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Embattled autism study author sues medical journal for defamation
Dr. Andrew Wakefield authored a 1998 study that was retracted by the journal The Lancet.
January 6th, 2012
07:22 PM ET

Embattled autism study author sues medical journal for defamation

A doctor whose research on autism has been discredited by many medical authorities is launching a lawsuit against the British Medical Journal, as well as a freelance journalist and one of the journal's editors.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield is the author of a controversial 1998 autism study and has linked the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to causing autism. In his lawsuit, he alleges that the British Medical Journal (BMJ), and specifically writer Brian Deer and editor Dr. Fiona Godlee, defamed him. They have made "unfair, incorrect, inaccurate and unjust criticisms of findings previously reported by Dr. Wakefield and 12 other co-authors," a petition filed in Travis County, Texas, states.

Wakefield's medical license was taken away in Britain in 2010 after a lengthy investigation into his research on children with autism.

One year ago this week, the British Medical Journal published the first of a series of articles calling Wakefield's controversial research fraudulent. They accused Wakefield of misrepresenting or altering the medical histories of all 12 of the patients involved in the 1998 study. Deer, the author of the articles, said last year he thought Wakefield should face criminal charges.

Wakefield's petition denies that Wakefield fraudulently and intentionally manipulated or falsified data or diagnoses in the study published in the journal Lancet in 1998. Twelve years later, in February 2010, three months before Wakefield lost his licence, the Lancet retracted the 1998 study because they said it became clear parts of the paper were "incorrect."

The petition states that this "malicious publication of the false statements about Dr. Wakefield" continue to cause damages such as "injury to character and reputation, humiliation, injury to feelings, and loss of earning capacity."

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta questioned Wakefield in 2011 - watch here.

Deer told CNN Friday he has not received the petition, although he is aware of its existence. A statement on behalf of Deer and the British Medical Journal defended what had appeared in the journal previously: "While we await formal service, unsurprisingly the BMJ and Mr. Deer stand by the material published in the BMJ and their other statements and confirm that they have instructed lawyers to defend the claim vigorously."

The petition cites interviews Deer did with CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 and CNN's American Morning in 2011 among examples of defamatory statements made by Deer. CNN is not implicated in the petition. It also takes issue with an editorial written by Godlee calling Wakefield's paper "an elaborate fraud."

Wakefield has brought claims and made complaints against Deer, as well as other news outlets, in relation to the Lancet study, but none of these have been successful, the British Medical Journal statement said.

A call to Wakefield's lawyer was not immediately returned.

Wakefield now lives in Austin, Texas, the petition said.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin finds it surprising that Wakefield would launch this lawsuit in the United States instead of Great Britain, because with the freedom of the press, it's harder to win a libel suit of this nature in the U.S.

Related coverage:

Vaccine study's author held related patent, medical journal reports

Probe of early autism-vaccine complaints was limited, report says

Autism Day in the shadow of Wakefield


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  1. c

    I can't believe people are still so blind about the facts surrounding vaccines.
    try reading the CDC pink book,

    goodness vaccines are not saving us from diseases. try reading

    those package inserts before injecting this crap into a baby or child.

    think about the origins of disease and the conditions in which people actually die because of one of these diseases.

    think about the other public health measures in place that control disease, and why did TB practically disappear without a vaccine in the US?

    get a education and realize vaccines are not all that. for example, pertussis has many different strains, do you really think your vaccine covers all strains?

    vaccines have big limitations. and yes they do cause brain swelling. which can cause brain damage, mental retardation, and or autism.

    January 9, 2012 at 12:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Robby

      Yeah because defending yourself against polio is stupid. Do your research dummy.

      January 9, 2012 at 13:16 | Report abuse |
    • Conrad Shull

      Tuberculosis is a bacterial disease and except in certain types of the disease does not lend itself well to vaccine prevention. The vast majority of vaccines are against viral diseases. Most of us (not "c" apparently) want to live in a world without polio or smallpox. And if "c" does not agree those vaccines have not virtually eliminated those diseases in the developed world, "c" needs to shut up – probably about everything.

      January 9, 2012 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
    • LouisianaStudent

      Autism is not caused by vaccines administered to infants. Yes autism rates have increased in recent years. And yes vaccination rates have increased in recent years. To simply connect these two is a very naive idea. Yes there are negative reactions to certain vaccines and the pharmaceutical companies know this. However these negative effects occur in a tiny fraction of the patients administered. The positive effects are profoundly greater in comparison. I assure anyone who withholds vaccinations that the chance of their child dying or being permanently harmed by polio or the measles is far greater than experiencing adverse side effects. On the other topic, while the exact causes of autism are uncertain it is widely understood to be a primarily genetically caused, with an environmental trigger that alters the gene. This environmental factor is probably some little cared about virus that is not otherwise harmful. One could only develop autism if they had both the gene and contracted the virus. It also is most likely that the virus is contracted by pregnant mothers who transmit it to their unborn children.

      January 9, 2012 at 18:30 | Report abuse |
    • Phange

      Strong public health laws for quarantine of TB are more effective than the TB vaccine because TB is an obligate intracellular bacteria. B Cells can't produce effective immunoglobulin against intracellular parasites, thus vaccines are ineff... Oh who am I kidding the anti vaccine mutters don't listen to actual science

      January 10, 2012 at 01:20 | Report abuse |
    • cannabisforautism

      Hello :0)

      Vaccines are great, they don't cause autism at all.

      If you accuse me of being brainwashed then you're not paying attention. I run 'cannabis for autism' on facebook. Brainwashed I am not.

      ta for now! x

      October 25, 2012 at 12:38 | Report abuse |
  2. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Andrew Wakefield never said the MMR causes autism. Dr. Wakefield is a pediatric gastroenterologist. He reported what he was seeing in his patients. He noted that some of his patients were exhibiting moderate to severe colitis and when he talked to the parents about what had been happening prior to the onset he began to notice a pattern: there were several parents who reported that their children had been vaccinated with the MMR vaccine within a relatively short period of time prior to the onset of symptoms of colitis. He also noted his patients who seemed to have the most significant gastrointestinal problems also suffered from developmental delays (neurodevelopmental problems), including autism. Dr. Wakefield did the unthinkable. He took the time to talk to parents and to investigate what might by causing their children's symptoms, rather than acting as a great many physicians do today (thanks to the pressures of managed care), who spend an average of under 3 minutes with the patient, make a quick diagnosis, and simply order a cursory procedure or prescribe medications to manage the symptoms.
    I wonder if anyone in this thread (and I haven't read all of the comments) has actually read Dr. Wakefield's original paper. It seems from the comments I HAVE read, I doubt it.
    Interesting comment by Jeffry Toobin. I was not aware that "freedom of the press" included the freddom to personally attack a professional with false allegations and to pursue a path of targeted harrassment (backed by the makers of the MMR vaccine in question) for the sole purpose of destroying the credibility, livelihood, and reputation of that professional. Doesn't it seem odd that this one doctor has been so relentlessly pursued and crucified, all because he had the gall to report his observations and issue a plea for further resarch into the matter?

    http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

    January 9, 2012 at 12:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jon

      I HAVE read the original journal article. In fact, I have it open on my computer at this very moment. While he does not explicitly state there is a direct causal relationship, he does say that there is an incidence of one thing that directly leads to another. He is making the implication that the MMR vaccine is indirectly responsible. All technicalities of grammatical implications aside, his work was ethically questionable and scientifically erroneous. RETRACTED.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:08 | Report abuse |
    • SallyLu

      From everything I've read, this doctor didn't just observe his patients and report his findings. He changed the facts to suit his "findings" and reported that, which is apparently what you are reading and believing. This is why everyone is going after this man.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:21 | Report abuse |
    • bepatienz

      MarcellaPiperTerry wrote: "Wakefield never said MMR caused autism."

      Wakefield hypothesized that “the widespread use of MMR immunization is a major determinant of the apparent (now substantiated) increase in rates of autism.” [Pediatrics 2001; 107; e84] Of course he never proved that, because he couldn't: it's just not true. When he was offered the opportunity to confirm his preliminary findings (in a study or 150 children to be fully funded by the Royal Free Hospital where Wakefield was, after all, employed as a researcher) he chose to walk away.

      Brian Deer's reporting has revealed that Wakefield selectively edited his data to allow him to support the position that he adopted before he had seen any of the children: that their cases represented a "new syndrome." Although the Lancet children were preselected precisely because their parents associated MMR with the onset of autism, Wakefield chose to suppress that association for three of the eleven children, and thus he dramatically decreased the calculated "interval from exposure [to MMR] to first behavioural symptom." Wakefield included child 5 in his analysis of that interval in the August 1997 draft of his paper, but then removed that data point in the published version. Wakefield noted "autistic spectrum disorder and bowel disorder following MMR" above his signature in the chart of Child 12, but indicated in the paper that their was no "exposure identified by parents or doctor." Wakefield ignored that the mother of Child 9, like the parents of Child 5 and Child 12, clearly indicated that they believed that MMR caused her child's autism.

      Wakefield reported, "Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children . . . " That's not true, and Wakefield clearly knew it. Had he not eliminated three of the eleven children whose parents associated MMR with autism from his calculated "interval from exposure to first behavioural symptom" and had he not further influenced that calculated result by conveniently deciding that a respiratory infection one week following vaccination was a "behavioural symptom" of autism, you would never have heard of Wakefield.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:56 | Report abuse |
    • AutismNewsBeat

      In his June, 1997 patent application, Wakefield wrote:

      "I have found that regressive behavioral disorder (RBD) in children is associated with MMR vaccine."

      He was talking about regressive autism. This was six months before the Lancet published his fraudulent research.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:57 | Report abuse |
    • bepatienz

      BTW, Wakefield is not and never was a "pediatric gastroenterologist." He trained as a surgeon and worked on small intestine and liver transplantation. At the time of the Lancet study Wakefield was employed as a researcher without clinical privileges, so he had no patients.

      January 9, 2012 at 15:28 | Report abuse |
    • dwe44

      Wakefield did not analyze the gut himself. He had a research colleague do that. The colleague reported NO measles in the gut of those children and took his name off of the list of authors prior to publication because he realized that Wakefield was falsifying the data.

      January 9, 2012 at 18:49 | Report abuse |
  3. Sy2502

    He got away easy, he should have gone to jail! Children whose only fault was to be born to a stupid and ignorant parent got sick because of this idiot. He should be held responsible for it.

    January 9, 2012 at 13:06 | Report abuse | Reply
  4. Paulette

    Wakefield's "study" has caused irreparable harm to so many, and he belongs in prison. I feel deeply sorry for those who still buy into his phony theories. MarcellaPiperTerry can post all the links to her own articles she wants. Most of us are intelligent enough to know that just because something's on the Web doesn't make it true.

    January 9, 2012 at 14:00 | Report abuse | Reply
  5. c

    dear robby the only dummy here is you. Polio is still around in the third world, why is that dummy? due to the fact, other public health measures are lacking and vaccines have limitations dummy.

    January 9, 2012 at 14:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      No, you idiot, that isn't why. It's still around because people in those countries REFUSE TO BE VACCINATED.

      You are really ignorant beyond belief. If anyone needs an education, it's you.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:43 | Report abuse |
    • AutismNewsBeat

      C's comment and apparent beliefs are typical for vaccine rejectionists.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:58 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Yes, they are. It's hard to believe there are people this loony.

      January 9, 2012 at 15:58 | Report abuse |
  6. c

    dear conrad, pertussis is bacterial too.

    January 9, 2012 at 14:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      You lack the ability to comprehend what you read, c. He said the "vast majority" of vaccines are for viral diseases, not all of them.

      Dolt.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:47 | Report abuse |
  7. c

    facts are facts, vaccines do and can cause brain swelling which in turn can cause mental retardation and or autism. use at your own risk.

    read the package inserts, visit the government's vaccine injury compensation fund.

    know the conflicts of interest in the vaccine industry. realize automobiles are tested for safety outside of the auto industry, not so with vaccines.

    those studies are flawed and bias and were done by the vaccine industry making them suspect. there is no independent research proving vaccines do not cause autism, being done outside of the vaccine industry.

    vaccines are flawed. if you were to take away all other public health measures and just mandate vaccines only. disease would sky rocket.

    January 9, 2012 at 14:42 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      It's "biased", dufus.

      What a wackaloon.

      January 9, 2012 at 14:45 | Report abuse |
    • AutismNewsBeat

      "there is no independent research proving vaccines do not cause autism, being done outside of the vaccine industry."

      That is not true, C. Try Googling "other countries besides the US". Vaccines have been researched all over the world, by university research teams and others independent of Big Pharma.

      January 9, 2012 at 15:03 | Report abuse |
    • CanadaGuy

      "those studies are flawed and bias and were done by the vaccine industry making them suspect. there is no independent research proving vaccines do not cause autism, being done outside of the vaccine industry."

      How does one go about proving a negative?

      I'm a little confused here. You mean that there exists no funding for an independant study by any of these "pro-death" groups, as I like to refer to them as opposed to "anti-Vax" groups, to prove that vaccines actually cause autism?

      January 12, 2012 at 15:14 | Report abuse |
  8. c

    bzzz try reading, maybe one day someday, you will come across articles which conclude why polio vaccines oral and the injected vaccine will not wipe out polio from the third world.

    you might just find out the truth about the limitations of vaccines and why the current vaccines in use against polio won't wipe out the disease.

    but surely you will remain a sheeple and parrot the lying party line. because some will refuse to open their eyes to the truth vaccines didn't save us.

    January 9, 2012 at 14:50 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      You're a bona fide kook, c.

      Stock up on tin-foil, everyone, c must be hoarding a supply of it.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:00 | Report abuse |
    • CanadaGuy

      Maybe you shoud try reading some day.

      In the early 1900's here in Montreal, the infant mortality rate was at 45%. Almost 1 out of every 2 children would die before the age of 5 years old due to what we call today vaccine-preventable diseases.

      There is currently a measles outbreak going on here in Quebec that can be directly related to people visiting certain parts of Europe where vaccine levels have dropped below the "herd Immunity" level. In large part due to the false information put out by Wakefield.

      As for his lawsuit, it will probably get thrown out in the discovery process as the burden of proof would be for him to show that his study was valid and true and that he did not nhave any alterior motive as well.

      It is so sad when quacks try to use courts to stymie whistleblowers like Brian Deer and co. Barbara Loe Fisher of the "National Vaccine Information Center" tried to sue the good Dr. Paul Offit for saying that she "lies" about him. Well, guess what? That lawsuit was thrown out without merit.

      As far as the real causes of the spread of autism one should really read the twin studies done on children with autism. In fraternal twins the rate of the other twin having autism is anyhwere from 50-60%. Whereas in identical twins it is closer to 90%. When coupled with the fact that identical twins only share about 90% of the exact genetic code, a discrepancy of 10%, the genetic factor plays a huge role in studying autism.

      Try reading, by all means.

      January 12, 2012 at 15:33 | Report abuse |
    • Unfortunate

      "In the early 1900's here in Montreal, the infant mortality rate was at 45%. Almost 1 out of every 2 children would die before the age of 5 years old due to what we call today vaccine-preventable diseases."

      And hygine in the "early" 1900's was not the cause for any of this...

      "There is currently a measles outbreak going on here in Quebec that can be directly related to people visiting certain parts of Europe where vaccine levels have dropped below the "herd Immunity" level. In large part due to the false information put out by Wakefield. "

      You're blaming it on Europe, but if everyone in Montreal has been vaccined, it should not be spreading in Montreal... You should all be immune, right?

      January 12, 2012 at 16:03 | Report abuse |
  9. Katherine

    As I understand it, Wakefield NEVER recommended not vaccinating. He recommended that spacing out the vaccinations might lessen the problems he was seeing in his young patients and the ones he was hearing about from parents. The vaccination protocol for infants and young children was changed in 1989 to load many more vaccinations into a very short amount of time for babies and toddlers. Wakefiield thought there MIGHT be a connection and this might be worth looking into.

    It also might be worth looking into the financial benefits to the drug companies for making these mega and many vaccines. I think the aggressiveness and vitriol of the attacks against Wakefield far exceed what he wrote. It makes me wonder what is really behind them. Nothing he said has changed any medical vaccination protocol. Parents who asked to have vaccinations spaced out or refused them for their children made their own decisions.
    There are plenty of studies around about the benefits of vaccinating and plenty of doctors who support them. Parents do not operate these days in the dark or with only Wakefield's work available to them.

    January 9, 2012 at 14:51 | Report abuse | Reply
    • MarcellaPiperTerry

      Exactly, Katherine.
      Dr. Wakefield never told parents not to vaccinate, and what he was asking for is what good science is based on: further research into the association between MMR and the development of GI disease and autism.

      Contrary to many of the statements above, Dr. Wakefield's observations and findings HAVE been replicated many times. The interesting thing is that his findings have actually been replicated by research that was supported by vaccine makers and which was undertaken for the express purpose of refuting his work.

      In July 2010 I answered a challenge from a former CDC "scientist" who dared anyone to show that Dr. Wakefield might have been correct when he observed and reported that 12 young patients he saw as a pediatric gastroenterologist appeared to have developed severe bowel disease that seemed to be chronologically related to the administration of the MMR vaccine. This report is the result of my response to that challenge. For the record, I am the mother of a vaccine-injured child. I am also the founder of Vaxtruth, a non-profit organization that came into existence over a year after I performed this analysis. I have an M.S. degree in psychology with a dual-track emphasis in both clinical and experimental psychology. I worked as a research assistant throughout my graduate career. I have taught undergraduate classes in statistics. I know research and I know statistics. Anyone who feels this analysis is incorrect or biased is invited to take it to the Ph.D. statistician or psychologist of your choosing for re-analysis.
      http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/5of25/

      January 9, 2012 at 15:59 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Translation of Marcella's post: "Quack quack quack!"

      January 9, 2012 at 16:02 | Report abuse |
    • bepatienz

      "Contrary to many of the statements above, Dr. Wakefield's observations and findings HAVE been replicated many times."

      No.

      Wakefield's paper was of interest because of the interpretation (that was retracted by 10 of his coauthors before the full paper was finally retracted) that read as follows: "Interpretation. We identified associated gastrointestinal disease and developmental regression in a group of previously normal children, which was generally associated in time with possible environmental triggers [meaning MMR]."

      That has not been replicated. That finding is not "replicated" by three published cases of autistic adults who had consulted a doctor for gastrointestinal problems and were found to have gastrointestinal problems, one report from a 2005 conference report that has not been peer reviewed or published as an article, one study looking at over 50 autistic children which does not confirm Wakefield’s findings, and one study by Wakefield's colleagues in a brand-new journal founded by Wakefield and his colleagues–and that's essentially all you've got to back up your claim.

      January 9, 2012 at 23:55 | Report abuse |
    • CanadaGuy

      Andrew Wakefield did implicate the relationship of the MMR vaccine to autism in his application for a patent on a single measles vaccine.

      What about the compensation paid to Andrew Wakefield for "creating" this bogus study. Should we ignore the fact that Wakefield was paid close to $750,000us by the group of lawyers planning to sue the vaccine manufacturers.

      Could that be 2 smoking guns for his motivation to falsify data? Oh, and he did falsify the data.

      January 12, 2012 at 15:00 | Report abuse |
  10. c

    buzz

    vaccines alone without other public health measures in place will not keep disease at bay.

    that is beyond a stupid belief.

    all these diseases which vaccines are in use ,other then smallpox, are still out there stupid, yet vaccines have been in use for how many years now?

    polio, measles, mumps, pertussis, etc none wiped out. yet people are still getting vaccines. vaccines are mandated for school entry. one cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer for injury which includes brain swelling which in turn can cause brain damage and or autism.

    vaccines are seeing a whole lot of r and d. antibiotics are needed more, yet pharma is not really spending r and d there. gotta love that money.

    wish the government would mandate more dangerous consumer products? more vaccines, pharma is working on it.

    January 9, 2012 at 15:05 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Pharmaceutical companies make very little of their profits on vaccines, c.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:33 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Why would you be under the idiotic impression that vaccines will prevent every person who gets them from ever contracting the disease? They don't promise to do that.

      Seatbelts don't prevent every injury in a car accident. Parachutes don't prevent all deaths from sky-diving.

      Vaccines have reduced deaths from communicable diseases and improved the health of the population.

      It's too bad there isn't one for the disease of 'crazy as a bedbug.'

      January 9, 2012 at 16:36 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      How many kids do you know who've had measles since the vaccine became available, c?

      January 9, 2012 at 16:39 | Report abuse |
  11. c

    research into a link between vaccines and autism is funded by industry for industry.

    brain swelling is a known vaccine injury.

    and yes brain injury of this type can cause autism. research in this area is pointless. there is no question vaccines can cause mental retardation so why not autism?

    big pharma certainly understands , just try finding a study not funded by pharma. or with authors not employed by a vaccine company.

    January 9, 2012 at 15:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. AutismNewsBeat

    "there is no question vaccines can cause mental retardation"

    Because the first duty of science is to never question outrageous claims?

    January 9, 2012 at 15:29 | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Fred Evil

    Filed in the science-based TEXAS courts, huh?
    No one else would be dim enough to even listen.

    January 9, 2012 at 16:06 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Bzzz: "quack, quack, quack?"
    If that's the only rebuttal you can come up with, I'll take it.
    What I gather from that is you have nothing more intelligent to say and either won't take the time to read or investigate anything that does not fit your already predetermined paradigm.

    January 9, 2012 at 16:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Why waste my time and effort when I know what you really are-a quack.

      You are peddling your bogus "cure". You are being reported for doing so.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:25 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Your claims have already BEEN refuted, lady-just go back to the your post about VAERS.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:30 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      You also have the facts wrong concerning Wakefield, Marcella. Several posters have already called you on that, too.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:32 | Report abuse |
    • LG

      Paradigm? Very smart word. Clearly someone is completely dismissing their training and any common sense.

      January 10, 2012 at 09:49 | Report abuse |
  15. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Sorry, I didn't finish that last sentence.
    ... either won't take the time to read or investigate anything that does not fit your already predetermined paradigm, or you have no idea how to interpret research and statistics so you act like a 12 year-old.

    January 9, 2012 at 16:25 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      I am pretty good at seeing through frauds.

      January 9, 2012 at 16:26 | Report abuse |
    • Musli

      I have no problem with the cotuny clinics handing out the vaccine to people without insurance in fact, I encourage it. However, when your spokespeople are saying if you have insurance, please don't come to the clinics, go to you doctor when they know damn well that the doctors don't have the vaccine yet, it's their own fault that they get thousands more showing up than they are able to get vaccine for.A couple weeks ago, my son's pediatrician (UCD) told us our best bet would be with the clinics. He didn't know when UCD would be getting the vaccine. I share his anger.On the bright side, no one has driven a car through any of the clinic sites. Yet.

      September 14, 2012 at 01:38 | Report abuse |
  16. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Bzzz wrote: "Vaccines have reduced deaths from communicable diseases and improved the health of the population."
    If this is true, why does the United States rank Number 1 for the number of vaccines administered to children under the age of two years, and for the percentage of children under 2 years who are fully vaccinated, yet when it comes to infant mortality the U.S. ranks 34th among developed nations?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

    January 9, 2012 at 17:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Why would you conclude that infant deaths are being caused by diseases for which infants have been immunized? Apples and oranges, lady.

      Really, how DO you get people to follow you?

      January 9, 2012 at 17:29 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Oh, yeah. I almost forgot: many developed nations calculate infant mortality based on different numbers than the US does, sweetcheeks. How is it you didn't know that?

      January 9, 2012 at 17:31 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Well?

      January 9, 2012 at 17:42 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Silence equals defeat. Thanks for your surrender, honey.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:43 | Report abuse |
  17. JD

    c, the current rate of rubella in the United states is less than 1% of that in 1969 when the rubella vaccine was introduced. In case you didn't know, rubella in pregnant women causes massive permanent brain damage, deafness, and severe mental retardation in her child. Measles cases in the US dropped from 503,282 in 1962 to 89 in 1998. That's 0.02% of the number of cases. Measles encephalitis causes massive brain damage and in some cases permanent coma. There is no treatment for rubella or measles and sanitary measures have no real effect on either of them. The change has come about from vaccines. Rubella and measles have been virtually eliminated in the US and Western Europe. The remaining cases result from ignoramuses like you who refuse to vaccinate their children. There has not been a single case of polio in the western hemisphere in about 20 years. The reason that Polio was not wiped out 10 years ago was because of mullahs in Nigeria, India, and Bangladesh that spread rumors that polio vaccination was a Christian plot to infect Muslims with AIDS. As a result, the progress made in the 1990s was wiped out as polio spread through Africa and South Asia. Most of the rest of the world is either completely or nearly free of polio. Polio causes paralysis of voluntary muscles, including in some cases the muscles used to breath. Many people died of polio before vaccines were introduced.VACCINES SAVE LIVES! You want to go back to the Bad Old Days when there was a polio epidemic every summer that left thousands paralysed and dying?

    January 9, 2012 at 17:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • c

      the problems with vaccines are many, including gaps in research, gaps in knowledge, immunity wanes with time, children react differently. etc etc.

      I dislike vaccine policy, vaccines are being forced upon health care workers, who clearly understand the basics of adverse effects.

      health care workers and moms with college education making over 75,000 a year, are saying NO to Vaccines. smart people.

      we are losing our choice to choose, freedom is part of the American Dream. However , pro vaccine zealots who clearing do not understand the limitations of vaccines, nor can be bothered to read a package insert and those corrupt congressman and senators who have their hands in the wallets of pharma are taking away a parents right to refuse.

      Calif is going to shoot up 12 year old kids with a vaccine without parental permission. this is so wrong on so many levels.

      who is going to step up to take the financial responsibility for adverse effects or the death of some of these children after the shot?

      not the manufacturer, one Can Not Sue a Vaccine maker.

      Vaccines are big profit makers, Safety is not required because one cannot sue. guaranteed market, due to mandates for school entry.

      shot into infants and babies who can't complain about adverse effects.

      Who should call the shots?

      accordingly to vaccine zealots, Parents apparently are not qualified to make vaccine decisions today.
      They don't want parents to have any freedom of choice for their children.

      the question is why?
      considering the facts vaccines have big limitations, another example.

      measles can be transmitted by monkey to child, measles is not going to be wiped out any time soon. Monkeys have no money in which to purchase vaccines.

      January 10, 2012 at 15:02 | Report abuse |
  18. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Bzzz: You said that the thousands of injuries and hundreds of deaths reported to VAERS from Merck's MMR vaccine have been refuted. I actually went back and found my original post, which I will repost here.

    If Merck's MMR vaccine is so safe how come the U.S. Government's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database (maintained by U.S. Department of Health and Human Services [HHS]) lists so many horrific reactions to this particular vaccine?

    854 Life Threatening reactions: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=MMR&VAXMAN=MERCK_
    &_CO._INC.&L_THREAT=Yes

    1,047 reactions resulting in Disability: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=MMR&VAXMAN=MERCK_
    &_CO._INC.&DISABLE=Yes

    284 reactions resulting in DEATH: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=MMR&VAXMAN=MERCK_
    &_CO._INC.&DIED=Yes

    And for the record, you can take these numbers and multiply them by nearly 100 to get an approximation of the true damage done by this one vaccine. The American Medical Association (AMA) estimates that 1.5% of vaccine adverse events are ever reported to the system even though physicians are legally mandated to do so. I would argue that reporting is not really legally mandated since there is no consequence to physicians who fail to report; ergo, it's merely a suggestion.

    I only see two comments in response to this post:
    One that says something about reporting that vaccines turned his/her child into a lemur, and another that makes a reference to the Hulk (I'm assuming the "incredible hulk" and not Hulk Hogan.).
    Is this what you call refuting?

    January 9, 2012 at 17:38 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Do you often have difficulty with reading comprehension? I guess you "missed" the part about the passive reporting, huh?

      January 9, 2012 at 17:39 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      AutismNewsBeat
      Marcella, I can log on to the VAERS website right now and report that MMR turned my daughter into a lemur. It's a passive reporting system., dear. Try again, and read slowly.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:41 | Report abuse |
  19. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Bzzz: I'm not selling anything. You can report me all you want. I make nothing from anything I do that is related to vaccines or "autism."

    January 9, 2012 at 17:39 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Sure thing, sweetcheeks.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:40 | Report abuse |
  20. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Yes. It is a passive reporting system, even though reporting of severe vaccine reactions (which would include death) is supposed to be mandatory. That's why the AMA estimates that less than 2% of serious adverse reactions to vaccines are reported.

    January 9, 2012 at 17:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      And what about those that aren't serious? How many of those are reported by parents looking for a scapegoat?

      January 9, 2012 at 17:56 | Report abuse |
  21. MarcellaPiperTerry

    How old are you, Bzzz? I'm beginning to feel like I overestimated when I said you were behaving like a 12 year-old.

    January 9, 2012 at 17:48 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Poor you. I guess you can't come up with anything to counter what I've posted. I'm not surprised you're desperate.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:49 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      I do think it's pretty funny that you feel compelled to respond to someone who you believe to be a 12-year-old.

      Why are you so threatened?

      January 9, 2012 at 17:55 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Just for fun, can you cite any evidence that you were correct about Wakefield's qualifications?

      bepatienz
      BTW, Wakefield is not and never was a "pediatric gastroenterologist." He trained as a surgeon and worked on small intestine and liver transplantation. At the time of the Lancet study Wakefield was employed as a researcher without clinical privileges, so he had no patients.

      January 9, 2012 at 17:58 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Yeah, I thought not.

      Odd that a "12-year-old" can best a self-proclaimed "medical expert".

      January 9, 2012 at 19:53 | Report abuse |
  22. MarcellaPiperTerry

    Not desperate, just not interested in "coming up with anything to counter" things like "sweetcheeks" and "quack, quack, quack." You don't really appear to have anything intelligent to say so you just hurl insults. That speaks volumes and doesn't really require any "countering."

    January 9, 2012 at 17:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Yet here you are, yet again. If you're so confident of the rightness of your cause, why not just ignore my posts? I won't mind a bit.

      January 9, 2012 at 18:25 | Report abuse |
    • Elvin

      So the Govt should pay me $30,000 a year to prsomie to follow all laws, because if I was locked up for some violation, I would cost the Govt $40,000 a year in prision?Lets stop rewarding poor decisions. Go ahead- BE homeless/jobless, but don't expect anyone to give you anything. Or go ahead and steal that ____, but don't expect a new kidney/teeth/heart while in jail. Lets reward GOOD desicions: Got a full time job? You are first in line for good medical care. You get to pay LESS in taxes because you don't have to support all the able-bodied idiots who CHOOSE to not work. And you get to decide how to spend the money you earn! Ah- what a dreamworld.

      September 14, 2012 at 00:44 | Report abuse |
  23. JD

    c, yes, vaccines do have limitations. A very small fraction of vaccinated people may still be able to contract the disease because their immune systems are inadequate or because they got a mutant strain of the disease that is not affected by the vaccine. Viruses like HIV and influenza mutate very rapidly and so vaccines are not as effective against them. With influenza, the mutation rate is low enough that the vaccines only need to be revised annually. With HIV, the virus mutates significantly even inside a single patient. However, if the coverage of a highly effective vaccine is nearly 100% in a population, the people who do not develop adequate protection from the vaccine are protected by what is called "herd immunity". That means that there are enough people who are immune to the disease that there are very few sick people around to infect the people who do not have a good immune response. Having a large number of vaccine-phobes in a population guarantees that there will always be enough sick people around to infect the vaccinated people whose immune systems don't respond adequately to the vaccine.

    Pertussis is, as you pointed out, a bacterial disease, and the pertussis vaccine is known to be less effective than the vaccines for the viral diseases measles, mumps, polio, and rubella. Immunity from the childhood vaccine generally wears off around age 18 or so. However, with high levels of coverage, it can still prevent most of the outbreaks through herd immunity. There is also a newer pertussis vaccine designed for adults that can provide protection even after the childhood vaccine wears off.

    There is a vaccine against tuberculosis (caused by a mycobacterium, not a virus), only it's got a very low effectiveness. It is so low that it is essentially useless for preventing TB. However, antibiotics have been developed that are responsible for the greatly reduced rates of TB in this country and Western Europe. It is still the leading killer in the world because of the cost of treatment and because in too many countries antibiotic use is unregulated and so underdosing and premature ending of treatment have caused a large number of resistent strains to develop.

    Unless a new vaccine is developed, vaccines will unfortunately not wipe out TB, but there are a large number of diseases, nearly all viral, for which vaccines are VERY effective and should be used. We can still wipe out polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and several other diseases if people vaccinate their children!

    January 9, 2012 at 18:09 | Report abuse | Reply
  24. Lisa

    New American Studies today in February 2011 conducted by a team of doctors at Wake Forest University School in the state of North Carolina studied and tested over 275 children a much larger study than Dr. Wakefield.

    The discovery of the Forest University backs up Dr. Wakefield’s reports of a bowel disease where out of 82 of the children 70 of them tested positive for the measles virus.

    A spokesman Dr. Stephen Walker states that from the results all of the research points to a vaccine strain of the virus (that which is injected into children) not another typical strain of measles found naturally from child to child type introductions.

    The research these doctors undertook, proves that in the intestines of children or the gastro-intestinal tracts of those who have been diagnosed with autism the children were found to have the measles viruses from the vaccine they were given in their gut.

    Read more: http://www.politicolnews.com/new-2011-autism-studies-links-to-mmr-vaccines/#ixzz1j0PyrhkL

    January 9, 2012 at 18:13 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      No, it doesn't.

      January 9, 2012 at 20:00 | Report abuse |
    • brian

      Lisa, that's not true, for several reasons.

      That's a recycled report of an abstract from a poster presented at the 2006 International Meeting for Autism Research. The study remains unpublished, for quite obvious reasons, almost six years later.

      It must have been embarrassing for the authors that their preliminary results were directly contradicted by other work, since published, that was presented at that same meeting; that showed that the assay actually detected human DNA rather than measles RNA. Like the Wakefield work that both groups were trying to replicate, the published work produced apparently positive results in a test for measles virus in a high percentage of the samples from children with autism - but because those samples were shown to be _false_ positives, the authors concluded that there was no evidence of persistent measles virus infection in children with ASD. That is supported by published work from another group that demonstrates that the assay produces false-positive reactions by reacting with human DNA in gut biopsy samples.

      January 10, 2012 at 06:43 | Report abuse |
  25. David's Autism-Daddy

    MMR = ADEM = PDD NOS

    January 9, 2012 at 18:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LouisianaStudent

      ADEM (Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis) = 8 per 1 million
      PDD NOS (Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified) ~ 1 per 100

      Sorry but the incidence rates don't exactly add up, especially if you consider that the number of kids who supposedly get PDD NOS from ADEM should be a portion of those who get ADEM.

      January 9, 2012 at 18:38 | Report abuse |
  26. RM

    Vaccine injury is my concern in this whole thing. I have a child who sustained a vaccine injury. He was actually a preschooler when he sustained his vaccine injury. It was not the MMR, but the DTaP. He was a vibrent, potty trained, quite verbal lil guy, and he had a set of vaccines Dtap and OPV (1990's). He left the office crying, as usual, developed a fever of 105 that evening, went to the ER. When I asked in the ER, I was told this was "normal". Uggggg normal, 105 fever, post vaccine? It was touch and go for the next few days, as the fever persisted for about 3 days. Following the fever, he was significantly different. He had uncontrollable tantrums, his cheeks were always red, he regressed in potty skills(and did not regain them until 6 YEARS OLD), He was severe in the ADHD area, and PT, OT, ST were all of a sudden needed. His day care expelled him (first child ever for that day care). I went to the doctor several times and insisted that his symptoms were post vaccine and it was somehow related to the vaccine. He referred me to a Neurologist, who would not treat my son until the screaming tantrums were under control. I insisted that these were part of the injury. My son, to this day remains significantly delayed. He functions on a Kindergarten level, at 20 years old. Prior to his 3 year old shots, he had no delays...none.....I am convinced that his ordeal started as a result of the DTaP. So are so many other parents. I cant even begin to tell you how many parents have significant issues with children post vaccine. Looking at the current population of children and reports available....It is not hard to tell...science....is all about pharmaceutical sales. I completely agree with every thing you are saying Marcella! Vaccines are like any other drugs.......and we can see from the track records of so many of them, they can come with injury. People'w lives can be significantly altered for life. Increasing the amount of times you take a drug or vaccine also increases the likelyhood of a possible adverse event. We need to start seeing some of these cases as massive adverse events going on...and continuous assault by way of the very aggressive, vaccine schedule. While someone above mentioned that kids need to get all of their shots.....Gonna tell you, after all of these years of dealing with severe disability....I would have rather delt with a case of Pertussis. At least most of those kids.....MOST...recover with out permanant disability. My life is forever changed caring for a severely disabled....now adult....and I cant stand, biggest pet peeve, the "science guys" who have the data...the proof right in front of them, and cant see past these patients or kids...the look at pharma stats...and it is awful. Thank you Marcella for being a voice of vaccine injury.

    January 9, 2012 at 18:41 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LouisianaStudent

      These "science guys" understand the immensely complex mechanisms relating to growth and neural development in children. The data is not nearly as obvious to the trained eye because these doctors and scientists know the hundreds of other factors associated with the data. I'm sorry your son has developmental disabilities. It must be difficult and i'm sure you want to know why. But please understand that in medicine what looks like an obvious correlation may not be at all. You may have preferred your son had contracted pertussis which is relatively harmless in the long run, but diphtheria has a fatality rate of 5-20% and tetanus far worse at higher than 50%. If you study all the statistics and not just those you agree with, you would find that even if the DTaP was the sole cause of your son's disability, the chances of this occurring were far smaller than his chance of death had he not been given the vaccine. Before you vilify modern vaccine practices please look at the alternative and the millions of lives saved by those modern vaccines.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:14 | Report abuse |
  27. LouisianaStudent

    Autism is not caused by vaccines administered to infants. Yes autism rates have increased in recent years. And yes vaccination rates have increased in recent years. To simply connect these two is a very naive idea. Yes there are negative reactions to certain vaccines and the pharmaceutical companies know this. However these negative effects occur in a tiny fraction of the patients administered. The positive effects are profoundly greater in comparison. I assure anyone who withholds vaccinations that the chance of their child dying or being permanently harmed by polio or the measles is far greater than experiencing adverse side effects. On the other topic, while the exact causes of autism are uncertain it is widely understood to be a primarily genetically caused, with an environmental trigger that alters the gene (or more likely a series of genes). This environmental factor is probably some little cared about virus that is not otherwise harmful. One could only develop autism if they had both the gene and contracted the virus. It also is most likely that the virus is contracted by pregnant mothers who transmit it to their unborn children. One of these genes is most likely beneficial to those who are unaffected (heterogeneous) carriers, similar to sickle cell or cystic fibrosis. This would explain the increase in prevalence in the past ~ 50 yrs.

    January 9, 2012 at 18:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Sam

      you still dont getting it. Actually you might never ever get it.

      People are still going to vaccinate. Every one knows that vaccines have side-effects. Vaccines save lives. No one is questioning this.

      All these people want is: Investigate Wakefield claim that autism entercolitis or abnormal immune reactions leading to autism is true or not? that is all. Include Wakefield in the study for him to see by his own eyes if not true.

      But this will not go in your hard head, after all you are just a student. Understandable.

      January 9, 2012 at 23:02 | Report abuse |
  28. Nurse Kay

    As a nurse that has given hundreds of vaccines, I can assure that vaccines have caused many unjuries in children and adults. Why is it that healthcare workers are forced to get flu vaccines? With vaccines being touted as the first and most important weapon in this war on disease, you would think that healthcare workers, the ones on the front line in this war, would be first in line begging for these miracle working vaccines. We are the most educated on disease and the ones at most risk. We are also the ones being forced to take these vaccines because the majority of us will never willingly get them. Even after intense education programs geared towards healthcare workers, incentive programs, making them easily available and such, the majority of us still refuse. We do not want them. We know the risks and are not willing to take them. Every parent should have to get every vaccine that their child is to get before giving consent for their children to get them. VAERS reports would sky rocket. Babies can not voice injury but parents can. One last point, with all the VAERS reports they do have, why is the system still passive reporting? At what point do numerous complaints prompt active surveillance ?

    January 9, 2012 at 18:48 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      You aren't a doctor. I doubt you're even a nurse.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:44 | Report abuse |
  29. Paul

    Anytime you buck the system and threaten their flow of money you will be labeled a nut. You want to find the corruption in the system follow the trail of money. The same people that say vaccines don't damage a child would have you believe the earth is flat and you will sail right over the edge.

    January 9, 2012 at 19:00 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LouisianaStudent

      Drug companies hardly break even on vaccines. And I doubt anyone educated would deny the chance of adverse effects from a vaccine. But it is easy to prove that the positive effects of vaccination far outweigh the negative effects. All drugs have some negative effect but the harm is outweighed by the benefit.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:33 | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      It seems that the vaccines side-effects far outweigh their benefits.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:49 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Go to the Congo and report back, dear.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:55 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      "Follow the money." Have you watched the Penn and Teller series "Bullsh!t"? Go do so. You're the guy in the episode about vaccines, dear.

      January 9, 2012 at 20:35 | Report abuse |
  30. Sam

    Believe it or not. I worked as a consultant for vaccine manufacturer. When the latest vaccine was made, all the top people did not inoculate themselves.

    As for Wakefield, I have little doubt the vaccine has a link.

    I hope some one or some organization who want to actually help these kids comes and researches all this with Wakefield in it so we can go to bed at night peacfully.

    Oh by the way, Sanjay Gupta has a indian blood. These people can be bought with one Rupee. And for Anderson Copper, his statements are one sided and he should just join his brother by jumping the window.

    January 9, 2012 at 19:04 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Bwahahhahhhahhhaaaaaaaaa! OMG. Comedy gold. "Sanjay Gupta has a indian blood. These people can be bought with one Rupee. As for Anderson Copper (sic), his statements are one sided and he should just join his brother by jumping the window."

      "a indian blood"? "Anderson Copper"? "jumping the window"?

      Thanks for proving the bunch of you are wack-jobs.

      January 9, 2012 at 19:47 | Report abuse |
  31. LouisianaStudent

    Please Sam, what vaccine did you consult on? and what was the nature of your consultation?

    January 9, 2012 at 19:21 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. Sam

    If it is not the vaccines then what is it?

    So far for past ten years all we have heard is: Autism is genetic just to find out last year that 38% is genetic and 62%Environmental. So who are these Bozzoo researchers experts: Offit, Snjay Gupta, Eric Fombonne, Seth Mookin

    January 9, 2012 at 19:53 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      So you think that because the cause is yet unknown or undetermined that it "must" be vaccines?

      Are you one of the nuts who think that because we don't know exactly how the universe came to be, it "must" have been God?

      January 9, 2012 at 19:57 | Report abuse |
    • LouisianaStudent

      I ask again Sam, what vaccine did you consult for? And in what capacity was your consultation? It must not have been in a scientific or medical nature. I'm thinking maybe marketing or packaging design.

      And if you would have read my previous posts I clearly stated what the most likely explanation is.

      January 9, 2012 at 20:05 | Report abuse |
  33. Paul

    Bzzzzzzz Mr Clueless could you explain why the 3rd world countries that DON'T give all the vaccines that the USA does have a much lower rate of autistic children??? PS Bzzzzzzzzz weren't you the one that to;ld Columbus he would sail off the edge of the world because it was flat?? Do you have any children and have you ever worked with children??

    January 9, 2012 at 20:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Yes to both your queries about children, Paul. As for the "lower autism rates", are you unaware that most of the children in such countries never attend school? Are never seen by doctors on a regular basis? Are not likely to live long enough to BE diagnosed, even IF their parents were aware that something was wrong and knew enough to have a doctor (were there any available) diagnose such a problem?

      January 9, 2012 at 20:33 | Report abuse |
  34. Paul

    Wonder why the Government set this up if Vaccines DON'T cause damage??????????? Vaccine Compensation Law: The U.S. Court of Claims is located ...
    http://www.kh-law.net/blog/2011/12/court-claims-located-washington-dc-travel-washi...

    Dec 9, 2011 ... VICP (The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program) was established in 1986 to help compensate vaccine recipients and their families ...

    January 9, 2012 at 20:25 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      I already explained the reason. If you can't read, I don't know what to tell you.

      January 9, 2012 at 20:30 | Report abuse |
  35. John

    Bzzz: Having read all these posts and your responses that in truth are just personal attacks into cyberspace, you discredit yourself. Your attacks are emotionally based and lack depth. If you were to just scratch the surface and go about your life and meet some of these parents and ask them - what happened to your son or daughter. You would begin to hear over and over again similar stories as the one posted above. Families who with their own eyes saw regression happen. If it were only a few then this controversy would not be here. Perhaps it is worth spending your time with autism parents- they come from all walks of life, they are from every background. Open up your heart, volunteer, support autism research even if you continue to disagree with the vaccine theory. There are families and communities that need compassion and a more dignified approach to solving the autism puzzle.

    January 9, 2012 at 20:41 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bzzz

      Boo hoo. I don't care if I "discredit" myself by pointing out the ridiculous nonsense antivax nuts post. Don't like it? Don't read it. I'm not inclined to pander to people who are delusional. If you choose to remain so, it's not my problem. But I won't pretend you are anything but crazy.

      January 9, 2012 at 22:20 | Report abuse |
    • Bzzz

      Oh, here's a news flash for ya, Johnny: I DO know children who have autism. Quite well, in fact. I have known a number of them and been pretty well acquainted with their challenges.

      None of them are nutty enough to blame vaccines. They know that is a dead end. I hope you figure it out soon, too.

      January 9, 2012 at 22:23 | Report abuse |
    • LouisianaStudent

      I have spent time with autism parents and with autistic children. I don't find enough evidence for regression. I'm sorry but biased parents observations are not enough to make a judgement from in the eyes of the scientific community. I am all for finding a solution to the autism puzzle but the vaccine theory is beating a horse that died years ago. I'm afraid too many parents are frustrated and looking to put the blame on someone or something.

      January 10, 2012 at 00:20 | Report abuse |
  36. Sam

    Absolutly disgusting.

    They still have not fulfilled these poor parents desire and request. Investigate what Wakefield proposes. How hard is that? Show these parents if they are wrong. You big medical establishement, you could include Wakefield himself in this study? Prove him he is wrong? Once for all.

    But they will never do such a protocol to study, you know why?: because, Wakefield could be quite right!!!

    The study would not even be expensive. Hell, guarantee Anderson could even fund it! After all, he is the one calling Wakefield a liar on his show. Who is he: A judge? What if all other news anchor start to proclaim what is right and what is wrong, who is saying the truth and who is lying.a Oh oh cnn is in hands of Murdochs. Ok forgive me, you can do and say what you want.

    January 9, 2012 at 22:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LouisianaStudent

      The vast majority of medical professionals think that Wakefield was a fraud and performed a rigged study. That's why A. Cooper calls him a liar. If he wanted respect from the scientific community maybe he should have followed the rules. No one is going to fund a study solely to disprove his claims when hundreds of other studies have done so already. I'm sorry if these parents aren't happy but they need to quit trying to blame their child's condition on something or someone.

      January 10, 2012 at 00:11 | Report abuse |
    • bepatienz

      "Investigate what Wakefield proposes. How hard is that?"

      Apparently, it was too difficult for Wakefield. When offered the time, salary, and staff support to further investigate what he proposed in an attempt to replicate his preliminary findings in a much larger study of 150 children at the Royal Free Hospital where he was employed as a researcher, Wakefield declined.

      Perhaps Wakefield knew only too well what further investigation would reveal.

      The authors of a blinded study which was the only published attempt to replicate Wakefield's findings of an association of MMR vaccination with the onset of both bowel problems and ASD concluded: "The work reported here eliminates the remaining support for the hypothesis that autism with GI complaints is related to MMR vaccine exposure. We found no relationship between the timing of MMR vaccine and the onset of either GI complaints or autism." [PLoS One. 2008 Sep 4;3(9):e3140]

      January 10, 2012 at 11:59 | Report abuse |
  37. common sense

    For those of you still claiming vaccines cause autism...clearly you DONT do any research, because if you had, you would know that we know for a fact that autism is congenital issue...meaning it begins in utero. Children with autism have a much more dense frontal cortex then non autistic children and they are like that at birth. Vaccinate your kids if you want whats best for them. I've traveled to many countries, many of them developing and I have seen with my own eyes what it means to not have access to vaccines that we take for granted over here.

    January 10, 2012 at 01:23 | Report abuse | Reply
    • jon

      So common sense how does you fallacious theory explain all the perfectly healthy kids that then get a vaccine and develop autism. If autism happened only in utero then they would have been autistic to start with. It would seem you haven't done basic research or ever talked to a family with an autistic child.

      May 1, 2012 at 11:46 | Report abuse |
  38. Missbeth

    my great great great aunt had polio as a child. She lived a long life, but with a crippled leg. She had to depend on others her whole life (rememeber this was the ealy 1900's, there were not medical aids and rehabilitations that we have now). She was in a wheel chair by the time she was an adult. If she was still alive today she would tell you to get your children vaccinated. No one wants a child to live like this because they were worried about a shot in the leg (or is it the drink now? I don't know what kids get these days).
    If our young men were becoming sterile because of mumps, if our kids were dieing because of these viruses, we would be clamoring for doctors to DO something.
    Right now we dont KNOW why kids have autism. Is it our diet? Water? Polution? Vaccinatins have been studdied again again the results point away from them.

    January 10, 2012 at 11:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • jon

      The polio vaccine increased the incidence of polio and did nothing to prevent polio. This is the fear factor playing into vaccine marketing strategy. People get hit struck by lightning too but a lightning vaccine isn't going to prevent that. You have to read actual medical studies and look at actual disease statistics, there you will find the vaccine damages your immune system and leaves you more susceptible to disease just as the smallpox vaccine did which killed so many people (higher rates of smallpox deaths in the vaccinated than unvacccinated).

      May 1, 2012 at 11:45 | Report abuse |
  39. Paul

    NO common sense and Bzzzz boy, are the two of you related or are both of you just cluelessly goose stepping to the beat of the Government drum?? {Bzzz Boo hoo. I don't care ) Yes we can see that lets hope you never have children.
    I wonder what you would say to these parents??????

    Nicole and Justin Matten of Barton have lived every parent’s worst nightmare. On December 2 their 7-year-old daughter, Kaylynne, visited her physician for an annual checkup. She got a flu shot. The next day, she developed a bad headache and fever. On December 6, the normally happy and healthy girl, who had no previous history of chronic health problems or adverse reactions to vaccines, turned blue, stopped breathing and died in her mother’s arms.
    Flu Shot or Not? State Health Officials Warn Against "Alarmist" Reaction to Young Girl's Death | Sev
    http://www.7dvt.com
    Seven Days | Vermont's Independent Voice
    http://www.7dvt.com
    Vermont's Independent Voice

    OH THATS RIGHT YOU DON'T CARE!

    January 13, 2012 at 00:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  40. Concerned human

    I've never had a flu shot, will never get one, and I only had the flu once. Several people I know had flu shots, and soon came down with the flu. I know of several cases of vaccination injuries..

    After reading many of these posts, I think the doctor who linked autism to vaccinations, is probably a sainted individual, brave enough to buck "big pharma" (vaccine manufacturers), and brave enough to buck the "wearing blinders" medical establishment.

    One of my previous doctors warned me of bad side effects of vaccinations.

    Another doctor told me that many doctors he knows, don't let their own children get vaccinated, but they keep quiet about this, for fear of being labeled a "kook" by the AMA (American Medical Association).

    Marcella (VaxTruth) is very knowledgable! I also respect NVIC (National Vaccination Information Center).

    Many pro-vaccination people would like us to believe that if someone gets hit by a car, and dies, that the car didn't kill the person–it was merely a coincidence, and that the person certainly died due to other causes. They use the same kind of flawed thinking, to convince themselves that bad side effects of vaccines (like death) are not side effects of vaccines at all.

    There are many causes of autism, not just vaccinations. Toxic chemicals can also cause autism, for example.

    Polio disappeared in England, before there were mass vaccinations for it, there! Why? Better hygiene.

    I am against forced vaccinations, just like I'm against forced medications of any kind.

    I used to be for vaccinations, when I was younger and ignorant. I know better now. Hopefully more parents will think twice about injecting their children with disease causing vaccines that the child might never have come in contact with.

    February 3, 2012 at 04:25 | Report abuse | Reply
  41. jon

    Are all the commenters on here really this brainwashed? Has no one ever investigated vaccines and vaccine statistics? I'm talking about reading actual medical studies, not listening to the pharma media complex. The insistence of so many people saying that vaccines prevent disease is astounding when they can't find a single shred of proof backing that up. No wonder autism, autoimmune disease, alzheimer's and so many other vaccine caused diseases are shooting through the roof, the majority of the world is too foolish to think with their brain and do a little research.

    May 1, 2012 at 11:39 | Report abuse | Reply
  42. Kelitaph

    At least you can kiss a homeless peorsn with the confidence of knowing that he/she/it has gotten its vaccination. Loves n Fishes gets 1000 doses, and my kid's doctor still doesn't have any shots???Lets assume for a moment that the vaccine is safe and it works. Lets also assume that this flu knocks you on your ass for 3 weeks, if not actually killing you. Who should really be getting the vaccine? I don't see any justification for the homeless getting it over ANYONE with private health insurance. Or is this yet another reason why being a working Joe is stupid, compared to just going on welfare?

    September 14, 2012 at 01:43 | Report abuse | Reply
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