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October 29th, 2010
11:17 AM ET

Does wild game meat cause the same health problems as red meat?

Every weekday, a CNNHealth expert doctor answers a viewer question. On Friday, it's Dr. Melina Jampolis, a physician nutrition specialist.

Question asked by Rob of Colorado

Does wild game meat (deer, elk, antelope, etc.) cause the same health problems typically associated with red meat consumption or are its health benefits more akin to eating fish or chicken?

Expert answer:

Wild game such as deer, elk and antelope tend to be very lean due to their active lifestyle and natural diet. Their meat, therefore, is lower in total and saturated fat than red meat.

In addition, fat from wild game contains a higher proportion of polyunsaturated fatty acids. Their nutrition statistics are very similar to a skinless chicken breast, with most cuts having around 110 to 130 calories, 2 grams of fat and 25 grams of protein for a 3 oz. serving. Deer, elk and antelope have a vitamin and mineral composition similar to beef, so these meats are good sources of iron (5 mg/4 oz.), B12 (3.6 mcg/4 oz.), B6, niacin and riboflavin.

While no research that I could find looked specifically at game meat in terms of health risks or benefits, based on their nutrition profile, they can be considered a good source of lean protein that can be consumed in moderation as part of a healthy diet along with skinless poultry, fish and trimmed lean meats.

It is not known whether game meat is associated with an increased risk of heart disease or cancer, as red meat and especially processed red meat are. In addition, they do not have the health-promoting benefits associated with fish, especially fatty fish, which is high in omega 3 fatty acids, so it is important to try to consume at least two servings of fish per week, according to the American Heart Association.

Similar to other types of meat, it is probably wise to cook game meats at lower temperatures for a longer period of time to avoid the formation of potentially cancer-causing compounds associated with cooking meats at higher temperatures.

Of note, there has been some research showing increased lead levels in people who consume wild game meat on a regular basis due to lead bullets. This has led some health agencies to recommend that pregnant women and children avoid consumption of game meat harvested with lead bullets.

Disclaimer: My response to this question does not imply that I endorse the sport of hunting. I am simply responding to the question regarding nutrition information.


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  1. Mary

    I know of at least one instance where wild game meat did have the outcome of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease for one man in Washington state....this is a variant of a mad cow like syndrome.... I don't know what the research is on this prevelance.

    October 29, 2010 at 11:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KellyinCA

      The issues surrounding variant CJD, in the late 90s, were linked to the feeding of animal byproducts to herd animals, which is not the case with wild game being hunted in the wild (I'm not sure about game animals husbanded in captivity.) If variant CJD is found in game, it is far more likely due to contamination while the animal is being carved up for the freezer.

      October 29, 2010 at 12:10 | Report abuse |
    • questionauthority

      CJD occurs naturally in the wild. It is propagated by certain feeding practices adopted by big cattle vendors. It is still very rare and from what i remember it can only be contracted by eating the brain and nervous systems of the animal. My guess is that you work for the big cattle vendors and are trying to scare people of wild game or scare them into eating FDA beef. As far as the article is concerned the real concern is the chemicals found in processes cattle. Eat only grass feed organic beef or none at all. Thats my belief. Game meat is better for you on so many levels. Its definantly tastes different tho.

      October 29, 2010 at 12:36 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      As a biochemist who studies prion diseases, let me clear up a few misconceptions in Mary's and Kelly's posts. Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is the name for the human prion disease, while "mad cow" is the colloquial name for the version that affects cattle, and chronic wasting is the form that affects deer.

      Kelly is correct that the mad cow disease outbreak was due to feeding practices in farmed animals. Mad cow does not seem to spread between cows, so once the practice of feeding cattle meat and bone meal products from cattle and sheep, the disease has gone away (except for rare sporadic cases).

      However, the same is not true for chronic wasting disease, the prion disease that affects deer and elk. It can spread between deer through a mechanism that we don't yet fully understand (most likely a fecal-oral route, where a deer defecates on the grass, and another deer subsequently eats from this spot, ingesting the infectious material). Therefore, contrary to Kelly's suggestion, prions are found in wild game. In some areas of Colorado, up to 30% of some herds are infected.

      However, contrary to Mary's suggestion, there is not yet any clear evidence that prions can pass from deer to humans. There have been a few anecdotal cases, but none of them proven to come from eating deer. The problem is that Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease occurs sporadically, so it is hard to prove whether a new case was due to bad luck or due to eating infected material. There is no evidence that hunters have higher rates of CJD, even in areas with high levels of chronic wasting.

      In short, it is clear that chronic wasting is not efficiently transmitted to humans, but it remains possible that it may be transmitted in very rare cases.

      October 29, 2010 at 12:37 | Report abuse |
    • FACTCHECK REVIEW CENTER

      The Answer to the Questions surrounding Meat obtained from wild game has been Determined:

      ANSWER: MEAT FROM WILD GAME IS EQUALLY BAD OR WORSE FOR HUMAN HEALTH THAN REGULAR MEATS.

      Multiple Factors have been unearthed which failed to be covered or mentioned by the self-described 'Fitness Expert' contracted to espouse the administrative response above.

      1. MEAT LINKED TO CANCER. It has now been found to contain highly toxic substances unfit for the human diet called "HETEROCYCLIC AMINES" when cooked. Heterocyclic Amines are produced when meat is barbecued or grilled, and especially severe when meat is charred, meaning that ANY meat which is involved in Barbequing or steak or meat which is served with those dark "GRILL MARKS" going across the piece of meat, "prized" by so-called meat-lovers, is actually contaminated with compounds which are unfit for human health. What this means is that it makes NO difference whether said piece of meat is regular, grass fed, organic, wild game, processed, plain, farm-fresh, anti-biotic free, hormone free, or got onto your plate as a 'big juicy steak' ALL MEAT regardless of being wild, free-range, organic, grass-fed, corn fed, or not, may contain Cancer-causing substances, produced in severe quantities when it is barbequed, grilled and cooked. It means that any piece of meat which contains these cooked 'well-done' spots, even if it just happens to be a crispy spot on the side, cooked through all the way, or a hotdog with the tell-tale diagonal grill marks across it, will be a slab of meat, whether wild deer, or bison meat, or felled elk, or grassfed barn cow, will be equally damaging to you and/or your child.

      PHYS-ORG NEWS: "Eating red and processed meats has been linked to an increased risk of developing several different types of cancer."

      DETAILS: "Studies have identified a number of compounds in meat that might account for this association . These include heterocyclic amines, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and N-nitroso compounds." -PHYSORG Meat, including the varieties grassfed, organic, wild game, deer, or factory farmed cow has now been linked to bladder cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer, breast cancer, stomach cancer, Prostate Cancer in men, and Death.

      Obtain Information as Follows: Put "MEAT Heterocyclic Amines" into Google to obtain the information on this yourself. The 'fitness expert' above even mentions these compounds, but then fails to give sufficient detail on this clearly expressing that it confirms that WILD GAME MEAT is AS BAD with regard to these potential cancer-causing agents as any other meat! Then, this 'finess expert' with only a tiny mention telling you to just 'cook it slow' and not telling you that you that if you don't watch out you could be ingesting potent substances in wild meat or regular meat which could give your own child malignant cancer, and then embarassingly goes on to recommend it! Watch out for this. Note that if you FAIL to cook meat sufficiently you can be infected by parasites, worms, nematodes, egg larvae, tapeworms, brucellosis, ecoli, salmonella, listeria which causes death, and more. What this means is for years those pushing the meat-agenda had been telling people to Intensively cook meat, cook it through, well done, in order to avoid eating meat and obtaining diarrhea, sickness, or death. And now it has been found that doing this and cooking it well-done, especially with said prized 'appetizing' grill marks on it, as seen in many TVads, will actually be a danger to your own and your child's health. So now, not only do you have to be extremely careful about cooking it too much, meat can also infect you if you cook it too little, so meat is now considered a risk and is extremely touchy no matter how you cook it. (By the way, plants do Not contain these substances when cooked, it is simply not produced. You could even sear plant-based material on a barbeque or gill and it does Not produce heterocyclic amines. Therefore the Vegetarian Diet is safe in this regard, unlike a diet based on meat.)

      NOTE: You will now also find multiple scientific studies confirming that "Red Meat and Processed Meat" has been linked to multiple types of disease. You will then find multiple false 'experts' or commentators going around falsely touting things like "Oh, well, now that just means processed meat is bad, and 'regular' meat is 'ok'."=WRONG! Notice that the headline and the studies say "RED MEAT AND" processed meats. It does Not say "Only" processed meats. In other words, BOTH regular red meats AND processed meats have now been conclusively shown to be linked with human cancers. But many of the articles are merely furnishing more detail on the 'mechanism' of the processed types of meat, including hotdogs, sausages, spam, lunchmeat given to kids by their unwitting parents, etc, because more details were recently found regarding the Sodium Nitrite and Sodium Nitrates contained in these types of meats and their connection to cancer formation in humans. This does NOT mean that it's ONLY processed meats! Some posters have now been going around the internet mistakenly thinking and posting erroneous information telling people that it's "only" processed meat, that is False, notice that the study and the determination is precisely Red Meat "AND" Processed Meat have now been linked to human tissue Cancer. ALL meat is now questionable, not just that which is processed. The chemicals in processed meats have been linked to certain types of cancers, while regular meat has still continued to be linked to even more forms of human cancers.

      Watch for any individual going around proclaiming that "meat itself" is inherently 'safe' and trying to tell you that it was 'only' processed meat, blaming it ALL somehow on the chemicals and trying to get you to ingest more meat, that person can be immediately debunked and their misinformed statements on the subject can be disgarded. BOTH processed meat AND meat that has never been processed at all, has been linked to cancer. As well as meat which is barbequed, grilled, well-done, cooked over a campfire, contains any type of grill-marks, etc. This produces toxic compounds called Heterocyclic Amines unnatural for the human diet and found unfit for human ingestion when meat is cooked. And as it so happens, these are EXACTLY the types of cooking methods which are touted, bragged about, prized, and 'recommended' as desirable by so-called meat-lovers or grillers and restaurants and the meat industry, the very types which are most toxic to you and especially to your family and children.

      2. MEAT CAN INFECT YOU WITH SOME OF THE MOST SEVERE DISEASES KNOWN TO HUMMANKIND.

      In the article above, the 'fitness expert' glosses over harmful anti-biotics and feminizing women's menstrual hormones found in 99% of all pieces of steak and meat found in most grocery stores. However, undoubtedly you will find multiple 'commenters' popping up who will inevitably bring it up (CONFIRMING THAT 99% OF ALL REGULAR MEAT IS UNFIT FOR CONSUMPTION) but then using the terms hormone-free, grass-fed, and antibiotic-free in order to tout wild game meat, elk meat, antelope meat, moose meat, bison meat, venison deer meat, hunting, seal meat, or other such items mistakenly applauding them for their being hormone-free or antibiotic free, and some poorly informed individuals even going so far as to tout such killed animals as 'free range' and therefore somehow 'good' for your health, etc etc.=THIS IS FALSE. What these individuals touting the meat-diet fail to mention is WHY human meat farmers have been putting antibiotics into regular meat in the 1st place. REASON: Because meat can infect you!

      Think about it... WHY would livestock farmers be soaking the pieces of meat and steak that you put in your mouth with Anti-biotics? For fun? Why would a livestock cattle farmer be spending huge sums of money putting implants in their cows that are sold to you for meat? Why is it that the cattle, pig, and meat industry uses up nearly 50% of ALL THE ANTIBIOTICS produced by drug companies on the planet. (That's right, you thought most of the helpful anti-biotic drugs were used by Humans, by doctors, or in hospitals, etc, but no, you may be surprised that over half of the antibiotics produced on the planet are used in meat! Look it up.) So WHY exactly would meat-farmers producing steaks for you be going to all the cost, and trouble, and volume to be thoroughly contaminating your meat with antibiotics? ANSWER: Because meat animals get INFECTED! The meat that you eat, has been coming from animals, which are known to contain some of the most harmful, pernicious, and infectious harmful diseases known to man. Also as you know, animals tend to go around in herds, and when one gets infected, the whole lot can get infected. And if you ingest the sickened meat, you can get infected. And when you feed meat to your child, your child can get infected.

      And if you think this is rare, you are mistaken. Each and every year, more than 5,000 DEATHS occur from food-borne illnesses. That's human deaths. Caused by eating infected diseased, virally contaminated or bacterially contaminated meat and supmermarket products! In the time you've taken to read the article above, another human or child can have died. This is killing nearly 13 people a DAY! And that is ONLY the US, this is not even adding the figures worldwide, this is killing Five thousand people each year, every year, dead, even WITH 50% of all the antibiotics in the world being thrown at and consumed by the meat industry. In addition to 5,000 deaths, each year over 375-THOUSAND PEOPLE are sickened to such a severe extent that they are hospitalized (it didn't kill them, but eating it put them into the hospital). With everything from violent vomiting, to explosive bloody diarrhea from eating meat, infected with food-borne pathogens. That's over a quarter of a million people, just in the United States. And to top it off, if you count the documented reports, where the person was still sickened but stuck it out at home, sick from school or work, and suffered through their vomit or stomach pains and didn't have health insurance or didn't go to the hospital, the number of humans that are infected each year, reported by the CDC due to food-borne illnesses, reaches 75-MILLION! Again that's even WITH pieces of meat soaked in strong pathogen-killing antibiotics in the steak you put in your mouth.

      Now, what these people touting wild game meat, or hunted wildlife animals, or organic grass-fed antibiotic free steak meat FAIL to tell you, is that WITHOUT antibiotics, ALL of these meats are now potentially infected! When you embark on a diet touting meat, regarding antibiotics, you are damned if you do, and damned if you dont. If you eat regular meat you are ingesting pieces of meat that are known to contain harmful antibiotic-laden substances hazardous to human health, and if you ingest meat from animals that people are now going around flaunting as antibiotic-free, 'organic', free-range, grassfed, wild game animals, you are now opening yourself up to infecting yourself, your family, and your child with some of the most horrible diseases known to man.

      Do you remember the "SARS" epidemic? Where did the "SARS" virus come from? Hmm? It came from humans eating wild game meat. The SARS epidemic originated by people eating meat. Specifically it came from people who got the idea to eat a wild civet cat that they found out in the woods. This resulted in one of the most unsettling and pernicious viruses unleashed in recent times, killing hundreds of people, causing human death, and threatening to spread to multiple countries before it was contained. And guess what, it's not gone. It's still out there.

      Forgot "AVIAN FLU" already? Hmm? How about if it is mentioned in its simpler name for you: "Bird" Flu. This was so virulent, that huge swaths of entire flocks and stables of chickens, turkeys, and poultry on poultry farms not only had to be banned from touching humans, but had to be often BURNED! Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of animals had to be killed, quarantined, and meat recalled. All of this due to a virus spread by meat. And notice, that once again, this ALSO infects wild game birds! And there are once again NO antibiotics in them, antibiotics wont even work on a virus, they are meant for bacterial pathogens, and by eating wild game birds and meat YOU can infect your own child. This goes for wild ducks, wild geese, grouse, hunted pheasant, wild turkeys, and meat touted by hunters from all kinds of wild game bird species more than you can count! If you put wild meat in your mouth, you can be getting infected.

      HIV / AIDS CAME FROM PEOPLE EATING MEAT. What? Huh? No that can't be. Or can it? That's just some made-up rumour, right? No. Look it up in scientific journals wherever you want. HIV AIDS originated from people eating wild animal meat. Specifically bushmeat. Bushmeat is meat taken by hunters, in the wild. In this particular case, in places such as africa. Hiv/aids has now been traced back, and found to be unleashed on the world, hurting and killing millions of people by hunters, men who hunted down wild animals and ate pieces of chimp. AIDS is yet another virus that is now infecting humans that came from eating meat. And not only that, but wild animal meat. Go look it up. Here's a starting point for you: http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/04/tests-find-hiv-like-virus-in-bushmeat/

      Meat is one of the most infected, pernicious, disease-laden items around. Why? Because diseases and infections that are present in animals, called ZOONOTIC infectious diseases, are often more readily transmissible to people, than from plants. In fact, when it comes to viruses, Vegetarians do not have this problem. NO virus, pernicious to humans, can be obtained from a Plant. One more time: You can't get infected with a harmful virus, from a plant. Not by touching it, not by eating it, not by anything. Plants cannot infect people. Vegetarians cannot get infected with a plant virus. In fact, no one can get infected by a PHYTOTIC plant virus which is at all harmful to humans. VEGANS are safe. This is NOT TRUE in the case of meat. Meat Eaters are at constant risk. Meat comes from animals, and due to genetic DNA being more closely related to people, and often transmissible and infectious to human lives, including your children. FACT: Meat can infect you with deadly viruses. Plants cant. Look it up.

      MEAT MAY CONTAIN NEMATODES, WORMS AND PARASITE EGGS:

      That's not all. Animals also can be infected with parasite larvae. What this means, is that with every piece of meat you eat, you may be eating worms, parasite eggs, infectious cysts, and more. Oh, and by the way, this includes the oft-bandied-about term "lean meat" too. Lean-meat is exactly where many devouring parasites love to live. Like Trichinella parasites. Some of the parasitic organisms and their eggs you have been eating include tape worm proglottids, pin worms, round worms, trichinella spiralis worms and egg larvae which form cysts in your muscles and then hatch and burrow into the meat of your arm ingesting it. TYPE "TRICHINELLA EGGS" into google and read for yourself what has been in the meat you've been eating, especially pork. Keep in mind, it's not IF trichinella eggs have been in your meat, it's the fact that you are eating them. The difference is that you've only been cooking the worms and their eggs and you've been eating them, that's all. What this means, is that if you slip up, and you, or your drunk neighbor at his barbeque grill, or some cook at a restauraunt or picnic undercooks pork and gives it to your children, they can get infected. Now consider the fact that its not only if you undercook meat, but if you now cook meat too much as well, you once again have a toxic situation. And to top it off, it doesn't even matter how much you cook it, because if you take that piece of meat, you put it raw on your cuttingboard and while you're preparing it, cutting into it, you can be unleashing the eggs and parasites all over your surfaces. Then the next piece of food that you put on there, eaten raw, such as cold shrimp, or even a salad cut up on there can now be all infected. And guess what, those second items never get cooked. Therefore you can have infected your entire kitchen or table with larvae and eggs, and even if you went onward to cook the pork, you infected yourself and possibly your guests or family with parasitic eggs from the raw meat which they are now eating live. Some parasites can live inside your intestines, and/or your human brain for years, even decades, before detection. You just keep getting sick, until decades later it has been detected that you have cystic tapeworms that have been making swiss-cheese out of your brain. BOTH regular plain meat, and wild meat contain parasites, nematodes, and worm egg larvae. Note: Vegetarians do not have to worry about Trichinella parasites. Trichinella worms cant live in plants. They literally EAT muscle. They live in meat. Including yours.

      MEAT IS A KNOWN CARRIER OF PERNICIOUS INFECTIOUS DISEASES.

      The list of problems with meat doesn't end. Meat also is a carrier of Brucellosis, a highly infectious disease that can infect humans as well. Animal tuberculosis is also a risk. Brucellosis is also present in the wild! Wild animals are potential carriers of Brucellosis. That's not all. Meat can carry a disease called Scabies. This results in huge disgusting festering scabs and sores all over your elbows, face, and skin. These begin to make you itch, and then you scratch, opening up the sores and getting pieces of scab, skin, and seeping fluid under your fingernails,which then you touch your face, or your child and infect them. Meat animals also can be infected with Blue Tongue, a disease which turns the tongues of the infected animals an unhealthy blueish color. Then there's Foot and Mouth disease, a horrible disease of meat where not just thousands, but hundreds of thousands of carcases of animals had to be inflammated and burned in order to prevent the spread of this infection. Then there is the CWD or CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE that several commenters have mentioned. CWD is the animal form of CJD or Creutzfeld-Jakob Disease, which turns the human brain into soft swiss-cheese, literally eating holes in your brain matter. CWD variant of BSE or Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, commonly known as MAD-COW disease. Not because the cows are angry mad, but because this meat-borne disease infects the brain, and essentially renders it abnormal and deranged. Mad as in crazy. This disease is so severe that drastic actions are taken each and every time an outbreak is discovered. Luckily (so far) the CDC and others have been able to catch and control it, however it is still out there, ready to strike at any time if it gets loose, infecting untold numbers of cattle meant for steak in the human food supply. There is still study going on regarding the animal form CWD and its transmissibility to humans, however remember that it was also believed for years that BSE couldn't infect humans–until it was found by researchers Jakob and Creutzfeld that infact it could, in the form of CJD. So CWD may indeed render even more danger from meat. Remember, these are PRION diseases. If you don't know what a Prion is, or why this matters, you need to understand that this is NOT a virus, and it is NOT a bacteria. It means that there is NO KNOWN CURE for this. You can't fight it, you can't kill it, its not even 'alive', there's not antibiotic that can eradicate mad-cow, bse, cjd in humans, or cwd in wild animals, making this extremely dangerous. There is no anti-viral for it. It can't be 'killed'. This is why meat animals found infected with mad-cow have to be quarantined and even burned, in order to prevent the spread of it. Once again, how did mad-cow get started? Well, some livestock meat farmer had the brilliant idea to feed MEAT to animals. Animals designed to eat plants were fed pieces of meat. The Meat contained prions. The animals got infected, in the brain. So once again, one of the most disastrous, costly, and devastating diseases originated from ingesting pieces of meat. In this case, from sheep scrapie. Which means that lamb and mutton, essentially sheep meat, not just beef, and not just pork, and not just poultry, is also at risk of not being safe to eat.

      NOTICE: WILD MEAT IS NEVER INSPECTED AND MAY BE INFECTED.

      The article author above, and also hoardes of so-called steak-eaters and meat-lovers including hunters who go around now posting the 'joys' of eating wild game and wild animal meat now that they realize that 99% of all regular meat contains antibiotics and feminine hormones such as SYNOVEX, ESTRO-PLAN, ZERANOL, HEIFERMAX 500, progesterone the feminine pregnancy hormone, and others in the pieces of meat you've been eating. Well, what this author, and these hunters touting all of this 'free-range' wild hunted killed animal meat FAIL to remind you of, is that NONE OF THEIR MEAT IS INSPECTED! The meat in your supermarket, restaurants, or store is regulated, tested in a laboratory, checked, and looked at by INSPECTORS, including officers from the FDA, USDA, and regulators. In doing this, they test for parasites, fecal matter in your meat, ecoli, listeria, salmonella, brucellosis, hoof and mouth disease, scabies, blue tongue, bovine spongiform encephalopathy, lyme disease, trichinella, tape worms, and more. WILD GAME MEAT IS NOT! What's happening, is that some hunter is bagging a wild animal, out of the woods, where it has been exposed to who knows what, brucellosis, ticks, other lame and diseased animals, footpad necrosis, living parasites, eating its own feces, etc, and then that hunter is strapping it to the hood of his (unclean) car, slicing it up with who knows what (dirty knives), in his garage, hanging from a non-sterilized rope that has coagulated blood on it from the last one, and using his bare possibly unwashed hands or work gloves to peel the animals skin off, and plop slabs of this potentially infected meat onto pieces of (handled) newspaper who then gives it to you telling you it's so great because it's grass-fed free range and the healthiest thing in the world for you. Meanwhile the thing was infested and covered with TICKS, had gotten bitten by mosquitoes while out in the woods, had bedbugs or who knows what feeding on it and infesting that meat with everything from LYME DISEASE to brucellosis, to prion diseases, or whatever other infectious germs and parasites that wild animal meat was exposed to. Elk and Moose nowadays are all covered with Ticks. Unbelievable. Up to hundreds and thousands of them. So many ticks that they have sometimes killed the animal. Wildlife officers are finding dead moose carcasses covered with thousands of Ticks, that brought down a thousand pound animal. Poorly informed seal hunters in Canada got the 'brilliant' (not) idea to sell pieces of seal meat, and then the sealers couldn't sell enough seal meat off to humans because it tastes horrible so they tried to peddle the seal meat to animal farmers, including mink farmers, and these newfoundland canadian sealers ended up infecting the entire population with a disease from seal meat called FOOTPAD NECROSIS wherein canadian sealers nearly destroyed peoples livelihoods and left thousands of people unable to put food on the table for their families and children. All this by overpushing and touting the ingestion of pieces of meat. Wild seal meat, and also whale meat (ILLEGAL AND BANNED IN THE U.S.) has now been found to contain Methyl Mercuric poison, which has been hurting the people of Canada, and Japanese ingesters, and even native Inuit children. These wild meats are now regarded as unfit for human consumption, containing poison, and cause damage to human children, decrease human IQ upon ingestion of the meat, and cause cognitive brain damage and cause children to be born with horrible birth defects. All due to whalers and sealers touting the ingestion of pieces of these meat items now know to cause human damage.

      FINDINGS: Wild Game Meat, Wildlife Animal Meat, Hunted Meat, Organic meat, Grass-Fed animals, whether antibiotic-free or not are equally bad if not even WORSE than any and all types of meat and continue to put human lives at risk. Meat regardless of source, is a rich source of cancer, and high in diseases, infectious viruses, and parasite eggs.

      October 30, 2010 at 11:30 | Report abuse |
  2. Dom

    There is NO link between new variant CJD and chronic wasting disease in humans. They are caused by different agents. The U.S. has had less than five cases. Most were in immigrants. There are less than 300 cases world-wide.

    October 29, 2010 at 11:50 | Report abuse | Reply
  3. Suzanne

    I think that it's also worth noting that game animals – in their natural, wild state – have not been tampered with by humans (e.g., dosing them with hormones and antibiotics). I think that a good portion of the health problems we attribute to red meats can be attributable to the extra "stuff" we chemically and biologically alter it with. It would stand to reason, then, that wild game animals are healthier for human consumption. I am a vegetarian, so I don't eat any animals – but given the choice and if I had to eat an animal, I would be far more likely to eat wild game than I would factory-farmed animals.

    October 29, 2010 at 12:08 | Report abuse | Reply
    • DW

      Have you considered eating animal crackers? That might be a good choice of animal for you.

      October 29, 2010 at 19:50 | Report abuse |
  4. karla

    Truly wild game animals (as opposed to farm raised "wild" ones) have fat that is high in anti-inflammatory omega 3's like fish, as the animals eat grasses. This is completely different from conventionally raised cattle who are fed corn, high in the inflammatory omega 6s, which are a major contributor to heart disease and overall levels of inflammation in the brain, heart and body in general.

    October 29, 2010 at 12:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • karla

      ozwest: as a nutritionist I can tell you few actually thrive on a vegetarian/vegan diet. If one has mood issues like depression, then a vegetarian diet is awful as plants have little tryptophan in them. Pregnant vegetarian women must take iron and B12 and many lack the enzymes needed to convert flax's alpha linolenic acid to DHA needed for fetal eye and brain development, suggesting that if this population MUST supplement to prevent serious birth defect, then this is not a natural diet. Check out the new book The Vegetarian Myth or the Weston A Price web site. Would that everyone had access to wild game and fish to eat!!

      October 29, 2010 at 14:16 | Report abuse |
    • Cole

      Red meat and anti-inflammatory? Not really. There are many factors that determine the overall inflammation factor in foods, and, yes, omega-3 is one of them. But, red meat has too much of the bad stuff to make it anti-inflammatory. Eating red meat for that reason is a great example of taking a step forward, only to take 2 steps back. Also, like everything else that's not fish or flax seed, the actual amount of omega-3 present in wild game meat is pitiful. A serving of venison will get you about 100mg of it – Salmon has over 10x the amount.

      Those that are concerned with inflammation should avoid read meat altogether and load up on leafy green, like kale and spinach. Or, have a little sanity (and enjoy food) and balance out meals – Have a modest sized steak with a bunch of greens and other veggies on the side.

      October 29, 2010 at 14:39 | Report abuse |
    • FACTCHECK REVIEW CENTER

      NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC:

      The individual identified as "Karla" has been found posting misleading and/or falsified information.

      This is a known perpetrator which has been found disbursing incorrect information and items potentially damaging to people's health while claiming to be a "Nutritionist" and is currently the subject of an investigation regarding their activities. Including these items.

      User identified as "KARLA" wrote: "as a nutritionist I can tell you few actually thrive on a vegetarian/vegan diet."=FALSE STATEMENT. On the contrary, it has now been found that some of the longest living and healthiest people in the world have been found in areas called "BLUE ZONES". These are pockets of populations around the world where the citizens follow similar dietary practices as well as lifestyles and have been found to have some of the longest living people on earth, some living as centenarians, well beyond 100+ years old. An example of this is the entire community of people living in Loma Linda, a community of Seventh Day Adventists, who live on average multiple years longer than the rest of the population and has some of the longest living people in the entire nation. Their diet is VEGETARIAN! Not just thriving, but a standout as far as their amazing longevity which has dumbfounded scientists. Other Blue Zones include the Hunzas of Tibet. Once again, living among the longest on the face of the earth, and this population has been found to be nearly entirely on a VEGETARIAN Diet. Keep in mind, the Hunza society has existed for over 5,000 years. (Thus, any person caught attempting to disburse falsified information that one will 'die' due to a vegetarian diet, or the lack of anything therin is heretofore debunked. If such were the case, a population consisting of nearly all individuals on a vegetarian diet would not be extant for 1,000 years. But not only that, this conclusively confirms that not only 1-thousand years, but for over 5,000 years, one of the longest remaining societies on earth. And not simply that, but were found to have some of the longest lifespans on the planet. Other bluezones include Okinawa in Japan, Sardinia, and others. The population in Okinawa Japan was once again found to be nearly devoid of red meat. Mainly only fish was present in the longest living persons in Japan. (But keep in mind, this is now no longer the case for Fish. These people had been eating fish from a point in time nearly a century ago. That fish they had mainly ingested was prior to much of the buildup of toxic chemical pollutants from the industrial revolution, and different than the fish of today. Thus, it is NO LONGER valid to think or state that fish is still healthy today. On the contrary, unlike 100 years ago, the waters are now confirmed so polluted with methyl mercuric poison, toxaphenes, brominated flame retardants, polychlorinated biphenyls, and even pernicious DIOXIN compounds, that much of the plantet's fish is now decreed unfit for human consumption. Do not jump to the conclusion that fish is healthy from this, fish from 100 years ago is not the same as what you are ingesting today in the 21st century, which has now been found to damage human health.) Another blue zone is in Sardinia. This pocket of centenarians and logest living persons on earth also has the same result. Although this group is not wholly vegetarian, this group follows an even more strict version of what is called the 'mediterranean diet' which once again happens to shun and eschew Red Meat. These people avoid red meat. It is regarded as unwanted and most of the persons eat a partially vegetarian diet, and ingest only the smallest bits of meat a few scarce times per year at religious holidays and special incidents. The 1 item seen across all of these populations consistently is a near Vegetarian Diet. These are the longest living, healthiest people on earth. With some living well over 100+ years old, reduced levels of many diseases, remarkable rarities of heart disease and some of the lowest incidences of Cancer. You can confirm this yourself and inform yourself, simply put "Blue Zones Loma Linda centenarians vegetarian" into Google in order to obtain a wealth of information regarding the fact that the vegetarian diet not only results in thriving, but also in some of the longest existent and longest living healthiest people on the face of the earth.) Even the ADA American Dietetic Association now recommends a Vegetarian diet. And that includes the ADA recommending Vegetarian diets for pregnant women, vegetarian diet for teens, children, adults, athletes, bodybuilders, and adults. Look it up. View the AMERICAN DIETETIC ASSOCIATION official nutritional policy statement on the recommendation of the VEGETARIAN DIET. It has found a meat-based diet more likely to be imbalanced and unhealthy, and a well-planned vegetarian diet to be recommended for each and every one of the age groups identified above. Also, be apprised, that the populations of humans around the earth who follow a meat-based diet have some of the highest rates of disease, cancer, heart disease, and obesity. The Masai tribe in Africa is a population which eats some of the most meat-based diets, the Masai also have the lowest recorded life-spans on earth. This meat-based diet results in many of their members dying barely reaching the age of 40, the Masai tribe with their meat-based diet has left them with nearly the lowest lifespan on earth.

      NOTE ALSO:

      This individual "KARLA" has invoked the use of a known scam front group identified as the "WESTON A. PRICE Foundation"=THIS IS A DEBUNKED FRONT GROUP. The Weston A. Price Foundation is identified on "QUACKWATCH" as a lobbyist organization which continuously tries to spew a meat-agenda, for the promotion of livestock cattle farmers and against the interests of human health. This organization was originally formed by a Dentist. (As in one who inserted Mercury, which is known to cross the blood-brain barrier and cause mental and brain damage, into people's fillings.) This dentist went around studying natives such as the Eskimos and Inuit and unwittingly deduced that it must be great to eat meat, and is one of the sources of the mis-information wherein people mistakenly believe today that Eskimos eat meat and fat and are Healthy(THIS IS WRONG). In fact, the Native Arctic people are now inflicted with some of the highest disease rates, cancers, and bodily contamination on the face of the earth. One more time, since people often mistakenly still believe this Arctic native Inuit fallacy: THE ARCTIC PEOPLE ARE NOW SOME OF THE MOST CONTAMINATED, UNHEALTHY PEOPLE ON EARTH. Scientists doing studies of the Native arctic people who have been eating blubber, wild meat, elk, seal meat, and so forth have now determined that the Arctic people such as the Inuit, Yupik, Eskimos, etc are now horribly contaminated and are giving birth to children with horribly deformed birth defects. Put "Methy Mercury Inuit Bluevoice" into Google and look it up yourself, because many people have been told this propaganda that was perpetrated and still erroneously believe that the Arctic people are healthy and they are not. Witness CNN's OWN article entitled "Arctic Diet found Toxic". You can read how eating fish, blubber, meat and so forth has resulted in levels of human contamination from PCB's, Mercury, Toxaphenes, and so forth, from these people eating "wild" "natural" meat that their blood and tissue samples could be classified as Hazardous Waste. The people touted by this Weston A. Price Foundation leader are some of the most unhealthy people on earth.

      Not only that, but one of the primary executives in charge of dispensing much of the so-called information touting and bragging about the benefits of meat and telling people that it was safe to eat, healthy for the heart, and that meat didn't cause any health problems, HE HIMSELF, the individual AT the very Weston A. Price Foundation DIED, of heart disease, at the age of not much beyond 43 years old. Once again, the very person at the known Quack group Weston A. Price Foundation which has been exposed as a debunked unreliable source of pushing meat propaganda telling millions of unwitting people that the vegetarian diet was all bad and that meat was healthy for you, himself DIED of cardiac disease near the age of 40.

      Thus, any time you observe any person attempting to tout the "Weston A. Price" foundation, you can immediately regard their entire post as debunked, and any person citing it is immediately discredited and their comments can be thrown out as unreliable.

      LOOK HERE FOR "WESTON A. PRICE FOUNDATION" listed as an offender on QUACKWATCH as a debunked scam-based organization:
      http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

      VEGETARIAN DIET: Vegetarian diets are now whole-heartedly recommened by the ADA and mainly result in the longest living documented persons on the face of the earth.

      MEAT-BASED DIET: Meat-based diets, including those with so-called "wild" meats which can be infected with Ticks, Lyme disease, prions, trichinella parasites, Listeria, Brucellosis infections, Meat worm larvae, feces bacteria, fish and beef tapeworms, wild boar tapeworms, etc results in some of the most disease-ridden, lowest lifespans on earth.

      October 29, 2010 at 23:39 | Report abuse |
  5. ozwest

    We do NOT need to be eating any meat. Period. Get smart, live longer!

    October 29, 2010 at 13:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • mario

      Sure lets all sit around and eat straw huh...you must be a liberal terrorist tree hugger huh!

      October 29, 2010 at 15:04 | Report abuse |
    • Suzanne

      Oz, I agree with you, the best choice is to not eat meat at all – I have never been healthier (or more in-shape!) than I have been since I went vegetarian.

      October 29, 2010 at 16:54 | Report abuse |
    • Noname

      Are you manic?

      May 15, 2011 at 19:51 | Report abuse |
  6. becca

    No meat is healthy fo you. The body isn't designed to digest meat well, specifically the colon. Give up the meat and stick with a diet of fruit, nuts, vegetables, and grains.

    October 29, 2010 at 14:12 | Report abuse | Reply
    • FreeRangeIsBetterAlways

      There's nothing wrong with a little bit of meat for those who like it. It's just that most Americans eat WAY TOO MUCH meat and it's ugly meat.

      October 29, 2010 at 14:15 | Report abuse |
    • Cole

      Wait, what? The colon isn't good at digesting meat? That's probably because the colon isn't really a big factor in digestion, which mostly takes place in the stomach and small intestines; speaking of the stomach, the HCL (and enzymes) in there does a pretty damn good job at breaking down meat, since, you know, it's a powerful acid.

      Then there's this whole thing about how human beings were hunters and depended on meat for our survival.

      October 29, 2010 at 14:22 | Report abuse |
    • mario

      @becca...your a lib huh.

      October 29, 2010 at 15:03 | Report abuse |
    • Seraphim0

      Becca- incorrect. The human species is omnivore, we are designed for consumption of both plant matter and flesh. In fact, we can't actually digest a good portion of plant matter. Cellulose, etc. Your logic is unsound. Plus, the fact that people MUST take supplements when on a vegetarian or vegan diet, this means that it is NOT a natural means of survival for the human species.

      Mario- I'm a liberal and I love medium rare steak, potatoes, and other heavy foods. What does being liberal have to do with food choice? Or are you just trying to Troll? I know vegan republicans. What's your point?

      October 29, 2010 at 16:35 | Report abuse |
    • Suzanne

      Honestly... I think it's about listening to your body. I was a dyed-in-the-wool meat-eater for the longest time – I still get a little crazy when I smell steak on the grill – but I went veg at the beginning of this year as sort of an experiment, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that everything – my digestion, my cholesterol, my weight, my energy level – improved. I'll never go back to eating meat again. Might not be the same for everyone, but that's how it worked out for me!

      October 29, 2010 at 16:57 | Report abuse |
    • bdfb

      You are mistaken. Please study human biology not internet rumors.

      October 29, 2010 at 17:35 | Report abuse |
  7. FreeRangeIsBetterAlways

    Free range beef is also more akin to wild game than corn fattened feed lot beef as well. The real problem with red meat lies in the way it is raised by factory farms and feed lots. And a good head shot will spare the lead poisoning issue.

    October 29, 2010 at 14:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  8. CDV99574

    Nothing is mentioned about moose meat??? As a family living in Alaska, we hunt for subsistence purposes, living off of moose and deer meant and Copper River Salmon. There's a HUGE difference between "sport" hunting and subsistence hunting; we hunt here to fill our freezers, not for the fun of it. It's as healthy as healthy can get...

    October 29, 2010 at 14:38 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Parc

      CDV, no doubt part of your health success comes from living in one of the most beautiful places on earth. How I miss the Copper River Delta. Sigh.

      October 29, 2010 at 17:52 | Report abuse |
  9. Jeremy

    Animals are tasty. Vegetarians aren't quite as tasty.

    October 29, 2010 at 14:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Dawn

      The ensuing silence makes up for the blander taste.

      October 29, 2010 at 15:00 | Report abuse |
  10. mario

    Thats why I go big game hunting every year...but if the libs and tree huggers and any other anti's have it their way...they will want us to all eat straw and sing koombyaw.

    October 29, 2010 at 15:02 | Report abuse | Reply
    • FreeRangeIsBetterAlways

      Hey, I am a hunter but I'm also a "lib and tree hugger". Trees give wild animals a place to live and hide, and old growth forests in particular. We should all be tree huggers and environmentalists. Those that don't care are killing all the breeding and spawning grounds of the fish and animals we like to hunt.

      October 29, 2010 at 15:52 | Report abuse |
    • Seraphim0

      Political Stereotype fail.

      I'm a democrat, a liberal, and I have eaten, and enjoy meat from hunting. I have gone Bow Hunting and with rifles. I can shoot with pistol and shotgun as well as with a rifle. I love red meat, as well as leaner foods. I simply eat smart and don't chow down on a raw steak everyday.

      You need to open your mind a bit and step out of partisan stupidity.

      October 29, 2010 at 16:43 | Report abuse |
  11. Steve

    Yup, I will be partaking in venison later on with my family. I love it, and its a great way for us to save money in these trying times. 32 Dollars later pays for approx 12 pounds of turkey meat and 60 pounds of venison, an extra 20 dollars buys my waterfowl license and I supplement goose breasts and duck soups... It's healthier, cheaper, and also promotes time with my family afield while hunting and or fishing. It's an American heritage that is not as appreciated as it should be due to the nature at which game is harvested. Sport hunting has done more damage than any lib or tree hugger ever could.

    October 29, 2010 at 15:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • FreeRangeIsBetterAlways

      I agree. Sport hunting can be wasteful and destructive, but subsinstance hunting is great for those that live by it. Way better than what city dwellers call meat.

      October 29, 2010 at 16:14 | Report abuse |
    • charles s

      I am not a hunter but I agree that hunting is a good sport and that the meat it provides is much healthier than most meat bought in the stores. Grass fed beef is probably as good as wild meat. It is more expensive but has a better taste. Corn is not the best food for cattle and conditions in a feed lot are appalling.

      October 29, 2010 at 16:58 | Report abuse |
    • FACTCHECK REVlEW CENTER

      The user identified as "Steve" Disturbingly WROTE: "I will be partaking in venison later on with my family...... It's healthier"=FALSE.

      SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN: "WILD MEAT RAISES LEAD EXPOSURE"
      "Tests by the CDC show that eating venison and other game can raise the amounts of lead in human bodies" "Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin. Low levels can harm children’s developing brains, causing learning disabilities and reduced I.Q.s." "Research, however, has shown that eating venison and other game meat can substantially raise the amounts of lead in human bodies." -Scientific American

      –Steve has just potentially poisoned his own family and his own child.

      -

      The user "charles s" FALSELY WROTE: "..hunting is a good sport and that the meat it provides is much healthier.."=WRONG.

      1. WILD GAME MEAT MAY BE INFECTED! – Remember, meat in the supermarket is monitored and inspected, by federal authorities, and tested for disease. Meat obtained from Wild animals is never properly inspected, and may be a carrier of highly infectious diseases such as Brucellosis. Wild Animals can be carriers and be exposed to TICKS, which carry LYME DISEASE, which can then be passed on to children fed pieces of wild game meat by their parent. Wild Animal tissue may be infested with nematodes, parasites, worms, and infectious organisms such as Trichinella larvae, tapeworm eggs and pieces, and cysts. You will never know, because hunters obtain the meat and cull it and bypass all USDA and FDA inspection, this means hunters can be feeding their own families and children pieces of meat infested with egg larvae, harmful parasites, and or viral and bacterial diseases. In addition, the meat may be unclean, as it can hacked up in contaminated surroundings such as a hunter's garage. The meat may have particles of Feces on it, inadvertantly squeezed out of the innards and rectal organs as the hunter guts the animal and drops of urine or fecal matter contaminate the meat carcass. Gloves and fecal matter or the animal may be contaminated with teeming ecoli bacteria, listeria, salmonella, Giardia, Cryptosporidium, and other infectious pathogens. By ingesting wild game meat, all individuals can be exposing themsleves, their families, and children to rampant infectious diseases, Toxoplasmosis, Avian Flu, and parasites, including tapeworms. Remember, this meat is Never inspected.

      This isn't even taking into account the horrible number of gun and hunting accidents causing human death and children being shot in the face or body, or child deaths due to gun accidents due to accidents from firearms found by the children in hunters homes and having the weapons accidentally going off and killing the human child. This is just dealing with the number of acts of harm, sickness and death numbering in the thousands from eating game meat.

      "TOXOPLASMOSIS: How do people get toxoplasmosis?" "By consuming foods such as... meats, especially pork, lamb, or wild game" -USDA

      "TRICHINELLA: "Trichinella spiralis is an intestinal roundworm whose larvae may migrate from the digestive tract and form cysts in various muscles of the body. Infections occur worldwide, but are most prevalent in regions where pork or wild game is consumed" -FSIS

      Do you think it doesn't happen? –> NEWS REPORT: "Health officials look into deaths of 3 men who ate wild game meat."
      The Associated Press AP – "The deaths of three outdoorsmen from brain-destroying illnesses are under investigation by medical experts" "The men knew one another and ate elk and deer meat at wild-game feasts"

      REPORT: "Wild game ousts pork as main source of Trichinella."-Center for Infectious Disease Research – CIDR

      2. NEWS: "WILD GAME IS SOURCE OF LEAD FOR THOSE WHO EAT HUNTED MEAT"
      "People who consume wild game have higher levels of lead circulating in their blood." -Environmental News

      "Toxicologists at UC Santa Cruz has now confirmed what wildlife biologists have long suspected: Bullet fragments and shotgun pellets in the carcasses of animals killed by hunters are the principal sources of lead poisoning" -SCIENCE DAILY

      3. PHYS-ORG NEWS: "Eating red and processed meats has been linked to an increased risk of developing several different types of cancer."
      "Studies have identified a number of compounds in meat that might account for this association (Eating Red Meat and Cancer) . These include heterocyclic amines, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and N-nitroso compounds." -PHYSORG Meat, whether grassfed, organic, wild game, deer, or factory farmed cow has now been linked to bladder cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer, breast cancer, stomach cancer, Prostate Cancer in men, and Human Death.

      4. MEDICAL NEWS TODAY: "Meat, Especially If It's Well Done, May Increase Risk Of Bladder Cancer"
      "It's well known that meat, especially cooked at high temperatures, generates heterocyclic amines that can cause cancer," results of a large study at The University of Texas Anderson Cancer Center presented at the American Association for Cancer Research 101st Annual Meeting 2010

      –The assertion by "charles s" is heretofore discredited.

      KEEP IN MIND: It does not matter if this meat was plain, grass-fed, hunted, organic, free-range, wild game, fast food, processed, or factory farmed. As soon as it's cooked, and gets any grill-marks on it, All forms of meat, including organic, grass-fed, free-range, or wild hunted game meat can contain HCA's which are shown to be linked with Cancer. Thus, when it comes to meat, all human individuals run the risk of damage whether it's farmed, organic, grass-fed, wild game, overcooked, undercooked, free-range, or not. All types of meat have been linked to hazardous conditions unfit for human ingestion.

      MEAT IS HARMFUL. WILD GAME MEAT IS EQUALLY IF NOT MORE HARMFUL THAN OTHER MEAT.

      October 31, 2010 at 23:10 | Report abuse |
  12. NS

    As much as game murder is better than natural death

    October 29, 2010 at 15:42 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Seraphim0

      Yes, because the natural circle of life is full of murder. Really, if you look at it this way, then we should stop all those wild animals from murdering each other and make them eat salads. This may sound ridiculous, but it is pretty much what you are saying. How? Human beings are animals who also rely on other animals as a food source. Us killing animals for food (in the hunting aspect, not mass production), is as natural as a lion taking down it's prey to feed its young.

      Stop being ridiculous.

      October 29, 2010 at 16:41 | Report abuse |
    • NS

      The difference is the wild animals dont call it game.. which sounds like some sadist having fun at the expense of suffering of others...

      October 29, 2010 at 19:00 | Report abuse |
    • FACTCHECK REVlEW CENTER

      THE USER "Seraphim0" has been discredited.

      Witness as follows: In response to NS asking the following: "As much as game murder is better than natural death?"

      Seraphim0 FALSELY REPLIED: "Yes, because the natural circle of life is full of murder."

      Notice, that what this means, is, that the pro-meat user Seraphim0 has just CONDONED MURDER.

      This is a well-known ruse, oft used by those like Seraphim0, who push the meat agenda. The typical meat-head logic goes like this: "Since it occurs in Nature, or, since Animals do it, that then makes it 'ok' for humans." -That is a typical example of this meat-head logic. The reasoning used by Seraphim0 and others here, is that since animals, like Lions for instance (his own example), are carnivores that kill other animals and eat them as in Nature, that 'proves' that makes it ok for humans. This is a direct follow-through of this meat-head logic. Now let's take a look at what his reasoning implicates...

      – Animals, such as Lions, sometimes KILL THEIR OWN CUBS. Lions, in Nature, can often murder and kill their own babies. Therefore, according to Seraphim0, or ANY person you see anywhere using this "If it happens in Nature, that means it's ok for humans to do it" philosophy, since Lions kill their own young, that now means it's absolutely 'ok' for a father to murder his own children. Remember! This was his own idea. His statement above, expressing his own logic on this, is that murder is "the natural circle of life". And this is a direct implication of his OWN EXAMPLE: The Lion. This is a common "meat-eater" argument: that "animals do it, so that shows it's 'natural' and 'ok' for humans". This is false of course. And this entire argument often used by meat-eaters is summarily debunked. But take a look at it, because you will commonly see this false argument, and many under-educated meat-eaters attempting to erroneously use it. Seraphim0 here is attempting to state that since a lion does it, that means it's 'ok' for us to do it. However, a DIRECT outcome of this logical fallacy put forth by him, comes after it is also found that LIONS KILL THEIR OWN YOUNG. Thus, according to Seraphim's fallacious logic, if it happens in nature, a human father crushing, beating, and killing his own infant child "is as natural as a lion". = The fallacious 'logic' of 'if it happens in nature, it's good for humans to do it' philosophy used by this meat-pusher can be discarded and thrown out.

      Want more examples? Animals go up and engage in sex, without asking, and sometimes against the will of the female animal. Essentially this is Rape. It happens. In Nature. According to the "it happens all around us in Nature, so that means it's ok for us" philosophy put forth by Seraphim0 and seen by other meat-eaters, they are saying that humans were 'meant' to do it. Essentially advocating acts of Rape.

      Animals cannibalize eachother, eating their own mate. According to Seraphim0, this should be ok for humans. If you are a woman, and you dated or went out with this Seraphim0 user, they hold the belief that 'murder is the natural circle of life" and if it happens in nature, it means it's ok, so they would feel that it would be perfectly ok for them to perhaps beat you to death, kill your child, and perhaps consume pieces of your tissue, "because if animals do it, that proves it's ok to do it." So watch out ladies, if you are dating, or you end up with a hunter and/or meat-eater pushing this, keep in mind that part of their (abnormal) personality includes the natural justification of committing an act of rape against you, murdering you, and perhaps killing your child. Remember, he himself said this. This is a direct implication of the logic and reasoning of this person and similar ilk. SERAPHIM0 DIRECT QUOTE: "the natural circle of life is full of murder."

      So WHAT makes Humans different? Why don't (most normal) humans go around approving of the act of infanticide, and rape, and cannibalism? The reason is because of the exact thing that makes humans different than all else: HUMANITY. Take a look at that word. HUMANITY. It even has the word HUMAN right in it. This is WHY humans are different. Humanity is the capacity to be HUMANE. Once again, take a good look at that word and remember it. Because THAT is the exact word that is the pinnacle of human existence. The capacity to be HUMANE is the very essence of what distinguishes Humans. It is the capacity to care. The capacity to feel. The capability to NOT do what is simply in ones own interest, but to hold empathy for other living things. Human civilization follows civil Laws. Animals don't. Humans have the capacity for altruism, and have a code of what's right and wrong, this is the hallmark of what makes a person 'Civilized' or not. The very act of being able to rise above, and take the high road, and have a feeling for other beings, to NOT cheat, and steal, and not rape, and Not murder others, despite the fact that it may be an advantage to you is the very pinnacle of civilization. This is what is the hallmark of what it means to be human. The ability and honor shown by rightfully deciding NOT to steal, murder, kill, and rape is the very thing that separates the quality of being Human from savages. The very pinnacle of what it is to be Human, is to be humane.

      SERAPHIM0 INCORRECTY WRITES: "Really, if you look at it this way, then we should stop all those wild animals from murdering each other and make them eat salads."=WRONG. -We have a choice. Animals do not.

      Humans have the capacity like no other, using technology, agriculture, tools, and cooperation to do practically anything we want. Humans have the unique capacity to plant crops, grow grains, tend gardens, produce food, distribute it to all in need, literally just about any color, size, shape, and flavor of grains, fruits, vegetables, and foods on the entire planet. Animals dont. Animals DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER. HUMANS DO. Animals do not have the luxury of the choice in the matter, they can't grow crops, they don't have the luxury of producing their own food, we do. Most animals don't have opposable thumbs, they don't have machines, cars, electricity, plows, combines, tractors, nor other items whereby humans have a world of opportunities to do the correct thing, and not only 'survive' doing it, but even live the life of Luxury as well. Animals DO NOT have this choice! Animals are at the mercy of their environment, literally at risk of life or death, and do Not have the option of much of anything else. We do. This is the difference. This is the reason why the situation for what applies to animals, and the factors that exist for humans, are completely different. The same rules do not apply. It has also been completely shown, that not only can humans 'survive' on a complete diet which requires no killing of animals, but those following a vegetarian diet are even Healthier! Those on a plant-based diet live longer, live cleaner, vegetarians are happier, vegetarians are more intelligent, have less cancer, and have a higher socio-economic status than those who kill and devour pieces of meat. So not only CAN humans do it, it also turns out that vegetarians are more fit, more muscular, healthier, less obese, and less inflicted with sickness and cancer from eating meat. Therefore, Seraphim's statement truly IS 'ridiculous' (their own word). And due to the fact that the same set of rules do NOT apply toward an animal that has very limited or No choice in the matter, versus humans who have all the wonders of the world open to them, and to top it off lives to become even more healthy, the ridiculous dictate of Seraphim and his assertion against animals is debunked.

      SERAPHIM0 FALSELY WRITES: "Human beings are animals who also rely on other animals as a food source."=WRONG. This is a false statement. Humans do not need to rely on eating other animals as a food source. This statement by "Seraphim0" is hereagain debunked.

      It has been shown time and time again, that human beings do Not need to rely on eating animals as a food source. Not only can humans simply 'survive' but human beings THRIVE and are even healthier on a plant-based diet! Meat-eaters often become obese. Vegetarians are mainly lean, muscular, and fit. Meat has been linked to Cancer. Multiple plant sources have been linked to protecting humans AGAINST getting cancer. It is now cleanly demonstrated that vegetarians not only can live for years on a complete vegetarian diet, but for DECADES. And not only for Decades, but it has been scientifically documented that many vegetarians live to be Centenarians! Over 100+ years old. The same is NOT true if reversed. A human being CANNOT live on a carnivorous diet! You'll notice, that originally, meat and steak-eaters went around bragging that they were "Carnivores"! Those that were pushing their meat-based agenda formerly went all around bragging and cheering about how much of a "Carnivore" they were! And proclaiming how good their "big juicy steak" was. (Look for that phrase, that exact "big juicy" steak phrase is a clear signal of one of these individuals who are less-educated on the subject of meat and nutrition. watch for them using this phrase.) Then LO & BEHOLD... these self-proclaimed meat-eaters are now back-peddling from that Carnivore phrase. Why? Because it has been shown that humans aren't Carnivores. And a carnivore diet will cause human Death. Take a look. You'll see now, that meat-eaters are now all pulling back, and retracting what they said previously about being a 'carnivore' and they are now all congregating around the omnivore phrase. (Humans aren't omnvores either. A PIG and a RAT are examples of omnivores. Omnivores eat "everything". The word "omni" means "all". This means that omnivores eat things like slop, and garbage. Meat eaters however are now running away from calling themselves Carnivores, like they wrongly did previously, and are all flocking to their new darling phrase trying to convince people that humans are omnivores that eat everything including feces, garbage, rotted pieces of carrion meat, slop, etc like a rat or a pig. Humans are frugivorous, not omnivores, but for the time being, you'll see many less-educated meat-eaters trying out this as their new category phrase, since their carnivore attempt is now proven dead.)

      The fact is, if a human were to attempt to rely only on animal meat as a food source, humans would not survive. Humans not only survive, but wind up even more fit and healthy from a vegetarian diet, humans become sick, weak, anemic, and vitamin deficient, infected with cancer, and heart disease, obese, and unfit on an animal meat-diet. This is a fact. If you don't believe it, try it. Go ahead. Prove it wrong. Eat only meat, for 1 year. This means no fruits, no vegetables, no hamburgers (hamburgers have a bun, have pickles, tomato, and inside the patty its seasoned with pieces of onion, and even wheat and grain, you cant eat it), no sausage ( sausage is flavored with plants-spices), no beer, no wine, these are made from barley, and grapes plants. Actually, to prove it were "Natural" you'd need to eat every piece of meat Raw. Because cooking it is artificial, not natural. Animals don't go around cooking it. Humans have to un-naturally cook meat for it to even be edible. Using fire. This proves that eating meat is un-natural for humans and therefore unfit. Also, remember, raw meat can kill you due to colonies of infectious bacteria living in it. And parasites. Also, even cooked meat if left out un-refrigerated becomes infested with bacteria. Remember, in nature, man didn't have refrigerators. Especially near the equator. This shows that even whether raw, or cooked, meat would sicken, even KILL OFF the human race, due to meat left out in the air becoming infected, and killing the human host who ate it. Remember, even a caveman taking down a mammoth couldn't ingest the entire thing in 1 hour, so this means that meat would be exposed to the air forming colonies of pernicious infectious bacteria, and hatching parasites, for hours, and days. Thus, this proves that meat is an un-natural diet, and would have sickened, even killed off the humans who ate the infected pieces of meat, and therefore a meat diet is unfit for human use.

      Meat-eaters are currently now trying the 'omnivore' position, ever since their "I'm a Carnivore!" silly assertion was debunked. The omnivore thing is also debunked too, but they just don't realize it yet, and are still for the time-being trying to attempt that one. That will be gone soon as well, but it takes some time for them to be educated, just like it took years and they are finally avoiding that "Humans are Carnvores!" line now like the plague. Science has shown that humans are frugivores. Just like the Silverback Gorilla, a fellow primate. 800 pounds of pure solid vegetarian muscle.

      You'll still find a few lost souls going around citing the ICE AGE as somehow 'proving' that since man was Forced to eat meat while stuck on the ice, that means it's man's natural diet.(WRONG). If that were true, that would be like saying that since a group of Shipwrecked Castaways out on a boat in the middle of the ocean were forced to go cannibal, and eat pieces of human flesh, to survive, all of a sudden that means it's the ideal diet for humans or something. Being Forced to ingest flesh, because someone lived in the cold in the North, and was too stupid to live near the equator, and saying that means it's all of a sudden man's ideal diet, makes about as much sense as saying a Cannibal human flesh diet is ideal for humans, because it helped a planeful of soccer players survive in the Andes. Humans were inhabiting all corners of the earth, including in warmer areas, even during the ice age, and humans were Not in danger of extinction due to the ice age, entire regious of human inhabitation were still warm, so it wasn't necessary. Not only that, but meat-eaters go around acting as if all of a sudden there were no plants to eat, and claiming that, yet going on to say how man went around taking down wooly mammoths, and so forth–Ahem. How did a wooly mammoth live all over the place and get to be 12-tons of muscle if there were not plants. hmm? There were plenty of plants. Even in the arctic. Even during the ice age. How else would huge herds of (vegetarian) wooly mammoths even be around, for cave thugs to be hunting at all. Think about it. So if any person ever tries to tell you that plants didn't exist either during the Ice Age or in the Arctic Tundra, that person is debunked. Ask any (vegetarian) mammoth, caribou, elk, reindeer, or moose. Herds of them by the hundreds and thousands. In the arctic. There are so many plants in the arctic that it can support hundreds of thousand-pound elk, moose, and the wooly mammoth, one of the largest land-mammals of all time on the face of the earth. Where these animals are grazing, there are plants all over the place.

      The "If it happens in nature, that means it's "A-ok!" for us to do it" line is False. Animals don't have a choice. Humans do. Lions eating meat doesn't mean that it's good for humans just like Lions in Nature also kill and sometimes eat their own cubs. That doesn't all of a sudden mean it's really "Natural" for you as a human to kill and eat your own child. Seraphim0 is debunked.

      November 1, 2010 at 04:13 | Report abuse |
  13. NEChick71

    My husband deer hunts every year. We end up with 2 deer which we have processed for $260 total. That's enought meat to feed our family the entire year. We only eat venison and do so about twice a month. We eat cow about twice a year. 13 days and counting until hunting season opens.

    October 29, 2010 at 16:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Suzanne

      I grew up in northeast Pennsylvania – hunting and eating deer was just a way of life for us, as there is PLENTY to go around. I'm a vegetarian now, but I did enjoy the various venison steaks, jerkies and summer sausage that we used to have. Shoot, we even had the day off from school on the Monday after Thanksgiving for buck day!

      October 29, 2010 at 17:03 | Report abuse |
    • FACTCHECK REVlEW CENTER

      NEChick71 WROTE: "My husband deer hunts every year...We only eat venison..."

      REPORT: "EATING VENISON (DEER MEAT) AND OTHER GAME RAISES LEAD EXPOSURE"
      "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tested 736 people, mostly adults, in six North Dakota cities and found that those who ate wild game had 50 percent more lead in their blood" -Centers For Disease Control CDC

      SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN: "WILD MEAT RAISES LEAD EXPOSURE"
      "Tests by the CDC show that eating venison and other game can raise the amounts of lead in human bodies" "Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin. Low levels can harm children’s developing brains, causing learning disabilities and reduced I.Q.s." "Research, however, has shown that eating venison and other game meat can substantially raise the amounts of lead in human bodies." -Scientific American

      SCIENCE NEWS: "LEAD IN AMMUNITION CONTAMINATES GAME MEAT"
      "Eating the meat of animals hunted using lead ammunition can be more dangerous for health than was previously thought, especially for children.." -Science News

      SITUATION: NEChick71, husband, family, and Suzanne may now have the lasting results of potential brain damage from ingesting meat.

      STUDIES NOW SHOW THAT MEAT ESPECIALLY FROM WILD GAME ANIMALS, BIRDS, DEER VENISON, AND HUNTED ANIMALS, IF EATEN, CAN LOWER THE MEAT-EATER'S MENTAL CAPACITY, AND CAN BE AKIN TO FEEDING YOUR FAMILY & CHILDREN PIECES OF LEAD PAINT CHIPS.

      October 31, 2010 at 22:02 | Report abuse |
  14. Nate

    To the author: Hunting is not a "sport" if you are doing it to eat.

    October 29, 2010 at 17:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Parc

      Nate, why can't it be both a sport and an opportunity to fill the freezer? It is for most of the hunters I know. (Not directed at you in particular Nate but...) Hunting helps keep the ecosystem in balance and has been part of the natural order since the beginning of time. Why do people always seem to pull the human species out of the environment in which they live. Yes we can and do screw it up but in some case we blend in as well. Bye the way I'm a vegetarian for health reasons. Man I miss my steak.

      October 29, 2010 at 17:59 | Report abuse |
    • NS

      have some respect for the pain the animal is going to feel and just not have the fun of killing it while it is running to save its life.. god save you and your daughter from having to run for their life while someone else is trying to shoot you for fun..

      October 29, 2010 at 19:02 | Report abuse |
  15. NS

    hope all you guys who have fun killing animals dont feel too bad when some psychopath runs after you or your loved ones just trying to have some fun and shooting practice.. cmon be a part of the chain..

    October 29, 2010 at 19:05 | Report abuse | Reply
    • hungry

      At our house, we will be ready. All that practice shooting at animals! Be warned, sleep with pistol under my pillow...

      October 29, 2010 at 19:12 | Report abuse |
    • NS

      and you will congratulate the psycho killer after he gets your sons and daughters for furthering your tradition in an efficient and fun way..

      October 29, 2010 at 19:21 | Report abuse |
    • Parc

      NS, A quick death from a hunter beats a long slow death from winter starvation caused by over population from a lack of predators. Yes humans may have caused that lack so it makes sense for us to fill the void. Why is it more morally correct for a wolf to eat a dear than a human? We are part of the ecosystem too.

      October 30, 2010 at 00:27 | Report abuse |
  16. hungry

    My husband hunts deer, elk, moose, dove, pheasant, the list goes on. We eat very single thing he brings home. I have bought beef maybe 2-3x in the last couple of years. I do buy chicken. It has really helped with our grocery bill. When you factor in bow hunting and reusing the arrows, it is really cost effective. We process it ourselves to save additional cost. Yummy!

    October 29, 2010 at 19:10 | Report abuse | Reply
  17. pj

    My meat diet consists of wild game; there is nothing to this "lead rumor". I was tested and many others here in North Dakota...our lead levels were WAY LOW. You people living in remodeled houses probably have more lead in you than I do. Yes, wild game is totally delicious and healthful. Some doc in Bismarck started this unholy rumor and is trying to scare everyone. Hunters are not buying this crap. Eat moderately of all things. Stop this fear mongering. Our forebears ate meat and gleaned grains and veggies........wake up.

    October 29, 2010 at 19:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • FACTCHECK REVlEW CENTER

      User "PJ" is DEBUNKED.

      SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN: "WILD MEAT RAISES LEAD EXPOSURE"
      "Tests by the CDC show that eating venison and other game can raise the amounts of lead in human bodies" "Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin. Low levels can harm children’s developing brains, causing learning disabilities and reduced I.Q.s." "Research, however, has shown that eating venison and other game meat can substantially raise the amounts of lead in human bodies." -Scientific American

      NEWS: "STUDY CONFIRMS AMMUNITION AS MAIN SOURCE OF LEAD POISONING.."
      "Toxicologists at UC Santa Cruz has now confirmed what wildlife biologists have long suspected: Bullet fragments and shotgun pellets in the carcasses of animals killed by hunters are the principal sources of lead poisoning" -SCIENCE DAILY

      SCIENCE NEWS: "LEAD IN AMMUNITION CONTAMINATES GAME MEAT"
      "Eating the meat of animals hunted using lead ammunition can be more dangerous for health than was previously thought, especially for children.." -Science News

      HEALTH NEWS: "WILD GAME IS SOURCE OF LEAD FOR THOSE WHO EAT HUNTED MEAT"
      "People who consume wild game have higher levels of lead circulating in their blood." -Environmental News

      REPORT: "EATING VENISON (DEER MEAT) AND OTHER GAME RAISES LEAD EXPOSURE"
      "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tested 736 people, mostly adults, in six North Dakota cities and found that those who ate wild game had 50 percent more lead in their blood" -Centers For Disease Control CDC

      DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION: "LEAD BULLET FRAGMENTS IN WILD GAME MEAT"
      "The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources reported the results of a study to determine how bullets commonly used for deer hunting may fragment. They discovered that small lead particles were found up to 18 inches from the wound channel, farther than previously thought.." -MDNR

      WISCONSIN DEPT OF HEALTH: "LEAD FROM AMMUNITION FOUND IN CHILDREN CONSUMING WILD GAME MEAT"
      "Wisconsin Department of Health found the potential for substantially elevated blood lead levels in children consuming venison harvested with lead bullets." -WDH

      NEWS: "GAME BIRD MEAT FOUND CONTAINING LEVELS OF LEAD"
      Studies show that game birds harvested with lead shotgun shells had elevated levels of lead" "Most of the lead fragments in meat are too small to see, feel or sense when chewing it." -CONN DEP OF ENV PROTECTION

      FIELD AND STREAM: "MORE SCARY NEWS ABOUT LEAD LEVELS IN WILD GAME"
      "A team of scientists from the Wildfowl & Wetlands Trust (WWT), along with researchers from the Research Institute on Cynegetic Resources has proven that the levels of lead in cooked game meat exceeds maximum human allowances." "samples analysed exceeded the maximum level of lead.. in meat" "Eating just 200g of this meat ON A SINGLE OCCASION, the tolerable human intake of lead could be exceeded" "The study concludes that the potential health risk of consuming game shot with lead could be greater than was thought."

      SPRINGER-VERLAG: "Determining Tissue-Lead Levels in Large Game Mammals Harvested with Lead Bullets" -BULLETIN OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION & TOXICOLOGY
      "the use of lead isotope ratios has definitively identified lead ammunition as a source of lead exposure" This includes Native Aboriginal First Nations People such as Eskimos, Inuit, etc. as well as hunters. "Analysis found elevated tissue-lead concentrations (up to 5,726.0 ug/g ww) in liver (5/9) and muscle (6/7) samples of big game harvested with lead bullets and radiographic evidence of lead fragments." -Human Health Concerns

      RESULTS:
      LESS THAN 1% OF ALL MEAT IS ORGANIC, THEREFORE 99% OF ALL REGULAR MEAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE US, HAS BEEN FOUND TO CONTAIN UNFIT LEVELS OF HORMONES, CONTAMINANTS & ANTIBIOTICS. IN RESPONSE, MEAT-EATERS HAVE NOW BEGUN TO TOUT HUNTED GAME MEAT. HOWEVER HUNTED WILD GAME MEAT HAS BEEN FOUND TO CONTAIN HIGH LEVELS OF LEAD UNFIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, CAUSING LOW I.Q. & STUNTED BRAIN DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE WHO HAVE EATEN THE MEAT.

      October 31, 2010 at 21:36 | Report abuse |
  18. NS

    what happens to all the fun and big smiles when the tragedy hits home huh?

    October 29, 2010 at 19:23 | Report abuse | Reply
  19. Veganic

    Only flesh eating zombies eat meat. I hope aliens come to earth and shoot you for fun or food. Or perhaps they're too evolved to eat flesh and are more compassionate. The human race is an experiment gone wrong.

    October 29, 2010 at 19:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • NS

      totally with you veganic.. there is some civilization left after all..

      October 29, 2010 at 19:59 | Report abuse |
    • Parc

      NS and Veganic, so is it ok to kill some plants for us to eat? A death is a death no? Oh they don't have nerve cells? Ok so if we make it painless for the animal is it ok to eat them then? Face it for one organism to survive often requires another to die. You're actually trying to remove humans from their natural place in the ecosystem rather than find our balanced place in it. By pulling us out of it you are upsetting the balance just as too much harvesting is. Extreme positions are not the answer. Animals kill to survive. Guess what you and I are both animals too. Lets find our natural place in the balance.

      October 30, 2010 at 00:34 | Report abuse |
  20. FACTCHECK REVlEW CENTER

    ATTENTION:

    The entire posting by the user "PARC" is a known falsitude that has already been debunked. The entire post from this individual can be disregarded and thrown out as unusable.

    Here's why: This user identified as "Parc" has just attempted to use the already-known-debunked line which is often tried unsuccessfully by those pushers of a meat-based agenda whereby they attempt to state something like "Vegans are inherently killers too!"(FALSE). Other forms of this dupage includes attempts to state that vegetables have feelings, vegans are killing plants and they are screaming, plants are just like animals and eating meat, etc etc. All of this is debunked by the following statement: It is easily possible, for a vegan, to thrive and completely enjoy a diet based on plants, without killing ANYTHING. - Huh?! What? Yes. Here's why Parc's entire line, and that of any under-educated poster of the meat-based line attempting to assert that everything kills everything else, and then attempts to falsely assert that everything needs to do that to "survive", or since it "happens in nature" we somehow "must" do it, is completely debunked and ruled FALSE. 1-word: Frugivorous. Learn it.

    Here's the thing: Multiple plants produce what are known as fruits. These are items that a plant produces. Not only that, but in eating them DOES NOT require killing ANYTHING AT ALL! This is best illustrated by an example: Take for instance an Apple. This is produced by an apple tree. After the tree produces an apple, the apple eventually falls to the ground when it becomes ripened. You walk up, pick the delicious freshly fallen apple up off the ground and eat it. Notice that this did nothing whatsoever to harm the host tree. Guess what. It's still fine. You picked the apple up off the ground, ate it, and not only is it healthy ("An apple a day keeps the doctor away!") but it did absolutely nothing to kill or even harm the apple tree, and not only that, to the vegetarian it was delicious!

    At this point, Parc is debunked. Parc tried to assert:"Face it for one organism to survive often requires another to die."=WRONG! This is now proven false. This assertion is now thrown out by counter-example, and cannot ever be used again. But wait, that's not even all of it. Parc, and anyone else attempting this false ruse using things like "everything must kill" so "its natural to kill" so "we must kill" "its the natural balance" etc etc are SUMMARILY DEBUNKED. Not only that, but the trouncing goes even further than that!

    When a plant ( such as an apple tree ) produces an apple, why does it do that? Hmm? Why does it bother to "naturally" fabricate an apple in the first place. Why does a plant go to the extent to make something that ripens with all kinds of red colorful delicious fruit and juicy goodness? Hmm? FOR ANIMALS TO EAT! That's why. What the plant is doing is producing its seeds. Why? To procreate! Plants continue their genetic lines in nature mostly by producing seeds. So why would a plant bother to create a succulent incredibly delicious colorful and delectable fruit around it filled with wonderful aromas and scents and then ripen it and hang it from a branch from the picking and then have it fall to the ground to be harvested? Hmm? The reason is, that it is naturally producing thise items for animals with mobility to eat them! This is the plants gift to us. And this is Nature. This is the natural balance. This is the real equilibrium. Not killing. Plants produce OXYGEN. Guess what we need: Oxygen. Plants breathe in Carbon Dioxide. Guess what we exhale: Carbon Dioxide. Plants breathe in OUR waste product, and turn it into the very thing that gives us life. The innumerable majority of plants do not need to kill anything whatsoever to survive, plants can even live off a rock on a cliff, live in the air (air ferns), and get all they need by absorbing it from minerals and nutrients in the ground, even so-called carnivorous plants can live off water, and fallen plant material as well, and plants absorb our carbon dioxide and turn it into life-giving oxygen for us. That is the natural equilibrium balance in Nature.

    Likewise, it is not only possible, but quite easy, for a vegetarian/vegan to not only survive but even to become even more healthy and theoretically NOT kill any animal OR plant at all! In fact, there is even a name for this type of vegetarian, and it is called a FRUGIVORE! Keep in mind, this isn't just apples and oranges, mind you, but this also includes things like Cashew nuts, Walnuts, Dates, Sunflower Seeds, etc. Even standard vegans can eat Peas, Beans, etc. without ever having to kill the host plant's life. OH, and before you go erroneously thinking that nobody can live off of just eating fruits alone, it's already been done, and there are people living and thriving for years, decades. And not only that but healthy and strong. What? Strong?? –Here comes the usual meat-head query again: "But plants and vegetarians can't get protein(WRONG). Eat nothing but fruits? Are you kidding? How do you get your protein? Plants don't have protein(WRONG). Nothing can survive just by eating Fruits!(WRONG)." ALL OF THIS is False. Here's a hint. What weighs 800 pounds, and is build of solid muscle and protein, and could beat the living tar out of even Arnold Schwarzeneggar, subsists on a diet of fruits, and could toss any meat-eater around like a tiny girl's rag-doll? A SILVERBACK GORILLA. Not only could a silverback, which eats mainly only fruit, come and wipe the floor using your head like a little mop, it also weighs from 5 to 8 times more than you, and is composed of rock solid musculature derived nearly entirely of plant protein from eating mainly fruit! If you don't believe it, go try it. Go threaten a Silverback gorilla and see what happens to you. Meat-head will be turned into "mince-meat" by the little fruit-eating vegan Silverback gorilla and you'll find out very quickly that not only do plants contain protein, but massive amounts of it, and that you just got the living crap beat out of you by a vegetarian. Muscle from plant protein is stronger and more solid than muscle composed from meat sources. Again, go try to beat up a Silverback and find out. Even a chimp is 5 to 10 times stronger than man.

    But that's not all, it can also be argued that the plant is actually "USING" animals. Whilst the arrogant animal is going around thinking he or she is 'better' than the plant, it could be argued that the plant the entire time has been 'allowing' the animal to think that, when in reality the plant has been using the animal by producing things that are appealing to said animal to eat, on purpose, and by doing this, what the plant accomplishes is to have the animal eat the apple, then able away, and then digest the fruit, depositing the plants seeds at a new Location! Thus the plant has actually produced the plant FOR the animal to eat, and by the animal eating the fruit, and carrying the plants seeds far and wide, the plant has just done the very thing by producing the fruit for the animal to eat that is the best thing for perpetuating the plant's genetic line!

    Therefore, the Vegetarian, or Vegan, is actually not only not killing the host plant at all, but by the very act of the vegetarian eating that plant's fruit, the vegetarian is actually HELPING the plant! So a vegan by eating the fruit of the plant can be actually helping it! At this point, the entire meat claim whereby some meat-eater attempts to assert that Everything kills everything else in Nature, and Vegans must Kill plants or fail to survive, or that killing is all that happens in nature, etc is not only debunked, but it is now completely tossed on its head and found to be exactly the opposite.

    October 31, 2010 at 20:38 | Report abuse | Reply
  21. FACTCHECK REVlEW CENTER

    User "PARC" has already previously been debunked on the false "vegans must kill plants" erroneous argument. But...

    Not only is "Parc" debunked, but then he attempts the entire "extremist" false ploy. Here's the problem: Parc and his similar ilk go around bandying about the use of the phrase "extreme" or "extremist", attempting to label any person who is "different from him" as some kind of extremist, or vegan killer=ALL OF THIS MATERIAL BY PARC IS DEEMED FALSE. First of all, he falsely believes that somehow 'everyone' in the world eats meat "like him" and therefore anyone who doesn't is some kind of extremist.=This is FALSE. This is because he does not know the facts, or the world. In fact, out of the nearly 6 Billion humans in the world, MORE people follow a mainly plant-based diet than a meat-based diet! One more time: There are LESS people that follow a meat-based diet, and MORE people who observe a plant-based diet on the face of the earth. Nearly 4 Billion people tend to a mainly plant-based vegetable and fruit based diet, whereas less than 0.3 of the people in the world eat mainly a meat-based diet. He does not know this. What is happening is that he probably lives in his own community somewhere like in the US or the UK and he falsely believes the whole world is like that. Here's some news for you to put it in perspective: The US has roughly 350 million people. If you think that's the 'majority' then you're in for an awakening. India contains nearly 1.2 BILLION people. That means the US represents a tiny 0.25 of just the people in that 1 single country! And guess what, a huge segment of the population of India is guess what: Vegetarian. Now lets look at CHINA. China dominates and absolutely dwarfs the entire population of the US. If you don't know this, wake up. China is verging on nearly 1.6 BILLION people now. China contains many Buddhists. Buddhism encourages guess what: Vegetarianism. And theres more: Thailand, Okinawa, etc etc, and the longest living people on earth, mainly following a plant based diet. So what you believed a moment ago, where you thought being a meat-eater was the norm, and some vegetarian was some kind of rare outcast extremist, has now been turned on its head, and you are henceforth informed that it is actually YOU who are in the minority at the extreme.

    Not only that, but when it comes time to compare other extremist signposts, it's the meat-eater who becomes the extremist. It is the vegetarian who is caring, who is mindful, who cares about themselves, and others, and the environment. It is the meat-eater who is the one who is cutting and slicing the throats of living beings, watching as blood gurgles out of their necks and throats, it is the meat-eater who is gutting and pulling sliced up organs out of the killed carcasses of animals, putting animals in cages, uncaring, unfeeling, minimalizing them, sometimes even torturing them, hunting them down, filling another being with terror as it runs and flees for its life, or fights for the life of its young, only to be shot in the face, and then be gutted and then the meat-eater, such as parc, who toasts, bakes, or burns its flesh and then devours its meat. THAT is the sign of an extremist. The extremist is the individual who thinks nothing of filling a being with terror and fear for its life, hunting it down, shooting it in the face, slicing anothers throat, burning their flesh, and consuming it. That's the extremist.

    But that's not all, right about now, you'll have a bunch of meat-eaters right now thinking they are much better than animals, bragging that they are at the 'top of the food chain'(WRONG), and they are thinking that meat is what is needed for "humans" and that they are the ones who care about "people"(WRONG). The fact is, that it is the same Meat-Eater who goes around saying that they care so much about people, that is causing the most damage to human lives. What they don't realize is that whereas the number of human deaths attributed to eating meat is huge. 5-thousand people a year end up dead, due to food-borne illnesses many of which are traced by the CDC back to meat. Yes, the meat-eater has just facilitated human death. 375,000 people end up sickened with vomit, stomach pains, and bloody diahrroic afflictions every single year, just in the US alone. And what the meat-eater has been touting results in nearly 75-million cases of people getting sickened each year, including children. This does not even include people losing loved ones and going through the heart-wrenching grief of a heart attack, resulting from a meat-diet. Meat eaters whilst going around whinging about B12 which has never killed anyone then goes around and touts Meat which is now linked to Cancers, of the prostate, women going through the trauma of breast cancer, men getting testicular cancer, Pancreatic cancer which is what killed Patrick Swayze, People living with Colostomy Bags because their intestines and rectum had to be cut out. Then theres the link of meat to dementia. Meat ingestion now linked to men's problems, low spermcount, fetal brain damage due to ingesting meat soaked with methyl mercuric poison, dioxins, and PCB's, and more. It is the meat-pusher who is advocating things that are killing and hurting fellow Americans or countrymen around the world. It is the meat-pusher who despite reading blatantly in front of them SCIENCE NEWS: "Eating Red And Processed Meat Associated With Increased Risk Of Death" in black & white, right in front of their eyes, and will STILL not only eat it themselves, but feed it to their child, putting them at risk, and continue to go and recommend it to others, inflicting potential damage to thousands of human beings, including the meat-eater hurting thousands of American's including children. Now who's the extremist? It's the person who is touting and pushing the ingestion of meat which has been conclusively linked to some of the most horrible and devastating infectious diseases known to man, known to inflict cancer on other humans, and sickness and disease, and even linked to Death. Any pusher of a meat-based agenda who attempts to go around mistakenly brandishing about the term extremist is not only debunked, the actual one has been found, it just happens to be in their own mirror. Instead of caring, what they have been recommending, while touting that they care more about people, is responsible for thousands of cases of documented human death.

    Parc's entire posting is hereby obviated and can be discarded. And any and all others whom you might see elsewhere attempting to post this similar ruse, can be summarily discredited.

    October 31, 2010 at 20:48 | Report abuse | Reply
  22. Noname

    Wow factcheck are you manic? Obviously unemployed!

    May 15, 2011 at 19:56 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. Erik

    Whomever factcheck review center may be. I hope when you die in your saferoom covered in white with kleenex everywhere having lived a life similar to that of howard hughes you had some fun along the way. Paranoid schizo person, they do have medicine for your condition. I would rather have died living my life at 40 doing what I want than live to 94 in a saferoom with no exploring ever. Make sure you don't drive a car, I can list a LOT of risks for doing that too. I could have spent much more time "debunking" your mostly paranoid rediculus claims, and spend more time with my perfect grammar, but I have a life to live. Enough time with your paranoia. Live life, its always too short no matter how you die. One quick piece of advice for hunters in relation to lead, use brass slugs and steel shot, lead if eaten is bad, paranoid boy has that right.

    October 29, 2011 at 10:55 | Report abuse | Reply
  24. Spikehunter87

    Wild meat or cow meat, that is the question. I would think game meat has to be better for you, cause of fat content. Deer are active and moving and cows are not so active. I hunt http://www.peartreegameranch.com for deer. I wish there was more ways to eat game meat, instead of cow. I think people would be more healthy.

    November 28, 2011 at 13:25 | Report abuse | Reply
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