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September 9th, 2010
11:38 AM ET

Pediatricians urge mandatory flu vaccine for health workers

Everyone who works in a health care setting should be required get a flu vaccine, according to a policy statement released by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) on Wednesday.

The AAP says the rate of doctors, nurses, emergency responders and other health care workers who participate in voluntary vaccination campaigns is "unacceptably low."

Making flu shots mandatory in a health care setting may not go over well.  When the New York City Health Commissioner made flu shots mandatory for health care workers during last year's H1n1 pandemic, it led to several protests.  According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), only 62 percent of health care personnel got a flu shot or mist during the last flu season.

The CDC does not take a position on mandatory flu vaccination of health care workers, according to a spokesman.  The agency leaves such decisions up to individual institutions to make after carefully considering all the issues involved in implementing such programs.  However, the CDC strongly recommends that health care workers get vaccinated to prevent transmitting flu to their patients because many of them are the most vulnerable to the consequences of the flu.

"Mandatory influenza immunization for all health care personnel is ethically justified, necessary and long overdue to ensure patient safety," the AAP says in its statement.

Flu vaccine is now available in many locations and the CDC now recommends everyone over the age of 6 months should get a vaccine.


soundoff (54 Responses)
  1. OKALH

    As a homecare provider (and long term diabetic) I have gotten vaccinated every year for many years now but last year it took an incredible effort to get both the flu and H1N1 vaccinations. If this is gong to be mandatory (or even not) the CDC or some suitable agency must provide clearer standards for when and how often we must be vaccinated to be effective and our ability to get the shots should be prioritized and provided for free or very low cost. My health care provider here in Sonoma County, CA, Kaiser Permanente ran out of flu vaccine quite early last year, without notice, and then proclaimed they were not going to even try to get more for the season! I waited in line at several public clinics only to find out that before I could get it they were out! This must change if they expect healthcare providers to get vaccinated.

    September 9, 2010 at 12:04 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Blondegeisha

      I was informed by the RN who runs the employee health clinic in the hospital where I work that the hospital will be receiving only 20 % of the required vaccine to vaccinate the health care workers,more to follow. However all of the local drugstores have the vaccine and are selling the shots for 24 dollars. This just doesn't seem to make sense.

      September 9, 2010 at 18:44 | Report abuse |
    • no vaccine

      I've had influenza once in my adult life and that was 18 years ago. I work in a hospital and don't ever plan on getting vaccinated as it would likely do nothing positive for me. Should the unexpected happen and I become infected, hospital policy is clear that I stay home while sick and wear a mask when returning. It isn't a HIPAA violation, it's common sense and that's my plan for the season.

      September 9, 2010 at 19:47 | Report abuse |
    • nursegillian

      Dear no vaccine,

      It's not about doing something positive for you. It's about protecting your vulnerable patients. The injection is a dead virus. Getting infected with the actual live virus is much harder on your body. What are you afraid of? I got mine today.

      g

      September 9, 2010 at 21:46 | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      if its a hcw patient contact situation, why would it be "all healthcare workers" being required.
      forcing those whom it is not reasonable or rational is absurd.

      October 21, 2010 at 10:51 | Report abuse |
  2. Ed

    This is problematic for those health care workers who have had previous adverse reactions to flu vaccines because of a known egg allergy. The injected flu vaccine contains egg proteins.

    One suggestion is that such workers would then be mandated to wear a face mask (without any evidence that this would be effective) but which would violate their own HIPAA rules by revealing the vaccination status and allergy status of such workers. Another recommendation is that, at presumably their own expense, such health care workers would be required to have the vaccination administered by an allergist and would then wait in the office in case emergency intervention is then required. (That violates the Hypocratic Oath to do no harm.) Those over the age of 50 are not eligible to use the nasal vaccine alternate that does contain egg products. Lastly, the efficacy of the flu vaccine runs between about 30% to 70% for laboratory confirmed cases – its not 100% effective.

    September 9, 2010 at 13:59 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Charlie

      Ed: I agree with you for the most part, but if you do have an allergy to the flu shot, you SHOULD NOT get it. As you have stated "Another recommendation is that, at presumably their own expense, such health care workers would be required to have the vaccination administered by an allergist and would then wait in the office in case emergency intervention is then required.", this is just senseless to do. I'm allergic to nuts. What if I followed what you just stated? You do realize that allergic reactions can be anything from simple sneezing to having your throat close on you? Why would anyone allergic to eggs even take the RISK of getting the shot? They wouldn't. I have no choice but to get it because of Asthma, allergies, high cholesterol. But please, don't force the ones who are allergic to it, actually get it.

      To Dr. S: How is someone supposed to be able to DOCUMENT an allergy? Yes, it would be in their medical records, but if an allergic person stays away from what causes the allergy, there would be no records of treatment. Do you honestly think that a person would lie about an allergy like this? I haven't been tested for allergic reaction to nuts, but I have the same reaction to nuts that I have to BBQ. I get sick to my stomach, my throat starts closing, my lip swells up. Since I have been staying away from those two things, guess what? No allergic reaction.

      September 9, 2010 at 15:59 | Report abuse |
    • PJ

      I am a healthcare worker. I cannot have the vaccines due to an egg allergy. Every time I have gotten it in the past it has caused immediate reaction and illness requiring medical intervention. Where are our rights? Take the shot or hit the road? This mandatory vaccine issue is a violation of our rights to choose for ourselves what we put into our own bodies. Universal Precautions, handwashing, good hygiene, and use of masks should be sufficient around patients to protect both parties. I am AGAINST forced or mandatory vaccinations. No one should fear for their jobs due to inability or a personal decision to NOT have the vaccination. Good grief. Get a grip.

      September 9, 2010 at 16:04 | Report abuse |
    • Dr. S.

      Charlie – It's very simple – the person is asked to provide documentation from their physician that they have a history of allergic reaction or medical contraindication. This can be a simple note from the doctor. There does not have to have been a witnessed reaction. NO ONE who has an allergic reaction to the flu shot, any component of it, or any other medical contraindication is being forced to get it. Again, this is not a big deal and people are trying to make it out to be. They are simply required to get documentation from their physician because a lot of people are extremely liberal with what they call an "allergy". Their doctor can sort it out and say, No this person shouldn't get the flu shot, and then they don't have to. That's it. No big drama.

      September 9, 2010 at 16:59 | Report abuse |
  3. Maryellen

    Uh-oh, is this year's panic starting already? Last year it was like, OMG we're all gonna die if we don't get the vaccine! And then it just fizzled out.

    September 9, 2010 at 14:12 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Steve

      Maryellen, How many less than the 36,000 who died from this flu last season would be too many?

      September 14, 2010 at 02:29 | Report abuse |
  4. Dr. S.

    The hospital where I work as an employed physician requires all employees and all medical staff to get a flu vaccine annually. If you can document an allergy or specific contraindication, then you are exempt. The vaccines are provided for free by the hospital. Our vaccination rates are extremely high. And you know what, there are no protests, no major drama – a few people who grumble, but this is no big deal. These "protests" in New York are ridiculous. It is a privilege to work in health care, and with that privilege comes certain responsibilities. This is one of them. If you don't like that fact, perhaps health care is not the right field for you.

    Ed -How effective the flu vaccine is varies from year to year depending on how well matched it is to the circulating strain. Usually they do a good job, but not always. Certainly it is not 100% effective, but your numbers appear to be quite low. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectivenessqa.htm

    September 9, 2010 at 15:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • PJ

      Dr. S., it is a big deal when it is forced or mandatory. All this hullabaloo over forcing people to get the darned Flu shot is worse than actually getting the Flu, which in most cases is preventable with good hygiene and use of masks, AND is treatable. This is like a bad PR campaign that someone took too far "We have 100% compliance with the Flu vaccine, so you're safe to come here!" What they don't tell the public is they are at greater risk by going to be seen and being exposed in the waiting room, or even the grocery store, rather than the health care workers that actually wash their hands frequently.

      September 9, 2010 at 16:11 | Report abuse |
    • nursegillian

      I agree with Dr. S

      PJ, I've seen many many nurses and doctors come to work sick because they know everyone depends on them. They try to take proper precautions but still end up spreading the virus. You seem to have a utopian view of health care. It's time for some vitiman R, reality.

      g

      September 9, 2010 at 21:58 | Report abuse |
  5. The_Mick

    For years, the policy at Johns Hopkins Hospital has been that personnel who will not get the flu shot must wear a badge stating they have not gotten it. I know that I stopped getting the flu after I started getting the shot: I taught in a school with over 2400 students and those of us teachers who got the shot every year tended to retire with a lot more unused sick days than those who didn't get it: maybe that's where the saying, "He doesn't get it," comes from!

    September 9, 2010 at 16:07 | Report abuse | Reply
  6. Meryl Dorey

    It's about time 'healthcare workers' were forced to take their own medicine. Why is it that doctors and nurses can push and bully parents into vaccinating but when it's time for them to take a shot, they say, "Thanks, but no thanks."?

    Let's see them start to run and hide – to ask for conscientious or medical exemptions to the vaccines – exemptions they want to deny to others. It's time for a little less "do as we say" and a lot more "do as we do" from the medical community.

    Oh, and doctor, when you have that adverse reaction to a vaccine; when you develop Guillaine-Barre Paralysis, a seizure disorder, brain damage, diabetes, autism, behavioural and cognitive issues, severe food or environmental allergies, chronic fatigue (should I continue?) don't forget to report that to VAERS so they can reassure you that your reaction is not connected in any way to the vaccine you've just taken and that compensation that you paid for yourself through an excise tax on your vaccine will not be availlable.

    Meryl Dorey
    Australian Vaccination Network

    September 9, 2010 at 17:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Blondegeisha

      Whoa Meryl! As a healthcare worker what in the world do you mean take a dose of your own medicine? Do us all a favor when you are sick,please stay home and tough it out. We are working 24/7 night and day to take care of the public. Glad you live in Australia.

      September 9, 2010 at 18:48 | Report abuse |
    • Meryl Dorey

      Blondgeisha, By "a dose of your own medicine", I mean the vaccines that health care workers are busy telling everyone else they should get but quite obviously are not taking themselves. It is immoral to recommend that others take a vaccine that you yourself do not trust.

      September 10, 2010 at 02:48 | Report abuse |
    • Veronica Hughes

      I wouldn't take anything Meryl Dorey too seriously, she is well into fruitloopery. See http://www.antivaxxers.com, where her bizarre anti-vaccination claims are exposed by the New South Wales Health Care Complaints Commission.

      September 10, 2010 at 02:49 | Report abuse |
    • momof2

      I think people like you shouldnt be allowed any medical help from doctors, pharmacies, etc. You want the alternative way then do it all the way! Your website if full of lies and you are currently being investigated from the HCCC, OLGR and also you have just been done over with copyright!!!! Pull your head back into reality Meryl Dorey!

      September 10, 2010 at 02:52 | Report abuse |
    • Sue-Anne Willoughby

      Is that the same Meryl Dorey who claims that she "is Australia's leading researcher on vaccination" yet has absolutley no qualifications or experience in anything, let alone medicine; who claimed on television that her qualifications are that she "has a brain"?

      September 10, 2010 at 02:55 | Report abuse |
    • Barb Cope

      Yes, Sue-Anne, that's the same one, and she also got caught in copyright theft on a massive scale. See http://www.smh.com.au/national/copyright-breaches-land-group-in-trouble-20100831-14fna.html

      September 10, 2010 at 03:07 | Report abuse |
    • reasonablehank

      Meryl Dorey has to comment over on U.S. blogs because everyone laughs at her in Australia and she gets pwned every time she opens her mouth. Not like here...right? Oh, sorry. She's seems to be getting pwned here too. Carry on.

      September 10, 2010 at 03:15 | Report abuse |
    • Bobby T (of Omaha)

      Yes, SueAnne, that's the same Meryl Dorey who got caught by the Australian Charities Commission in what might be politely called "fundraising irregularities", and faces prosectution. See http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-opponent-risks-charity-status-20100804-11fog.html but don't take my word for it, do some googling.

      September 10, 2010 at 03:18 | Report abuse |
    • Dave The Happy Singer

      This is also the same Meryl Dorey who thinks that if 88% of people who get mumps had previously been vaccinated, that means that the vaccine has a failure rate of 88%:

      http://thinkingisreal.blogspot.com/2010/08/meryl-dorey-avn-damned-statistics.html

      September 10, 2010 at 03:58 | Report abuse |
    • Cath Lovell

      This is the same Meryl Dorey who said about measles and whooping cough in 2009 on Channel 7's Sunday Night program in Australia; "We have a medical community saying if you get measles, if you get whooping cough you're gonna die from it, well where is the information from that. You didn't die from it thirty years ago and you're not going to die from it today."

      Here's the information Meryl.
      http://bit.ly/9N1wXy

      "There have been eight whooping cough deaths in California this year, all of them of infants under 3 months old."

      September 10, 2010 at 04:19 | Report abuse |
    • Ilijasx

      It's a shame that Meryl Dorey cannot restrain herself from incendiary remarks that are aimed at appealing to the emotions rather than evidence, science and facts.

      This is the same Meryl Dorey who has misquoted or misrepresented countless articles in her website, who flippantly referred to the Whooping Cough death of a 2 month old child in her local area as being "supposedly" from pertussis and then went on to criticise the parents for joining the ranks of her opponents (understandably so!) who tried to contact a government agency to find out the cause of this child's death before this child was even buried.

      I could go on and on, but the litany of misdeeds committed by Meryl are nothing but abominable.

      These, and her bookkeeping "irregularities" (which she has also played down to her followers as being pulled up for having the wrong size box for money – or something or other) has incurred Meryl the ire of two state government agencies in NSW.

      The sooner this hideous crackpot group is closed out of existence the safer the public will be.

      September 10, 2010 at 08:30 | Report abuse |
    • cootey59

      Meryl Dorey – American citizen, living in Australia ....... and according to some ..... a complete Fruit loop ... from a Blog by Andre ..... read on .....

      "In short, David Icke wrote a conspiracy-filled article about the Illuminati using vaccination as a means to mass cull and microchip the world population. Pakistan Daily re-published his article verbatim (word-for-word) under a different by-line. Meryl Dorey quoted from this plagiarised copy on the AVN blog, including an explicit reference to mass culling. She added no comment suggesting that the reader should disregard it as a load of conspiracy-filled nonsense or read it for a laugh. Instead she quoted the mass-culling claim then invited the reader to follow a link for more."

      quoted from 'thinking is Real' Blog – http://thinkingisreal.blogspot.com/2010/08/meryl-dorey-avn-lizard-people.html

      September 10, 2010 at 09:18 | Report abuse |
    • Dan Buzzard

      This is the same Meryl Dorey who got busted by the Health Care Complaints Commission. I wouldn't take anything she says seriously at all.

      September 10, 2010 at 15:12 | Report abuse |
    • Tim

      This is the same Meryl Dorey who denies the link between HIV/AIDS, quotes conspiracy theorist nutters on her blog and recommends "homeopathic prophylaxis" in place of vaccinations.

      September 14, 2010 at 01:09 | Report abuse |
  7. Sean

    The rate of "compliance" is low because these folks know better. Period.

    September 9, 2010 at 17:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Sean

    Eat a proper, natural diet, and everyone knows you can't keep healthy. Though with the food supply in this country, that is increasingly difficult. Health and immune system response is about nutrition. Period.

    September 9, 2010 at 17:24 | Report abuse | Reply
  9. Sean

    CAN keep healthy..sorry!

    September 9, 2010 at 17:25 | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Sean

    Just to clarify..I've read up LOTS..and would never get a flu vaccine. If I get sick, so much better for my future immune response. If pediatricians fall ill, they should STAY HOME AND REST. That will keep the kids safe.

    September 9, 2010 at 17:28 | Report abuse | Reply
    • no vaccine

      Sean, the flu virus is different every season so getting the flu won't help you at all on any front but it will make your immune system go nuclear to produce all those lovely inflammatory effects. The virus does nothing to you. Your immune system makes the fever, chills, sore throat, nausea and vomiting in an attempt to eliminate the virus. If you are prone to flus, vaccination is prudent. If not, don't do it.

      If pediatricians stayed home while sick, no kids would be seen because nobody would be at work. Pediatricians are exposed to a hundred or so Petri dishes every day so their exposure and risk are high. They can't afford to stay home due to their patient burden. You can probably stay home because hundreds of people aren't counting on you over a few days.

      September 9, 2010 at 19:57 | Report abuse |
  11. shirley carrizalez

    I am a medical assistant who has only been able to find a job working per diem thru an agency. If they provided it free for all that were required to have it and not be allergic to it , i think more people would be more willing to get the flu shot. I know I would !!

    September 9, 2010 at 17:58 | Report abuse | Reply
  12. C Zenko

    My wife had the H1N1 vaccine last year, and went in to anaphlactic shock. Prior to that, she had went in every year for her flu vaccine. I opted not to get the H1N1 vaccine last year, as i was not convinced the testing was adaquate. With what happened to my wife even if it was a low percentage that tells me that they were ok with sending something out that was not 100% safe, and if the drug companies who manufactured the vaccine knew it was not 100% safe they did not have the means available to find the 2 % – 4 % who it may not agree with. When it's numbers on paper, it seems like a 2 % – 4 % is acceptable, until someone in the low percentage is someone you know. I'm not opposed to vaccines, but i think if they are not 100% sure about the safety, then the people who in the health care industry have a responsibility to communicate the percentages and give you the option to test for a possible reaction. It is more expensive to test, but imagine if it was someone close to you who had a reaction. It is impossible to say everything is 100% safe, anyone in the medical industry trying to convince me i needed my H1N1 and that it it totally safe was very much misinformed, and so was everyone else who was not told of the potential risk. Thankfully my wife is fine, but she was very close to not being fine. Always ask about the risk, and ask if they have a means of detecting the possible reaction.

    September 9, 2010 at 19:18 | Report abuse | Reply
    • no vaccine

      Nothing is 100% safe. People die taking a normal dose of Tylenol and there's NOTHING wrong with the Tylenol. People slip, fall and crack their head open in their kitchen or bathroom. Is the floor 100% safe? No. Practically, yes it is. The H1N1 vaccine was perfectly safe for the vast majority of people who received it. Somebody's always going to die getting something. Can you test for sensitivity first? Not really. Your wife would have gone anaphalactic on 1/10 the dose just as the full dose. She was unlucky to experience that but being newly educated, make sure she's got an epi pen wherever she goes because anaphalaxis to one thing means potential anaphalaxis to other things. You are now educated and she survived an unlucky experience. Count your blessings and eyes forward.

      September 9, 2010 at 20:05 | Report abuse |
  13. bob

    "It fizzled out last year"
    Isn't that the intended consequence of a vaccine?

    I've been taking 10,000 iu vit d per day for about year. First year that I didn't get major cold in February. 5,000 per day cured my 10 year old daughter's asthma. No more inhalers for her. Would've laughed in their face if someone told me this about vit. d a few years back.

    September 10, 2010 at 00:19 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. peggy

    I am an RN with Type II diabetes. There is no way I would cooperate with mandatory vaccinations. Sorry, I don't trust the drug companies. And as for the doctor's groups that are calling for it... show us your affiliations. Drug studies? Please! Who conducted it? And if vaccination is made mandatory... I want to know the name of the drug company, lot number, etc and who made it mandatory so I (or my family) can sue down the road when whatever problems it causes is discovered. Health care workers are not stupid... we have access to all the drug recall info.

    September 10, 2010 at 00:51 | Report abuse | Reply
    • momof2

      Wow, your like hte kind of person that would trip over and blame the vaccine! After a bit of money are we? Pathetic, if you truely are a RN you would know that the information on the companies, lot numbers , etc are on the bottle that you can glady ask for when you go in for your shot. stop being a money hungry grubber!

      September 10, 2010 at 02:47 | Report abuse |
  15. smartmom

    Health workers in this country are also "citizens" if I'm not mistaken and should have "rights" to make their own decisions and should not be forced to forfeit "consent" and be forcibly medicated, harrassed or abused by their employer or the government.

    September 10, 2010 at 01:12 | Report abuse | Reply
  16. Rich

    The shots don't work!
    Stop believing the lies and research unbiased facts or just ask around to your friends and family. Guaranteed the ones that got the shot ended up with the flu more often.

    September 10, 2010 at 01:40 | Report abuse | Reply
    • medicalstudent

      but rich, ive had the flu shot for the last 5 yrs, and i haven't had the flu, in the last 5 years!
      does this mean i must be the exception to the rule of "Guatanteed the ones that got the shot ended up with the flu more often".

      September 10, 2010 at 04:18 | Report abuse |
    • Ilijasx

      Rich, asking around is not more factual than science.

      September 10, 2010 at 20:07 | Report abuse |
  17. Julian Frost

    @ Rich:
    "The shots don't work!
    Stop believing the lies and research unbiased facts or just ask around to your friends and family. Guaranteed the ones that got the shot ended up with the flu more often."
    BS, Sunshine. The years I've had the flu shots, I haven't developed the flu.

    September 10, 2010 at 07:42 | Report abuse | Reply
    • RIch

      Sure Julian, I believe the only BS out there is people like you that come on here with your faux statements. The truth of my staements will ring true with the majority while your justification for your foolish actions is just sad

      September 10, 2010 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
  18. Terri

    There is absolutely NO proof vaccines work. Please point me to just ONE double blind study... you won't find ANY. If you do any research at all on diseases there is concrete proof all major diseases were on the decline before any vaccine campaign began. Clean water and living conditions were the main reasons diseases have faded. Antibodies do not equate to immunity. You will find this paragraph in all flu vaccine inserts. “Specific levels of HI antibody titers post-vaccination with inactivated influenza virus vaccine have not been correlated with protection from influenza virus. In some human studies, antibody titers of 1:40 or greater have been associated with protection from influenza illness in up to 50% of subjects.”

    What that paragraph says, is that the vaccine only works in half, or less, of those individuals who attain the specified level of seroconversion after vaccination. The FDA defines seroconversion as achieving an antibody titer of 1:40. This means that IF a vaccine was 100 percent effective at achieving this level of seroconversion, it would only protect up to 50 percent of the recipients of the vaccine. Of course they won’t advertise this.

    But none of the vaccines are 100 percent effective at achieving seroconversion (FACT). That means that, at best, their vaccine works in one out of every four people! According to the CDC’s own website they claim the flu vaccine saves lives, here is evidence to the contrary. Again this information can be verified on the CDC’s own website.
    In the history of flu vaccines, there were two years in which the formulated flu vaccine was a total mismatch to the widely-circulating influenza that made people sick. These years were 1968 and 1997. In both of these years, the vaccine was a completely mismatch for the circulating virus. In effect, nobody was vaccinated! [Knowing this, if the vaccine itself was effective at reducing death rates, then we should have once again seen a huge spike in the death rates during these two years, right? Seriously, if the vaccine reduces death rates by 50% as is claimed by vaccine manufacturers, then these two years in which the vaccine completely missed the mark should have seen huge spikes in the winter death rates, right? But what really happened was… nothing. Not a blip. Not a spike. Nothing. The death rates didn’t rise at all. If vaccines really worked to save lives, then the more people you vaccinate, the lower death rates you should see, right? But that’s not the case. Back in 1989, only 15 percent of over-65 people got vaccinated against the flu. But today, thanks to the big vaccine push, over 65 percent are vaccinated. And yet, amazingly, death rates among the elderly have not gone down during the flu season. In fact, they’ve gone up!

    September 10, 2010 at 09:24 | Report abuse | Reply
    • threeballedalien

      So what you're saying is, the Polio and Small Pox vaccines didn't work? Tell that to the people who functioning today because of those vaccines.

      September 10, 2010 at 10:40 | Report abuse |
    • RIch

      The story is about flu vaccines, not polio/ small pox. Theat is what Terri was refering to... try to stay on topic.
      Terrri- I hope Julian who posted reads your post, very well put. unfortunately some sheep will not want to use reason on this matter.

      September 10, 2010 at 13:33 | Report abuse |
  19. Mike

    As a hospital pharmacist, I can find no compelling evidence to convince me to get a yearly flu vaccine. Although most guidelines (and some, I admit, I do agree with) recommend certain patients get an annual influenza vaccine (and pneumococcal vaccine, though not annually), if you look deeper, this is mostly a push from drug companies to further increase profits from a product that many patients would normally not get if there wasn't a yearly fear created by the media about influenza. The government calls upon these companies to produce certain numbers of these vaccines each year, which the government agrees to buy. So, to ensure that most of these vaccines are used, they are place in various disease-state guidelines, in my opinion.

    September 10, 2010 at 12:16 | Report abuse | Reply
  20. cwaldman

    First, I applaud health care workers who stand up for their rights to say what is and is not injected into their bodies. In New York State last year, health workers sued for recognition of this right. Two, as anyone can see by reading vaccine package inserts, a flu shot only gives you about a 50% chance of not getting the flu, and the shots are not without serious risks. Three, I counted twelve ad hominem attacks against Meryl Dorey, which suggests a concerted effort to smear her good name. Attack facts, not people, please. Moreover, allegations are not proof. Meryl's group, the AVN, stands virtually alone, it seems, in Australia, for the proposition that parents have a right to know the full pros and cons, all adverse risks, associated with vaccines, full informed consent or refusal. Why is that a bad thing?

    September 10, 2010 at 19:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • momof2

      ROFL You are wrong on so many levels! Meryl dorey does NOT have a good name. Her Website if filled of cherry picking WRONG information, she has had a run in with the HCCC, she was fundraising without a charity license, she fund raised for things that didnt exist. She also copyrighted and sold other peoples materials in which one authour has told publically that the material Meryl Dory took and sold was 15 years old and not based on todays findings. We are attacking facts, "network" is an anti vaxx network it does NOT show both sides to vaccines, she is also selling her serivces to give out "health" information, she has no degree in health services!!

      I see you do not attack Meryl for the long tirade about autisn, etc, i guess you are a follower and anti vaxx also.

      September 10, 2010 at 20:03 | Report abuse |
    • Jason

      If Meryl Dorey ever *had* a good name, she doesn't have it now.

      By the way, you might want to look up the meaning of ad-hominem.

      September 14, 2010 at 01:40 | Report abuse |

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