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To each his own: Men and fetishes
July 21st, 2011
07:17 AM ET

To each his own: Men and fetishes

Ian Kerner, a sexuality counselor and New York Times best-selling author, blogs about sex on Thursdays on The Chart. Read more from him at his website, GoodInBed.

As a sexuality counselor and author, I’m often asked, “What’s the strangest thing you’ve ever dealt with?”

I wish I could tell them something really juicy, like naked clowns wrestling in Jell-O, for example, but the truth is that most sexual complaints tend to be rather common: sex ruts, mismatched libidos, erectile disorder and premature ejaculation in men, and orgasm problems and painful sex for women.

What people really want to know about are the unusual sexual fetishes of others (also known clinically as paraphilias), which affect a much smaller percentage of people.

Interestingly enough, most of those people happen to be men. That’s not to say that women lack their own unique turn-ons and turn-offs, their kinks and squicks (sexual repulsions), but when it comes to, say, having a favorite fantasy versus having an obsession in which all sexual pleasure is almost exclusively derived from a single object, body part or sex practice, more men seem to fall in the latter category.

In their compelling new book "A Billion Wicked Thoughts," (also discussed in this blog) neuroscientists Ogi Ogas, Ph.D. and Sai Gaddam, Ph.D., analyzed more than a billion Internet searches in order to learn about the differences between male and female sexual preferences, as well as what those differences tell us about how our brains are wired, and why, for example, men are more predisposed to have fetishes:

“The male sexual software is what a computer engineer would call an 'OR gate.' It is instantly aroused by any single cue. The male brain is turned on by deep décolletage or sashaying hips or the whisper of a sultry voice or two Applebee’s waitresses kissing. The female sexual brain is what a computer engineer would call an 'AND gate.' It requires input from multiple cues simultaneously to surpass a combined threshold of activation before arousal occurs. … Though for most men the OR gate can be triggered by any one of a variety of sexual cues, for some men one specific cue is essential. This necessary cue is a fetish.”

Although fetishes have been well-documented since the mid-19th century, and could easily fill an encyclopedia with thousands, if not tens of thousands, of entries (from agalmatophilia to zoophilia), the underlying mechanics of fetishes remain something of a mystery.

And while the American Psychiatry Association recognizes fetishes in its clinical bible, the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders," there’s much professional dissent about how to treat fetishes and whether treatment can even be effective when a fetish is deeply ingrained in a person.

Freud believed (no surprise) that fetishes stem from issues such as a man’s universal fear of castration or his unconscious fear of his mother’s genitals, while many psychologists continue to believe that some sort of “sexual imprinting” must occur in the early childhood of the fetishist for sexual excitement and the fetish object to become so intricately enmeshed.

Today, fetishes are often treated with a combination of psychoanalysis (the search for deep unconscious meaning behind a fetish), cognitive behavior therapy (in which the fetishist’s thoughts are viewed as irrational ones that can be reversed with conscious mindfulness) and/or psychiatry, which seeks to alter the brain chemistry of the fetishist through drugs.

Even in our own expert-forum at Good in Bed, fetishes are a source of speculation. Recently, for example, a young woman complained of her boyfriend’s “freeze fetish” - his sexual propensity for immobility, statues and wax figures.

While her boyfriend didn’t seem to be exclusively turned on by the fetish, she nonetheless was confused and anxious. Our experts weighed in: “Fetishes don’t usually go away, but they can morph a little,” writes Dr. Madeleine Castellanos, author of "A Woman’s Guide to Men and Their Penis Problems."

“If people are disturbed by them, they could explore what the unconscious interpretation of the fetish is for them. Then they can experiment with another representation of that meaning that they can then assign erotic feelings.”

“The best way to treat fetishes is to identify the nonsexual meanings of the fetish and crack the erotic code by identifying what he is looking for unconsciously through the fetish,” adds psychotherapist Dr. Joe Kort. “Perhaps he was afraid of mannequins in retail stores or impressed with them or aroused by them as a child and now they have become part of this arousal template, or maybe he saw a movie or video about this as a child which caused it to become locked into his mind and now is eroticized.  Whatever the case it could be helpful to understand the origins for both of you.”

Luckily, many people who would normally be distressed by a fetish are now finding like-minded peers via the Internet and/or some form of erotic stimulation (such as specialty porn) that caters to their specific interests.

Or they are fortunate enough to have sexual partners who, in the words of columnist Dan Savage, are sexually GGG (“good, giving and game”) and are willing to stretch their definition of the taboo and incorporate their partner’s fetish into their sex-play.

One single woman I know even joked that she’d love to meet a foot fetishist: At this point in her life, a good foot massage sounded better than sex. Perhaps the greatest goal for couples dealing with a partner who has a fetish is to decide how that fetish fits into their relationship.

“If a man is able to have healthy and hot sex with his partner and have his fetish fantasies without her and enjoy them,” asks Kort, "What’s wrong with that?”

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  1. killallthewhiteman

    I like chicks butts 🙂

    July 21, 2011 at 14:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  2. Furby

    Man, all I can think of is that CSI episode with the Furries convension....

    Nothing like a bunch of jolly mascots crammed in a room, with various bodily fluids all caked in their fur... yea!!

    July 21, 2011 at 14:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bill the Cat

      Ack . . . ack . . .ack.

      July 21, 2011 at 14:22 | Report abuse |
  3. princess

    My girlfriend has a fetish. It involves her being behind me while I'm bent over.

    July 21, 2011 at 14:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Benny

      LOL – HAHA! Tricked You! That is actually Greg. Sorry/ 😦

      July 21, 2011 at 14:22 | Report abuse |
  4. stimpage

    There's a party in your mouth and I'm coming.....

    July 21, 2011 at 14:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  5. Josh

    This "expert" sounds like he's stuck in the 1980s. Research has moved a long way since then, doc.

    July 21, 2011 at 14:21 | Report abuse | Reply
  6. hyperionsix

    My fetish is that my girlfriend would stop smothering me and using me as a toy.

    July 21, 2011 at 14:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  7. Nena

    What I love most about this thread is that everyone has a sense of humor. There are no rude comments. No one is threatening anyone's life. No racial slurs. And further more no trolls. I am amazed. Good job people.

    July 21, 2011 at 14:25 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Greg

      They violated me and threw me away. I'm desolate. They gave me an agenda.

      July 21, 2011 at 14:29 | Report abuse |
  8. Mrs Weiner

    My husband likes his own weiner more than me.

    July 21, 2011 at 14:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • sniffanus

      act like a dik and you'll be in business

      July 21, 2011 at 14:40 | Report abuse |
    • coolbreeze

      he probably gets a better stroke

      July 21, 2011 at 14:54 | Report abuse |
    • JayGee

      That's why, as a male, I prefer other men. My girlfriends are alwayas so naggy and whiney. Cue another man friend: 2 weiners, no drama, no naggy!!

      July 21, 2011 at 15:09 | Report abuse |
    • Baron von Frootloop

      Pictures or it didn't happen. Oh, wait . . . .

      July 21, 2011 at 15:29 | Report abuse |
  9. SadLlama

    Queue the "2 Girls 1 Cup" theme music!

    July 21, 2011 at 14:33 | Report abuse | Reply
  10. enigma65

    so just read another article about "owling"...would that be a fetish if done in the nude?

    July 21, 2011 at 14:35 | Report abuse | Reply
  11. Arnold Schwarzeneger

    ON your BACK!

    July 21, 2011 at 14:43 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Berk Demirbulakli

    I enjoy receiving a good Hot Karl.

    July 21, 2011 at 14:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • IM

      and what would that be?

      July 21, 2011 at 15:31 | Report abuse |
    • Gwen

      As long as you reciprocate with a Hot Karla I'm good!!!

      July 21, 2011 at 17:37 | Report abuse |
  13. coolbreeze

    I like to eat it RAW baby

    July 21, 2011 at 14:45 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. MrMe

    I don't think that's a fetish...unless that's the only way you can get turned on...

    July 21, 2011 at 14:53 | Report abuse | Reply
  15. MrMe

    I actually have a few, but for some reason a young woman with great legs wearing Converse Chucks with no socks and a skirt is one of the more strange ones of mine. A woman's nicely groomed, well-cared for feet are definitely the biggest.

    July 21, 2011 at 14:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  16. coolbreeze

    new adult movie out there "gang of six is back"

    July 21, 2011 at 14:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Blue Õyster Cult

      That's going to be the name of a song on our new CD.

      July 21, 2011 at 15:12 | Report abuse |
  17. King

    Show us your examples! Woo Woo!

    July 21, 2011 at 15:00 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. King

    Sounds like you might be getting too much estrogen from that cheap beef in the burgers, sweetie.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:02 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. Seal Team Six

    We're going to waterboard Monica until she squeals, but not you.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:06 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. Beth

    These comments have made my day!

    July 21, 2011 at 15:07 | Report abuse | Reply
    • King

      Frickin hilarious stuff.

      July 21, 2011 at 15:09 | Report abuse |
  21. Susie

    The whole fetish thing wouldn't be a problem if guys would just last more than two minutes without making me belly-dance while wearing the Princess Leia costume first.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:08 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Tracy

      That's friggen hilarious.

      July 21, 2011 at 17:11 | Report abuse |
    • Tracy

      LOL Susie.

      July 21, 2011 at 17:32 | Report abuse |
    • melvinslizard

      you must dance w-e-l-l

      July 21, 2011 at 18:31 | Report abuse |
  22. hang

    i like saggy sacs and fudge.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:31 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. KLINK DURF

    Question: how do you get a witch pregnant?

    July 21, 2011 at 15:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Baron von Frootloop

      You föök her. Everyone knows that.

      July 22, 2011 at 08:42 | Report abuse |
  24. Baron von Frootloop

    Too much info, dude.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:36 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. johninmemphis

    Shweaty balls – ummm

    July 21, 2011 at 15:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  26. Fetishhacking

    There is nothing wrong with fetishes if no one gets hurt. Besides, CNN has a fetish of intentionally misguiding the public.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:41 | Report abuse | Reply
  27. Mark

    I wanna do Nancy Grace while she talks about Kali Anthony!! mmmmmmmmmm!!!

    July 21, 2011 at 15:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris

      Everyone, say hi to the last person in the country that didn't know how to spell that name.

      July 21, 2011 at 15:54 | Report abuse |
    • melvinslizard

      I wanna watch Marcus Bachmann take out his repressed frustrations on Michelle...

      sorry Daily Show- plagiarism is alive and well...

      July 21, 2011 at 15:59 | Report abuse |
    • Tune A Fish

      Chris! Too funny!

      July 21, 2011 at 19:39 | Report abuse |
    • Meechie

      +10 internets to Chris

      July 23, 2011 at 20:25 | Report abuse |
  28. Mullah Omar

    Yes! I'll do anything!

    July 21, 2011 at 15:46 | Report abuse | Reply
  29. ch

    They made a good point on The Man Show I think it was... Premature ejaculation is a fake ailment. It happens when it happens. The only thing that makes it "premature" is the fact that women would like it to last longer.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:47 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jennifer

      If it lasted longer, I'd go out with you again.

      July 21, 2011 at 15:49 | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      @ Jennifer – If you didn't give it up on the first night, more guys would go out with you again.

      July 21, 2011 at 15:56 | Report abuse |
    • Tracy

      LOL Jennifer.

      July 21, 2011 at 16:58 | Report abuse |
  30. Marcus

    Heh Heh Heh.....

    July 21, 2011 at 15:54 | Report abuse | Reply
  31. Alexa

    You are what – thirteen, fourteen years old? If you are actually a grown man and you speak this way in real life, I think you just answered your many of your own sad and lonely questions.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:55 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. melvinslizard

    Call me, Susie. I'll be your wookie!

    July 21, 2011 at 15:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. Violet

    I'm a female and absolutely love when a guy pees on me, and especially when I get to return the favor. Not in the mouth though.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:57 | Report abuse | Reply
  34. Peter

    I like to pretend my wife is Michelle Obama, before that it was Beyonce. Is that really weird though?

    July 21, 2011 at 15:57 | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Baron von Frootloop

    Alexa, I think you are taking him a little too seriously.

    July 21, 2011 at 15:57 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. FedUpWithBigGovernment

    Gee.. another s*xist article bashing men.. and characterizing them as out of control s*xual p*rverts... Note to author.. WOMEN have fetishes too... I am so sick of the media characterizing men the way they do in such a negative light. We are portrayed in television shows as stupid buffoons.. while women are always the intelligent level headed ones (ohhh please).. Why don't they portray women in the wide variety they come in... from normal to psycho-neurotic-nagging-ocd .... the only show that portrayed women like this was Married with Children... ROLF... let the flaming begin!

    July 21, 2011 at 16:13 | Report abuse | Reply
    • shutup

      we're men, we run everything, who cares how CNN portrays us you pansy, be a man

      July 21, 2011 at 16:26 | Report abuse |
    • Satan

      What does ROLF mean?

      July 21, 2011 at 16:37 | Report abuse |
    • Kermit the Frog

      Rolf is the piano-playing dog. Don't set him on fire, please!

      July 21, 2011 at 16:38 | Report abuse |
    • Tracy

      Aww, somebody is feeling emasculated today!

      July 21, 2011 at 16:56 | Report abuse |
    • FedUpWithBigGovernment

      No Tracy.. im not feeling emasculated today... just calling for fairness in the portrayal... (and I meant ROFL.. not ROLF)
      I have 3 sisters.. and I see how they emasculate their husbands daily.. it is sad.. no wonder why so many men are turning gay!
      You are seeing more and more psycho female teachers molesting students here in Florida... seemingly every day... as women are moving into positions of power... they are increasingly becoming the aggressors... that is fact! I have watched women lean over me hanging their b**bs in my face to try and get me to help them in work... using their wares to try and get their help.. it was PATHETIC.. while other idiots in work would fall all over them to get just a smidgeon of attention... I was embarrassed for these guys that were being played.. and you know what they got.. after she got what she wanted... she just would then return to ignoring them... it was HILARIOUS.. but I digress...

      July 21, 2011 at 17:08 | Report abuse |
    • Tracy

      If you cannot handle psycho-neurotic-nagging-ocd, try dating a man, and then you too can be a psycho-neurotic-nagging-ocd.

      Also, I am a psycho-neurotic-nagging-ocd and I am good in bed. Normal women are starfish in the bedroom. 🙂

      July 21, 2011 at 17:28 | Report abuse |
    • garyjh

      LOL.... really? men are turning gay? OK, so just how many str8 guys do you know who have suddenly "turned gay"? unreal

      July 21, 2011 at 21:43 | Report abuse |
    • Jorge

      Tracy, I've met a bunch of sizzling, stacked, hot-in-bed women in my neck of the woods with 'normal' temperaments. Psycho-neurotic-nagging-ocd tomatoes need not apply.

      July 22, 2011 at 07:53 | Report abuse |
    • Baron von Frootloop

      I think he must have turned g ay after watching Rolf the Dog on tv. That makes him a furry, right?

      July 22, 2011 at 08:34 | Report abuse |
  37. Shocked

    Well, from all the comments I got this: there are more and more men out there who likes other men, or if they dont want to "come out" then just take girlfriends with strap on 😦 Pretty sad.

    July 21, 2011 at 16:24 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. philip

    you shameless people are not only filthy, but are without "GOD" where does your kind come from?

    July 21, 2011 at 16:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Satan

      "where does your kind come from?" Women give birth to us, you idiot. Didn't your dad give you "the talk?"

      July 21, 2011 at 16:36 | Report abuse |
    • Baron von Frootloop

      I'm probably cleaner than you are, and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

      July 21, 2011 at 16:39 | Report abuse |
    • boocat

      Pay no attention to some of these people. They're parents probably just taught them how to use a computer so they don't know any better. They're infantile brats.

      July 21, 2011 at 16:43 | Report abuse |
    • Tracy

      Our kind come from the same place men like to put their penis. You should try it sometime, then you won't be such an uptight freak!

      July 21, 2011 at 16:55 | Report abuse |
    • Earnest T Bass

      Chicago! Mon Get used to it.

      July 21, 2011 at 17:33 | Report abuse |
    • Benny

      Enjoy life and stop talking to your imaginary friend. He/She/It won't help you. Remember, "He/She/It helps those who help themselves". Those of us who enjoy a good fetish help ourselves (and others) a good deal more than self absorbed whiners like yourself. Lock yourself in whats left of your mind and leave the rest of us alone. If we choose to "Burn in He!!" that is our choice. Didn't He/She/It give us free will to do so? Why do you think it's your job to "save" us? We don't want your "saviour".
      BTW. I'm Christian. I go to church regularly. I admit freely that although my faith isn't as strong as it was when I was an impressional child, I do believe. Not once have I gone to confessional for my fetish. I have no sin to confess for I do not feel sinful for my actions. I live life and enjoy what I can while I'm here.
      I wish you and all of those of faith who feel it's necessary to "hate" would understand that the greatest sin lies within yourself and your actions.
      Religion = War
      Never has it been otherwise.

      Now where are the Cheetos covered Midgets?!?

      July 22, 2011 at 07:27 | Report abuse |
    • Jorge

      Oh brother, not another shrink-wrapped, latex-gloved, queasy bible-thumper.

      July 22, 2011 at 07:55 | Report abuse |
    • LatexFan

      "Oh brother, not another shrink-wrapped, latex-gloved, queasy bible-thumper."
      mmmmm.....

      August 4, 2011 at 10:19 | Report abuse |
  39. Tracy

    My fetish is finding a man that doesn't throw a tantrum when I ask him to put on a condom.

    July 21, 2011 at 16:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • RainCoat

      Many wouldn't mind, if you didn't ask during dinner with the parents 😉

      August 4, 2011 at 10:21 | Report abuse |
  40. Ryan in SF

    @Ann – Fluggaenkoecchicebolsen is the Safety Word!

    haha did you say Fluggaenkoehimen? HANS! GRUBOR! Bring out the Fluggaenkoehimen!

    That scene from Eurotrip cracks me up everytime!

    July 21, 2011 at 17:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  41. Tracy

    The best lover I ever had was French. Ladies, you have to try a French man.

    July 21, 2011 at 17:31 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Benny

      Lol. I lived in France for 2 years. All I can say is personal hygene isn't a priority. Italian men love to see "Buckwheat in a leg lock" if you know what I mean. All you "natural" ladies rejoice! Just put up with the BO and cheesy testica!s.

      July 22, 2011 at 07:29 | Report abuse |
  42. Tracy

    My ex would have gone bananas if I dressed up as Lord Voldemort, wearing nothing under that black cape. He loved to use his Harry Potter wand in the bedroom.

    July 21, 2011 at 17:35 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Benny

      Uhhh... Wasn't Harry's wand sort of short, thin and had twisty, spirals in it? No offense but seems somewhat disappointing...

      July 22, 2011 at 07:56 | Report abuse |
    • Harry's Wand

      Please don't forget that "He who shall not be named" has a matching wand... Was that what you were swinging around when you dressed up as Lord Voldemort? Bet Hubby was supprised about that!

      July 22, 2011 at 07:59 | Report abuse |
    • Dirty Spot

      Did your husband use the "Inyouranus" charm on you?

      July 22, 2011 at 07:59 | Report abuse |
  43. Earnest T Bass

    OK, just for that no lube tonight.

    July 21, 2011 at 17:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  44. doofiegilmor

    I like them big and round! I JUST LOVE MY HEFFERS!! The more rolls of fat to flip through the better! Oh... the hot nasty stench of sweat, I LUUVV IT!!

    July 21, 2011 at 18:39 | Report abuse | Reply
  45. Saboth

    I'm kind of confused on why fetishes need to be "treated". I can understand if perhaps it is affecting your love life, but if these are things that please you, why must you be medicated/psychologically modified to like what the rest of humanity deems "normal"? Isn't this the same thing bible thumpers want to do with gay people?

    July 21, 2011 at 20:11 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Itsnotfunanymore

    So what ...my CAT has a shoe fetish.

    July 22, 2011 at 01:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LuvMyCat

      So does mine! lol. He sticks his head in a shoe, takes a big whiff and them falls over and purrs. Weirdo, lol

      August 11, 2011 at 06:52 | Report abuse |
  47. morgan painter

    It appears the word fetish is evolving into something much different that the official definition from years ago.

    It used to mean unnatural attraction to a non body article. It was considered to be so severe that a person could not be aroused without the object in sight or close proximity.

    I can understand if a guy or gal is turned on by the sight of something it might enhance the romance, but if they could NOT get turned on without it that to me is obsession.

    Being turned on by a woman in a great looking dress that shows her long slender legs is not a fetish as I understand it, it is simply a preference of something perfectly normal.

    A woman who is turned on by a healthy guy in a damp tight t shirt seems to me to be very normal indeed. Those to me are not fetishes.

    I knew guys who rolled their eyes with ecstasy when a gorgeous gal from the office walked by wearing a snug sweater in the winter or a silky blouse in the summer. Was that a fetish? I think not, that was simply admitting a gorgeous lady was truly attractive.

    not being able to turn on unless your man is wearing a Luke Skywalker outfit? That indicates a fetish. Getting hotter if your man wears his Luke skywalker outfit? Now that is just a turn on.

    I'm with the guys who liked the sweater and silky blouse. We are the ones who find the female human form to be delightful and absolutely attractive. And that my friends does not appear to be a fetish.

    July 22, 2011 at 03:28 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Benny

      Absolutely agree with you morgan painter. Unfortunately the term "fetish" doesn't imply a "Need" so much as what can socially be considered a "Perverse Desire" now. As we all know, we are all sheep who need social acceptance.

      I find the saddest part that our "Desires", which at one point was a private matter between consenting adults in a private setting, is now subject to public opinion. This is mostly due to everyones desire for their "15 minutes of fame" and social media. There are so many ways to spread your "fetishes" to the masses it is now mainstream. Kids look at you odd when you say you don't have a Spacebook or Myface account.

      I miss the old days when everyone minded their own business and allowed others to live as they wished. Or is/was that time just a myth?

      July 22, 2011 at 08:09 | Report abuse |
    • merlinblack

      @Benny
      No, the time where everyone minded their own business and allowed others to live as they wished has unfortunately never existed. Sadly, as intolerant as people seem today, this is probably one of the most tolerant periods in history.
      Reference the numerous individuals burnt at the stake for witchcraft, heresy, adultery in the US and UK all the way through the late 1700s. Look up the history of sodomy/buggery laws in the U.S. and U.K. (present in the US through 2002!!) The list goes on.

      August 4, 2011 at 13:16 | Report abuse |
  48. AC

    This is bit one-sided, as women have many fetishes. We just are not as verbal about them, as it seems a bit more socially unacceptable for women to have naughty fetishes. I've also noticed that I'm (a woman) more willing to play along with a man's fetish, but many men get that "oh, you're too weird" if I bring up my fetishes. This is a shame for women. Either we have to go completely to fetish-land and take being a sadist and drag a man by a leash to be accepted by a group of piers that do the same or we're pretty much alone in our fetishes.

    July 22, 2011 at 08:58 | Report abuse | Reply
    • LuvMyCat

      Sweetie ... yyou just haven't found the right man yet. 😀

      August 11, 2011 at 06:55 | Report abuse |
  49. zena

    SpaceBook or MyFace-too damn funny! I read all 437 posts-apparantly I just discovered myself & I liked it!

    July 23, 2011 at 07:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  50. EKIA

    I love women who wear pantyhose. Nothing beats a short skirt and hose! And heels ofcourse.

    July 26, 2011 at 14:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • BOB MOORE

      You got that right, there is nothing that can beat a woman in a skirt with hose and heels. Except if she has a garter belt on also.

      August 4, 2011 at 10:45 | Report abuse |
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