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October 27th, 2011
04:57 PM ET
Measles cases at 15 year high in U.S.There have been 220 cases of measles so far this year in the United States, more than triple the usual 60 to 70 cases per year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Europe had more than 26,000 cases reported from January through July of this year, with nine deaths, according to the World Health Organization. So far, no deaths have been reported in the United States this year. The CDC found of the 220 reported U.S. cases 87% of the people infected didn't get the vaccine, while the other 13% were too young to get it. Most of these cases were people who traveled overseas to Western Europe, Africa or Asia. Even though 91.5% of the U.S. population is immunized, those who are not, are putting themselves and others at risk, says Patsy Stinchfield Director of the Infection Disease Department at Children's Hospital and Clinics of Minnesota. Two-doses of the measles vaccine is estimated to be 98-99% effective at preventing the disease and provide lifelong immunity. For those who are unvaccinated and exposed to measles, they can be expected to get measles at a rate on the order of 90% or higher, according to the CDC. Some adults are not vaccinated by choice or because they don't realize they haven't been vaccinated. When it comes to teens and children, 72% aren't immunized because of their parents religious beliefs or personal reasons, according to the CDC. What parents don't realize is that "measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children," says Stinchfield and she adds that measles can be misinterpreted as simply a bad case of the flu. Children can suffer the consequences of severe measles infection for years before they die from the disease. Brain inflammation and neurological problems are far more likely if a child gets measles disease. Encephalitis or inflammation of the brain can lead to permanent neurological problems. To vaccinate against measles is far safer than declining or delaying MMR vaccine, says Stinchfield . One in 1,000 cases of measles disease causes encephalitis in children and one in one million doses of measles, mumps rubella vaccine causes brain inflammation, according to the CDC. Staying current with vaccines is the first line of defense against measles. The recommended age for the first dose of the measles vaccine is around 12 months and the second dose is recommended between the ages of 4 and 6, according to the CDC. The CDC recommends that if babies between 6 and 12 months of age are traveling to areas of the world with known measles outbreaks, they should go ahead and get the first dose of the vaccine about a month before travel is set to begin. This will allow the baby's body enough time to build up protective antibodies. The CDC says if an infant gets the measles vaccine before the recommended age of 1, they will still need 2 more doses of the vaccine. For those who can't remember if and when they were vaccinated it's important to talk with a doctor, especially before traveling internationally. Initial symptoms of measles often appear like any other childhood illness, for example; fever, runny nose, bloodshot eyes, and tiny white spots on the inside of the mouth. Then the rash typically associated with measles develops – usually starting on the face and neck and then spreads downward to the rest of the body. Measles spreads very easily. "It's contagious the 4 days leading up to the rash, the day the rash appears and 4 days afterwards," says Stinchfield. Contact a doctor as soon as symptoms appear. |
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Those people who think vaccines prevent disease have been brainwashed. There is no connection between vaccines and the drop in cases of polio, measles or any other disease. Sanitation and cleaning up the food supply prevented polio. Statistics were fudged and outright lies were told about polio.Childhood diseases like measles are 99 per cent harmless. Polio is 99 per cent harmless.The long term effects of vaccines have never been studied. There are more cases of autism, ADD, and other neurological diseases than ever in the past. Vaccines are responsible for brain damage. Stop fooling yourself and do some research.
Wrong. More nonsense from another kook.
Every single claim you made has been thoroughly and completely debunked.
From antiantivaxflurf: Many opponents of the MMR will claim that the diseases prevented are mild and not dangerous. This is not the case, as can be seen in numerous outbreaks around the world. Measles can lead to encephalitis (swelling of the brain) in about 1 of every 1,000 individuals, possibly leading to death. Mumps can lead to sterility in adult men, swollen ovaries or breasts in adult women and miscarriage in pregnant women, as well as encephalitis. Rubella (German measles) can cause encephalitis, as well as birth defects if contracted by a pregnant woman. There is also some evidence to suggest that infection with rubella while pregnant is the cause of some cases of autism. While the majority of individuals who contract measles, mumps or rubella will survive with little or no lasting ill effects, there is still a significant risk of permanent injury or death. The MMR vaccine can help to greatly reduce the risk of not only contracting the illnesses, and thereby reducing the risk of serious complications, but also to reduce the risk of passing the diseases on to others.
Same site: Here are two studies (out of many) showing the efficacy of just the 7-valent pneumococcal vaccine:
Immunization with the 7-valent conjugate pneumococcal vaccine: Impact evaluation, continuing surveillance and future perspectives. Angela Bechini, Sara Boccalini, Paolo Bonanni. Vaccine, Volume 27, Issues 25-26, Vaccines, Immunisation and Immunotherapy, Sixth World Congress of Vaccines, Immunisation and Immunotherapy, 26 May 2009, Pages 3285-3290
Indirect Effect of 7-Valent Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine on Pneumococcal Colonization among Unvaccinated Household Members. Eugene V. Millar, James P. Watt, Melinda A. Bronsdon, Jean Dallas, Raymond Reid, Mathuram Santosham, and Katherine L. O’Brien Clinical Infectious Diseases 2008 47:8, 989-996
Another poster, iminim, wrote this: iminim
By all means don't give vaccines 100% of the credit for wiping out these diseases. They aren't wiped out at all. They are kept at bay by a large population of vaccinated people who are immune & unable to spread them. These vaccine preventable diseases, with the exception of small pox, are still present in countries that don't/can't routinely vaccinate. Given a big enough population of susceptible people, they will return to the US as well. Yes public sanitation methods have helped decrease the potential for spread of some diseases, but those that are spread by droplets in the air (similar to the way flu spreads) are not stopped by usual public sanitation methods like sewage management & treatment.
Hollybush, did your mental problems occur before you were dropped on your head or after?
This has to be the stupidest thing I've read anywhere all day.
Holly, I say this with all sincerity and concern. You are an idiot. Get a clue. Get an education. Get a freakin' brain cell.
Please don't ever have any kids.
I encourage everyone to read the package inserts for vaccines. Quite humbling
Maybe you should stop attempting to impersonate an intelligent person, GaPeach. You're failing.
When your child dies from a disease that could have been prevented. I wont say we told you so...because you'll know by then.
Unfortunately, Hollybush won't be able to sue anyone for her loss. And I doubt it would do the parents of kids hers infected any good to sue her-she's probably living in a trailer with a bazillion cats.
Really, Tom? I'm unintelligent because I can read the vaccine inserts myself. That makes me unintelligent somehow? Yeah!
No, you moron, you're unintelligent. Period. You can read the inserts all you want, but you aren't a doctor; you're not even close to being a "medical professional". You can't even begin to understand what you're reading or how to interpret it.
You're an irresponsible dolt. Shut up and go away. You are doing more harm than good.
Wow Tom Tom, I haven't head that much name calling since my daughter was 5. You sure are making yourself to be the intelligent one. I'll just shut up now and let you bury yourself.
GaPeach, you are simply wrong. Vaccines prevent illness and death for millions of children. People like you, who spread falsehoods and misinformation, endanger the health of everyone in this country.
The idiot says, "I'll shut up now." Best piece of news I've heard since the stock market closed up on Friday.
You do that. Public health will be all the better for your silence.
No Just, I'm "just" willing to see both sides of the story, unlike others.
Then you're delusional. Vaccinations save lives. There IS no "other side", you muttonhead.
Ha ha. Thanks for the good laugh. Oh, wait? You were serious? Well, then, that's another story.
Feel free to die, and watch your children die, from disease that are easily and cheaply preventable, then. At least it will remove some of the stupid from general circulation.
Good job Holly! I am so glad there are people lie you informing these people who aren't affected yet. Spread the word & educate them! There are religious exemption forms out there that you can download and notarize, and you wont be subject to their mercury(thimerisol), formaldehyde, and lead that are in them, by not vaccinating at all. They gave my son nine immunizations in one day, and he is seven with severe autism and cant speak. His brother is autistic too, the same thing happened after the fever following the MMR & other shots. The mercury gets absorbed into the lipids in the brain, and damages the neurons and their pathways, so the brain does not work properly. He used to speak before the shots. ~Autism Awareness day 04/04/12
I would like to offer some advise, just because I don't see anyone else saying this.....
If you are a concerned wife considering having a child you may wish to consider the following tests:
Request a blood mercury test from your physician before becoming pregnant. Women with a high blood mercury level who are planning to start a family may decide to postpone pregnancy for a few months until levels drop; often this occurs over a three to six month time. Also, please read: Information About Mercury in Fish
Request an immune system test for your child before all vaccinations. This can help you and your doctor decide wheather it is safe to give your baby all the vaccines....or give them at a later date after another immune system test.
I would like to see this done more often, and the results tracked globally..
Mito testing isn't a bad idea either. Mitochondrial testing used to require a muscle biopsy, but they've recently developed a method of testing which uses cheek swabs. Obviously less invasive and less expensive.
Oh, brother. As if you have any credibility left, Peachy.
Look it up yourself then Just. Or better yet, find some Harvard-trained physicians to talk to about it who are experts in the field.
Here's a link for you: http://www.mitoaction.org/blog/muscle-biopsy-testing-mitochondrial-disease
Gee, what a threat. You just go ahead and do that, dumbazz. Be sure they use their real names and tell us the hospitals with which they're affiliated. Why don't you do the same, while you're at it, you fraud?
Tom Tom, you are someone who refuses to look at both sides. You're a troll.
There isn't another "side", you nitwit. The only idiots who think vaccines do more harm than good are a bunch of idiot. And you are among them.
There's no reason to look at another side when that side is nothing more than the ramblings of some moronic dufus like you.
Really Tom Tom? All of my children are fully vaccinated. But, there are two sides to every story. Not everyone who doesn't vax is a follower of the church of Jenny McCarthy. Get your head out of your rear.
Is that where you keep your noggin, dear? Sure seems like it. You know, I never mentioned Jenny McCarthy in any of my posts, but you've done so many times. What's that say about you and your mumbo-jumbo?
You aren't a medical professional. You're a fraud.
Think what you like Tom Tom. I won't lose any sleep, I assure you.
I have no doubt. People like you, who endanger others by spreading lies and pretending to be knowledgeable, seldom do.
Millions of illegal immigrants flooding in to the US without vaccinations. Their kids go to the same schools as your kids.
What do you expect?
Most if not all public schools require any student who enrolls to have immunizations.
Sorry if I spoiled your scapegoating.
There are some seriously stupid and/or crazy people on this forum. Vaccine did not eradicate polio?
Some of you must be of the opinion that the moon landing was faked and that there was another shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas and that there are alien corpses in Roswell, NM.
Whack-baskets.
Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son
Polio is still found in the world, so polio still exists, just not much in the U.S., just google "does polio still exist", so what are you saying Tom, Tom?
Of course it still exists. What kind of idiot are you? It exists in countries in which people refuse to be vaccinated because they believe the vaccine causes sterility-for example, the Congo.
Dreamer, you seem like a nice person, but you're so wrapped up in conspiracy theories and in looking to place blame on someone, anyone for your child's autism that you will glom onto any possible culprit.
Anyone who says he feels like his child was "murdered" because he has autism needs serious help.
Get some.
Tom, Tom,
I was just informed it appears the last case of polio in the U.S. was in 1979, so yes in the U.S. polio is stopped, but not in the world, polio still found in Africa, parts of Asia, maybe more places, and with illegals and other people coming into the U.S. all the time..well we could have a case in the future..
Of course we could. What is your point? Do you even know? Polio still exists in countries where people who don't know any better refuse to be vaccinated. Sound familiar?
The same thing could happen here with any preventable disease if the anti-vax crazies like Hollybush succeed in convincing enough people that diseases like polio are "99% harmless" and that vaccines don't prevent disease.
I never said I felt that way about my child, I love my son, he does have a form of autism, I was talking about severe Autism, it is a normal reaction for parents when their child is suddenly handicapped to think of what they might have been able to do in life, it is the loss of the child's other possible future that might have been, that other possible future was murdered...Dealing with this loss of the other possible future life is part of the healing process...and was in response to a poster that was talking about her grandmother lost child...and saying lots of nasty things about people that don't trust vaccines...
Then I withdraw my comment and apologize.
Nonetheless, you seem intent on finding someone to blame for autism. Vaccines are not the culprit.
Again, what is your point regarding polio?
Tom, Tom,
Google congressman Burton Autism sometime..
I would like to see positive steps made in reducing Autism in the World so..
If you are a concerned wife considering having a child you may wish to consider the following tests:
Request a blood mercury test from your physician before becoming pregnant. Women with a high blood mercury level who are planning to start a family may decide to postpone pregnancy for a few months until levels drop; often this occurs over a three to six month time. Also, please read: Information About Mercury in Fish
Request an immune system test for your child before all vaccinations. This can help you and your doctor decide wheather it is safe to give your baby all the vaccines....or give them at a later date after another immune system test.
I would like to see this done more often, and the results tracked globally..
So you're not going to answer the question? Thanks for playing.
I went back and read your comments; the poster you responded to was Elizabeth. She wasn't "nasty". She was accurate and honest.
I am sure you have only the best of intentions, but posting falsehoods about vaccines is not doing anyone any good.
What a surprise – polio is still found in all the areas of the world where vaccination is scarce or non-existent. And your point again was...?
I think you already cover my point about polio...that is still exists in the world, and you were right, no polio in U.S. nothing since 1979...Our posts are passing each other so that is confusing the conversation, and we are both passionate about our arguments...
You haven't MADE a point about polio. What did you want to say about it?
Polio was eradicated here because of vaccines (regardless of what Hollybush the nut says). In the Congo and other developing countries where the vaccine has not been widely administered, it is a horrible disease. It certainly isn't "99% harmless" as the idiot Hollybushbrain would have others believe.
While it might be unlikely polio will haunt the US again, the anti-vax nuts, if they were to convince enough gullible dopes of their beliefs, could end up causing devastating outbreaks of diseases that can kill and maim children and are completely preventable.
Is that what you want?
Tom, Tom
I made my point about polio,..that is still exists in the world, and you were right, no polio in U.S. nothing since 1979...
and
No of course I don't want devastating outbreaks of diseases that can kill and maim children, I also don't want severe cases of autism that also maim children and rob them of the use of their arms and legs, being able to talk, over 600,000 with some form of autism in the U.S. and climbing too, some very severe autism, fastest growing neurological disorder in the world. Why are you not upset about that, it is real, happening right now, not some possibility in the future, and autism too, I think, is probably perventable too, since it only began to climb in 1985.
Of course, it's devastating that autism affects so many children.
Vaccines have nothing to do with it. NOTHING.
That's why it's irrelevant to this discussion.
There is no link between vaccination and autism. This has been definitively proven by countless studies. Only idiots still believe this.
Vaccinations aren't without risk, but the risks of not vaccinating are higher than the risks of the vaccinations. Parents today have never seen children suffer from these childhood diseases that we routinely vaccinate for, so they discount the importance of having their children vaccinated. Vaccinate your kids!
Yes, I did just use some variation of the word "vaccine" six times in one comment! lol
Good. Maybe it'll sink in for the dense ones...
Watch just 30 seconds of a father around 2:00AM and later and his son coughing and not both of them getting much sleep because of this particular cough and you (emotionally) want to vaccinate every child you come across your path. Pertussis or Whopping Cough.
More poignant: take a stroll through an older cemetery, and note the vast number of very small graves that were so common prior to childhood vaccination campaigns.
Autism is skyrocking in part for similar reasons to why ADD skyrocked. Prior to the dates people commonly list as skyrocketing the disorder did not have a name or was diagnosed as something else. Rates of diagnoses are easy to manipulate because of this often causing people to panic and be more fearful than is needed. Also, childhood mortality is down because of vaccines and a lot of children who two or three hundred years ago might have been wiped out by smallpox or measles earlier in life grow older and get diagnosed with other diseases making comparisons harder still.
Thank you for being a sane voice in the midst of all this! I was appalled at the ilttle I've read so far about the case, and even more so thinking about how it's going to be twisted. My uncle had polio, and I wouldn't wish any of the complications of these diseases on anyone. I had measles, chicken pox, and mumps growing up, but there were no vaccines. Now that there are, the results of an outbreak in an un-vaccinated population can be devastating – just look what happens at Christian Science schools every few years when they have a measles outbreak.My son is on the spectrum, and it has NOTHING to do with vaccines.
As a pediatrician, having seen a previously healthy child with meningitis suffer neurologic deficits; a previously healthy child with chicken pox suffer necrotizing fasciitis (if you don't know what that is, google images of it–is really terrible); and previously healthy infants experiencing apnea because of pertussis, I am an obvious proponent of vaccination. But as a parent, I also understand the fears and confusion the anti-vaccine vitriol has created. Unfortunately, the "studies" cited by the anti-vaccine crowd are not well done scientific studies published in peer-reviewed journals. The MMR/autism link has been debunked several times, and a posting on my blog (http://drrubinblog.com) includes a link to a website which shows a nice summary of the studies that have shown no association between autism and vaccines.
drrubin
So you have so much faith in the medical experts...
The one's that failed the U.S. soldiers with Agent Orange contamination, and Gulf War Syndrome victums for years with their worthless research that kept saying their was not link...
That's the problem, once a group of medical experts do that kind of thing to soldiers, they no longer believe anything the medical experts say, and neither do the soldier's families and friends...
Dream96,
He *is* a medical expert. Unlike yourself, drrubin is an *actual* doctor who deal with the repercussions of misinformation on a professional level.
This is someone who you should listen too. Take off the tinfoil hat, log off from the conspiracy sites and have an actual open mind.
You are right, Dreamer96—researchers have not always found the right answers and sadly, have not always been ethical (one need only think of the Tuskegee syphilis studies). That is why it is important for medical professionals to critically examine the scientific studies out there (looking for sound research methods, carefully examining the results, and making sure peer review has occurred) and important for patients to choose healthcare providers they trust to do so.
Vaccines are mandated for school, there are exemptions, thankfully.
Certain vaccines carry a risk of death and or severe brain injury.
There are risks when getting a disease, that is a part of life, which I can live with.
Vaccines carry risks too, with no guarantee or warranty. Getting a vaccine does not mean one will not get the disease the vaccine protects against. Children and infants have died, they have also become permanently injured after getting a vaccine.
Vaccines are mandated consumer products and are not researched for safety outside of the industry. Huge red flag there.
Read those package inserts before injecting a vaccine into your infant or child.
Who reads them for you, you illiterate dolt?
your website is garbage. It said nothing about vaccines that I could see. Vaccines are not safe, my kids are damaged from them. Anyone who claims they are good should talk to my friend who collapsed to the ground ten minutes after getting the H1N1 and the flu shot, and couldn't walk and almost died of mercury poisoning?? The chances are greater that you will be damaged from the vaccine than you would be to catch the disease.
Most pediatricians are supporters of the agenda. You get kick-back from big-pharma. Merk & Mercury are your buddies. Of course it's in your best interests and you would find a way -just like that which you said, you will lie to yourself to say that it is doing more good than harm. Yes few suffer from the diseases, and they die sometimes too, and it's awful but we mostly have it under control with sanitation that didn't exist when these diseases were flaring a century or more ago. Though the numbers of vaccine-related injuries/deaths far outnumber the diseases. You are probably one of those quacks who says MERCURY is GOOD. huh?
Measles may be hitting infants, due to the fact mom is not naturally immune and therefore not passing on immunity to the unborn infant before birth.
No disease is preventable by vaccines, due to the fact, vaccine immunity wanes overtime and vaccines do fail to protect.
They are not 100% effective.
The nut balls in favor of vaccines, can have our family's share.
RIght, sure thing. I'll certainly take the word of some moron who can't figure out how to punctuate a sentence.
Idiot.
So, c, you admit that vaccines DO indeed confer immunity? You must, as you claim their "immunity wanes" over time. Therefore, you obviously agree that the DO provide immunity.
Thanks for playing.
tom
your an idiot.
Uh-huh. It's "you're", short-bus rider.
I gave you a d earlier in the thread, c, but since you've continued to post inanity and can't even manage to figure out why your posts are so stupid, I'm lowering your grade.
Go back to school and try to stay awake in biology this time, you git.
I had mumps and chickenpox when I was young. My wife's great grandmother went blind because of a measles infection. My librarian in grade school had perminent neurologic sequlae from polio as a child. I have seen teenagers die of meningiitis in the past of which now there is a vaccine. I am thankful that vaccines have been developed and continue to be developed so my children will have not have the risk of developing any of these diseases now or in the future. I can only hope that in the future vaccines will be developed for malaria and HIV.
Most sensible post in the last 12 hours.
Of course vaccines have improved health and quality of life. Only idiots like c would be so delusional as to believe otherwise.
Well more proof vaccines don't work. From CJAD Health News.........The discovery that 52 of the 98 teens who caught measles were fully vaccinated came as a shock to the researchers who conducted the investigation ... If other groups confirm what the Quebec investigation found, it could mean there is a lot more susceptibility to measles in the vaccinated population than is currently being assumed”.
Umm, you might be jumping the gun, dear. There hasn't been any confirmation that this is the case, so it's hardly "proof". Nice try, ding-dong.
My Mother was an RN at a VA Hostiptal giving Radium treatments to soldiers with cancer awhile she was pregnant with her first child, the doctors all knew she was pregnant and handling the Radium...Her baby was born baddly reformed and died shortly after birth, two U.S. government men came and asked if they could have her baby to study for the effects of radiation on her baby..she gave her baby to them...this was before 1951.....They did not know the true effects of Radium...
My mother always trusted doctors, being a RN, but many times they made mistakes with her treatment, onejust two weeks before she had a very bad stroke, a clog, she voluntiered for a medical test about her artifical heart valve, she was a really case, and was given morphine, even though it was clearly marked all over her records that she had a bad reaction to morphine and could not take it....the doctor, and nurses, either never read her records, or were grossly incompetent...
Doctors and Nurses make mistakes, but All Nurses usually have to sign "oaths of silents for Mal-Practice", not to give evidence against the Doctors, or Hospitals, or Clinics, they work with, or for, as part of getting their job, and can lose their RN endosement if they do talk...Why?
If they want people to trust vaccines, they have to find a way to regain the parents trust....Austim is rising world wide, and few things are common to these cases, except the vaccines.....
Dreamer, you really need to get better sources of information than anecdotal accounts.
I work with physicians and nurses on a daily basis and can attest that nurses do not sign "oaths of silents for Mal-Practice."
Health care systems are focusing on patient safety, quality, and having a "just culture." When patient safety events occur in a hospital, current practice is to report the error so a quality assurance team can review the processes that led up to the event to prevent its recurrence.
GA peach is right. A good Dr. will study where he is getting a vaccine from, and make sure that it is free of aluminum, formaldehyde, lead, and mercury aka (thimerisol). There are some idiots here so ~Brainwashed, like Tom-Tom over here who is lost in his own dimensia, and a bully @ that. Good grief, these people think that these kids are more at risk of getting measels than autism>?? LOL!! There are 200 ppl per year that die from measels, and there are 1 in 80 kids or worse in America that are getting autism from vaccines. Hello! McFLY!!!!!!!!
There are thousands of people that die every year from vaccinations. Not even 1% ever get reported to the VAERS.
Do you have any verifiable evidence for this? Anything from a reputable source?
Look, there's about a 1 in a million chance of terrible side effects from a vaccine. The chances of measles leaving you sterile, deaf, or dead are about 1 in a thousand. Play the odds, people.
“over six times as many MMR vaccine adverse events reported than cases of measles so far in 2011″
former FDA commissioner David Kessler wrote “only one percent of serious adverse events are reported to the FDA.”
for the source you can use google
I can't believe that we're going to destroy the advancements we've made in public health because of antivax pseudoscience nonsense. Madness. I hope people will be happy when polio, pertussis, and other deadly childhood illnesses make a comeback.
have you any proof at all that vaccines work or vaccines are the cause of declining disease rates?
Any at all?
Vaccines can cause encephalitis(inflammation of the brain, a known side-effect of vaccination). Encephalitis can cause Static Encephalopathy. Now what is static encephalopathy. You can have a look here
http://swsc.schoolwires.net/16331022111121927/lib/16331022111121927/Static_Encephalpathy_Fact_Sheet.pdf