaccinate against something she has already had, because they told her to. I get more sick reading peoples uneducated opinions than the H1N1 every made me.

      June 27, 2010 at 13:51 | Report abuse |
    • Lou

      As an alternative to the worthless “vaccination” being pushed on us for the bio-engineered viruses please consider two vitamins to reinforce your immune system.

      Vitamin D: I take 10,000 IU of vitamin D3/day. Vitamin D is required to keep the virus from entering your deep lung tissue. With a good level of vitamin D in your blood your body produces the antimicrobial peptides which allow the interception and destruction of the viruses, ANY virus, in your upper respritaory tract BEFORE they can enter your deep lungs.

      A test of viral bio-weapons appears to have occurred in the Ukraine last flu season and hemorrhagic lung was the chief cause of death. I suspect hemorrhagic lung may be the chief threat during our Political Pandemic.

      Vitamin C: Vitamin C also aids your immune system in destroying virus invaders. Vitamin C is required to produce collagen. When you suffer massive tissue destruction such as during a serious viral infection, your vitamin C needs may exceed one gram/hour. In any case one gram/hour is a good place to start IMO.

      16 Sept 2010

      Did 1918 Spanish Flu Deaths Result From Aspirin-Induced Vitamin C Deficiency?

      “In a more recent experiment, mice were genetically altered so they did not synthesize vitamin C in their liver as most other animals do (guinea pigs, primates, and humans are an exception as they don’t naturally produce vitamin C within the liver and must completely rely upon the diet for vitamin C). These vitamin C-deficient mice were inoculated with influenza virus and experienced massive damage to their lungs compared to vitamin C-adequate mice. Researchers concluded that supplemental “vitamin C is required for an adequate immune response and in limiting lung pathology after influenza virus infection.” Journal Nutrition. 2006 Oct; 136(10):2611–6

      “If overuse of aspirin during the 1918 Spanish flu was the primary cause of flu-related death as Dr. Karen Starko contends, then modern medicine has missed a large lesson on how to prevent flu-related death – that it was aspirin-induced scurvy that heightened mortality during this worldwide flu pandemic, maybe not the flu itself. If this hypothesis is true, then preventable mortality continues today. Many hundreds of thousands have needlessly succumbed to a vitamin C deficiency induced by self-treatment with aspirin and/or modern medicine’s continued failing to practice nutritional medicine.” Bill Sardi

      “In fact, as revealed in this article, the lack of vitamin C may be attributed to most of the flu deaths over the past century.” Bill Sardi

      Please read this insightful article. There is a very good chance the whole 1918 slaughter was a Rockefeller and Rothschilds induced event. Just as it is this time.

      It is clear to me that at a minimum vitamin C deficiency plays a LARGE role in virus death by hemorrhagic lung, IMO the chief threat from our Political Pandemic so far. Taking one gram of ascorbate/hour as advised in the virus fighting protocol, will stand you in good stead should you come down with a serious case of the flu. Of course large amounts of vitamin D should keep you from ever getting into a hemorrhagic lung situation.

      Should you or a loved one come down with hemorrhagic lung an IV vitamin C drip may be the only thing that can save you. Most hospitals will refuse to perform this IV vitamin C drip. When forced to do it a “lost” patient has often been saved.


      September 18, 2010 at 00:27 | Report abuse |
  2. abby

    this is a bunch of bull....your kids don't need that many vaccines!
    do some research, the pharmaceutical company that manufactures the H1N1 vaccine is overloaded with vaccines so they are pushing them on the american public...don't fall for this trick!!!

    June 25, 2010 at 10:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DC

      What a load of crock! I can't believe people like you still believe your own drivel. Vaccines save lives! It's why we don't die from diseases like Smallpox, polio, diptheria, etc. anymore. Babies are starting to die again from pertussis because of fools who believe immunizations are done just for money. Give me a break. Just keep depending on herd immunity to protect yourself and your kids.....when your child is affected, you'll think twice about your own idiocy.

      June 25, 2010 at 15:28 | Report abuse |
    • ESP

      DC evidence based medicine (Cochrane Library) shows that flu vaccine does not work.

      June 25, 2010 at 16:00 | Report abuse |
    • J. Palmer

      OMG, you really dont read at all do you DC. In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" ). My uncle, the person in front of him, and the woman behind him all got polio, 2 weeks after recieving the vaccination in 1962.

      • In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)

      In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

      In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)

      In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)

      • In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

      On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. http://www.wellnesschiro.com/physic...
      (Report by Michael Devitt)

      You had better hit the books and start reading

      June 27, 2010 at 14:11 | Report abuse |
    • Lou


      Here is why many infectious disease has greatly lessened. Vaccination and howling at the moon have the same effects EXCEPT howling at the moon will not often kill you. Vaccination will often soften you up for a kill.


      September 18, 2010 at 00:33 | Report abuse |
  3. Samantha

    This doesn't make any sense. There are three strains in the flu vaccine every year. This article is suggesting that every child needs two doses of the flu vaccine each time there is a new strain. But that has never been the case before. The strains rotate every year, never before has it been announced which strains are in the vaccines, so how do parents know whether their child needs two doses in any given year?

    For example...for simplicity let's say that strains A, B, and C were included in last year's vaccine. My child got two doses. This year it's strains A, B, and D. My child has not been exposed to strain D, therefore he would need two doses AGAIN this year. Next year maybe it's strains A, E, and F; so again he would need two doses.

    Under that example, he has now had SIX doses of strain A and FOUR doses of strain B.

    June 25, 2010 at 10:27 | Report abuse | Reply
  4. Ron

    Parents should be warned they are subjecting their children to needless vaccines which kill!!!

    June 25, 2010 at 10:41 | Report abuse | Reply
    • cindy

      kill the virus yes. the vaccines are safe, i'm a promoter of them and i'm a hypochondriac when it comes to sticking anything extra into my body that's not natural. all it is the dead virus being shot in you along with other "chemicals". the flu can kill you, especially the young and old that is nothing to gamble with, don't be such a scaredy cat.

      June 25, 2010 at 16:58 | Report abuse |
  5. seabreeze

    Mmm, mmm good. Stick out your child's arm and yummy up for some good ol' fashion mercury. Yep, that's right, the flu vaccines are still chalk full of mercury. Don't believe me? Look it up for yourself. Maybe we need to rename mercury kryptonite. Then maybe, just maybe, we could get the medical industrial complex to stop putting it in our vaccines (and fillings, too!) Animal studies indicate there is NO SAFE LEVEL of mercury. Even at the lowest exposure levels, it can cause tremors. Which part of this statement does Merck et al. not understand? Oh, I know, you're getting yourself and your child vaccinated to "protect the herd." Well guess what, if you or your child has a bad reaction, don't be surprised when the herd that you so galliantly protected is nowhere to be found.

    June 25, 2010 at 10:45 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Noble9

      FluMist has no mercury.

      June 25, 2010 at 16:53 | Report abuse |
    • cindy

      my kids were fine and they didn't get the flu. don't listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

      June 25, 2010 at 16:59 | Report abuse |
  6. M.

    Looks like the propaganda machine has started early this year!

    June 25, 2010 at 10:45 | Report abuse | Reply
  7. Brian

    Don't take this vaccine!

    June 25, 2010 at 10:46 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lou

      Baxter Labs who laced their "2009 seasonal flu vaccine" with the deadly H5N1, is the manufacturer of the "novel" H1N1 vaccine included in this years "seasonal flu vaccine". Now you don't suppose that Baxter Labs once again mixed a little deadly H5N1 in this years "seasonal flu vaccine" do you?

      Since the vaccine has not been tested I guess we won't know until the bodies hit the floor. Of course the poor virus will be blamed not the "vaccine". Ah things are so simple when we have a corrupt government overseeing a corrupt big pharma working for the eugenic Rockefeller clan.

      September 18, 2010 at 00:53 | Report abuse |
  8. aaron

    Dont forget the scandal with the top official for WHO( world health org) recommending the vaccine only to benefit his pocket book!

    June 25, 2010 at 10:53 | Report abuse | Reply
  9. Alyson

    Are we sure this isn't a ploy by the pharmaceutical companies to sell more flu vaccine? Seems most of the recommendations lately come from Big Pharm and doctors being paid by them.

    June 25, 2010 at 10:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  10. 2i2`

    yeah right
    Ill take my chances against this marketing promotion

    June 25, 2010 at 11:03 | Report abuse | Reply
  11. mike

    Yep, if they didn't get sick last year, give 'em two doses! That outta make 'em sick!

    June 25, 2010 at 11:04 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lou

      I have heard Republicans are to get three doses and old people on SS are to get one a week until they stop collecting SS. LOL!

      September 18, 2010 at 00:57 | Report abuse |
  12. Jason

    Drug 'em up...and since we blew this H1N1 out of proportion last year and have all this surplus – double dose your kids this year...just keep mainlining whatever they tell you to

    June 25, 2010 at 11:10 | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Brandon

    Come on, enough of this BS. Use your money on curing/preventing something that is actually affecting a lot of people. The regular flu has a lot higher of a kill rate than H1N1; do something new with it.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:11 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. Chuckles

    ..lets see, millions of unused vaccines = extra shots. Yeah, thats the way to do it..great move FDA. This behavior continues to show disdain of human health over big pharm profits. Nice!!

    June 25, 2010 at 11:11 | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Christopher Alan Fields

    BS! Enough with the mercury, live flu and cancer laden vaccines!

    June 25, 2010 at 11:17 | Report abuse | Reply
  16. Chuckles

    WHO advisors who started this H1N1 pandemic tied to drug companies:


    June 25, 2010 at 11:18 | Report abuse | Reply
  17. Drew

    would you people PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD stop calling this the 'swine' flu (see paragraph 4). A pig farmer down in Mexico gave this virus to the pigs (swine if you must) but the the Journalists and columnistst who report on this virus just don't like to mention that because they like the word 'swine'... Journalists and columnists are terrible now-a-days and are out to try and scare everybody about everything... they need to report the truth and stop trying to make a name for themselves.

    Journalists and columnists are like the tallest midget. Everybody reads their stories because they entertain some of us with their %90 bull#$%^ and they think they are the bees knees, but at the end of the day nobody cares.

    This toast is to you writers/journalists/columnists either research the facts or go find a profession in telemarketing.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. Boog

    Parents, do not trust ANYTHING that comes from a U. S. Government Agency!!!

    June 25, 2010 at 11:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lou


      Trust the same people who just stole your pension funds, your home values, your jobs and your kids education? NO thanks!

      September 18, 2010 at 01:00 | Report abuse |
  19. Chino

    Why are you guys still trying to push this on us. Last year it was a pandemic that never arrived. You must have stock in this vaccine company.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. David Horvath

    Yeah sure! LOL

    June 25, 2010 at 11:26 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. kat

    You people are out of your minds putting all the toxic junk in these little bodies. How much crap do you think these children can have in their bodies without ruining their nervous, endocrine, and all their other systems with overload of toxic chemicals? You are treating these children like guinea pigs between vaccines, genetically engineered food, not to mention genetically engineered ingredients in the vaccines. They are innocent! They depend on us to watch them, protect them and keep them safe from harm. We are not doing our jobs as a country or as parents when we continually poison our children, our earth, and ourselves with these chemicals and science experiments on our food, water and medicine. Please wake up!

    June 25, 2010 at 11:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lou

      Thank you Kat.

      Check this out for one reason not to inject this poison into ANYONE.


      September 18, 2010 at 01:04 | Report abuse |
  22. oxbobend

    Legal Drug pushers. Trial and error are not scientific methods. Error on the side of caution and just say no to drugs.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:28 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. mom

    anyone who would listen to these quacks and give their children this poison should have their ass kicked! my household didn't get this shot last year and we are all still alive. thanks!

    June 25, 2010 at 11:29 | Report abuse | Reply
    • AD

      To bad some other families were not so lucky.

      June 25, 2010 at 13:56 | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      A response to AD A proportionate number of people will die with any flu stain. Vaccinations have been proven to contain many harmful chemicals. There are other remedies and ways to help strengthen your immune system (Vitamin D) that do not require injecting dangerous chemicals into your body. The problem with the above article is that CNN does not discuss the major conflict of interest at WHO and the scandal involving H1N1 VACCINE, the same one that CNN is telling us to give TWO of to kids. Once again everyone, if you get your news just from CNN, wake up!!!

      June 25, 2010 at 15:11 | Report abuse |
  24. mjd

    The CDC makes too much of this whole thing! I'm 57 and I NEVER get flu shots and I get the flu once every 10 years or so. Granted I don't have any children but if I had they wouldn't get flu shots or any other vaccination. And no matter what doctors say there IS a corrolation between vaccines and autism.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:29 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. gil Velazquez

    Does this have anything to do with the drop in vaccinations last year which let to a decrease in the need for H1N1 shots in 2009? Which leads me to wonder if the companies that make the vaccine are convincing the CDC to up the required need for more shots, which means more $. Do they have a stockpile left over that has been sitting on the shelf?

    Food for thought....

    June 25, 2010 at 11:30 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. Jaime

    Clearly two shots are need. Why stop at 2? The CDC should scare everyone into believing one a month is needed.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lou

      We ARE on average injecting our precious flesh and blood with one "vaccination" a month. This insane barbarism will be as unbelievable to future generations as witch burning is to us.

      Please wake up folks.


      September 18, 2010 at 01:09 | Report abuse |
  27. Colin Ness

    You have got to be kidding. I didn't realize that the overblown hype of H1N1 last year could be topped. Not sure who gets paid off by big pharma more, our beloved media or the CDC.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:31 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. ESP

    "We're really promoting [flu] vaccine", no duh! There was no need for it the first time, nor is there now. That is except for the fact that they have all of this vaccine left over and somebody wants to turn that into $$$. It is such a shame that the WHO and CDC have become nothing more than add agencies for the pharmaceutical industry.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:34 | Report abuse | Reply
  29. Alcatraz80

    So the people who manufacturer and sell the vaccine recommend two doses for your children for a sickness that nobody has. Shame on you people if you buy into this garbage!

    June 25, 2010 at 11:35 | Report abuse | Reply
  30. Dustin

    So unnecessary. Of course vaccine producers will promote their product. They're salesmen! That's their job. I went against my wife's advice and got vaccinated. Two months later my wife had to call 911 as I lay unconscious on our bedroom floor. I hadn't had the flu for a decade and yet, there I was. My infant son had the same flu the week before. He was sick for a day and then over it. He was not vaccinated as we thought he was a bit too young. Funny how his unvaccinated immune system took care of the problem in less than 12 hours. My immune system couldn't kick it for 3 days and eventually led to the 911 call. Doctors just let me know that I had a severe case of the flu, most likely H1N1. I am 32 years old and work out regularly. There will be no flu vaccines for any of my family.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:35 | Report abuse | Reply
  31. Tom

    This is ridiculous. I guess they need to get rid of all that unused vaccine they tried to foist on everyone this season.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:45 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. J

    wait,wait,wait...this is being promoted so much but the "Dr`s" or anyone else for that matter don`t know the correct dosage to give ?
    Gee whiz...sounds like the "blow-it-out-of-proportion" machine is firing up already.Pathetic.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:45 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. Mac

    Toxemia is the universal basic cause of all pathology and so-called disease. Toxemia is the accumulation of body waste and is produced by anything and everything that enervates the body. Enervation is produced by anything that uses up excess energy, e.g. poisons, denatured foods, lack of sleep, rest, relaxation, fresh air and sunshine, overeating, sexual excesses, dissipations of all kinds, worry, fear, jealousy, mental self-abuse, unpleasant human and social relations, faulty economic conditions. This checks elimination and permits accumulation of body waste. Bacteria do not cause pathology but are rather the effects of disease. They are, we might say, Scavengers—a necessary by-product of diseased tissues of the impaired organism. It should be emphasized that only TRUE NATURAL IMMUNITY can be attained through a state of INTERNAL CLEANLINESS based on legitimate nutrition and hygienic living habits. Our orthodox medical practitioners all seek for a way to make UNCLEAN LIVING SAFE by creating a hypothetical ARTIFICIAL IMMUNITY through immunization and thus protect us from the natural consequences of our daily violations of the laws of life.

    -Rex U. Lloyd

    June 25, 2010 at 11:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Marco

      Thats not entirely true, there are bacterias that have waste product that is extremely toxic to our systems, and as such have the ability to make us very sick or die all by themselves. Although they may be opportunistic scavengers, they have waste and the accumulation of which is quite toxic. This can happen whether or hot the victim is constipated or not...

      June 26, 2010 at 22:36 | Report abuse |
  34. Mike A.

    Apparently kids don't get enough mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and other toxins – they have to inject it every year to make sure. And not once but twice is the new recommendation! Monstrous.

    June 25, 2010 at 11:59 | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Wow

    You've got to be kidding me. After all the research overseas showing the ineffectiveness of the H1N1 vaccine, and the fact that it was banned in multiple countries outside the USA due to the side effects (which include DEATH), they're seriously recommending that people....even infants?!....get TWO doses of the H1N1 vaccine?

    This has to be a joke. I will never receive the flu shot. It makes the flu strains more resistant to antibiotics and only causes them to mutant into more potent strains. Besides, has the flu vaccine really helped eliminate the flu? Countless numbers of people still die of the illness, despite the number of vaccinations given.

    This is just a way for the corporations to get more money from us. Don't bother with the vaccine. It's useless, and may even do more harm than good.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:02 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. Barb Van Sant

    Not a bad idea since I just went through H1N1 a SECOND TIME in 10 months and I'm a 50-something woman! Being an adult, that also means I have all kinds of immunities built up, but kids don't. And that's why it can kill them. Do yourself and your kids a favor - keep them vaccinated against this nasty flu strain. It's little to ask, to save the lives of your children. Working for a physician, I asked "Why are children dying from this?" Simple answer: No immunity to it.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:06 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ESP

      lol you are either brainwashed or on the gravy train

      June 25, 2010 at 14:45 | Report abuse |
    • J. Palmer

      The simple answer is not necessarily the correct one I am afraid, where I live In British Columbia Candada, every person who died from H1N1, was also reported to have underlying health issues, whether or not they were simply immune didnt seem to be a factor in our hard hit community, more to the point, the ones that were hardest hit were First Nations (obesity #1), the second were those that recieved the vaccination, small community everyone knows neighbors and its easy to see pattern, the family on the right didnt get vaccinated and were sick for a week, the ones on the left were vaccinated and were sick for up to a month...We payed close attention as our family had it a couple weeks before the initial Mexico reports, when I went into Health authority to report it, they regarded me with disdain, saying and I quote "there is no H1N1 here, and you dont know what your talking about", 1 week later they closed the Decker Lake school. Guess I did know what I was talking about, and then when they wanted to vaccinate us (After we already had it), I was shocked, because I know that vaccinations destroy the viral pattern your mucous membrane has saved in your system, and that you can do more harm than good by doing this. Its like this, if I get sick "naturally", the virus by passing through the membrane is coded into my system. If I inject a similair virus directly into the blood it overwrites the old one, making you sick again, no to mention the toxins in it that are not "FILTERED" by the system can go directly to the brain. I kinda laughed later when I saw the official propaganda "there is more mercury in tuna fish sandwich", the difference being, my system cleans most of that out. If you let me grind up a tuna sandwich and inject it directly into you, i will let you vaccinate me.

      June 27, 2010 at 15:05 | Report abuse |
    • Lou

      "If you let me grind up a tuna sandwich and inject it directly into you, i will let you vaccinate me."


      If you let me inject you with 25 mcg of mercury every day until you die I will come to your funeral.

      September 18, 2010 at 01:17 | Report abuse |
  37. BBM

    To MJD

    If you believe that vaccinations cause autism why is it that world wide vaccinations are decreasing but autism is increasing. Think about it.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:06 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ESP

      World wide vaccinations are decreasing?

      June 25, 2010 at 15:27 | Report abuse |
  38. JoAnn White

    I had the H1N1 flu. I wasn't within the age frame to get the vaccination. Then when they were "free" I didn't think about it. This flu is an awful thing to have. I could NOT breath for anything. I literally thought I was going to DIE. I got the flu medicine and stayed home for a week. It pretty much took a good three months to get over the lingering effects. I would take the vaccine today if it was required of me. I don't ever want it again.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:08 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. Barb Van Sant

    @ Allyson: Doctors NOT employed by Big Pharm ARE NOT paid by Big Pharm. Doctors get screwed, right along with the rest of us. How do I know this, MY BOSS, THE DOCTOR, was forced to close her practice on 4/30/10 because of insurance non-payment.

    Let's get past all of the nasty remarks and remember that vaccination is supposed to prevent illness. Especially in children. Stop being like the politicians and focusing on money, money, money. Focus on your kids.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:11 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Think4yourself

      If she was being like a politician, she would get her children vaccinated without asking any questions. Big Pharma does pay doctors. Maybe not your boss, but the ones who do the research on these vaccines as well as the ones who work for the CDC. Big Pharma has one of the biggest lobbies in America, you bet they pay off our politicians to make vaccines mandatory. If you dont believe this is true, you must live in another country? As far as I and everyone else in America knows our politicians are paid off for EVERYTHING. Because they are paid off – I have NO reason to beleive they have the best interests of me or my children in mind. The only thing they have in mind is $$$$$$$$. If you dont have the freedom to decide what gets put in your body, that would imply that you are owned. But by who????? Freedom starts with health freedom. If you dont have control over your body, then obviously the government does. Please tell me that when a politician decides what you do with your body (ie: vaccines, drugs, tobaco, alcohol) you live in a free country. I'm waiting..........

      June 25, 2010 at 14:17 | Report abuse |
    • Stan Lippmann

      Any doctor who gives a vaccine to anyone should be convicted of Mass Murder. Let the new War Crimes Trials begin!

      July 4, 2010 at 18:26 | Report abuse |
  40. Jess

    Yeah right!!! My two year old will not be getting the H1N1 vaccine this year... I went against my gut feeling and gave it to him this past fall and he was so sick! I'm not sparing my child's health so the government and pharmacutical companies can profit. What a joke!

    June 25, 2010 at 12:12 | Report abuse | Reply
  41. Mel

    Sounds like all of you are ones that didn't get sick or have children catch the H1N1 last year. Would someone who have children that were affected by H1N1 please comment? thanks!

    June 25, 2010 at 12:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. Wake up

    This is disgusting. I hope everyone knows better than to take this drug/chemical. Before you force your children to do it and force your body to take it....I would watch the videos on the Washington Redskins Cheerleader. H1N1 seems like poison, as Everyone is saying.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:14 | Report abuse | Reply
  43. fred

    You people are all morons. Flu vaccine is produced new every year. You can't use left over stock from the previous year. By not vaccinating your child you run the risk of them dying from the illness. I know I would feel awful if I could have easily prevented my child's death with a simple vaccine. The risk of the vaccine is miniscule versus the risk of dying from the illness. And if you think the drug companies make money from vaccines, you are an even bigger idiot. Companies don't make money on products you use once or once a year. Drug companies make money on meds you take several times a day for years.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dismayed

      Vaccine article bring out all of the idiots. My only regret is that H1N1 isn't *more* lethal. If it were, we could rely on natural selection to clean up the gene pool.

      June 25, 2010 at 14:21 | Report abuse |
    • Brandon

      dismayed, "*more* lethal"? what a joke, it infected 20 something million people and killed a few thousand. the seasonal flu is by far more lethal (death toll over 30k) and if you believe in natural selection, why get the shot? getting the shot is going against nature at its processes

      June 25, 2010 at 14:49 | Report abuse |
    • ESP

      Since we are morons and you are knowledgeable, please offer some stats to back your claim up. What is the likelihood of dying from the flu and what is the likelihood of illness from the vaccine. Why did several European countries ban this vaccine?

      June 25, 2010 at 14:51 | Report abuse |
  44. Jeanne

    Seriously? There is not one educated person commenting on this article? I'm sure some of the parents of young healthy people who died of H1N1 last year do not think it was a non-event. Do you really want to risk your kid to get something that could potentially kill them, when there is a SAFE vaccine to protect. How you ever had a kid with a real, diagnosed case of the flu? One that was confirmed at a doctor's office? One that hospitalizes the child? Not what people call the flu which is really just a bad cold. It's not pretty. It's scary as heck.

    Vaccines are not a government conspiracy. They are not meant to fleece money from you. They save lives and have saved lives for years. Many county health departments give the things away if you don't have health insurance. There are numerous strains of flu around including H1N1. Why shouldn't it be included in the shot?

    June 25, 2010 at 12:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Stan Lippmann

      No. You are the ignorant one. Your ignorance is killing our children. Shame on you. What do you know? I was awarded $30,000 as a bone fide vaccine injury victim myself. I got nothing, the lawyers go it all. I nearly died from a brain adenoma, you ignorant dope. I researched this whole area and published "The Law of Vaccination" in 1998. Read it and then apologize to me and the other who are being murdered because you are a brainwashed idiot.

      July 4, 2010 at 18:31 | Report abuse |
  45. Johnny Five

    No thank you.

    Jeanne, most of the deaths were from complications DUE to the flu shot. They just don't tell you about it. There are numerous reviews and independent groups that did the research who are unafraid of big business and their control of government.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:21 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Ben

    Haven't we already decided that it is ONLY the drug companies that want us to get these vaccines... I thought I read a story on this website about that a couple weeks ago. This is sickening. They are now telling us to give our kids 2?? Just because they weren't able to sell enough last year?? It borderlines on criminal.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  47. jps

    Lots of ignorance on display here. Actually LOTS of people got H1N1 last year, most of them kids. Most didn't get deathly ill. But some did. The childhood vaccination program has saved millions of lives through the years. Maybe you'd prefer to live in a place where smallpox, polio, diphtheria and other diseases are rampant. The REASON we don't see much of these any more is because of vaccines. People who refuse to vaccinate are putting me and my family at risk. With antibiotics becoming less effective, vaccination is especially important. Please, if you have a small child, don't let the weirdos scare you off. Let them refuse to vaccinate, and home school their kids, and sit around feeding their Big Brother paranoia.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Think4yourself

      jps said "People who refuse to vaccinate are putting me and my family at risk" -- Please explain!!! If your family has been fully vaccinated then youhave nothing to fear from unvaccinated people. In fact they should fear you as you are now a carrier for this disease depending on which vaccine you get. If you get the flu vaccine you can and will transmit this disease to other people. Your right – there is lots of ignorance on display here. You are the perfect example of ignorance. American has become a nation of the uneducated non-thinkers. Stop listening to the experts and think for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      June 25, 2010 at 14:22 | Report abuse |
  48. mom in NE

    the arguments and recommendations against the flu vaccine might be great... on paper. In the real world, they border on dangerous advice. my 2 year old otherwise very healthy son was hospitalized with an extremely complicated case of pneumonia stemming from H1N1 last November. He was in the Pediatric ICU for 14 days and had 3 chest tubes inserted during that time. I will *never* take the flu lightly again and although have always been haphazard about vacinating against it, will be the first in line for myself and my entire family from now on. It's a horrible thing to watch someone fight for their life in a hospital bed because i didn't listen to this so-called "propoganda" from the government and big PHARMA. Here's hoping none of you or your loved ones ever have to experience the effects of this illness in your own lives.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • FOOLS

      To all of the braindead, hysterical mothers out there, do yourselves a favor (and for the love of God, alteast for your children's health) READ THE GOD D$#@ INSERT!!!!!!!!!! IT SAYS IT IN THE INSERT!!!!!!! IT COMES WITH THE VACCINE!!!!!!!! THIS STUFF IS GARBAGE, IT'S POISON, ITS MEANT TO YES KILL YOU!!!! The banker-hijacked government that you put all of your faith into WANTS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY DEAD!!!! Do some #$#%ing research and quit following the propaganda that we are all DROWING in!!!! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! IT'S A FACT, THE H1N1 CONTAINS SQUALENE IN IT! RESEARCH IT! AND THE NASAL SPRAY CONTAINS THE H1N1 VIRUS ITSELF!!! This country is doomed because we're all a bunch of weak, spoiled, stupid cowards. You people that are still asleep make me sick. Swallow your #$@## pride, accept that fact that you've been living in a fake matrix your whole life, and GROW UP!!! TYRANNY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL IT FINDS YOUR DOORSTEP! AAAAHHH!!!

      June 25, 2010 at 20:52 | Report abuse |
    • mom in NE

      Hey FOOLS, maybe your tin foil hat will protect you and your family.

      July 9, 2010 at 09:57 | Report abuse |
  49. Gary

    Yeah, we'll be all over that. NOT

    June 25, 2010 at 12:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  50. ndlily

    "That's because their bodies do not have any real built-in immunity against flu viruses yet. "

    Let me get this straight, in a such a congested world where most of our kids end up in daycare and many of them have been breastfed . . . they've never been exposed to the flu or any antibodies for the flu! All it takes is exposure to create a built in immunity.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:24 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dismayed

      Go back to 'the good old gays' and don't vaccinate. Yes, the good old days – when 50% of children did not live to see adulthood.

      June 25, 2010 at 14:26 | Report abuse |
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