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Washington has whooping cough 'epidemic'
April 4th, 2012
02:03 PM ET

Washington has whooping cough 'epidemic'

Whooping cough, also known as pertussis, has reached "epidemic levels" in the state of Washington, health officials say.

As of March 31, the state had 640 cases compared to 94 cases at the same time last year. This could put Washington “on-pace to have the highest number of reported cases in decades,” according to the health department's press release.

There have not been any reported  deaths, said a spokesman for the health department. The state had two whooping cough deaths in 2010 and two in 2011.

Whooping cough is a highly contagious disease caused by bacteria that can lead to severe upper respiratory infections. The bacteria spread in tiny droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes. Symptoms can resemble a cold at first, but as the disease persists, it may cause severe coughing attacks that end with a high-pitched whooping sound.

The disease is preventable through a vaccine, which is given to children through a series of five injections from 2 months to 4 or 6 years of age. Whooping cough is most serious in infants, especially when they’re too young to get vaccinated or aren’t fully protected yet.

Even after all five shots, the childhood vaccine doesn’t protect you for life.  Booster shots are recommended after age 11 and every 10 years during adulthood through the Tdap vaccine, which also protects against tetanus and diphtheria. Health officials recommend anyone with close contact with babies to get up-to-date with their shots.

However, some parents choose to not vaccinate their children or, in other cases, vaccinated people lose their immunity because the vaccine has worn off.

Washington health officials have started airing a public service announcement that features a mother who lost her baby to whooping cough last year. The PSA can be heard here.

In 2010, whooping cough infected 9,000 people and killed 10 infants in California, in the worst outbreak in the state in 60 years. California passed a law requiring all students in the 7th to 12th grade to get the Tdap booster shot.


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  1. MommyLuvsU2

    Last year when my son was born, I called my doctor, my local pharmacy, my children's pediatrician, the county health department and even asked at the hospital when I gave birth - no one would give me this vaccine. Each one told me to call another and ask. The county health department was the most shocking of all. Unless they start offering booster shots that are easy to obtain, this is going to keep happening. We are going to see an epidemic in the entire country, nevermind a state or two. And God forbid I catch this disease and pass it on to a child, you can bet your aunt Edna's ass I will be on the first train to Legalville. Then suddenly, the vaccine will be available everywhere. It's disgusting what it takes these days for things to happen.

    April 4, 2012 at 14:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Rebecca

      If this comes up again ask for a tetanus shot – they have combined the pertussis vaccine in with the tetanus shot now (DTaP).

      April 4, 2012 at 16:22 | Report abuse |
    • ann

      If you have a Walgreens, CVS, or other pharmacy that gives vaccination shots, you can walk right in and as for a TDap shot. I got one about two months ago. It contains both tetanus and whopping cough vaccine.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:26 | Report abuse |
    • KDW31

      That's crazy. When I had my son in 2009 I was offered the vaccination in the hospital. I was vaccinated before we left with my son. I can't believe this isn't standard everywhere.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:48 | Report abuse |
    • Jim

      Odumbo's immigration policies (oh, that's right – he has none) will allow more and more eradicated disease into this country as long as this clown is in office.

      April 4, 2012 at 18:48 | Report abuse |
    • Warren

      Jim, you are an idiot. actually its because a lot of people in WA do not get their kids vaccinated. there are not as many illegals in WA as CA.

      April 5, 2012 at 00:04 | Report abuse |
    • IR

      That's nuts. When I had my son almost 4 years ago both my husband and I were given the shot in the hospital. I'm 28 weeks pregnant now and was just asked of my vaccine status at my last appointment to ensure I'd have it before or when the baby is born.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:39 | Report abuse |
    • IR

      Jim – I bet the vaccination rate among illegals is way higher than among White hippies. If you're going to blame a group, blame the correct one.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:40 | Report abuse |
    • I got it

      To: MommyLovesU2,

      I work for a hospital and was given the vaccine on 4/2/12. It is now 4/5/12 and I'm just fine. Your arm will ache for a while, but I was told to take a Tylenol. I took one every 4 hours (did not wake up in the middle of the night to take anything). The ache in my arm is now all gone.

      Go to your local hospital's Emergency Department or ask for the Preventive Medicine Department and see if they will give it to you. I totally agree with you, that you should not be having so many problems getting this vaccine.

      I got the combination Whooping cough, etc. booster shot. I was told that it's good for 10 years and I will have to go for another one then.

      FYI: I got the shingles vaccine last winter too at our Preventive Medicine Department, they told me that it's good for 10 years. Note: For the first hour after the shingles vaccine you will have symptoms, they will give you verbal and written instructions on what to expect and look out for. They do that with the Whooping cough, etc. vaccine too. The combination Whooping cough, etc. booster vaccination I received on 4/2/12 was given to me at my place of work, a hospital.

      Be well.

      April 5, 2012 at 16:34 | Report abuse |
    • sane

      Jim – you are an absolute idiot. That you have the gall to call President Obama "Odumbo" is astounding. Go back and get your GED, please.

      MommyLuvsU2
      I hope you sue the right people. All those hysterical mothers who claim vaccinations cause autism are at fault.

      April 5, 2012 at 17:06 | Report abuse |
    • brad

      actually Jim has a point. We used to quarantine people entering the country until their health status could be confirmed (immigrants). Now anyone carrying anything can enter the country and contribute to this problem. Their health status is checked but only after they have been in the general population for months or even years. This newer practice has most definitely contributed to communicable disease spread.

      April 5, 2012 at 17:17 | Report abuse |
    • AaaaCccc

      did you ask a pediatrician office? they all have it in stock as their income declines if they do not vaccinate. call the office again. did you just reach a non medical front desk person who did not realize whooping cough goes under another name and is in the tetanus vaccine for kids?
      and recheck your kids records with a health professional, maybe your kids were vaccinated as part of a multidose vaccine

      April 7, 2012 at 10:27 | Report abuse |
  2. Boojum

    Didn't you get the memo? Vaccines are bad. It's apparently better to catch a serious disease and perhaps even die from it than it is to prevent epidemics with a shot. 😉

    April 4, 2012 at 14:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lori

      Wow...how ignorant is that statement!! How can you say that?!?!!! Hurray for Maggie's statement.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:55 | Report abuse |
    • Mukhtiar Singh Kataria

      Best alternative is to use Homeopathic medicine as prophylaxis for this disease:
      Drosera 200 -one dose

      for treatment try Pertussin, Mephites & other meds.

      April 4, 2012 at 22:19 | Report abuse |
    • Kerwyn

      Lori,

      That was sarcasm .....

      April 5, 2012 at 09:41 | Report abuse |
    • footnotegirl

      @Lori, check your sarcasm filter, it seems to be off. Boojum is being sarcastic.

      April 5, 2012 at 10:44 | Report abuse |
  3. Maggie

    Finally, Karma. These people who don't immunize their kids should get to witness what they've done to their kids as they watch them get sick from this horrible disease. Just feel sorry for the kids to have those parents. I work in an ER, and if you've ever seen Pertussis (whooping cough), it is horrible. Last week I had parents of a sick 8 month old, un-immunized, but they SMOKE around the kid. Makes sense to me. Now their kid has whooping cough, and they want "everything done" of course, as long as THEY don't have to participate in keeping their kid healthy.

    April 4, 2012 at 14:59 | Report abuse | Reply
    • crazyvermont

      Totally agree.....I have six beautiful grandchildren who have the misfortune of their mother refusing to vaccinate them due to all kind of risks. Youngest had whooping cough this past fall and almost died. It takes every ounce of strength in me to not intervene for the sake of the children

      April 4, 2012 at 16:17 | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      No, this isn't karma. Karma will be when polio begins to make a comeback.

      April 4, 2012 at 16:17 | Report abuse |
    • earthshoes44

      Aaaand once again the media gets it wrong for the sake of scaring people into complying. FYI–there's a new strain of whooping cough going around that the vaccination isn't effective against. This has been going on in Australia since 2008. I had friends who experienced this some years ago when their vaccinated children came down with it. Everyone around them assumed that their children were carriers and dangerous and they had people (in hysterics) vilifying them.

      April 4, 2012 at 16:42 | Report abuse |
    • Alex

      The parents who don't vaccinate their kids and their kids get sick should be held responsible for those kids their kids infect.
      A few years ago in San Diego an unvaccinated kid came home from Switzerland with measles. The parents took the kid to the doctor where the kid infected babies too young vaccinated for measles. In total over a 100 kids contracted measles traced back to one unvaccinated kid.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:20 | Report abuse |
    • Warren

      earthshoes- actually there are large populations in WA that don't vaccinate their kids, so that is most likely the cause not a different strain. good try though

      April 5, 2012 at 00:07 | Report abuse |
    • Kristi

      And women who don't breatfeed their children should be held accountable for their children getting sick as well. A simple thing often means the difference between life and death, yet a majority of women are content with being too self-centered to take the time and effort to breastfeed. Why isn't that considered medical neglect when there are hundreds of studies showing the health benefits and the higher mortality rate of formula fed infants.
      And what about parent's who feed their kids unhealthy? In my mind that is also borderline child neglect.
      Why is it so easy to point fingers at parent's who do not vaccinate, when formula feeding and letting kids grow up on junk food is acceptable? If anything, I will take an unvaccinated kid who is breastfed and eats a clean diet. At least their little bodies have a much better ability to fight off germs and viruses.
      If you want to point fingers at neglectful parenting, you need to point it at all forms of neglect. But no, apparently it's considered insulting to bash a formula feeding mom or a mom who goes through fast food drive thru's too often.

      April 5, 2012 at 07:01 | Report abuse |
    • kay

      @MIke – I'd be a lot more worried about smallpox. It's a hellishly painful disease to die from, is rampantly contagious, and there is no cure.

      April 5, 2012 at 07:53 | Report abuse |
    • julia

      @Kristi comparing formula feeding to junk food is ignorant. God forbid you ever have a baby and are unable to produce milk, or have some other reason that breast feeding becomes impossible. It is easy to be high and mighty when things work for you, but it doesn't work for everyone. My baby is on formula because after I did 4 months of SNS feeding, pumping around the clock, seeing a lactation consultant and generally becoming obsessed and depressed. She was still under weight and in danger of being hospitalized. Formula doesn't kill babies.

      April 5, 2012 at 10:03 | Report abuse |
    • footnotegirl

      @Krist Breast feeding is obviously better, but quite frankly many women cannot for one reason or another breast feed. I was absolutely DEDICATED to exclusively breastfeeding my baby throughout pregnancy and when she was born. And then we ended up taking her to the emergency room in the first week because she was starving. I have not ever been able to provide enough milk even with power pumping, breastfeeding and then pumping hourly (I went over 52 hours without sleep to be able to do this) and taking every single supplement that the lactation consultant and two doctors told me to, and I was never able to produce more than 2 oz in an entire day. My LC, who works with the La Leche League, even told me to supplement with/use formula because it is more important for my baby to be FED and for her mom to be healthy and happy. Do not just ASSUME that every woman who doesn't exclusively breastfeed is selfish and doesn't understand the benefits of breastfeeding.

      April 5, 2012 at 10:49 | Report abuse |
    • drcub1908

      wow are you people so f'in miss informed. I have 3 kids: 10,8,4...they are not dying from whooping cough or polio.
      NO VACCINES...injecting poison into the bloodstream does not protect anything..
      what was the vaccine for bubonic plaque ... you gonna catch that ?

      try this...no vaccines, no milk...no antibiotics ( unless really necessary )...
      then increase vit- D and fish oil...and then avoid SUGAR and processed foods and
      all of you and your kids will be healthier...

      vaccines dont work...and dont prevent a damn thing...I cannot believe how un-informed you are..all of you..

      go to NATURALNEWS.com and get educated...then MERCOLA.com...

      or google VACCINE INJURY COMPENSATION FUND...if vaccines are harmless, why have millions been paid....

      seriously...WHOOPING cough...and go get a tetnaus shot? please....the force has a strong influence on the weak minded..

      vaccines are the biggest myth.....try working with autistic kids or vaccine damaged kids...

      April 5, 2012 at 11:46 | Report abuse |
    • sam

      drcub1908 – you flaming, uneducated nutjob. Is your tin foil hat a little too tight today?

      April 5, 2012 at 13:02 | Report abuse |
    • whoopingcoughsound

      That sounds kinda heartless. It's not the babies fault they didn't get vaccinated.

      April 5, 2012 at 21:08 | Report abuse |
    • Laurie

      @Drcub1908, your children are alive and healthy because the rest of us take our kids to see qualified accredited doctors (not "doctors" like you) and have them vaccinated.

      April 6, 2012 at 01:26 | Report abuse |
  4. c s

    Most Americans have never seen or know anyone who has had whooping cough. Unfortunately some people are so panicked by possible side affects of getting the vaccine that they refuse to get it for their children. As herd immunity declines, more and more cases will happen and then there will be a sudden full blown epidemic that kills hundreds of children. This problem is getting worse with 40 or 50 million people having no medical insurance. Those uninsured are not getting any vaccines and so they will provide a pool of possible victims. Too many people are under the false idea that the uninsured will not affect them. Sadly it does not work that way.

    April 4, 2012 at 15:04 | Report abuse | Reply
    • penquin

      While I do agree with you in theory, just an FYI – your local county government will vaccinate for free. No insurance needed. When my kids were little, our health insurance did not cover vaccinations (go figure!) and I would sit at the clinic when the shots were needed. Luckily, we changed ins and I only had to do it a few times, but they were free and sitting there was totally worth it.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:03 | Report abuse |
    • drcub1908

      simply wrong

      April 5, 2012 at 11:47 | Report abuse |
  5. DCee

    So how many of the people that got sick were vaccinated for whooping cough? That would be a nice stat to know.

    April 4, 2012 at 15:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Gary

      Zero

      April 4, 2012 at 15:48 | Report abuse |
    • rgc

      That is not true. My son, who had been vacinated, got whooping cough at age 10. The vaccine starts to wear off even before the time that they are recommended to have a booster. Another boy in his class got whooping cough. He had also been vaccinated. He then passed it on to his baby brother who was too young to have all the doses of the vaccine. Baby got very sick but luckily survived.

      April 4, 2012 at 16:40 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      rgc...'wear off"? what makes you think it ever did anything in the 1st place? 'They' tell us vaccines are effective in preventing disease but then when they don't work, 'they' tell us they just wore off...pathetic excuse. Immunology does not work that way...our bodies do NOT forget.

      April 4, 2012 at 18:13 | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      @PLZ Actually most of your antibodies decrease in number over time.. the reason some vaccines need boosters is because those diseases progress more rapidly and it takes longer for your bodies immune system to "remember" how to fight it off. Other diseases like polio or measels for example progress more slowly and your immune system has enough time to kick in. Whooping cough, tetanus and the others that require boosters are faster progressing diseases.

      April 4, 2012 at 21:14 | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      DTap vaccine has over 95% efficacy. So, given that those unvaccinated will have a near-100% chance of being infected, that those vaccinated have less than a 5% chance, and that the majority of children (though, sadly, not enough) are vaccinated, I'd say the chances that any of the more than 600 cases involving vaccinated children are pretty much zero.

      April 5, 2012 at 04:05 | Report abuse |
    • drcub1908

      Gary is a moron...most outbreaks are from the vaccine...look at Polio of the 50's in California...from the vaccine..

      April 5, 2012 at 11:48 | Report abuse |
  6. J.C.

    The anti-vaccine crowd would be humorous if it wasn't for the trail of dead babies they leave in their wake.

    April 4, 2012 at 15:42 | Report abuse | Reply
    • PLZ

      trail of ZERO deaths from this so called 'epidemic' keep buying into the fear-mongering...and 2 deaths in the last 2 years they blame on whooping cough...with your level of logic you're more likely to drown in your toilet

      April 4, 2012 at 16:24 | Report abuse |
    • MDcares

      I had to watch as life support machines (ECMO) were turned off on 3 infants died in their parents arms after they lost the battle which pertussis over the past 2 years. They were too young to be vaccinated so acquired it from unvaccinated parents or siblings.

      April 4, 2012 at 19:07 | Report abuse |
    • drcub1908

      JC....10,8,4...are the ages of my NON-dead NON-vaccinated kids...
      Vioxx killed 60,000 people..
      drug companies have killed and injured 100,000+ of kids TESTING their garbage..
      at least have some common sense or logic before you post

      April 5, 2012 at 11:50 | Report abuse |
    • peridot2

      Merck paid 3,468 claims for deaths attributed to Vioxx. There were 60,000 claims. DrCub, your statistics are invalid and inflated, not to mention lame.

      April 5, 2012 at 14:31 | Report abuse |
  7. RC

    I find it interesting that the majority of children who contract a particular childhood illness such as measles, mumps, chickenpox and whooping cough-have received all mandated innoculations for the very disease they end-up contracting.

    There's no guarantee any medical innoculation works or will not harm. Don't be a sheeple to medical brain-washing and propaganda. Check out thinktwice.com

    April 4, 2012 at 15:59 | Report abuse | Reply
    • crazyvermont

      My wife is a doctor and Ihas had to treat a number of cases of children with diseases you mentioned. I think she'd find your assertion interesting and would guess she'd question your sources.

      April 4, 2012 at 16:20 | Report abuse |
    • 137159

      I would find that interesting, too, if it were even remotely close to the truth.

      As for this, "There's no guarantee any medical innoculation works or will not harm," yes, that's completely true. There's also no guarantee that you won't get hit by a truck tomorrow, but that doesn't make it a good idea to go play in traffic. Like all of medicine, vaccines don't promise guarantees; no one claims they are 100% effective or 100% free of side effects. It's just that odds are overwhelmingly–overwhelmingly –in favor of vaccinating.

      April 4, 2012 at 16:41 | Report abuse |
  8. PLZ

    All you mindless sheep keep sticking your children with needles and keep wondering why you are all so sick.."Even after all five shots, the childhood vaccine doesn’t protect you for life." are you incapable of thinking on your own at all? These vaccines prevent or cure nothing. You want to thank someone for ridding our society of disease? Thank you local garbage man or waste management company...proper sanitation is responsible for wiping out disease.

    April 4, 2012 at 16:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • semipenultimate

      Polio. Smallpox. That is all.

      April 4, 2012 at 16:37 | Report abuse |
    • medschoolkid

      These vaccines have saved millions of lives. Do you think smallpox was eradicated from sanitation practices?

      April 4, 2012 at 19:21 | Report abuse |
    • Captain Hindsight

      I'm guessing you're against condoms, too.

      April 4, 2012 at 20:42 | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Is this person an example of what is called a troll?

      April 5, 2012 at 14:11 | Report abuse |
    • peridot2

      This is an example of a Medical Troll, Paul. Either that or he's some sort of deranged lunatic.

      April 5, 2012 at 14:33 | Report abuse |
  9. Jennifer

    I got the vaccine in the hospital before I left with my newborn son. My husband got it at our pediatrician's office during a newborn check up. And of course our son was vaccinated ON SCHEDULE. The anti-vaccination movement is one of the most frightening things to happen in this country in recent years. I fear this is the beginning of the fallout. What will it take to make these people see the light?

    April 4, 2012 at 16:51 | Report abuse | Reply
    • PLZ

      See what light? Astonishing rates of Autism/ ADHD and other learning disorders? What logic are you applying that vaccinations and pharmaceuticals equal good health? You must be getting all your good information from TV commercials. How do you explain the fact that Americans consume more pharmaceuticals than anyone else on the planet but rank outside the top 25 in life expectancy.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:26 | Report abuse |
    • Jennifer

      Um, sorry PLZ, but I get my information from quality scientific research (double-blind, clinical trials) and from my educated doctors. Where do you get your research? Jenny McCarthy? Yeah, I thought so. There is not ONE bit of solid, peer-reviewed research out there to support the connection between vaccines and autism. Vaccines are inordinately safe and are responsible for extending human life and saving lives as they have done so for decades. I feel so sorry for the children of parents who refuse to vaccinate. Their lives have been put in danger.

      April 4, 2012 at 18:09 | Report abuse |
    • Peds RN

      PLZ~ You need to get you information updated: ZERO link between autism and vaccinations. In fact, that whole study was thrown out because the research was done on such a huge bias that the information, conclusions and methods were thrown out by the very journal that it was published in. There is zero, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH link. But you want to know what IS linked??? Children who get whooping cough, and the ECMO machine that tries to save their life. Have you ever seen a child placed on this machine? I really hope you don't EVER have to see that.

      April 5, 2012 at 01:23 | Report abuse |
    • Kristi

      No, the most frightening thing to happen in this country regarding our children's health is the acceptance of infant formula as a replacement for the one thing human babies are biologically designed to consume...breastmilk from their mother. Formula is pure processed junk that has numerous studies proving the harmful effects of it, yet in the interest of being politically correct we refuse to consider formula feeding medical neglect, when that is exactly what it is.

      April 5, 2012 at 07:31 | Report abuse |
    • drcub1908

      Jennifer, you are beyond dumb....vaccines do not work...ask this:
      look at the ingredients and decide this if you would NOT ingest it, why would you INJECT it?

      MERCOLA.com
      NATURALNEWS.com

      I am a doctor..and WILL NEVER inject my kids with garbage

      April 5, 2012 at 11:55 | Report abuse |
    • MPH

      @PLZ

      Yeah, that study was retracted by its AUTHOR. That's the scientific equivalent of calling bull**** on yourself. That leaves not a single peer reviewed paper in all of medical history proving that vaccines cause autism or any other morbidity, except in cases such as an individual with an allergic reaction. Considering how long the vaccine panic has been around, one would think that someone would have been able to prove something if there was in fact a link.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:42 | Report abuse |
    • sam

      @drcub1908 – a doctor of WHAT? Holistic medicine? Veterinary practices? Urban myths?

      April 5, 2012 at 13:04 | Report abuse |
    • 137159

      @drcub1908 - No, seriously: A doctor of what? I really want to know. When someone drops "I'M A DOCTOR" into the conversation, I think most people just assume they mean "MD." But I'm not thinking you're a medical doctor...are you?

      April 5, 2012 at 14:45 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Keep telling yourselves there's no link....You don't know whats causing it but you do know its NOT vaccine related...yeah right. I'm not saying its guaranteed to be causing it, I'm saying we need to re-think our approach to healthcare because something isn't right, but you're saying there's NO way there's a connection, talk about closed minded, tunnel vision. You probably believe politicians and big business execs never lie too...

      April 5, 2012 at 17:00 | Report abuse |
    • AByronC

      Drcub1908 please stop professing to be a doctor. You obviously don't have an understanding of a simple immune response or how a vaccine works. Nor do you seem to have any regard for human decency and respect. Your spelling, grammar, and choice of language are not consistent with someone who has been to college. Nearly everything you say is based on factual inaccuracies. Please stop.

      April 9, 2012 at 22:49 | Report abuse |
  10. earthshoes44

    This bears repeating–there's a new strain of whooping cough going around that the vaccination isn't as effective against. People who are fully vaccinated have been getting it. This has been going on in Australia since 2008. Please do not panic. Do not blame those who've chosen not to vaccinate. Their children are not germ factories with diseases waiting to pounce on your unsuspecting infants. The mutated disease probably rode over on the coat tails of some unsuspecting traveler. It happens.

    I'm not against vaccinating (though I think we give too many at once, too closely together and opted to vaccinate on a modified schedule), but there are things they don't feel it necessary to tell you–many diseases like whooping cough are getting tougher to beat. Polio is mutating in Africa–thanks to the use of the live vaccine (which we don't use in this country anymore for very good reason), they've seen a mutation in chicken pox (first reported in 2006). Of interest, and to be filed away, some (a minority I imagine) have demonstrated a genetic mutation that impairs their response to the measles vaccine. I wonder how often this is true?

    My best advice as a seasoned parent of four healthy grown sons is this–Do NOT let the media (or the medical establishment, for that matter) panic you. Inform yourself, check your child's shot records. Take a hard look at their immune system and their environment and make an informed decision.

    April 4, 2012 at 17:03 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dr C.

      The beauty of the 1st Amendment, allowing you to have an opinion when what you say is based in no scientific knowledge and it is even dangerous.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:29 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Dr. C...ignorance is bliss...you're just a cog in the wheel flawed research and logic

      April 4, 2012 at 17:37 | Report abuse |
    • earthshoes44

      The facts concerning the times the vaccines have been ineffective aren't my opinion. You are welcome to look them up for yourself. Even though my sons are all older teens and young adults now, I still keep track of the info out of habit. If you have children, you should be doing the same thing–not just taking someone else's opinion.

      Did you notice that I stated that I am not against vaccinations? That I believe we ask children's bodies to mount an immune response to too many vaccinations at a time? That too is based on fact–the fact that my own son got the Measles from the vaccine when he was small and that it made him very, very sick. When I contacted the health department who talked me into giving it to him (and it turned out he was several months too young) the response was a"Yep. That happens sometimes. Have a nice day." And the nurse–the same one who gave him the vaccination–hung up without expressing a single word of concern (the woman was simply awful–they finally fired her a year later). The doctor I spoke with when I took my son in because I wasn't initially sure what I was looking at, was extremely sympathetic, but explained that for every case in which a child has a serious reaction or (in those days) got the disease they were trying to prevent, there were hundreds that didn't. And that's what they focused on–the herd. Not the individual. Not my son. Not the younger brother who contracted it from him (oh yeah–it was contagious) or the two older brothers who contracted a less serious version of it. Or me. (My husband who'd actually caught the disease as a child and didn't get the vaccination didn't get it, interesting, no?)

      That was the last time I allowed anyone to pressure me into going against my better judgement. It was clearly up to me to make the decisions concerning my children's health. So I did–I did my homework (read everything I could get my hands on–pre-internet) and figured out which vaccinations could wait, which ones were killed, which ones were just crippled, and which ones were the most important and spaced them accordingly. Any time a nurse argued with me (and it only happened once after that), I thanked her for her "concern" and didn't budge.

      April 4, 2012 at 18:15 | Report abuse |
  11. Homeschool Mom in AZ

    Let's not flip out and immediately blame those who don't vaccinate. There aren't many of them around. Our ped warned us that almost every case comes from grandparents and great grandparents whose immunity had worn off. They hold new babies who are too young to be vaccinated and cough on them. He also warned us that most cases of Whooping Cough look like a regular cold-only in rare cases is it the "whooping" sound followed by vomiting. His advice-never take newborns out in public and don't hand them around to people. He also advised never putingt infants in any kind of childcare or daycare situation if it's humanly possible to avoid it.

    April 4, 2012 at 17:17 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dr C.

      The first shot of DTaP is due at 3 months of age. Before that time babies do not need vaccination because they carry immunity from their mothers (providing they were vaccinated or had the disease themselves). After 3 months and every 10 years you need a reinforcement. Granny coughing on baby will not pass the disease if the baby is vaccinated properly and his immune status is normal.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:33 | Report abuse |
    • OvernOut

      Can't blame older people for this one–I'd be finding a new pediatrician if I heard that, sounds like "old doctors tales", not facts. I know a 23-year-old recovering now from whooping cough, he was visiting Colorado for the winter. He did not have any booster vaccines before starting college, it caught up to him after he graduated. BTW, my three kids were at church–in public–before they were a week old, and were passed around to everybody, and that goes double for the first two who were 5 lbs and 4 lbs at birth (37 weeks, so not preemies). They're all in universities now, and they turned out pretty well.

      April 4, 2012 at 17:50 | Report abuse |
    • Get plowed

      SCREW OF SEMEN LOVER

      April 5, 2012 at 10:24 | Report abuse |
  12. JonDie

    Whooping cough is completely preventable by vaccination.
    I want to commend all the parents who are willing to rish their children's lives by foregoing vaccation.
    The world will be less crowded without your children.

    April 4, 2012 at 17:53 | Report abuse | Reply
    • PLZ

      My guess is 8th grade is your highest level of education completed

      April 4, 2012 at 17:57 | Report abuse |
    • Quixoticelixer

      PLZ, you are the one with an 8th grade eduction. It is completely obvious that you have a limited science background as you don't even understand the mechanism of action to which a vaccine boosts the immune system. Please do us all a favor and actually READ AUTHENTICATED SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE before you start spewing your nonsense all over the Internet.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:40 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      I have probably spent more on education than you have on your house...actually your parents house because you probably still live in their basement. I'm not impressed by all your references of 'double blind, random studies'...the same studies that are funded by big pharma and manipulated to control the mindless herd incapable of independent thought.

      April 5, 2012 at 16:32 | Report abuse |
  13. LouisP

    The 1% intelligent doctors don't vaccine their kids but vaccine your kids. The rest 99% doctors vaccine their kids and your kids.

    April 4, 2012 at 18:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • medschoolkid

      The doctors who understand immunology and the terrible effects these diseases can have have no problem vaccinating their kids.

      April 4, 2012 at 19:24 | Report abuse |
    • Captain Hindsight

      The 1% "intelligent" docs you mention probably got their education by watching General Hospital reruns on Soapnet.

      April 4, 2012 at 20:46 | Report abuse |
    • Warren

      would that 1% of doctors you refer to be chiropractors that refer to themselves as doctors. All the MD/DO colleagues i have, including myself, vaccinate our kids.

      April 5, 2012 at 00:18 | Report abuse |
  14. ug

    It is part of that incurable disease called liberalism...

    April 4, 2012 at 18:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • M.K.

      How pathetic you are sir, Why dont you get a life?

      April 5, 2012 at 01:13 | Report abuse |
  15. PLZ

    What clueless, uneducated, misinformed and shops at Wal-Mart? People who just LOVE vaccines without doing any research and applying little to no common-sense and just obeying what they are told to do so drug companies can continue to turn in record profits with zero regard for human life and no morals.

    April 4, 2012 at 18:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Paul

      This is a troll whose main goal is to annoy people. He should be given all the attention he deserves – i.e.: ignore him.

      April 5, 2012 at 14:16 | Report abuse |
  16. perilousvoyageofme

    It's sad that everyone's comments are coming down to the argument over whether or not to vaccinate. This isn't about politics, being uneducated or clueless. The fact of the matter is that everything in life is a cost / benefits ratio. Sure, vaccinating can prevent common diseases, but it also isn't 100% fool-proof either. Those of you crucifying parents who refuse to vaccinate, maybe you should read medical journals that report that even children who are vaccinated can still be carriers of a disease and can become ill if the strain mutates (which is more common than you think). And those of you who are condemning vaccines need to stop screaming "autism" and really do your research outside of the general mass media. As someone in the health care field, I'm for educating yourself and coming to informed decisions... regardless of what that may be. But choosing one way or the other is everyone's choice, and we should respect that instead of belittling each other and making this more than it needs to be.

    April 4, 2012 at 18:56 | Report abuse | Reply
    • medschoolkid

      Yes I agree we need to look at the cost benefit ratio. The flu shot is obviously not that necessary for healthy young and middle aged adults, but is still important to give to young children and the elderly. But the DTaP vaccinates for dangerous bacterial diseases which do not mutate that easily. Sure it is your choice whether or not to get a vaccine, but not vaccinating your child for a deadly or painful disease is irresponsible and cruel.

      April 4, 2012 at 19:33 | Report abuse |
  17. Captain Hindsight

    The amazing thing about the internet? You can find all sorts of inaccurate sources to support your ignorance.

    April 4, 2012 at 20:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. Me

    this is interesting

    April 4, 2012 at 21:48 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. Mukhtiar Singh Kataria

    Safest way to prevent whooping cough is to get homeopathic medicine Drosera 200 – one dose as prophylaxis for this disease.

    April 4, 2012 at 22:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • ADIFF

      Completely safe & completely ineffective. It's nothing but water. How's that do anything except cure one of having the money paid for it? It doesn't have any active ingredients and has no therapeutic effect at all. Homeopathy is based on the ' law of similars' which really should be called the law of stupid.

      April 5, 2012 at 04:40 | Report abuse |
  20. Mke

    I've had whooping cough. I caught it in my early 20s during a winter vacation. Let me just say that it's not a pleasant disease; you have an extremely high fever (around 103 in my case) for days, and terrible upper respiratory symptoms that last for weeks. For me, I had a cough that was sever enough that it woke me up during the night without prescription cough syrup for about 3 weeks. At the time I caught it, I had no idea that vaccine wore off, and I had never heard of anyone getting the disease. Let's just say that I learned my lesson: you are a potential victim, even if you are completely healthy, like I was. Get vaccinated.

    April 4, 2012 at 23:51 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. M.K.

    The right wing lunatics will find some way to blame a Democrat for any bad thing that happens. I see where the Repukelicans now want to close all the post offices and kick out the carriers that see to it that we receive our mail. I am positive the folks in rural America that have been supporting these fanatics will just shut off their eyes and ears to this debacle and continue to vote for the job killing and anti-American Republicans like they have been doing in the past. If they are successful in this endeavor you will have to pay five bucks to FEDEX or UPS to deliver your payments to your creditors. Ronald Reagan is the idiot that first decided to change the post office to a more private enterprise oriented business, and told the American people that would solve the problem. Well, that was another bad Bonzo move. What would do more good than anything is for the voters to kick out all of the Republicans country wide.

    April 5, 2012 at 01:09 | Report abuse | Reply
  22. Search and Find your friends

    I have fun with, result in I found exactly what I used to be taking a look for. You have ended my 4 day lengthy hunt! God Bless you man. Have a nice day. Bye

    April 5, 2012 at 02:38 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. PTL1640

    I am all for vaccines but there are real reasons for some to not get certain vaccines . My niece got brain damage from the MMR vaccine & my nephew had brain damage do to the pertussis part of the DPT shot as babies . They are both adults now but will always have to be taken care of . My sister did not know that if a close family member has epilepsy that there are certain shots that your baby should not have because the risk of brain damage is high .

    April 5, 2012 at 04:12 | Report abuse | Reply
  24. Norma Tyler

    There are some people here dont want there kids to have no kind of shots which is endanging other kids and people.Wa state needs to stop trying to be so high class with all the homeless and blacks getting records over dumb stuff.a woman can call the police and say they was hit what a teddy and thats a record and the women keep calling that man or write him in jail when they no suppose the man end up with more time and nothing get done about that.These that dont want to get there kids a shoot needs action taking against them you are put other people lifes in danger.

    April 5, 2012 at 04:33 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. ADIFF

    Vaccination should be mandatory as a public health issue. The unvaccinated should be quarantined or jailed with no exceptions except health reasons.

    April 5, 2012 at 04:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • drcub1908

      idiot...but fat parents can feed their kids crap, make them obese and that is fine..
      because the smart and responsible parents know that vaccines dont work and are harmful...you feel you should lock us up?

      you're protected...you are safe.....you had the magic shot....WOW....

      that comedian was right.....YOU CANT FIX STUPID!

      April 5, 2012 at 12:06 | Report abuse |
    • ADiff

      drclub1908, You are clearly an irrational anti-scientific idiot. I have to agree with the poster who asked what your doctorate is actually in, if you actually have one at all....Holistic Medicine...Chi manipulation....General Woo?

      Do what you want with your own kids, but the law should protect mine from you, which is why vaccinations should be mandatory for all persons except those with a sound scientifically based medical reason for exemption. There are laws against Typhoid carriers working in food industries for the same reasons there should be laws mandating vaccinations for preventable diseases.

      And we should not let a few 'flat earther' types like you get in the way.

      April 5, 2012 at 19:09 | Report abuse |
  26. Bill

    Anyone who fails to innoculate a child, due to imaginary detrimental effects (i.e.-causing autism), needs to have their child taken away from them, as well be thrown in jail. That is nothing more than child abuse, in my mind.

    April 5, 2012 at 07:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Kristi

      I feel the same way about anyone who formula feeds their child. That's child abuse in my mind.
      Any formula feeding mom who's child gets a cold, flu, cancer, or anything else that is show to be preventable by breastfeeding should be thrown in jail as well.

      April 5, 2012 at 07:40 | Report abuse |
    • Jami

      @Kristi,

      I have to say I think you may be incorrect. I know this is personal experience, but both my oldest brother and I were adopted at 3 days old and were formula feed. The only disease we had as kids was the chicken pox. This was before you could vaccinate against it. Now my youngest brother, who is my folks biological kid, was breast feed and he had a ton of silly things as a kid. He also really has ad/hd. I guess in my case, formula was better?

      You do realize that there are also women you can't breast feed right? Are they being bad parents as well?

      April 5, 2012 at 10:00 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      You sir should be jailed for making your inner thoughts public. Keep drinking Pepsi, Doritos and waiting in the drive through at Burger King, that's what called child abuse!!!! Obesity, a precursor for Diabetes and Heart Disease kills more people in one day than whooping cough ever has.

      April 5, 2012 at 10:34 | Report abuse |
    • drcub1908

      Bill the latest MORON...
      ok I did not vaccinate my kids..and I am a doctor..with 15 years of experience.
      but I guess it is ok for parents to feed their kids crap...let them get fat and drink soda and with caffeine or
      smoke around the kids...? that is ok?

      because I am an educated person and know that vaccines DO NOT WORK and are HARMFUL...and none of YOU would received an injection of an equivalent dose based on your size and weight....

      dont be so stupid.....

      April 5, 2012 at 12:00 | Report abuse |
    • MPH

      @Kristi,

      I think we can all agree that breastfeeding is best for babies and needs to be encouraged a great deal more in this country. However, I think you're really grasping at straws when you claim that it can take the place of vaccines and can prevent colds, flu, and cancer.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:37 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      @MPH...that's exactly what she's saying...not grasping at straws at all...breastfeeding IS the best thing for immune function. Why does everyone think all of a sudden humankind cannot exist without pills and shots...you do realize we have evolved for thousands of years without drugs and vaccines. But in the past 75 years we are lead to believe we cannot survive without them...c'mon..apply some logic

      April 5, 2012 at 13:08 | Report abuse |
    • raindear

      @PLZ
      Yes, humans have evolved for thousands of years without pills, injections, etc. But along with that lack of medical intervention was also an extremely high death rate from what are now vaccine-preventable diseases. Sure, we could go back to "the good old days" when 1 out of of every 5 babies died, but why would we choose to do that? Yet, many people on this board continue to glorify a past that was full of death and suffering. But we don't even need to go back in time, just look at the numbers of deaths from some of these diseases in less-developed countries without the public health infrastructure to prevent these diseases. I imgaine if those parents had a choice, they would leap on the opportunity to help their children survive. We are coddled by the relative safety we enjoy in the US.

      April 5, 2012 at 15:27 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      @raindeer. Yes life expectancy was MUCH shorter a thousand years ago but that wasn't because of communicable disease it was because of trauma/injury and lack of basic first aid knowledge.

      April 5, 2012 at 16:42 | Report abuse |
    • ADiff

      It is that, but there are questions of parental sovereignty involved. But at the same time society must protect itself against the irresponsible, so strict isolation from public venues and facilities and quarantine if ill might be sufficient. Perhaps we can't prevent people from abusing their own children completely, but we can take prudent steps to prevent them abusing those of others by endangering them with infectious disease. And we should do so.

      April 5, 2012 at 19:13 | Report abuse |
  27. Sun

    I vaccinated my child. My aunt died from whooping cough. I'm not stupid. Yes, it is your choice to not vaccinate, as it is mine to do so. My child won't die from these easily preventable diseases.

    April 5, 2012 at 07:41 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. Mimi

    There is a misprint in this article. The td is given every 10 years. The Tdap is a one time booster dose. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-td-tdap.pdf

    April 5, 2012 at 08:08 | Report abuse | Reply
  29. Ma

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/?tool=pubmed This is a study showing the US has the most number of vaccinations up to 1 year old (26!) than any other nation yet there are 33 more countries whose infant mortality rates are lower and they use fewer vaccines. Just something to think about...

    April 5, 2012 at 08:28 | Report abuse | Reply
    • A scientist

      Correlation does not equal causation. Infant mortality in the US is mostly about limited access to (or limited utilization of) health care. How many of the countries with better infant mortality rates have universal health care?

      If I wanted to use a simplistic correlative argument, I could point out that the countries with the highest infant mortality rate tend to have the lowest vaccination rates. However, the reasons probably have little to do with vaccination. The simple reality is that access to health care (and nutrition) is the primary driver for infant mortality.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:34 | Report abuse |
    • MPH

      The reason the US has a poor infant mortality rate compared to other developed countries is because 17 million people don't have health insurance, and therefore those of them who become pregnant get little to no prenatal care. Women in other developed countries, which have figured out how to provide high quality healthcare for their entire populations at roughly half the %GDP that the US spends, get good pre- and antenatal care, resulting in low infant mortality. This has nothing to do with vaccines.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:34 | Report abuse |
  30. Red

    The pathologist with whom I work has a son who was diagnosed with whooping cough 4 weeks ago, and guess what? He is most assuredly up-to-date on his vaccinations. There are no guarantees in life (except death), and while vaccinations afford some protection, they are not 100% And breastfeeding infants is no guarantee that their immune systems will be any better equipped than formula fed infants. My daughter has a slew of allergies, and she was breastfed.

    April 5, 2012 at 08:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  31. Lnurse

    As a pediatric health care provider, I agree strongly with Jennifer- the anti-vaccination movement is one of the scariest things happening this century in public health terms. And yes, myself and all of my colleagues vaccinate our children. On a side note, the graphic included on this page is completely inaccurate. The volume of vaccine administered is 0.5 ml using a much smaller syringe to minimize discomfort. In addtion, infants rarely, if ever, receive immunizations in their arms. Please do some due diligence before including such a misleading photo.

    April 5, 2012 at 09:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • WhatNow

      My mother and my husbands mother raised 4 kids each, all vaccinated for anything the doctors advised. Oddly enough, we have all grow into middle age without any physical or mental defects. We are all healthy and happy, all offspring of the 8 kids were vaccinated and all are healthy and happy with their own offspring (who are also being vaccinated). When did we start thinking we knew more than the entire medical community?

      April 5, 2012 at 11:05 | Report abuse |
    • A scientist

      Nicely put. Not everyone will be an expert on every topic, so it is perfectly understandable that people may not be well versed in all of the science behind vaccines. However, what is depressing is the complete unwillingness of people to admit that they are not experts, and the complete lack of recognition that doctors have spent their lives studying these topics. An hour on google does not make a person an expert.

      Sadly, the internet seems to have given people the confidence to proudly parade their ignorance, and there is no easy way for most people to filter legitimate information from nonsense.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:43 | Report abuse |
  32. PLZ

    Why are all you mis-informed shot happy lunatics so worried...if your vaccines work what are you worried about? Fill up your syringes and worry about yourself, you are protected right? Oh except when they wear off..JOKE. Your thought process is just as polluted as whats in those vaccines.

    April 5, 2012 at 10:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Brandon MPH

      People are free to worry about the unneccesary suffering of others, especialy those that can not advocate for themselves, like children. While vaccines do "wear off" as you put it, should a person contract the disease, it is typically less severe. And what "pollutants" are you talking about?

      April 5, 2012 at 10:49 | Report abuse |
    • Ma

      http://www.novaccine.com/specific-vaccines/vaccine.asp?v_id=10 each maker has their own ingredients. (Formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, Latex, Polysorbate 80, ammonium sulfate, thimerosol)

      April 5, 2012 at 11:03 | Report abuse |
    • A scientist

      This is one of those arguments that sounds reasonable, but is blatantly absurd to anyone with a rudimentary understanding of the topic. So, the only two reasons people use this argument are either because they are just completely ignorant on the topic, or because they have no legitimate argument, so need to resort to deceptive ones like this. I don't know which category you fall into, but neither suggests that your opinion should be take seriously.

      The simple answer is that vaccines protect people in two different ways. First, they provide immunity to the individual infected. Unfortunately, this immunity isn't perfect for most vaccines. For pertussis, the vaccine is estimated to be 70-95% effective (depending on whom you believe), with this effectiveness slowly diminishing over time. The second is that if enough people in a community are vaccinated, the large number of resistant people act as a buffer, preventing an outbreak from getting established or spreading. This is why getting a whole community to vaccinate helps everyone.

      Add to this that very young infants can't be vaccinated, so they rely on those around them not passing on the infection.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:53 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      no science in scientist...I like how the medical community takes credit for curing and preventing disease...its called sanitation!!! (not drinking the water you defecate in)
      How do you explain the extreme decline in disease long before vaccines where ever used. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html
      Stop patting yourself on the back.

      April 5, 2012 at 13:16 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      @Brandon...are you serious? you comment on here without even knowing whats in a vaccine? Unreal, shouldn't even acknowledge your comment with a response because it is so ridiculous but I can't help myself. Somehow you made it on this site (which surprises me) so I imagine you can google 'vaccine ingredients' I'm not doing it for you, look it up yourself and come to the discussion with at least a shred of knowledge on the subject matter.

      April 5, 2012 at 13:23 | Report abuse |
    • A scientist

      PLZ: Once again, you are breaking out arguments that are obviously, provably false. I still don't know whether you are a troll, or just clueless, but you are continuing to discredit yourself. Yes, death rates for some diseases were falling before vaccines for them were introduced. That doesn't argue that vaccines are ineffective, just that other factors determine mortality. Obviously sanitation, sterile technique, antibiotics, and many other factors have reduced death rates. So have vaccinations.

      Some of the evidence - Among popluations that largely vaccinate (like the US), death rates for vaccine-preventable diseases are far higher among unvaccinated than vaccinated people. That is not an opinion; it is an indisputable fact. Because vaccinated people far outnumber unvaccinated, there have been outbreaks where the total number of infections was comparable among vaccinated and unvaccinated people, but the rates (per person) were still far higher among vaccinated. Likewise, if you follow a disease like polio, countries that stuck with vaccination programs have largely irradicated it. By contrast, vaccination rates plummeted in some African countries after fear that vaccines were a government plot, and predictably there were polio outbreaks. It has been easy to follow the clear connection between drops in vaccine compliance and polio re-imergence.

      Again, when you need to mangle the facts to make your argument, it suggests that either you are completely clueless, or you have so little faith in your argument that you know you need to lie to win people over.

      April 5, 2012 at 22:39 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      you're so blinded by medical dogma, if they taught you that the sky was green you'd cite some crooked study and argue with me about that too...that's the problem with the medical community, can't admit when they are wrong. if your system worked we wouldn't be overflowing with chronic illness.

      April 7, 2012 at 11:09 | Report abuse |
  33. Laura

    I had whooping cough as an adult at the age of 40. I literally had it for 90 days, hence the nickname the 100 days cough. It was a terrible experience and one I do not wish to repeat. I have been vaccinated with the TDap vaccine about a year ago. What's worse is that my niece, who was just 6 weeks old, contracted the cough as well. She was in NICU for over two weeks, turning blue everytime she had a whooping cough "attack". Fortunately, she is a healthy, brilliant 2 year old. I wish parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, anyone in close proximity to a newborn or baby infant will seriously consider getting vaccinated.

    April 5, 2012 at 12:01 | Report abuse | Reply
  34. drcub1908

    exactly...your kids are "PROTECTED" so why worry about my kids?
    the US has the most vaccines schedule in the world
    we have the highest autism as well...

    if you choose to vaccinate...then dont so as much and spread them out...

    if you think you are SAVING your kids from DEATH, then why is there a chicken pox vax?

    die from the chicken pox?

    April 5, 2012 at 12:03 | Report abuse | Reply
    • A scientist

      Prior to the chickenpox vaccine, about 100,000 people were hospitalized and about 100 people died each year in the US from chickenpox. Since most people do not have complications from chickenpox, we think of it as being completely innocuous, but the reality is that it can cause serious complications in a small fraction of cases.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:39 | Report abuse |
    • Lauren

      Also as a scientist, the connection between vaccines and autism has been shown to be false. There is no connection.

      April 5, 2012 at 12:52 | Report abuse |
    • sam

      Ah, a master of the tinfoil hat brigade. Also, another joker who believes that RANDOM CAPITALIZATION makes things true. Get out of here, you rube.

      April 5, 2012 at 13:06 | Report abuse |
    • Katie

      More people die in car accidents caused by inattentive drivers than chicken pox. And of the people who die of chicken pox, it's usually an older person who dies from a complication, like meningitis, which is more common when an adult (or young adult) contracts a so-called childhood disease.

      As for the link between vaccinations and autism – the studies revolved around one particular vaccination, not the combination of eight to twelve of them given in multiple doses in two -three years' time. I think the schedule itself and the overwhelming load on a developing immune system needs to be investigated. Maybe it has nothing to do with Autism, but maybe it has something to do with the steady rise of auto-immune diseases in children, particularly juvenile diabetes (the type which has NOTHING to do with being overweight). Vaccines are over rated, over scheduled, and they offer no guarantees. Follow the money – who benefits from the current CDC recommended schedule? Why aren't other civilized countries pushing the same thing? Why are their autism rates lower?

      April 5, 2012 at 15:39 | Report abuse |
    • 137159

      The real tragedy in autism is how little progress we've made over the last couple of decades in understanding it. One can't help but wonder how far the research may have come to date if we weren't STILL talking about vaccines, years after that once-compelling hypothesis was so roundly disproved.

      April 5, 2012 at 16:10 | Report abuse |
    • thermion7

      Drcub- America probably leads the world in Slurpee consumption and reality shows about towing companies... Blind correlation isn't science. Gastroenterologist Dr. Andrew Wakefield's study has been roundly debunked and the doctor has been charged with medical misconduct for publishing the article. IT DID NOT STAND UP TO SCIENTIFIC PEER REVIEW.

      April 5, 2012 at 17:40 | Report abuse |
  35. Nicole

    I contracted whooping cough back in '08, and it was no joke. I didn't even know until well after I had recovered that this is what I'd had – the doctor at the VA misdiagnosed it. I would cough so hard I was gasping for air, and I woke up a few times in the middle of the night choking and terrified.

    I've always gotten all of my scheduled vaccine updates, but I guess I wasn't fully protected and probably came into contact with an infected person on public transportation.

    Hands down the worst cough of my life, and it lasted for a month. Everybody should get vaccinated for this, having experienced it myself I fully understand how young children could die from this disease.

    April 5, 2012 at 12:05 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. Andy

    I had this the summer after 5th grade. I wasn't vaccinated because I was allergic to something in the vaccine. I would cough so hard at times I would throw up. It wasn't very pleasant. I also played hockey, and, even by winter when hockey was in affect, I had this illness. I still played but had little energy (I wasn't contagious at this point). In the end, I probably had symptoms for about 8 months. I would recommend getting the vaccine but it doesn't usually kill people other than infants and the elderly. Having said that, it really is quite awful to have.

    April 5, 2012 at 12:42 | Report abuse | Reply
  37. Doug Clark,MD

    Terrible choice of photo!! No vaccine is given in a syringe that large, with a needle anywhere near that size, or in a volume that comes close to that. We are trying to lessen anxiety, not increase it. Otherwise, keep on posting about this very important issue. We in NC are fighting a large outbreak, too.

    April 5, 2012 at 13:05 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. Katie

    I had whooping cough as an adult. Not fun. Not life-threatening, no medical attention needed, but not fun. Lasted a couple of weeks. Didn't give it to anyone. Don't know where I got it. Was told that it's very difficult to diagnose in an adult because it isn't always present in the sputum. Was also told that I was part of a small cluster outbreak in my community, that no one infected was any more ill than I was (none of us needed medication or hospitalization, not even a follow-up visit) and that sometimes "these things just happen." I, like most of the others, had been vaccinated. I started reading up on pertussis and found out that there indeed are many cluster outbreaks in vaccinated populations. No one knows why. (Perhaps ineffective vaccines??) While it can be a very scary thing to see in a child, it is RARELY life-threatening, and almost never needs medication or hospitalization, and one positive note is that if you actually get it, you'll have a lifetime immunity. Vaccines may or may not give you immunity, I found out, so even if you're vaccinated you have a 20% chance of getting the disease. Wash your hands. Cover your coughs. Keep your babies and small children away from public places until they have a more developed immune system. Get vaccinated if you can, but don't count on it as any kind of guarantee.

    April 5, 2012 at 15:28 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. barbara

    Would be interesting to know how many of these cases are families that have immigrated and haven't gotten their kids immunizations.

    April 5, 2012 at 16:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Katie

      Would be interesting to know how many infected had been immunized, as is commonly the case in cluster outbreaks. It would also be interesting to know how many people had whooping cough and didn't know it because it wasn't diagnosed until long after they got sick – also the case in many adult infections. They think they have a bad or weird cough go around infecting other people before it occurs to them that the wheezing and vomiting aren't exactly normal. Also, it's extremely difficult to culture in adults, as the bacteria isn't always present in the sputum.

      Too many people are far too willing to blame immigrants. Vaccines MAY HELP prevent one from becoming infected, but unless it's 100% effective in you AND you make sure you have regular booster shots, you might just get sick anyway.

      April 5, 2012 at 20:36 | Report abuse |
  40. thermion7

    or American parents that think immunizing your kids make them sick

    April 5, 2012 at 17:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Katie

      They DO make your kids sick. If your kid has no reaction at all, it's quite possible the vaccine didn't work. A mild fever and irritability are very common side effects and show that your child is developing the antibodies toward the serum injected into them. That's what is supposed to happen. This is considered normal. During this time and for about a month after, their immunity is actually lowered as they battle the antibodies they've developed. During this time of suppressed immunity it's important to guard against exposing them colds, flus, and whatever else is going around, because they can easily get sick. Pay attention to that when you begin the recommended immunization schedule that calls for two doses each of five different vaccines when your baby is between two and four months old.

      What's not normal is if they develop a rash, a high fever, muscle rigidity, heart failure, and a host of other problems, including death. (Death is VERY rare.) Babies have ended up in the hospital after a round of routine vaccinations because their tiny, developing systems are so overwhelmed with antibodies. Four and five year olds have ended up with juvenile diabetes and juvenile rheumatoid arthritis (both autoimmune diseases) after a major round of recommended vaccines. While this is not common, it is a growing concern and has been correlated with the sheer amount of vaccinations given.

      I'm not saying don't vaccinate your children. I'm saying do so with full awareness of what you're allowing and what the possible complications might be. You should do your research and not just rely on the glossy brochures the pharmaceutical companies give the doctors to hand out. Read some studies. There's lots of solid, verifiable info available now, from credible sources. At least you don't have to worry about the polio vaccine anymore, it's not a live virus anymore and can't give your kid polio. ALL the polio cases in the US since 1963 were caused by the polio vaccine – Dr Jonas Salk went before Congress and asked them to halt the vaccination program because of this, but they that giving some kids polio through the vaccine was better than not vaccinating them. The current safer polio vaccine wasn't put into use until the 1990s.

      April 5, 2012 at 20:52 | Report abuse |
  41. Amber

    Natural selection... thats all i have too say.

    April 5, 2012 at 18:27 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. whoopingcoughsound

    This is terrible. I was just watching an audio video of a child with whooping cough and it broke my heart. This is the site Whooping Cough Sound I feel really bad for babies that get this disease.

    April 5, 2012 at 21:06 | Report abuse | Reply
  43. informed

    1) To the fellow who dissed the scientist who explained immunology.... serious dude?! I want you to take a pledge to NEVER get any medication in your whole life. Lets see how long you live. The ironic thing is, you probably wouldn't even be alive if it weren't for antibiotics that your parents were likely given at some point in their lives.

    2.) Hey guess what? America leads the world in wealthy individuals.... and autism! Guess what, America leads the world in obesity... and autism! America leads the world in military expenditure... and autism! I wonder if obesity, wealth or military spending is related to autism.... hmmmm, YEP! It must be all three. Oh and vaccines as well.

    3.) There is no contest in the aid vaccinations have provided to third world countries. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the HUGE difference in a very sick population once vaccines, GIVEN FOR FREE TO SOME COUNTRIES (by the evil pharmas of course....), have prevented illnesses. How about you try volunteering for an organization that is actually helping these people and see how DAMN GRATEFUL they are that they see the vaccines working in their communities? But alas, vaccines only are good for these poor African nations, and in America they cause autism according to that "doctor" who won't tell you what kind of "doctor" she/he is. Probably a Chriopractor or Naturopath. You know, one of those professions that just LOVE to put the "Dr." in front of their names when they go on cruises, hotel bookings, airplane tickets, and credit cards? FAIL.

    4.) To "PLZ". One day you are going to either get sick or become a mild carrier for something deadly and spread it to an INFANT who cannot have the "choice" of vaccination because they are too young. If you kill that infant with your disease, the blood is on your hands.

    5.) There's nothing "natural" about being human. Don't kid yourself... if you wanna be all "natural" then go live in a cave somewhere and stop using everything man-made. We humans are only so successful as a species because we have created technology that has helped the lesser physically fit of us to survive and have offspring. Fortunately the lesser fit of us seem to have passed on some good "brain" genes. Guess what, the very computer you are using is "unnatural" so maybe you should lump that together with your vaccines and swear that off too. Maybe the LCD screen is giving you autism.

    April 5, 2012 at 21:07 | Report abuse | Reply
    • justcause

      Bravo! Well said! No way drcub is a doctor–there isn't an ounce of professionalism in those posts; not to mention the strange silence on what kind of doctor. I too had whooping cough last year. That was three months of my life I'll never get back and it was hell. Thankfully, my husband and teenage daughter didn't get it–both of them had had fairly recent vaccinations. Neither did my grandson, who was exposed while visiting for a while before we realized what I had. He also had his vaccinations. Go figure. I hadn't had the booster since I was young. I didn't realize how important it was. Adults, do yourself a favor: get up to date on these. Whooping cough can be devastating.

      Kristi–you appear very judgmental and arrogant. While you might say others are also being judgmental about those who choose not to vaccinate, there are two differences. Not everyone can breastfeed, but almost everyone can vaccinate! Sure breastfeeding is preferred, but I've not heard of a baby in the U.S. yet that died because it was fed formula rather than breastfed. And if I have simply missed those rare stories, I don't think the stats would compare with those who die suffering from terrible, mostly preventable, pertussis.

      April 6, 2012 at 04:43 | Report abuse |
    • PLZ

      Got some real deep thinkers here...Yes, 'mis'informed just because I want to avoid deliberately exposing myself to KNOWN toxic substances that must also mean I'm opposed to ALL technological advances and evolution (that's sarcasm fyi, don't know if you're capable of catching that).
      "There's nothing 'natural' about being human'? That's by far the stupidest comment on here, you probably shouldn't broadcast your level of ignorance, really hurts your argument. You been playing too much Call of Duty, are you a cyborg? And shouldn't you be drinking a Diet Dew and watching WWE anyways? Why are you wasting your time trying to appear intelligent?
      JustCause you must be related to 'mis'informed...you comments are equally insulting to anyone with a shred of common sense.
      You guys keep the herd together...and everyone wonders why 1% of people control 99% of the wealth...because they do a wonderful job of brainwashing you to be their cheerleaders.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:33 | Report abuse |
  44. look around retards

    hey morons vaccinations cause more problems down the line Autisim anyone?

    April 6, 2012 at 05:12 | Report abuse | Reply
    • justcause

      From the looks of your spelling, grammar, and "name," you probably shouldn't be calling anyone else a moron. It is wonderful that you are reading any news (or maybe you are having it read to you?). However, you have apparently missed quite a bit of news, especially on autism research. Here's a few links to help you get caught up:
      http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120404133656.htm
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2012/04/06/clues-to-autism-genetic-mutations-and-the-age-of-the-father/
      Clearly, there is more research to be done–but by SCIENTISTS. Or would you rather get your research from a comedian/centerfold?

      April 6, 2012 at 18:42 | Report abuse |
  45. troll finder

    drcub1908 is just a simple troll. just ignore him.

    April 6, 2012 at 13:17 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Kstar

    What are all the anti-vaccine parents going to do when colleges won't let their kids attend because they don't have the required vaccinations?

    April 7, 2012 at 09:25 | Report abuse | Reply
    • 2Lmama

      good question. i know in my state (washington...), you can file a "philosophical" or religious exemption to the vaccine requirement for public school. not sure what colleges/universities do, though i would guess it depends on the individual state and/or college (public v private, etc.).
      i understand that people make cost-benefit decisions all the time. the anti-vax people also have their children's best interests at heart, as do those of us who vaccinate. however... i chose my daughter's kindergarden in part based on the vaccine rate. her baby brother was extremely fragile for over a year, and i will not put her in a classroom where 30% of kids are unvaccinated.
      i let my kids play in the dirt, catch bugs, run around half-naked (in july and august 😉 but i also have enough understanding of basic immunology to get the vaccines. ugh. ok, rant over.

      April 7, 2012 at 17:57 | Report abuse |
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  48. hosch

    The whooping cough epidemic has nothing to do with a virus going around. The large majority will eventually come to realize that immunization is not relevant to whooping cough, also vaccines don't give people autism, toxins and chemicals do. People have been getting vaccinated before autism began showing up, it's only since we had copious amounts of industrial chemicals that autism started to become a real problem. Genetics for autism makes no sense, never in history have certain families been disposed to autism why would it start now.
    Whooping cough is not from a virus, it is a result of your kid being exposed to flame retardants from their matress or clothes that are building up in their mouth, throat, and lungs.

    This is going to sound crazy, going to sound offensive to some parents, but it is 100% true. I am not saying this based off logic, I am saying this based off experience. Whooping cough is not a result of vaccine, your kids can't breathe becasue they are being exposed to toxic flame retardants that are building up in their mouths, throats and lungs. I am sure the majority of parents are noticing horrendous coughing episodes at night, that is because they're children are lying on matresses that have been treated with dangerously high levels of toxic flame retardants. A vaccination is not going to remove these from the body, the reason they are so destructive is their chemical properties. They are much like asbestos, their industrial use is also the reason they are a health issue, their chemical properties make it so that they simply don't break down. They won't air out ever, they won't wash out, they won't go away over time. If you have a matress treated with flame retardants, the entire room and everything in the room will likely have some amount of it on it. The room is no longer safe for the kid, the more you go in and out of the room, the more you are going to kick flame retardants particles around your house.

    The only way to deal with this that I know of is to go natural. You need to remove the kid from the room. Close the windows, let the air settle, close the door, and until you have your kid's health figured out just leave the room and all the belongings in it alone. Either buy the kid new non-chemical treated clothes or thoroughly wash the clothes a couple times with a strong detergent that will likely get most of the flame retardant out of the clothes. You need to take the kid outside, the body can rid thse chemicals, good outdoor air will help, but if the kid keeps going back into the house he is going to keep being exposed. The longer he is outside, the longer he sleeps in a different room with clean air that doesn't have the chemicals kicked around, the more his system will cleanse it out. When he coughs and sneezes, have him avoid his own clothing, do not have him cough into his shirt then touch the shirt, he will cover himself in the chemical he just coughed out.

    These chemicals do not simply have the negative effect of making it hard to breathe. They will disrupt his entire system. Other signs of beign exposed will include, although this will be much harder to tell in a infant and child then an adult. Coughing extremely strongly when trying to eat food, he will viciously cough the food out. I know this is not only a result of flame retardants it could be many things, but it is one of the signs. If the kid is old enough to have a full head of hair you are accustomed to seeing, if his hair starts to thin he is being exposed. The veins in his hands will look more gaunt is he is being exposed, they will be paler and whiter. I know this is hard to tell I'm sorry this is just what I've noticed. I know children's sleepnig patterns are hard to monitor, but if the kid is incredibly fatigued, like sleeping exorbinantly long hours he is being exposed. When I was exposed to flame retardants from a foam matress I bought I could sleep for about 12 hours, go to class for the day, come home and take a four hour nap. One of the tell tale signs of flame retardant exposure will be his lips, if the lips are extremely dry and cracked that is also a symptom.

    April 9, 2012 at 16:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  49. hosch

    Also the best way to get flame retardants off the body is strong bar soap. I have found this to be effective, especially when showering if you use bar soap all over the hair and body you will get the majoirty of it off.

    April 9, 2012 at 16:25 | Report abuse | Reply
  50. hosch

    For vaccinations, getting tons of different vaccinations seems like a bad idea, I'm sure you can create problems from overdoing it, getting a few necessary ones probably is a good idea.

    April 9, 2012 at 16:28 | Report abuse | Reply
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