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February 25th, 2010
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When will we see a herpes cure?As a feature of CNNhealth.com, our team of expert doctors will answer readers' questions. Here's a question for Dr. Gupta. From Lloyd Bartley, Bowling Green, Kentucky “How close are scientists to developing a cure for herpes, figuratively speaking will we be seeing a break through in 10, 20, or even 30 years?” Answer: Well, Lloyd, there is good news and bad news on the herpes front. The good news: Researchers have made serious strides and now better understand the mechanism behind herpes outbreaks. The bad news: There is very little funding for that research. After receiving your question we reached out to a leading herpes expert, Bryan Cullen, the director at the Center for Virology at Duke University. Cullen is hopeful that a cure for herpes could come within 10 years, once funding hurdles are crossed. Nearly one in five people over age 12 in the U.S. is affected by herpes. It is caused by a virus - either the herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) or the herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2). Both strains can cause genital herpes, but HSV-1 usually infects the mouth and produces cold sores. Despite funding challenges, Cullen and his team are inching closer to a cure. They conducted a study recently that identified the pathway herpes takes as it infects. They now know how herpes embeds itself into the cells and how it eludes treatment. Now that they have honed in on the physiology of the disease - and its triggers - researchers believe they are steps closer to creating drugs that could cure herpes. While we wait for a cure, there are drugs out there that can at least suppress herpes. Three antiviral drugs: acyclovir, valacyclovir, and famciclovir are commonly recommended to quell outbreaks. A physician might recommend taking these drugs when an outbreak occurs to quiet symptoms; or taking them continuously to reduce the likelihood of an outbreak. And of course the best way to avoid spreading herpes is to abstain from sex, but if you are sexually active, engage in safe-sex practices such as using condoms. Editor's Note: Medical news is a popular but sensitive subject rooted in science. We receive many comments on this blog each day; not all are posted. Our hope is that much will be learned from the sharing of useful information and personal experiences based on the medical and health topics of the blog. We encourage you to focus your comments on those medical and health topics and we appreciate your input. Thank you for your participation. soundoff (8,772 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 Next »Leave a Reply to Melody |
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Pharmaceutical companies will never go out of business from curing herpes. They will make billions off the drug to cure herpes and then later make billions more off the vaccine when it's part of childhood immunizations. Curing herpes will be like giving a dose of antibiotics for bacterical STI's. Plus antiviral medications will continue to be used for all the other forms or herpes.
Hey Propaganda B, the road to hell is paved with good intentions though I still question if your intentions are good here? I still think you are here to convince people to donate for the same lost cause they have been donating to for their whole life and their parents donated to their whole life.
As for me being a doctor, what makes you think a doctor would know how to cure herpes or any disease medicine cannot cure? What kind of stupid question is that?
Because you came out and joined the rest in attacking me and dodged the meat of my comment, I now must post it again so people know that you are here for money not to end their suffering.
Propaganda B says: "Pharmaceutical companies will never go out of business from curing herpes. They will make billions off the drug to cure herpes and then later make billions more off the vaccine when it's part of childhood immunizations. Curing herpes will be like giving a dose of antibiotics for bacterical STI's. Plus antiviral medications will continue to be used for all the other forms or herpes."
David Flowers laughs and says: For every billion they make from a cure they will loose 10 billion in revenue because a cure is a one time shot unless the cure cost a herpes person $100,000 each which will never happen because insurance will never pay it because insurance will come right out and say herpes is not life threatening or serious enough to be covered by insurance.
Thank your for attempting to dispute my claim Propaganda B. There is no way a cure for herpes can ever generate enough money to compete with the constant flow of donations, grants, private investors and then the millions of life long prescriptions sold. You are going to have to work a little harder to dispute that fact, heck even Jay/blackngold admits that a cure for herpes would be a financial disaster for the herpes industry. If you want to give it another shot and tell us EXACTLY how a cure for herpes would be more profitable than ineffective treatments and endless research I will be happy to give it a look and critic it.
Hey Propaganda B,
I see a hidden agenda in all your comments and still feel a need to discuss them. First of all, as far as you, I, your doctors, your lab workers know herpes isn't a virus at all so quite trying to convince people their nail fungus isn't related to their obs. More people get relief from their OB's from over the counter fungicides than they do ANY antiviral. And the only drug know to cure herpes is prescription strength Lamisil tablets and low and behold it cures the nail fungus as well as herpes and it it cures both pretty much every single time. Google Lamisil Cures Herpes Every Time.
So Propaganda B, what says you? How is it fungicides offer more cures and relief for herpes if herpes is a virus? Why is it no one ever sees a herpes virus other than science fiction photos on the internet. Your doctor doesn't see them, your researchers do not see them, your lab techs who say some one test positive for them do not see them so how is you are willing to pump up the fear propaganda here when there simply IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HERPES IS A VIRUS OR EVEN MORE HARMFUL THAN A RASH?
Another issue with the FEAR PROPAGANDA is this, here in the mid west where I live and every where else that doesn't PLAY UP THE HERPES FEAR PROPAGANDA people really don't get too worked up at all about herpes. Inland US doctors who will not diagnose someone with herpes unless they have sores and a positive blood test. They won't diagnose someone with herpes based on a positive blood test. Most inland doctors won't diagnose their patients with herpes unless they test positive in a swab or culture test even if they test positive on a blood test.
Propaganda B, there is no evidence that herpes is virus, there is no evidence that herpes causes blindness and THERE CERTAINLY IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HERPES CAUSES SORES. If science and medicine was interested, they could find ENDLESS evidence that individual outbreaks are LOADED WITH FUNGUS!
So Propaganda B, I'm going to do everything in my power to prevent you from turning people into a bunch of scared emotional rabbits here.
CLEARLY YOUR AGENDA IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING YOUR KOOL-AID for the sole purpose of scaring them off from the truth.
I'm sorry folks. You are going to have to fight for the truth. As long as people like Propaganda B, Duke and U of F are trying to scare you into an irrational state you will never make the connection between the herpes fungus and nail fungus. You will never learn that the sole called "HERPES" virus though almost 50% of Americans are thought to have "HERPES" has never been seen by anyone you or I know. No one has seen it because it doesn't exist. It is a fungus which is why Lamisil prescription tablets will cure it ever time.
"HERPES" is nothing to be afraid of. The only thing you need to fear is fear itself and of course you need to fear Propaganda B because that's what B is about.
truecures.com
healingunderground.com
hubpages.com with a search for True Cures
Propaganda B says: "Pharmaceutical companies will never go out of business from curing herpes."
David says: I'm sorry I missed this argumentative statement which needs to be addressed for the readers here.
No one here is saying pharmaceutical companies will go out of business from curing herpes. We are saying the mega profitable herpes industry will go out of business from curing herpes. Propaganda B, keep on point here.
Medicine could openly cure the readers here of herpes without the pharmaceutical companies going out of business and that is the hideous truth about medicine. The medical industry is so greedy and corrupt and that includes Duke, U of F and the media that they won't even consider curing one little tiny pathogen like herpes when they have so many other zillion gillion dollar disease industries to fall back on.
Beside Propaganda B, for a limited time medicine is already curing herpes and it is called Lamisil tablets and it doesn't cost much now but in time it will and insurance will no longer cover it or they will remove it from the market all together.
truecures.com
healingunderground.com
or google "Lamisil cure herpes every time" for my hubpage articles
Hi B
"then later make billions more off the vaccine when it's part of childhood immunizations"
Your comment Hmmm yes I didnt think of it that way you are right
David Flowers haha tell you what I will call you my friend and prove you wrong you will see I am a man from the UK I am seriously not who you think I am
"There is no cure for hepatitis, none at all. If there were it would cure all hepatitis" Oh but that is where you are wrong there are cures for hepatitis as there are many different forms (spelling it right now) we may spell it hepatitus in the UK and in America its different
You say "Naturally you don't have nail fungus, if you did you would have herpes too" David I do not have nail fungus I have had herpes for coming on 10 years now and never had that problem so what you are saying is still a myth to me
Herpes in the eye yes I do see your arguement my little brother went to the doctors as his eye swelled up and nearly went blind they said he had herpes in the eye he was five then and now he is 22years old but it has never come back so I can sorta agree with you there
You say "Oh, yes they are receiving donations in the form of GRANTS and millions of other private investors and they are not looking for a cure they are looking for the next greatest treatment and then patent it" Yes you are right I agree
Look Flowers I am agreeing with you!!!! Whats wrong with me haha
Ok everyone I have emailed this to Dr Bloom now its gonna take a while for him to respond as I am sure lots of us email him with questions
Dear Dr Bloom and Team
Sorry to email you as I know you get many questions sent through to you
I just wanted to query something please, I suffer from herpes simplex and complex and I donate to your wonderful work
Is it true that good companies like yourself are really just looking for treatment rather than cures? the main reason being a cure would stop all the revenue that comes from pharmacies for herpes?
Also one more thing please someone made this statement below, is that true also? sorry to take your time up I will keep donating and we all appreciate your work towards herpes
Kind Regards
Jay
I do not agree a cure will come fast. Wanting something to work does not mean it will. This researcher has numerous years to go before anyone can say whether or not this drug is going to be the new 'HSV cure'. Why?...If he has not yet completed animal testing it means he has not yet established toxicity and cannot apply for an IND (Investigational New Drug) application, which must be approved by research committees. If he makes it past that point then he enters the ill-fated human clinical trials which last at least 8 years and go upwards of 13-14 years. From there the drug is then sent for an NDA (New Drug Application) to be approved by the FDA which can take about 3 years (unless it is actually proven to be needed asap-very very rarely do drugs get approved super fast). The the patent is usually applied which can again take a little while to happen. From the time of initial compound discovery to full out in the prescription bottle it can be over 20 years of research and often 150+ million in total research money. So really this man's work is barely even scratching the surface of 'most likely cure'.
I am not bashing his work because I plan on being a future researcher as well (not of HSV) but people need to know what happens in the research procedure and that their dollars, though extremely appreciated, will not yield a faster cure. Researchers know their work will not happen fast, which is why they do not panic or expect copious amounts of funds early in the study. They also become associated with legitimate and official groups to gain funding, like local hospital donation lotteries. A couple thousand dollars in research is unfortunately pennies because those rats actually get expensive lol.
Ok everyone lets see what he writes back 🙂
Jay,
The reason why there will never be a marketed cure for herpes is because of the simple nature of medical cures. This is why Lamisil will soon be taken off the market or become to costly for people to afford. Lamisil is an indiscriminate killer and will kill endless pathogens. Even if the fungus that causes yellow nail fungus isn't causing the OBs thought to be herpes it WILL KILL THE PATHOGEN THAT CAUSES THE OBs EVERY SINGLE TIME. I'm not yelling at you, just making a very strong valid point that cannot be disputed. Medicine cannot cure herpes without curing MANY different diseases. There is absolutely no way for a cure for herpes to be more profitable than the current standards and procedures behind the herpes industry. Nothing can replace the cushy industry as it is, a cure will kill the proverbial golden goose and nothing Propaganda B or anyone says will hold water.
If you did send the letter I'm proud of you but for the record I don't think you did. Had you sent the letter you would have CC'd a copy to me. Because you didn't CC a copy to me I can only assume that you are going to fabricate a response from Bloom or Cullen and post it here like you have done in the past. Hey, I'm just calling it the way I see it.
You will have to prove that you are from the UK before I believe you are not bng/PE. Sing up as a member on the healing underground and make a comment so I can see your IP address and I will know if you are from the UK.
Hi David
I seriously am having second thoughts in regards to what I was saying now I do agree actually agree it makes total sense because you have to think of it like this without a patent no-one is interested its all about the money
Ok look I will give the lamisil a try I will go to the doctors and ask them for it, I will give it a try David I am willing to listen but if it does not work I will tell people here that it does not.....I am just telling the truth
David I will hold my hand on my heart and tell you I have definately sent that letter that I promise – I want that answer as I am sure everyone does aswell.....Hey I would not expect you to think I sent that letter as I have also throughout here disbelieved everything you have said so no hard feelings
The only reason I have not cc you into the email is because lets be honest I havent exactly been very kind to you and you could send a whole load of trash to my email address you cant disagree with that
I will not even fabricate a response me and everyone else needs to know the truth
I will sign up to the site but again I do not want lots of emails coming through (trash ones) let me give you a call and have a sensible conversation with you surely thay can prove who I am? Also how could you see if i was in the UK from my IP Address?
Also I gotta say David we have been bashing you on here well me the worst so fair play to you holding on and coming back
Whatever the truth is I will find it – EVERYONE I PROMISE YOU I WILL FIND THE TRUTH
Jay,
Are we to assume you have nail fungus and can get Lamisil? If you do not have nail fungus, you will not get Lamisil legally and how do we all know that you are the same jerk bad mouthing me buddy budding up to me so you can pretend to use Lamisil for the sole purpose of coming right back and saying, "YEAH, I tried the Lamisil and it didn't work, the cheese fell of of Flowers's cracker and all of you are wasting your time trying the Lamisil!" This will happen, I'm just waiting to see who the first cheap shot will be.
Because you are willing to hide behind a handle you can say anything you want without lifting a finger or trying anything.
I don't send out any garbage emails. The only emails people get from the Healing Underground are email notifications of replies when they subscribe to a topic or notification of private messages from other members.
If you email me directly and you ask me not to include you in my mailing list I will delete your contact information.
True Cures is the only thing you will know that is void of marketing scams and gimmicks. True Cures is result based and sells nothing.
No one new from the UK on the healingunderground Jay. You are taking too long. Makes me think you are trying to find someone from the UK to join the healing underground.
Flowers. You have a lot of nerve my friend to keep accusing everyone here who disagrees with you of being the same person. And some type of mythical white whale to boot. You must see all of us in your dreams. And let me tell you exactly why that is so. It is your (sub)conscious my friend. You lash out at all of us because your subconcious knows the real truth – you are a scam. And it feels guilty.
You just accused B of many things. Made up a lot of names for her, and posed a challenge to her as well. Well I am going to take that challenge.
"A. Prove I have taken money from someone and refused to give it back.
B. Prove that herpes isn't fungal in nature.
C. Prove herpes testing detects actual herpes.
D. Prove Lamisil doesn't cure herpes ever time.
E. Prove the immune system cannot cure a tiny puny pathogen like herpes.
F. Prove Duke and U of H is really looking for a cure through herpescureresearch.org!"
First off Flowers, it is not up to us to prove anything. We aren't the one making the bold claims. Negatives can be hard to prove, so the positive must be proved. So you need to get off of your can and start proving them. But here goes.
In regards to point A. True Cures, I have read enough stuff on the internet from numerous sources (including your own sites) to get a good idea of what is going on. You leave a paper trail a mile long. It seems people have paid for you to fly all around the world and stay in hotels and get free meals when you are visiting them. Have you ever reimbursed any of these people for any of these expenses? Because there does seem to be a long line of people claiming you haven't cured them. If you can provide evidence of refunding these expenses to anyone, please provide it here.
Point B. All the research has shown that herpes is viral in nature. Most people who get outbreaks do so somewhat rarely. Once you get a fungal skin infection, it rarely goes away until you have completely killed it off. It doesn't show up for a day, dissappear for 6 weeks, then come back, dissappear for 12 months, then come back etc. And your fungal infection theory does nothing to explain the internal symptoms that people are feeling, i.e. the nerve pain etc.
Point C. Flowers. Why are you so hung up on the notion that the herpes virus doesn't exist? It has been imaged many times by scientists in a lab. You just refuse to believe your own eyes. Scientists are well aware of the difference between a fungus cell and a virus cell, even if you aren't.
Point D. True Cures, I have a better idea. Why don't you prove that Lamisil cures herpes every time? You are the one making the claim, yet you have provided no facts to back up your case. the sum total of your evidence is a handful of websites saying that lamisil works. Show me those studies that support this notion. Or at least some case histories of people who used it and then tested negative.
Point E. True Cures. You call the herpes virus some puny lowly thing. Others might disagree with you. Instead of us having to prove that the immune system can't kill it, well why don't you prove that it can? Flowers. You haven't provided one before or after test result. You haven't provided one case history of someone you treated for herpes who claims they are cured. You can't even explain to us what exactly is going when you treat and then supposedly cure someone. And then you wonder why people don't believe you. As I said True Cures, it is impossible to prove a negative. It is up to you to prove your case. Not just talk endlessly and dance around all of the key issues.
Point F. Again Flowers. It is impossible to prove. You made the statement. Prove they aren't serious. Why don't you prove that these scientists involved are lying sob's who don't give a you know what about you and me and are just in it for the money. If a drug that cures herpes can be discovered it will be a GOLDMINE to whoever patents it and markets it. You claim 90% of the population has herpes. Quite a potential customer pool for the drug maker.
So Flowers. To answer the overall jist of yuor question to B. Yes. You are a scam. You build up peoples hopes about your cure, but no one ever tests negative after seeing you, there is not one single person on the internet out of the many hundreds you treated who are claiming to be cured, and it appears you treat everyone, your former customers, innocent people on support sites etc. like you know what. So yes. I feel very confident in calling you a flat out scam-a-roni of the highest degree. You should be ashamed of yourself. And re-consider your promise to us to actually go and and get a job.
And one other thing Flowers, in regards to some more hot air you just floated on this board.
"You see Propaganda B, people with herpes NEVER EVER openly share their story with anyone, not while they still have herpes and not after they are cured. If you had any experience with herpes you would know this."
What a load of malarky True Cures. There are TONS of herpes support forums out there on the internet. I have read countless accounts of peoples herpes story that they are freely sharing. So what you say is a lie. And in terms of people relating their story after they are cured..
Well Flowers. As of now, HERPES HAS PROVEN TO BE UNCURABLE. SO WHY WOULD THERE BE STORIES ON THE INTERNET OF PEOPLE CURING IT? So in a sense you are right. The only people claiming a cure, OR BEING ABLE TO CURE IT, are complete liars.
JOHN, BLACKNGOLD, JAY, JOHN, BLACKNGOLD, JAY,
Ohh how you prey on the weak minded. Here you are claiming to have herpes and talking about it but more than likely you are positiveenergies from the CureZone pretending to talk about herpes or be interested in herpes so you can constantly disrupt the truth and fact I am sharing here.
Naturally people blog about herpes, no one is that stupid to think it isn't happening because here we are blogging right now at this very moment but what people sometime fail to realize is that you are just a joker behind a computer typing up stories and lies and trying to pass them off as truths while you hide behind a anonymous handle.
I don't hide behind a handles. Everyone here knows exactly who I am and therefore I can be held accountable for my actions, you on the other hand can say anything you want without being held accountable. You can lie and hurt people with nothing to loose.
No one and I mean NO ONE tells their friends they have herpes on Facebook. And NO ONE uses their real name when they blog about herpes and NO ONE dismisses a cure they haven't found reasonable justification to dismiss unless they are against cures in the first place.
BLACKNGOLD/POSITIVEENERGIES/JOHN/JAY I prove my cures work every time someone sees me. Once they are cured and they wish to blog about it, they too will be banned by the like of you. NO ONE is allowed to post on the CureZone about being cured by True Cures, NO ONE is allowed to post on Shut Up and Post, Herpes forum about being cured by True Cures. And when a person is cured, THEY FORGET THEIR SECRET IDENTITY and they enjoy their real identity and THEY STOP BLOGGING.
When you see someone blogging about how they were cured of herpes by using a product they are advertising for the products and have likely never even had herpes. The product offers no guarantee and it doesn't cure anyone.
The only cures I am aware of is True Cures and Prescription Lamisil Tablets. As I become aware of others I will make it know. I have nothing to gain by you people using Lamisil to end your suffering and as long as I teach people to cure themselves without billing I have nothing to gain but support for what is true which BLACKNGOLD/POSITIVEENERGIES/JOHN/JAY is what you are against and why you try to tell me and the readers here that it is up to me to prove I am innocent of your slanderous false accusations thinking people will agree with you. Some will, but I'm not looking teach people who are idiots, I'm interested in teaching people who are more interested in truth than fraudulent hearsay from the likes of you.
There is no such thing as an incurable disease only people to foolish to be cured.
David Flowers
1134 South Park Street
Payette Idaho 83661
208-741-0759
6'3" about 200lbs born 10/10/1969
I have been checked out by the FDA, FBI and who knows how many other groups. I don't hide behind a handle and I am held accountable for my actions. When someone wants their money back they get it and when someone doesn't donate there are no threatening letter of collection being sent out.
I agree with Jay
Everybody wants our money and won't find a cure for us.
That's why we need to take it a step further and get the Government involved. Copy and paste this link around, we need at least a million signatures to get our voices heard. I know we can do it.
Please spread the link http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/herpescure/
All we need is a million signatures, its completely free, and only takes less than a minute to sign a name.
LOL.
Our government would wipe out an entire race to protect its bottom line. Do you really think the government cares about your rash? The pharmaceutical companies are our government. He who has the most money is always in charge.
I hate to be so cynical but this blog is always in need of a wake up call.
If Dr. Bloom or Dr. Cullen (that's right, DOCTORS) ever have the opportunity to make a 30-45 second commercial on how they are working on a cure and how people can support the cure (signing the petition or donating), this would really help. People are unaware of this research. A million votes will never happen if people do not know. I'm getting the word out and I had five people sign it AT THEIR OWN WILL. I also added it to my facebook and I'm asking people who support the cure to sign it. A lady I work with developed stomatits so bad that she was unable to eat for almost three weeks. All due to the damn herpes virus. If you have nothing positive to say, please do not respond.
B, let us view your facebook wall that shows you posted a link to the petition and that you told all your friends you have herpes.
Also I work with a lady who can change colors like a chameleon. Ask me to prove it and I will tell you that I can't you will have to just take my word for it.
If you people keep taking people's word for stuff you are not going to get cured. Do not fall victim to propaganda, it will not benefit you at all and it will not produce cures for anything, it will do the opposite.
This is the most positive statement you will find on this blog.
You can cure herpes through True Cures right now, all of you can. truecures.com (you will have to learn to cure yourself, I am not going to do it for you)
If you have nail fungus you can cure herpes with prescription Lamisil. Google "Lamisil Cures Herpes Every Time".
If you want to understand more on the truth about herpes you can go to healingunderground.com
I responded!
Cheers
Do you know that HSV-1 can travel up your facial nerves and cause cold sore on and around your eyes instead of your mouth? Happened to me a few years back, I had to go on Valtrex to keep it from scarring my eye. My best friend's first comment? "Now I know what they mean when they say 'cockeyed'".
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In regards to DOCTOR Bloom and Cullen, here is my last email to them that will prove they are not interested in cures unless they can be patented. There is nothing you can do to force these guys to cure herpes because they are making wonderful living off of your donations as it is and there is no way to force the government into caring about you, because they don't. They won't care about a billion of you signing petitions.
Your only cure for herpes is going to be through Lamisil Tablets from a prescription or through your very own immune system. Thousands of people have been cured of herpes through their own immune system who think it was a natural products that caused the cure. Because the immune system is behind ever cure for herpes other than Lamisil it only looks like some people have been cured with alternative gimmick products.
True Cures is the act of using your immune system to cure herpes or any disease and other than Lamisil it is your only shot and True Cures is the greatest threat to Bloom and Cullen they will ever know. The fact that they view cures that cannot be patented as a threat should be enough to let you know their true intentions.
If any of you want the email address for Bloom and Cullen please let me know. You can ask them yourself and you will see first hand how they will ignore you too.
Subject: Dr. David Bloom, Dr. Bryab Cullen, Boise's KTVB News, CNN News, HSV Petition
Dear Mr Bloom and Mr Cullen,
I have already contacted Bryan about existing and consistent cures for all types of HSV that cannot be patented and sold. I am now taking a moment to contact you both so that I can let people know that I am indeed in contact with you guys. I will continue to stay in contact with you because according to the CNN blog at (website removed to prevent moderating) you guys are the leading herpes researchers of the times and would like you to be aware of cures that already exist for herpes but cannot be patented and sold.
According to the blog, University of Florida and Duke are both on the verge of major breakthroughs in curing herpes and the only thing said to be in your way is lack of funding hence the demands on the blog for more donations for your work. Now, I for one am willing to concede that both Duke and University of Florida have always been on some verge of a breakthrough or another for the past 100 years without every really breaking through so I feel it is important that the consumers and the Universities are made aware of existing cures that cannot be patented for herpes and other diseases. I know medicine and the media ignore cures that cannot be patented and I like to assume as such the cures are consequently hidden from you two and that you guys are indeed more interested in cures than profits so here I am making you aware of cures for herpes that cannot be patented.
It is my intentions to share the cure with you guys, but due to the obvious corruption of medicine and media I cannot sit back and assume this email will be taken seriously so I have sent a copy of it to several media sources so they can also be made aware of cures that cannot be patented and therefore ignored and if they too choose to ignore the cures they can be held accountable as well. I will use this email for proving that the media, Duke University and University of Florida are indeed aware of cures, whether you choose to investigate them or not. You see the only way I am discredited is by the belief that if I was telling the truth about cures, you guys would be selling them and the media would be reporting them. This is why I am putting the ball in your courts. You can now prove that you guys or the media is truly interested in cures that cannot be patented and sold.
My research (which has lead to consistent cures for diseases such as herpes, showing it is stronger than your research) has shown that a person with nail fungus (which you should already be aware is extremely common in people diagnosed with herpes) can also cure herpes with the prescription medicine Lamisil tablets used to cure nail fungus. I'm still waiting to hear of a case where Lamisil doesn't cure herpes or causes ill side effects. So far it is a perfect cure for herpes, but True Cures cures almost everything in the process of curing herpes which is why I do not use Lamisil to cure my clients of herpes, I use the immune system with complete consistency and it takes less than two weeks. In a nutshell I use the same immune response that powers the immune response behind every immune response you guys see in your blind studies. If need be for demonstration purposes, I can take a sugar pill and make it completely consistent at curing herpes because as you know the sugar pill has no healing qualities, it is the individual's own system generating the relief during your blind studies. True Cures doesn't stimulate relief, it stimulates an immune response that eliminates the pathogens known to cause the outbreaks which makes it a cure instead of relief.
I have BCC'd several people from the blog above and numerous other potential clients who are waiting to be cured so they are aware that I am no longer assuming Duke and University of Florida isn't interested in cures that can't be patented. I didn't do it to imply anything about you guys or your work but to imply that I am willing to do my part to ensure that Duke and U of F is aware of True Cures for herpes and to make you aware personally. I have been very hard on Duke and the University of Florida on the blog and I would be grateful to be proven wrong about my assumptions. I have contacted many universities and research centers which is why I reached the negative conclusion that universities are not interested in cures that cannot be patented. I will also post a copy of this email on the blog.
I hope to learn we are all on the same page and more interested in cures than money so I can retract my statements and give you the cure you have been searching for. I look forward to a response to my email or a response on any of the blogs this email is posted on.
Sincerely,
David Flowers, Owner
True Cures: Restore your immune response.
truecures.com
healingunderground.com
1134 South Park Street
Payette, ID 83661
208-741-0759
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The contact information for Bloom and Cullen are on the Healing Underground at healingunderground.com. You can get their email there and let us know what they tell you but beware, if you do not show forward me a copy of their reply to you I am going to call you a liar.
My email is dflowers (at) truecures.com I would appreciate it if you would blind CC me the letter to them and forward any response you get from them to me.
Because I am the only one here trying to prove to you that Bloom and Cullen are only interested in the donations you send and have no intentions of curing herpes with a drug, it leaves me to be the person who makes the point. No fake letters and I am nothing short of completely honorable. I do what I say. My claims cannot and are not disputed. John attacks me with accusations she cannot back up. I can back up my claims, if you do not believe me, try to scientifically dispute them.
Flowers. You continue to just dance around and avoid all of the key issues. My repeated challenge to you to bring to this blog some people you have treated and supposedly cured remains unfufilled. Not that I am shocked about that. When you haven't cured anyone, then how could you bring them here? You have a paper trail and rap sheet a mile long on the internet. Also not suprising. Here is another beauty of yours I dug up on the internet. From another of your many admirers on the internet (gag, spit, cough, laughing my tail off..).
From his Website..
TrueCures says:
3 weeks ago
"I think I have come up with a means of teaching True Cures and make a meager living while doing so.
I can give out 25 passes to my private True Cures videos here on YouTube and post everything you need to know about True Cures.
Right now I will allow a one month subscription for a $200 donation to True Cures. I am aware that two people will be learning from this donation and the amount will go up very soon. When you get access to my private videos you are not allowed to share them to others with the exception of the one person who's arm you will be using. Two for the price of one.
While you have a subscription you can call me with questions if you are willing to make a small donation for the calls.
This subscription amount and terms are only good for 1 month because I may raise the price.
In order to view the private training videos you will have to allow me to list your first and last name
on my website with the city you are in. You will be forever listed as “training” unlil you you prove to me you are trained in which case you will be listed as “trained” with your contact information on the website. This is for several reasons, it helps me to maintain my position in teaching so I can make a living instead of treating one by one and it maintains quality control.
I do not have all the videos loaded on YouTube but will get right on it and the 25 subscriptions are on a first come first serve basis. For those of you who donate today you will have a month after the last video is uploaded so subscribe today and get an extra week or so on some videos.
If you want clients right away I will start directing people to you, even while you are listed as “training”. These people do not have enough money to fly and see me or fly me to see them but you might be able to collect a little or at least get some testimonies from them if they are in your town.
The only thing in the way of making money helping people cure themselves is the lack of publicity and web presence. The more people trained and doing True Cures the more money people will donate or contribute.
Pay-pal your donation to dflowers@truecures.com.
Any questions about learning can be addressed on my Learning True Cures hub page."
People! Can you believe this? True Cures is now willing to "herd" very sick people over to his new "trainees" – Whose only qualification is that they have watched a few True Cures videos on the internet.......... And they will be treating people with herpes, cancer and Aids??
All so True Cures can make a buck??
Are there any other rational people out there who see a problem with this????
He never learns.... And gets more desparate as each day passes.....
People – luckily this didn't last for long. No one signed up, so True Cures was forced to abandon this plan. But it doesn't get much better. His new fee structure now calls for people to pay him $5,000 to be trained. Yikes. Quite a bit of coin to have to hang out with True Cures for two weeks and twiddle your thumbs..
TrueCures says:
9 days ago
OK, I'm scratching the video training and YouTube. I will still be training but only people with money and in person.
$5000.00 for two weeks training.
Large Marge your sweet lovin' will last me a lifetime.
BlackNgold/John, I don't think it is a secret. I think I mentioned two or three weeks ago that there is no way to make a living off of cures that cannot be patented. I have tried for 16 years only to fail and fail again.
You see, as long as you attack me for claiming to cure people for money I cannot charge money. It has nothing to do with whether or not my claims are solid or valid.
Now my plan is to make my clients learn True Cures to cure themselves. I will do it free of charge not because I like doing it all for free but because as long as I am the only one curing disease you and medicine cannot cure, I will not have any credibility. Also it serves other purposes, it FORCES people to stand up and take charge and responsibility for their health. A person who cures themselves will then have to live with knowledge they can cure any of their friends and family who are in serious need of a cure that medicine cannot provide.
So go on and attack my latest scheme to make a living by putting my life's work to work. Or would you just have me do like Duke or University of Florida and hold my hand out here for donations and then tell everyone tisk tisk every end of year when no cure or relief is produced.
So John/Blackngold forgive me if I ignore your incessant and pointless rants. If you care to dispute any of my claims I will be happy to engage, otherwise I have better plans for destroying your CureZone.
David Flowers
It seems to me you are having a very bad day from all of your posts here
"No one new from the UK on the healingunderground Jay. You are taking too long. Makes me think you are trying to find someone from the UK to join the healing underground"
David you could use my email wherever you like and plaster it anywhere so i wont give you my email address I will phone you and prove who I am, what state in America are you so I can see the time difference please?? Why wont u let me phone you?? That will prove it immediately
"Are we to assume you have nail fungus and can get Lamisil? If you do not have nail fungus, you will not get Lamisil legally and how do we all know that you are the same jerk bad mouthing me buddy budding up to me so you can pretend to use Lamisil for the sole purpose of coming right back and saying, "YEAH, I tried the Lamisil and it didn't work, the cheese fell of of Flowers's cracker and all of you are wasting your time trying the Lamisil!" This will happen, I'm just waiting to see who the first cheap shot will be"
No i do not have nail fungus but I have a friend of a friend who is a doctor and he would give them to me, also I do not believe that all your people who have come to you say they have nail fungus either, I cannot be the only one without nail fungus. Yeah I can understand your point it was me bad mouthing you alrite if I tried lamisil and it worked why the hell wouldnt I let these people know on this blog????
I do believe they are not trying to find cures but it dont mean I think you can cure people my friend so I will try it and find out for myself but like I
My days are always the same. Standing up for the truth against the system that reviles in the suffering of others. I have several members from the UK but none lately letting me know you are not following through with your claims.
Here I am following through with my claims. With that in mind what makes you think I would plaster your email all over the internet? I do not post people's email unless their email is already made public for people to contact them pretty much the same way everyone else does.
If you want to call me, that's fine. I live in Idaho but I don't really care to speak to you if you think there is evidence that I would post your email all over the internet. You guys can attack me all you want but you do so without any evidence of wrong doing on my part. When people are involved in wrong doings evidence abounds. This is why censorship is the only real way to fight my claims because I am not a scam and my claims cannot be disputed.
I do not claim that everyone has nail fungus who sees me, I claim that it could be as much as 8 out of 10 people who see me. Its enough for me to be surprised when someone with herpes does not have nail fungus. I found out today that a person with nail fungus has tested negative for herpes that means that a person can have nail fungus and not test positive in a blood antibody test. That was FYI only and how I make my discoveries.
say if it dont work then I will tell people
Listen Flowers I have been thinking about something and I want your honest opinion
In the UK there is a TV programme called Darren Brown Investigates he travels around the world mainly America and speaks to people who make out they can do wonderful things for example......people who claim they can talk to the dead, people who claim they can cure blindess, he spends weeks with them and films their actions for weeks and then prooves they are scam artists
Now check this out and I mean this, you claim you can cure herpes and are positive of that, that makes you a medical breakthrough I am sure he would definately want to meet and film your actions I have no question in my mind of that
Even I would be your patient and we can see if your claims are true so it will either go two ways
We will see if your claims are false and you scam people or you have unearthed the truth about herpes now that would make the most amazing TV programme ever and you would get all the credit you have been dearly craving for
I will call and write to the company cause trust me they would be interested
Whats your thoughts??? Everyone if flowers says yes he will do it and then backs out last minute you will all be the first to know, why dont we even talk about it on the phone when I call you flowers I am totally serious about this
Also everyone you tube Derren Brown Investigates (hope you get it in America guys) so you know I am telling the truth
It will film where you live flowers so we will see if you are living in proverty like you say aswell
Jay, are you really as Naive as B? Do you think the show you are talking about is real? You gotta be smarter than that. If the show goes around debunking people's claims and nothing more no one would go on it with a legitimate claim which means only one thing, it is all make believe and fictional. Not attacking your programming because our programs are just as fictional. But on the off chance that the show is real and will take on a real challenge, I will be happy to entertain them and do the show but I will lay down some ground rules because I am not going to have a bunch of idiots trying to act like they know herpes from a coma.
And the show won't fly for doing it with herpes so we will do it with deadly allergies. First of all, no one is going to go on television saying they have herpes.
The American skeptic group James Randi Education Foundation has a challenge for a million US dollars if someone can prove something like a cure for allergies. When I called them and told them I could cure 20 people of deadly food allergies in less than two weeks they were all excited, but then they asked what product I would use because that is what they debunk, products. I told them I used no products and they told me I couldn't take the challenge without products. They already know I would have won the million dollars and cured 20 out 20 people suffering from deadly allergies but that is not what they do, they are in the business of debunking and therefore cannot get involved with me.
Your show will be the same. They will not be allowed to do a show on me. But I am willing to be proved wrong.
And you know what flowers even though I have herpes and everyone on telly will see me it will be worth every penny of showing my secret if it meant you were exposed as a filthy scam artist that could not cure me
If I am wrong it would be worth every penny showing everyone what a great man you are and how wrong we all are of you
Hi Everyone
Lets put this in action Flowers I have emailed Darren Brown
Good Evening
This is a long email but an interesting one
I have a great idea for your show for Derren Brown Investigates
To make a long story short Herpes is becoming an epedemic for the UK and America and figures are rising year after year
Its an uncureable virus, you can either have coldsores on the mouth (herpes simplex) or genital herpes (herpes complex) however it can be.....(sigh) by treated by using valtrex and acyclovier everyday which by the way has awful side effects i.e you can lose your hair, sickness etc etc
Now I have suffered from herpes for over 10 years and there are two main arguements on the cure and treatment for herpes
Many people say that no-one is looking for a cure only treatments and others who think they are interested in cures which when you think about pharmacies are making millions of pounds and dollars each year by treating herpes rather than curing it makes sense for governments not to find a cure as lots of companies would be out of business and the government loses revenue (but thats just my opinion)
I mean hey they can fly a man to the moon how come they cant cure a virus?? Look at it as cancer we pough and donate billions if we cured it governments would lose revenue
There are two main people professors who have formed the herpes coallition Dr Bloom and Dr Cullen in America state they are trying to find vaccines and cures and are asking for donations, however if they find a better treatment than valtrex or acyclovier then they can patent it and make millions, rather than find a cure, I would like to expose what their motives are
I was recently blogging on a CNN site for herpes
http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/25/when-will-we-see-a-herpes-cure/
and came across a guy called David Flowers from a company called true cures and I have to say there are lots and lots of companies on the internet who claim they can cure herpes and totally scam people out of their money, he claims he can cure herpes and has cured hundreds of people please read the CNN blog about 3/4 down and you will see all of David Flowers blogs he is adamant he has a cure and says no-one is interested in talking to him because they could not patent the cure and the goverment would lose millions
All of us on the blog are talking down at him but he does make sense in some of his posts about no government wants the public to know the truth
I am willing to fly to America to meet him with Darren Brown and expose him as a scam artist scamming hundreds upon hundreds of people for their money or if he really has a medical breakthrough that the goverment never wants the public to find out about
I have his email address and you can email him direct for contact so he knows this is not a fabricated proposal
Wondering your initial thoughts about this for a show?
Kind Regards
Jay
Why Jay, it is a lovely letter. I hope you will repost it often to prove my point. If the James Randi Educational Foundation will not take a chance and debunking me, maybe Darren will. We can only hope.
By the way, I do not prepare elk stew. I may be financially unstable or broke to put it in laymen terms but I still prepare my elk and pheasant with a little more class and flavor than stew. Before I got a taste of the internet with True Cures on the CureZone only to be banned and all the members I cured banned I was in the process of writing a wild game cook book. It was going to be every bit as controversial as cures because I was going to challenge hunters to actually eat the meat they kill. Here in America, hunting is more for sport than for food. And we wonder why the government and medical industry doesn't care about people suffering.
Most people can't prepare wild game in a manner that can be enjoyed. So no elk stew. You can however choose an ethnic food of your choice and I will prepare a dish for you or I can prepare a fine elk steak or roast.
Oh Christ Jay, I just Googled Derren Brown Investigates and I am afraid you are truly naive. If you think my claims compare to claims Derren debunks you have a lot of catching up to do.
There is no way they will touch something as scientifically sound as True Cures. There is no way any television or media will ever touch True Cures.
It was nice of you to think of me though and I love your enthusiasm but you are going to have to go back to the grindstone if you are going to find someone to investigate my claims. I've tried for 16 years and the only way my claims get investigated is when someone is cured by True Cures.
truecures.com
healingunderground.com
or google "Lamisil cure herpes every time" for my hubpage articles
I have chronic coldsores and the world sees it on a daily basis when I leave my house, YOU IDIOT DF. I put the link on my facebook and I would never reveal myself to some scam artist like yourself. I would like to see your credentials or better yet, your faulty research. It's obvious you are not wanted on here. Hope your day gets better!
You still hide behind your handle Propaganda B and it isn't obvious that I am not wanted here. LOL On the contrary, everyone reading this blog who is looking for a cures is trying Lamisil if they have nail fungus and if they do not have nail fungus some are doing what Jay is doing. Those who do not have nail fungus or connections to Lamisil are trying to come up with a way to make it practical for me to train them as in find a group of people to get involved so we can have at least 4 people to train and at least 6 people who want to be cured.
Because they do not have to reveal their condition they are looking into family and friends. Isn't that nice Propaganda B, with True Cures you don't have to tell me or anyone using True Cures that you have cold sores or worse. A restored immune system takes care of everything pathogenic.
Some of the people contacting me from finding me here are begging me to treat them and they contact me once or twice a week to see if I have changed my mind. I haven't. They will either have to round up friends or family or find others here on this blog, the latter being unlikely because of how you and blackngold/John and Jay have taken over.
If this was a cure friendly blog they would be commenting here instead they contact me on the Healing Underground, Hubpages, through email or even phone. One person called a few nights ago late and asked me where to find a list of the curing products! LOL Isn't it funny how foolish people are thinking they have to have a product to cure something.
Propaganda B if you, John and Jay stopped posting this blog would become civil and cures for herpes would be exposed ONCE AND FOR ALL. Had Blackngold/John not banned me from the CureZone you would all be cured by now or waiting in line to be cured. I had 20 people contacting me a day from the CureZone. The CureZone members I cured where getting private messages filling up their inbox. Blackngold had no choice but to ban me and everyone who was cured.
B, you are here to prevent cures. If you were not here to prevent cures you would walk away and post on any of the hundreds of sites that allow people to ask for donations and post petitions. Go to the CureZone, Shut up and Post, all the hubpage herpes blogs and every single health forum across the net that ban the talk of existing cures that cannot be patented. Here you are just getting in the way and wearing me out.
truecures.com
healingunderground.com
or google "Lamisil cure herpes every time" for my hubpage articles
Flowers get the elk stew and veggies ready my friend Jay is coming to your town yeeehhaaa!!!!
Hey Flowers. I am going to comment on some more of the lies you just posted. Here is what you just told Jay.
"The American skeptic group James Randi Education Foundation has a challenge for a million US dollars if someone can prove something like a cure for allergies. When I called them and told them I could cure 20 people of deadly food allergies in less than two weeks they were all excited, but then they asked what product I would use because that is what they debunk, products. I told them I used no products and they told me I couldn't take the challenge without products. They already know I would have won the million dollars and cured 20 out 20 people suffering from deadly allergies but that is not what they do, they are in the business of debunking and therefore cannot get involved with me.
Your show will be the same. They will not be allowed to do a show on me. But I am willing to be proved wrong."
Wow Flowers. You are quite the liar. I myself am very familiar with JREF, and no products are required to enter the challenge. Only an application. They allow psychics to enter. But more importantly, they have a clear outline of their 16 rules, and they don't "do" phone calls to determine eligibility. So please post here the application you submitted, along with the response they sent you rejecting your application. Which will clearly state the reason it was rejected. We all would love to see it. Oh yeah. Shucks. It don't exixt. Just another of your lies you put up here to gain our sympathy.
No products needed for the challenge. Here is part of their rules.
"1. This is the primary and most important of these rules: Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result."
Again. No products needed. They test "powers and or abilities", so you can qualify.
Can you please post the application you sent them????
LOL John you would argue with me if I said the sky is sometimes blue and all pretty. I was advised to call the James Randi Educational foundation by a research group that said they themselves couldn't help me but JREF would probable take the challenge and pay me if I prove me claims. I didn't bother filling out applications. I wasn't looking for prizes for money I was looking for an opportunity to prove my claims, the money would have BEEN SWEET BONUS if I had a product or gimmick that they could debunk.
They guy on the phone months ago said yes they would take the challenge and he said it RIGHT OVER THE PHONE. He might have then told me all I needed to do is fill out the application but HE ASKED ME FIRST HOW I COULD CURE 20 PEOPLE OF DEADLY ALLERGIES and I had to explain that I did not use any products which thoroughly stumped him. Especially when I said I don't use hypnosis.
However Blackngold, if you feel JREF will take my challenge I will indeed fill out the application JUST to prove to you that they are not in the business of validating cures they are in the business of DEBUNKING claims of cures and will not risk allowing me the opportunity to prove my claims.
Assuming they still have the offer I will fill out the application tomorrow and you tell me how I can post it here and I will, if I cannot post it here I will post it on the healing underground. And you know what John/blackngold, you will still argue with me and call me names without provocation.
"This statement outlines the rules covering the offer made by this Foundation (JREF) concerning psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. Since claims vary greatly in character and scope, specific rules must be formulated for each applicant. All applicants must agree to the rules set forth herein before any formal agreement can be entered into. Completing this form is mandatory; there are no exceptions to this rule."
Blackngold/john here above their opener for the application process. Nothing I do falls into psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. True Cures is pure righteous science that exposes pure corrupt for sale to the highest bidder science and that is why I was told my claim did not fall into their challenge protocols but I will still fill it out because it can't be any more work than what I did today in contacting independent scientist for 6 hours in hopes that I might find one that wasn't a sell out.
So far John/BnG you haven't showed that I am a liar yet but I will use your attack here to prove you are foolish or naive or both.
The more I read the more outs I see. This is the second paragraph that lets them off the hook.
Applicant will declare agreement by signing this form where indicated before a notary public and returning the form to the James Randi Educational Foundation. Applicant must state clearly what is being claimed as the special ability upon which they wish to be tested, and test protocols must be agreed upon by both parties before any testing will take place. All tests must be designed in such a way that the results are self-evident, so that no judging or voting process is required. We do not design the protocol independently of the applicant, who must provide clear guidelines so that the test(s) may be properly designed and carried out.
Hmmm, according to JREF rule number 12 I have to have scientific validation before I can be an applicant. So far the guy on the phone wasn't talking out his...... was he John/BnG? Clearly I do not qualify for the challenge unless they will make some exceptions.
12. This offer is not open to any and all persons. Before being considered as an applicant, the person applying must satisfy two conditions: First, he/she must have a “media presence,” which means having been published, written about, or known to the media in regard to his/her claimed abilities or powers. This can be established by producing articles, videos, books, or other published material that specifically addresses the person’s abilities. Second, he/she must produce at least one signed document from an academic who has witnessed the powers or abilities of the person, and will validate that these powers or abilities have been verified.
If an 80 year old scientist from the Manhattan Project will count as an academic who has witnessed my abilities and they will consider my own articles as media presence or your attacks here I might be good to go otherwise the media requirement will always let JREF off the hook because the media is carefully controlled and if it will be allowed a media presence it will be approved by those who pay the media ie the pharmaceutical companies who own the media and the government both.
I look forward to your response to all this BnG/John. You sounded so sure that I was a liar and that JREF would take my challenge. LOL James Randi isn't stupid as his application shows. He will never award anyone any money because he will never take a challenge he knows he will loose and the powers to be out there are well aware of the validity of my claims.
Now, John/BnG I'm going to report you again and again for being overly rude. When I hurt peoples feeling here it comes from me disputing their claims not from me attacking them.
True Cures. The white whale here. Meaning John, Jay, B, Melody, Martin, BlackandGold, PositiveEnergy, and who knows who else. You always seem to have an out to explain everything, just that your out never makes any sense. Hey Jay. Glad to know we are one in the same. Only, someone forgot to tell me that I live in the UK. I did not know that. I guess I have been living my life in some kind of Vulcan Timewarp.
I guess it is time to set straight some of your lies again Flowers. And I feel bad hogging up space on the board for this. This is a herpes support blog, and yet you have hijacked it Flowers. And not only do you continually post lies, but you continually post the same post over and over again. And you also insult and cut down all of us here for your own benefit. Quite shameless if you ask me. Once again..
"Blackngold/john here above their opener for the application process. Nothing I do falls into psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. True Cures is pure righteous science that exposes pure corrupt for sale to the highest bidder science and that is why I was told my claim did not fall into their challenge protocols but I will still fill it out because it can't be any more work than what I did today in contacting independent scientist for 6 hours in hopes that I might find one that wasn't a sell out."
What a lie True Cures. JREF gets countless numbers of extraordinary claims. No one has been given the million yet. so your statement that " True Cures is pure righteous science that exposes pure corrupt for sale to the highest bidder science and that is why I was told my claim did not fall into their challenge protocols".
True Cures. Can I ask you a serious question? Why do you lie so much? And I am being completely serious. JREF continually is getting people inquiring about their challenge. And they would just LOVE to debunk someone like you. You are stating that they turned you down because they knew you would win the prize. UH PLEAZZZZEEE.
True Cures. Let us quickly summarize your time spent on this CNN blog. Tons of hot air. Not a single test showing a reversal or curing of anything. Tons of insults towards specific posters here. Yet not a single healed customer of yours has been brought here. Lots of round and round talk about what you actually do. An admittance from you that even you can't quite explain how your healing method works.
Sort of embarrassing if you ask me. I know I wouldn't want my name attached to the True Cures non cure. And JREF did not turn you down because they are afraid of you. 16 years of failure True Cures. Not a single negative test result. Not a single person to defend you. Not a single rational explanation of your methods. Just 16 years of lies and deceit. True Cures. Don't bother now filling out the application. You pretty much lied before regarding your correspondence with them. Why would anyone trust you now? And more importantly, why waste other peoples valuable time? As in JREF or Cullen and Bloom?
16 long years of failure. That speaks volumes. That is all that anyone needs to know about you here.
And hey Flowers! One more thing. Your quote:
"Blackngold/john here above their opener for the application process. Nothing I do falls into psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. True Cures is pure righteous science that exposes pure corrupt for sale to the highest bidder science and that is why I was told my claim did not fall into their challenge protocols but I will still fill it out because it can't be any more work than what I did today in contacting independent scientist for 6 hours in hopes that I might find one that wasn't a sell out."
Flowers. All of the great conmen and bullsh$t artists claim that what they are doing is "science". Everyone who fills out an application for the JREF challenge is claiming that an unknown science, or scientific principles, are behind their claims and magic. You are no different. So you weren't rejected for that. The sad truth is that you lied about the whole affair. Your story just don't wash. Nothing knew with you. Unfortunately.
@DF
Don't worry, I post blogs on all sorts of forums.... Once again I hope your day gets better. You're too old to be mad at people.... Change that frown to a smile because you're life is ending fast. May God have mercy on your soul when the day you're judged. I work in the medical field and I spend countless hours with doctors/scientist of all sorts. I spend more time reading research and pathophysiology than the time I spend on studying for my masters and working combined. I'm far from nieve. Trust me, I'm not so sure if Dr. Bloom or Dr. Cullen's can cure/inactivate the herpes virus. But, what makes them different is they are approaching this virus in a way that has never been attempted. This is not the only research I support. I donate a small percentage of my income to charities and others projects. It's in my nature to be a GOOD person. I don't waste my money on expensive materials when there are children literally starving....
Flowers. I guess I struck a raw nerve when I challenged you regarding your story of the JREF challenge. I say that because you have put up 5 posts in response to my first post. And I only skimmed your posts at first., considering the volume of them. But I have read a few in detail now, and well your lies keep coming at me fast and furious. Let me point one out to the audience here, in crystal clear clarity – meaning using your own words. And I quote:
" When I called them and told them I could cure 20 people of deadly food allergies in less than two weeks they were all excited, but then they asked what product I would use because that is what they debunk, products. I told them I used no products and they told me I couldn't take the challenge without products. They already know I would have won the million dollars and cured 20 out 20 people suffering from deadly allergies but that is not what they do, they are in the business of debunking and therefore cannot get involved with me."
Unfortunately, shortly after this post you put up this choice nugget, and I quote:
"They guy on the phone months ago said yes they would take the challenge and he said it RIGHT OVER THE PHONE. He might have then told me all I needed to do is fill out the application but HE ASKED ME FIRST HOW I COULD CURE 20 PEOPLE OF DEADLY ALLERGIES and I had to explain that I did not use any products which thoroughly stumped him. Especially when I said I don't use hypnosis."
Unfortunately True Cures, that don't jive with what you had said 20 minutes earlier. Meaning originally you said they told you no go because you don't have a product and they knew you would win the prize. And then a few minutes later here you admit they told you they would accept your application. Why the lies?? True Cures. You have a paper trail and rap sheet a mile long on the internet. And you have accused me and others here of making groundless claims against you, especially in regards to scamming and lying. Yet here are your own words put up on this blog. And they completely contradict each other. You can never seem to get your story straight. Unfortunately, that is the classic sign of a compulsive liar and con artist.
David Flowers
Glad you enjoyed the letter, Derren Brown actually gives people a fair trial and then lets the viewers make up their own minds on if they think its a scam or not – its actually a really good show well lets give it a go
"I will be happy to entertain them and do the show but I will lay down some ground rules" I understand and respect that but if we find you are lying then I will read you one of my poems to you while being filmed thats my rule haha
I do understand that these guys just want to make TV and find scammers and yes of course if you are someone who cures then they probably wouldnt want to know but the english are always intregued
Flowers elk steak sounds great haha i have never tried elk before, I will bring some tea bags nothing like a good cuppa tea, now I think you are 7 hours behind Uk time so I will buzz you hope I dont wake u up, I will leave a message if you dont answer
John does have some good points here flowers in regards to the US show, whats your response??
Also flowers come on you must have some people who keep in touch that you have cured I mean come on dude whats all this about you charging people to educate themselves on cures??
The one thing I will say though DOES ANYONE speak to any people that Flowers has so called Scammed?? I have only found the two quotes one on Curezone nothing else that I have found says anything different
Oh and one more thing flowers
If you do not receive donations and do not want money why dont you post here your miracle cures of you are doing this for the good of mankind 🙂
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Thanks for the call Jay.
For the record, Jay is not blackNgold/Positiveenergies. Jay is a man. John, is still another story.
As for the Derren Brown Investigates, I couldn't find a contact form for show ideas and what I found says their mail box get too much mail. Derren Brown is probably more like JREF and will require I have media attention before being on the show.
I admit I would love to be on the show mostly because I'm sure it pays well.
Jay, if you have an address for sending show ideas I will contact them directly.
As for the James Randi Educational Foundation, they won't touch me with a 10 foot pole. They know what they can debunk and what they can't. I told Jay over the phone that Derren will not be able to do a story on True Cures either because he won't be able to televise my claims that he would investigate.
It's very simple, the medical industry relies on you people all remaining in the dark or in other words naive and misinformed. The media cannot inform you without the medical industry's approval. Derren is the media and he can talk about ghost but he cannot go on television and tell you all that herpes testing does not detect any actual viruses. Medicine relies on you all taking the doctor's word on how reliable herpes testing is and if the media creates any doubts about herpes testing they will get more than a slap on the wrist which is a sill point because the media would never mention anything negative about their investors.
Jay, as for sharring the cure, I posted it very early on here and it drew out the creeps. If you want to read it and ask me question I will be happy to do my best at answering them. Keep in mind I am a one man science and research company which is something I have been meaning to address with you. You refer to True Cures as a company, it's just me.
I mentioned yesterday that I spend 6 hours contacting independent scientist hoping to find one willing to turn the world upside down. I got one email from an agent of one scientist because she writes so many books her agent is her contact and the agent said she forwarded the email the the scientist. By the way, she is also from the UK. Funny thing is, most which isn't many by most independent scientist are from Europe. America has crushed the life out of independent science so that no one get a chance to contradict Duke or U of H. I sure some of you find that interesting. Scientist get fired for doing things on their own, even Bloom and Cullen would be fired if they did not do exactly as they are told.
The money going to Duke and U of F research is going as much to the marketing department as it is to Bloom and Cullen that way the marketing department can come up with some NEW big words that makes it sound like Bloom and Cullen are on to something new that has never been tried. Their new research has to be worded so laymen will have no idea what they are talking about and it has to be completely different from every claims for every new research for the past 100+ years.
Duke and Bloom will never contact me or any of you. They are too busy rolling in your money.
As for John's long winded post. Post all you want John. I can start a blog of hubpage saying you are notorious for picking your nose and eating your boogers and have been know to dumpster dive behind Burger King but it wouldn't make it true but because people read it on the internet a large percentage of people will believe it without doing any personal research.
So John what I am going to do is continue to report you for abuse and ask others to do the same. That's right everyone here interested in cures, please take a split second to report John as abusive. He will ask the same of me, but my comments are disputing claims. Johns comments are copy and pasted attacks that have no validity whatsoever. Let CNN know that you want it cleaned up here. Let CNN take responsibility for investigating my claims and deciding if they are factual or fraudulent, after all CNN is a new media group and cures for any disease medicine cannot cure is news worthy to the public.
Report John if you ever want a chance at being cured of herpes. Stand up to Propaganda B if you ever want a chance at being cured of herpes. I'm not treating people anymore and if you want to be cured you better start making a world less hostile towards cures that cannot be patented.
Your only chance at being cured is if someone else feels inclined to learn True Cures who will intern help you unless you have nail fungus. And for the record, it is very easy to learn how to cure herpes and other diseases. Immunity is really very simple and straight forward. It's all about learning the capability of the subconscious that controls everything you do.
Ignore the fear propaganda here. Ignore the universities that have failed for over 100 years. Ignore the attacks by people who are against cures that cannot be patented. Above all, educate yourselves.
truecures.com
healingunderground.com
google "lamisil cures herpes every time" for my articles on hubpages.com
Jay, let me know what question you have about True Cures. LOL it will heap hot coals on John/BnG, can you live with that?
I just spoke on the phone with James Randi of the James Randi Educational Foundation. For those of you not familiar with JREF they are more or less a skeptics group that investigates amazing claims. Mostly they debunk claims because they have never awarded the million dollar prize.
James told me that they are in the process of phasing out the academic testimony and the media coverage requirement and that they shouldn't get in the way of me doing the challenge. We then spoke of the cost of such a challenge taking two weeks and the experts required.
James said it would be a double blind test which I cleared up that True Cures does not work through double blind because a person cannot communicate with another person if both people are not involved in the communication. This is when he suggested I fill out the application and send it so he could see what the heck I was talking about. I can assure you and James Randi that they have never had the opportunity to do a test on something so matter of fact and solid as True Cures. I will fill out the application and send it in. I will post my challenge to them here for you all to read and become aware of.
I want you people to understand that I know more about the placebo effect than any other living person because I can take a sugar pill of any kind and make it appear to cure you of any disease. This is because I know what has to take place to make a person respond placeboly and I can reproduce it with the utmost efficiency and effectiveness for almost complete consistency and I am not talking about temporary relief, temporary relief is for amateurs and medical doctors. I am talking about cures.
truecures.com
healingunderground.com
google "lamisil cures herpes every time" for my articles on hubpages.com
This note is at the bottom of the application. It summarizes what science is really about. Science about discrediting obvious cures by showing they cannot be duplicated blind! Science insist in removing mans own immunity and ability to control his or her immunity through communication by making a study blind. You guys are going to love my application and John/BnG is going to hate it. 🙂
Note:
Several applicants have suffered great personal embarrassment after failing these tests. I strongly advise
you to conduct proper double-blind tests of any ability you believe you can demonstrate, before attempting
to undergo testing for this prize. This has saved many applicants much time and work, by showing that
the powers were quite imaginary on the part of the would-be claimant. Do not choose to ignore the need
for such a precaution. This advice is offered only so that the applicant might be spared these problems.
The James Randi Education Foundation requires a two paragraph explanation of the challenge. I wish to post it here to get your feedback. I would like to know if it is an acceptable challenge or if I need to change anything. The challenge is for curing severe food allergies because there is no obvious way to prove a person is cured of herpes. For some reason, some people do not think living the rest of their long lives OB free means they are cured and people really don't care about testing when they go from having Chronic OBs to no OBs. Anyway here it is. I want to refine it so It is crystal clear that I am making claims that no one else can do and that in the event JREF refuses to take the challenge it is because they know they will loose one million dollars.
Thanks John for setting this up. I can't loose thanks to you. For those just getting involved, John says there is no way they won't take my challenge. If they refuse to take my challenge I win and if they take my challenge I win and earn one million dollars in the process.
Here is my rough description of my claim.
I David Flowers will take 20 people with severe deadly food allergies and cure at least 75% of them within 14 days. More than likely I will cure all 20 but there is concern of sabotage by potential test subjects so I will hedge my bet knowing full well that no one else or no form of medicine can cure 75% of their clients or patients of severe food allergies. I will not use any products and it will not be tested as a blind test at any time. If need be, I can cull out those who are not cured because of personal sabotage without exposing them to their allergen. I can tell when a person is cured or not without introducing the allergen. In a nut shell I can provide a consistent cure to anyone who wants to be cured and will follow directions and protocol. I can tell when someone is not following directions I would like to the option if need be to cull them out. I will be using my “super special” abilities to detect who cured and who is sabotaging the test.
True Cures is the act of controlling immune responses to cure diseases medicine cannot cure. To control an immune response, there must be communication between myself and my test subjects so no blind studies. The point of the challenge is that I can see to it that at least 75% of the group will be cured of severe food allergies without the use of any products, gadgets or a machine, proving the human immune system is indeed capable of immunity. I will require test subjects to avoid sugars and carbohydrates, antiperspirants, deodorants, caffeine and all other chemical products. Test subjects will also be required to sleep no less than 10 hours a day and test subjects will be required to drink at least a half gallon of clean pure water. The results will be established when the test subjects come in contact with what they are medically diagnosed as allergic to with or without any witnessed OBVIOUS reactions. Scientifically speaking I will prove that the placebo effect can be virtually 100% effective at curing severe allergies.
Hey Flowers. I am going to give you some free advice regarding the JREF challenge. But first.
In terms of trying to get people to report me to the CNN moderators. Go ahead. You claim that you are insulted by the cut and paste I have put up here. What you forgot is that the majority of it is your own words from days past (smiley face). I would be insulted as well. Some pretty damning stuff if you ask me 😉
Now that you have come clean about your past experience with JREF and ditched your original cocknbull story, here is that advice. Don't use people with deadly food allergies as your test subjects. It won't fly. First off, it is a pretty rare condition, so you are stuck with having to find 20 people who suffer from it, and who will also agree to take time out of their lives to participate, with no compensation. Will be a pretty hard task my friend.
Also, looking at it from the JREF perspective. Once the two weeks is up, the will be very hesitant to feed these 20 people someone that could conceivably kill them. No offense True Cures, but they will in all likelihood end up with 20 dead bodies on their hands, along with 20 multi-million dollar lawsuits from their families.
So stick to curing people who suffer from something that is common, so that you can easily come up with 20 test subjects. And a condition that can be verified easily and definitively tested with blood work. I am not going to do your homework for you. There are a number of conditions that fall into this category. Just some free advice my friend. you claim you can cure all conditions, so if your application is rejected, it will be because you have failed to give them something that they can easily and legally work with 😉
Why thank you John. Good point I will change if from severe deadly food allergies to severe and potentially deadly food allergies which is extremely common by the way. For example, people have been known to be allergic to peanuts, shell fish, apples, walnuts, eggs and pretty much everything under the sun.
And I am very well aware of the fact that there is no way JREF will take my challenge. Not because they are worried about people having reactions when they try the food they were previously allergic to because we would have plenty of epinephrine and doctors to administer it on hand. Naturally they will not be needed because its very easy for me to tell when a person susceptible to allergies or not. Like I have said in many comments here, the science behind True Cures is far superior to the science behind the ineffective medical industry.
@ Martin
LOL, your last comment to me, you asked for my phone number (though it was on the comment just above you request) now that I can severely bruise your agenda of getting people to settle for signing a petition instead of making an existing cure available you want to get a little ugly. However you did make a very good point. When I do but heads here it does make it difficult for the people to tell the difference between the fool and myself and John knows that which is why he insist on bumping my comments with slander and libel.
Anyway for the rest of the readers who know a petition doesn't help a thing, I am about to prove that even the James Randi Educational Foundation is against cures that cannot be patented. They are going to wiggle their way out of the challenge and you all will see. Thanks to John, we have started on the perfect claim that will show their true agenda. Like all of modern science, especially Duke and U of F, the agenda is to destroy any cures that are through unconventional means that cannot be patented instead of mainstream medicine.
Just watch as everything unfolds. When JREF wiggles out of the challenge you will know without a shadow of a doubt that modern science including Duke and U of F are not even remotely interested in cures for herpes or any disease.
And by golly, this is news worthy and NOTHING ELSE is, at least in comparison to cures for herpes and most other diseases medicine cannot cure.
Please stop wasting your time wrting back and forth with you know who. Encourage people to sign the petition. Write to the NIH or NIAID or even the President of the USA.
You are changing nothing arguing back and forth. I have not accusing anyone of being a fool; however, have you ever heard the old saying "never argue with a fool as a bystander may not be able to tell the difference."
Think about it!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/herpescure/
Here is another petition refered to as Voice Your Support For Scientist at the IHW. (The workshop was this past summer, but I'm sure there will be future workshops this petition will cover for)
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/SupportTheIHW/
I have 500 flyers for now to hand out over the next few weeks educating people briefly about the virus, how it's linked to other serious medical conditions, and how they can support the cure. Either by directly donating to the researches or signing the herpes cure petition. I provided the direct links for donating and the petition.
This is the ONE MILLION DOLLAR James Randi Education Foundation challenge. There will be doctors and epinephrine on hand when people start to enjoy the peanuts or shell fish they have avoided for years. And before anyone eats them the James Randi people and doctors will have to eat the food just to make sure it isn't tainted. 🙂
Here is my rough edited description of my claim.
I David Flowers will take 20 people with severe and potentially deadly food allergies and cure at least 75% of them within 14 days. More than likely I will cure all 20 but there is concern of sabotage by potential test subjects so I will hedge my bet knowing full well that no one else or no form of medicine can cure 75% of their clients or patients of severe food allergies. I will not use any products and it will not be tested as a blind test at any time. If need be, I can cull out those who are not cured because of personal sabotage without exposing them to their allergen. I can tell when a person is cured or not without introducing the allergen. In a nut shell I can provide a consistent cure to anyone who wants to be cured and will follow directions and protocol. I can tell when someone is not following directions I would like to the option if need be to cull them out. I will be using my “super special” abilities to detect who cured and who is sabotaging the test.
True Cures is the act of controlling immune responses to cure diseases medicine cannot cure. To control an immune response, there must be communication between myself and my test subjects so no blind studies. The point of the challenge is that I can see to it that at least 75% of the group will be cured of severe food allergies without the use of any products, gadgets or a machine, proving the human immune system is indeed capable of immunity. I will require test subjects to avoid sugars and carbohydrates, antiperspirants, deodorants, caffeine and all other chemical products. Test subjects will also be required to sleep no less than 10 hours a day and test subjects will be required to drink at least a half gallon of clean pure water. The results will be established when the test subjects come in contact with what they are medically diagnosed as allergic to with or without any witnessed OBVIOUS reactions. Scientifically speaking I will prove that the placebo effect can be virtually 100% effective at curing severe allergies.
Here is a very useful comment in regards to my rough claim to JREF.
"The conditions you delineate will almost certainly be rejected for a number of reasons. The first and simplest is that compelling patients to remove specific substances from their diet will be considered a major obstacle to deciding if TC can do the job without other interventions that could easily be seen as the cause of the improvements that might be noticed.
Randi is not an idiot ( but he can be a nasty character assassin in his public work) and he will very likely refuse to make your test that simple. The elimination of most of the items you list would almost certainly improve the immunity of most people without any form of healing.
I would suggest that you design your test so that the Skeptic cannot find major fault with it at the start.
With all good wishes for success"
Peter Moscow PhD., MDSRad., C.H. F.EMA.
This is not my exact reply but it is very close...
Thanks Peter. I know he won't readily take the challenge and I won't take it either unless I am allowed to win. When it is all said and done, whether he accepts the challenge or not the facts will be on the table and as long as people are avoiding carbs and sugars alone w/o the use of TC for two weeks and still swelling up and passing out when eating shrimp or peanuts the public will know that avoiding carbs and sugars alone for two weeks doesn't improve anything.
On the science forums I post on they completely deny that types of food, amount of water and and amount of sleep have anything to do with human immunity and they post academic articles to back the ridicules claims up. They claim it is genetic. Randi may consider briefly dismissing loyalty to his form of science to wiggle out of the challenge but the public will still know that without TC no one will be cured of allergies in less than two weeks with the consistency of TC.
DISCLAIMER: Readers, please do not avoid carbs and sugars along with drinking plenty of water and getting plenty of sleep for two weeks and assume you are cured of severe or potentially deadly food allergies. You won't be cured without True Cures.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/truecures/ Demand science and the medical industry accept existing cures that cannot be patented.
For those of you who love a good petition, here is the only one that will give you any chance of being cured of herpes on a grand scale. Meaning the only way there will be others curing herpes other than myself. Use this petition and I will teach your doctor how to cure you.
It is a little hard to read because of some technical difficulties which I hope will be corrected by iPetitions soon.
Cheers
Someone just contacted me about how this blog is “depressing”. The person said “if you can cure herpes and I can be trained I wish I could help all these people. They really have it bad 🙁 “
I replied with this.
“Every person's suffering is self induced, including my own. 🙁 The only reason I still have a little faith in God and religion is the fact that most religion's doctrines teaches that we have everything we need to be happy and healthy because you can't be happy when you are suffering. Apparently all we have to do is accept the Truth, the Light or Him and forsake all the lies, mammon and the world. Every person that turns their nose up at the power of their immune system in favor of a drug that hasn't been invented suggest that God according to religion is a liar and He put us here to suffer until science can find a way to make as much money curing diseases as they do when they specifically avoid cures. Otherwise, if reliance on medicine was the case as the naysayers spout it would be an indicator that there isn't a God behind the religions of the world.
I think I will have to post this on the blog. It always makes people question their loyalties to the mammon and the world.”
References to follow.
1 John 2 15-17
15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
John 15, 19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world will hateth you.
This accounts for the attacks towards True Cures by BlackNgold/John/Martin/Anna16/Angela and everyone else who loves the world. True Cures requires nothing worldly or any technology and the world hates that.
Here is another wonderful scripture that will change your life if you accept the truth of it no matter whether you are spiritual or not.
Mathew 7, 16-20
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
This one is for all the fat cats getting rich off of herpes.
1 Timothy 6, 3-10
3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Here is the most important scripture pertaining to people's needless suffering. For the Christians here, this should clarify what is true on this blog and what is not. Even if you are not a Christian the wisdom found in this scripture is likely undisputed or found in your own religion. This is the scripture that TELLS YOU THAT YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED RIGHT NOW and do not have to wait for anything. Forget about he world and mammon for a while and you will know the Truth, the Light and with it the CURE.
Mathew 6, 19-34
19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
25Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
This one is a very tough scripture. It is the scripture that shows we will be sick, weak and die of disease if we partake of the world and not of what He has given us. It is about partaking of the sacrament unworthy.
1 Corinthians 11, 28-30
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
NOW it isn't saying people who partake of the sacrament unworthily will be cursed. It just means you will not receive the continual Knowledge, Light and Truth which is what keeps us healthy and happy.
I don't think we are expected to be perfect but we are expected to take responsibility for ourselves as He did command us to educate ourselves so if you do not know how to be healthy it is because you are uneducated and or worldly. No big deal, you have time and according to the Bible He is very forgiving.
I do not claim to be a Christian. I just really appreciate the wisdom and truth in the bible. I may be a Christian, I just don't know. I'm almost certain I would be a Christian if there was any evidence of Christ in mainstream Christianity. A true Christian would know True Cures is the Truth as much as the Light.
Yea I didn't know I had it for a long time but on that shitty day my gf told me I gave her herpes I was devistated I always told myself if I ever got an uncurable STD I would kill myself but i decided against it
it's still sucks though I rarely get outbreaks but the thing that bothers me the most is sometimes after I ejaculate it make me feel like I have to pee constantly it's very uncomfertable but it's shitty having to my sexual partners that I have herpes so I don't have sexual partners cuz I know I won't be able to tell them and even with protection I don't want them to have to go through what I do I don't even use treatment cuz I figure since I have it I deserve the bullshit it brings but I wish there was a cure like why the fuck couldn't I get one of the curable STDs to scare me into safe sex I mean I'm glad it's not aids but still people think of me as some contagious freak now even my friends are weary of sharing things and look at me weird when herpes is mentioned anywhere it blows
Fuck me I never thought I would be the herpes guy
Man, I am with you. Sign the petition above. Get involved in donating for a cure – Bloom/Florida, Cullen/Duke. Write to the NIAID.gov, etc.
I think some positive treatments or even a cure may be out there in 5 years (I know a long time) but keep the faith and be an activitst looking for a cure.!
Best of luck FML
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/truecures/
Yeah, sign this petition so you can be cured by cures that already exist.
@FML
I hope you signed the herpes cure petition. You can find the link a few posts up. Plus, you can educate people of how the virus in current research for a *cure and not another treatment. Dr. Bloom at University of Florida (closes to the cure, in animal trials) and Dr. Cullen at Duke University is also working on the cure. They are currently working on curing HSV-1, but stongly believe HSV-2 can be cured. Once step at a time. Educated people on how they can support the cure. Several people I know have signed the herpes cure petition. You can also donate if you like. Funding is crucial in order for the research to make it through all the steps.
Check out HSV cure coalition facebook. See what they have to say about generic valtrex and pharmceutical companies. You'll find this interesting...
Let's not forget that if it wasn't for the Pepsi Refresh Project, Dr. Bloom would not be where he is now. Join the Pepsi Refresh Project on facebook and vote for other impoortant projects/researches that need the additional funding. Special thanks to pepsi...;~)
Hi B
I read that it seems really interesting a heard a rumour a few years ago about this and glad it is coming to fruition
I was speaking to my father the other day and he said scientists have now found a way to run cars on water and not petrol/gas but they cannot divulge this because it would KILL the economy overnight......It would be the same for the majority of these diseases
I am starting to do some soul searching and now am thinking these companies do not want cures they want treatments to patent to line their pockets, its sad but very true although I do think treatments are good because anything helps
When you ask the governments about famine and disease they say "thats too bad" and do not give a shit
I spoke with David Flowers the other day he is actually a really nice guy and has made alot of sense here in regards to patents and treatments, no disrespect to you David but I am still very cagey in regards to your cures as you havent give me any proof of that but I am glad you have made me see the light in regards to patents and treatments
I am still awaiting for Dr Bloom to come back to me in regards to my email, they do usually take a few weeks to get back to you as I did write to Dr Cullen once, I am sure they get hundreds of emails so looking forward to their reply
I'm not offended Jay. All I can do until I personally show you that there is a cure is give people information that can't be disputed and let it work its way into a person's reality.
Yes, water will run the same automobiles we drive today. I have used a very crude homemade hydrogen plant on my 1995 Chevy Truck. The whole thing cost less than $30 and it did create hydrogen because the first one we built exploded under the hood of my truck. The second one would more than double my gas millage but ONLY on a long trip where the plant could warm up and the truck computer could adjust to the hydrogen and back off on the gas. It absolutely worthless on short trips or city driving and it could be very hard on the truck even though it ran really really well.
If you google water for gas or hydrogen plants for automobiles the oil industry acts just like John/blackngold. You can personally just walk in the door from a five hundred mile trip where you tripled your gas millage and post the results anywhere on the internet and in an hour the oil industry will have you convinced you are a liar.
The point Jay is the $30 man made plants is dangerous, possible harmful to the engine and limited to long trips so imagine what could be done if the plant was made with all the modern technology we have today?
Industries only look after themselves. Our American governmental is owned and ran by INDUSTRIES and voters HAVE NO SAY at all.
No petition will ever make a difference because the whole system is corrupt, but if you want to at least feel good about doing something right, sign this petition.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/truecures/
By signing this petition one thing happens that will never ever happen signing any other petitions and that is it shows you finally are catching on to the corruption and seeing the truth. If you sing B's petition you are doing exactly what the medical industry wants you to do.
And it is Sunday so let me do a little preaching. THERE IS NO WAY, A CHRISTIAN WILL DISAGREE WITH TRUE CURES. The indisputable scriptures are posted above the woe is me rants.
Please email one of the individuals here below. Be kind and ask that they increase funding for hsv research.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/findingpeople/dmid/Pages/stib.aspx
Thank you.
Give your money away with nothing in return or be kind and think and be cured by cures that already exist and cannot be patented by creeps like Bloom and Cullen. Jay says they usually email back within a few weeks, well if you mention anything about existing cures they will never email back. never because they do not deal in cures and are not interested in cures. Show Bloom and Cullen you are no longer a mindless consumer and sign the petition and allow it to stand up for you.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/truecures/
IT'S SUNDAY.
It's time for some religion.
THERE IS NO WAY A CHRISTIAN will disagree with True Cures.
It's very simple if you disagree with myself or True Cures you simply do not have the Truth, the Light or Christ in you otherwise you would know the truth when you see or hear it and you would know that according to the bible man was created with everything he needs. There is nothing the YOU need from the world and there is nothing you need to wait for in regards to your health. If you need a cure, bibilically speaking it already exist and you only need the Light, the Truth and you will be able to discern the truth and use it to cure yourself. No miracles, just truth.
For the scriptures that back up True Cures look above the woe is me rants and donation scams here.
Jay,
I definitely do agree with you, but there is hope! Why? Well, pharmaceutical companies may never agree with designing a cure for herpes (HSV-1 or HSV-2). But, why do they have antibiotics to cure people of other STI's? The STI's are being cured, but pharmaceutical companies know antibiotics to cure/treat bacterial STI's will always bring profit. Currently Valtrex has went generic (patent expired), and pharma companies are losing millions of dollars. They will be desperate enough to find a cure/treatment for herpes to keep the money rolling in. If they developed vaccines to prevent people from contracting the virus, then obviously they realize this as a huge profit. Well, too many people are infeccted with herpes and the general population is unaware how easily it is to become infected with it, meaning they are not going to the doctors to get the vaccine any day soon. Eventually, the vaccine will be part of childhood of immunizations (like vaccines for other herpes viruses) and this is when pharma companies will make huge profit from the vaccine. But, what are they going to do until then? I'm telling you pharma companies are desperate for money and a new treatment/cure for herpes will balance the loss from patents expiring on current HSV-1 & HSV-2. Plus, remember Dr. Bloom is call this a treatment (inactivating the virus). Cancers can be cured, they are cured everyday with chemo and radiation. The problem is the stage of the cancer and "if" it comes back. Pharma companies know cancer cures/treatments are an endless revenue. Just think about it. Plus, vaccines are not 100% on protecting you from becoming infected. So, people will keep spreading the herpes virus and it'll keep being cured/treated (Maybe with Dr. Blooms's or Dr. Cullen's method).
Martin,
I sent four emails. Please keep posting that link to other discussions/forums.
DF,
Since you email Dr. Bloom and Dr. Cullen frequently, please give me their email address! Thank you!
This is what Dr. Bloom's current research will do for people if successful
"As applications we have aimed to: 1) deliver HSV vectors to the eye (to reach the trigeminal ganglia) as a potential therapy for recurrent stromal keratitis; 2) deliver biological peptides to the CNS (as a potential therapy for Fragile X Disease), and 3) develop safer oncolytic viruses for anti-glioma therapies".
Hi B
Yeah thats a good way of looking at it aswell, thanks for sharing that information the patent expiring couldnt come at a better time really, everyone here I will also URGE you to sign all the petitions going around and also sign David Flowers petition cause it makes total sense
B here is Dr Blooms email address dbloom (at) mgm.ufl.edu
Jay,
Thank you for the email address
"Latest news from Duke University! Professor Bryan Cullen has received a one-year NIH grant of $250,000 grant for his research and a two-year grant of $80,000 per year from a pharmaceutical company interested in his research. In addition to that, Prof. Cullen's lab now has a new website to keep the public updated on the progress of his HSV research".
cullen.duhs.duke.edu