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June 28th, 2010
09:38 AM ET

Combo shot boosts kids' fever-related seizure risk

By Miriam Falco
CNN Medical News Managing Editor

Children who get a combination of measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox vaccines in one shot are at a slightly increased risk of getting a fever-related seizure, compared with children getting two separate shots – one containing measles, mumps and rubella and the another containing the chickenpox (varicella) vaccine, according to a new study published in the journal Pediatrics.

"The risk of a febrile seizure after any measles-containing vaccine is low – about one febrile seizure in 1,000 doses" says lead study author, Dr. Nicola Klein, co-director of Kaiser Permanente's Vaccine Study Center. "But if a child gets the combination vaccine, the risk doubles," says Klein.

 Researchers looked at vaccine-safety data from more than 459,000 toddlers between the ages of 12 and 23 months and found there was one additional case of febrile seizure for every 2,300 doses of MMRV (measles, mumps, rubella, varicella) vaccine given. The seizures occurred seven to 10 days after the injection.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a febrile seizure is a fever-related seizure, which can occur when a child has a fever at or above 102°F or when a high fever is going down.
"Febrile seizures are benign," Klein says, meaning they're generally not dangerous. "They are very frightening to parents, but do not lead to long-term seizures or epilepsy."  The American Academy of Pediatrics agrees: "While febrile seizures may be very scary, they are harmless to the child. Febrile seizures do not cause brain damage, nervous system problems, paralysis, mental retardation, or death."

Febrile seizures can occur in children ages 6 months to 5 years, but are most common in toddlers ages 12 months to 18 months, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians. Klein says up to 5 percent of children will have a febrile seizure between 6 months and 5 years, but that they are more likely to be caused by a common cold or other infections.

This combination vaccine was first approved in 2005. "The benefit of the MMRV is ease of administration," says Dr. William Schaffner, chairman, Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University and a liaison to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, the CDC's vaccine advisory board.

It was that ease – a single shot for four vaccines, which led the ACIP to recommend a preference for this new vaccine back in 2006, says Schaffner.

Klein presented early research to the ACIP in 2008 suggesting an increased risk of seizures. This led to the CDC to change its recommendation last year from preferring the combination vaccine to having no preference.  This means MMRV or the MMR plus chickenpox vaccine may be given for the first dose for children 12-23 months.

This new study confirms Klein's earlier research.   This "final result is exactly what we expected," says Schaffner. "This study provides a basis for every pediatrician."

""The ACIP has quite clearly said both [MMRV and MMR plus chickenpox separately] are good – both provide protection."  But Schaffner says if there is any doubt for the parents or pediatrician, "two [vaccinations] is the way to go."

Klein says the benefit of the MMRV is "one less injection for children." Her study concludes that pediatricians who choose to use this combination vaccine need to be aware of the risks, albeit small, and clearly communicate them to parents. If parents choose to go with separate vaccinations, their child will get the MMR vaccine in one arm and the chickenpox vaccine in the other arm.

Although the MMRV has been available for five years now, usage of this combination vaccine dropped significantly after the manufacturer, Merck, announced it would be unavailable after July 2007 because of a shortage of the chickenpox vaccine.

According to the CDC, Merck was taking orders for the MMRV vaccine starting on May 10 of this year and according to the manufacturer, the vaccine is now available again.

The updated package insert for the MMRV vaccine say it "is associated with higher rates of fever and febrile seizures at 5 to 12 days after vaccination," compared with children who got the MMR and chickenpox shots separately.


 
 

 

 


soundoff (185 Responses)
  1. Nathan

    I'm getting tired of all these horror stories about shots.
    It's far safer to vaccinate than the media makes it out to be.

    June 28, 2010 at 10:59 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Neil

      I barely trust the FDA, especially with its many blunders, you think i am going to trust a doctor at face value who is looking for a simple cost-effective and quick means of administering medicine?

      June 28, 2010 at 11:06 | Report abuse |
    • Reason

      Well Neil, you can always just call the local Shaman or grind up some roots with a mortar and pestle, burn some incense under the full moon or just speak in tongues, since you don't trust the FDA.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:24 | Report abuse |
    • Gaz

      ..and I'm getting tired of cost cutting arrogance.

      Vaccinations save lives, and immunizations are too important to be tinkered with. How many people will not now be immunized because of some actuary or administrative idiot? Although available separately, I'm sure there are 'healthcare' providers that will only cover the combined shot.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:28 | Report abuse |
    • flight19

      @Reason...uhm, well, where do you think medicines came from in the first place? From people grinding up herbs and roots and speaking in tongues...we may not speak in tongues any more but the grinding still takes place, even if it is synthesized vaccines.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:54 | Report abuse |
    • Sunil

      Nathan – I think you misunderstood the conclusions of this research and of the story. Nowhere does it say that these shots are bad. It just says that the individual shots are better than the Combo, that's all. You're right though – vaccines have cured diseases ranging from Smallpox to Polio, and their benefits far outweigh any miniscule risks.

      Such ridiculous discussions mostly happen only in the US. The rest of the world is leaving us far behind, as we scream incoherently about vaccines and evolution.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:54 | Report abuse |
    • Ann

      Can we stop with the blanket statements about how vaccinating is completely safe for everyone? It isn't. There are risks. And many vaccine preventable diseases aren't nearly as 'scary' as the profit-driven AAP makes them out to be. This is a great article that helps parents make informed decisions about their child's health care.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:07 | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      I'm a PhD trained in evolutionary immunology out at the Society for the Study of Evolution Conference in Portland, OR going on as we speak, checking out the news during our break... I am curious about the basis of your statement? I vaccinate my children minimally and I certainly make sure they only receive one vaccine at a time, with months in between any others. I certainly disagree with your sentiment and I think if you did just a little research on all of the diseases we vaccinate against you would agree.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:19 | Report abuse |
    • Sherrie

      Yes, it is safer to vaccinate but putting them all in one shot, like a Burger King combo meal makes no sense. They even said the combo shot was approved in 2005 for administrative purposes, yes? What is the big rush? Spread the shots out and let the immune system properly integrate them!

      June 28, 2010 at 13:28 | Report abuse |
    • Easha

      It's funny how they admit to the shots given together giving fevers and stuff but nothing about autism in some kids.....I believe that given all the shots give different reactions to some but not all children.......These shots should be given at different times on different days to give these childrens body a chance to react, if so.....Just look into it check it out....Stop given all these shots to these little babies at one time, we don't know that these babies allergies are yet.....If we have to give them foods at different time to see if they have allergies to the food....We should treat the shots the same way.....If I knowthen what I know now my son life might have been a little different.......IE

      June 30, 2010 at 12:30 | Report abuse |
    • anti vaccine

      No my dear. Unless you have been a victim of this abuse and torture you do not know what it costs or the effects on a life that has been a victim. These vaccines are not necessary, they are a money maker for all, and our government is allowing this to go on. Read Kevin Trudalls book and you will briefly see what a lot of us are talking about.

      July 21, 2010 at 11:31 | Report abuse |
  2. questionauthority

    Nathan....... yeah your tired of it until you or your child is affected.

    June 28, 2010 at 11:03 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Daniel

      The largest danger to your child's health being affected is by not getting vaccinations. Your un-vaccinated children are also the largest danger to infants too young to get their shots. Stories like this, even though they should do nothing to scare people away from vaccines, will have that unfortunate effect.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:13 | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      Daniel, you have no idea what you are talking about. About half of the vaccines that are suggested for children are not communicable diseases. For the laymen, that means the mode of transmission is not human-to-human.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:21 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      Brian: So which vaccines are for diseases that are not communicable? I just quickly went through the list of vaccines, and the vast majority (including measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, Hep A, Hep B, influenza, varicella, HPV, polio, rotavirus and meningitidis) are all infectious diseases.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:45 | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      I don't know what I'm talking about? Well putting aside from my education in biochemistry, two years of experience making vaccines (tetanus specifically), and five years in pharmaceuticals...I'll just go through the CDC's reccomended vaccination schedule one by one:

      Hep B: Transmitted through exchange of bodily fluids
      Rotovirus: fecal-to-oral contaminated surfaces
      Diptheria: highly contageous through contact or aerosal transmission
      Tetanus: Wound contamination (not person-person transmission)
      Pertussis: highly contageous through aerrosal transmission
      Hib: opportunistic pathogen (not person-person transmission)
      Polio: highly contageous through contact
      Influenza: varies, but often contact, aerosol, or contaminated surface
      Measles: aerosol transmission
      Mumps: contact/aerosol/contaminated surface
      Rubella: aerosol transmission
      Varicella: highly contageous through contact with sores or aerosol
      HepA: fecal-oral or contaminated foods

      That's all the reccomended vaccines before two years of age.

      So, Brian, how does two of 13 count as "about half"? Eleven of those diseases can be transmitted communicably. If we toss out Hep B being specious for transmission to an infant, that's still ten diseases your unvaccinated child can spread to an infant which hasnt reach vaccination age.

      On the other hand, if you're complaining about vaccinating children against tetanus or hib...I really don't know what to say...that would have to be about the most idiotic parenting decision someone could make.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:01 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead

      @Doug

      So how does a toddler get Hep A and Hep B? Why the need for a child at such a young age?

      June 28, 2010 at 13:02 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      Wowhead: I think you could certainly make an argument for putting off the Hep B vaccine.

      However, this is not the case for Hep A, which is transmitted either through a fecal-oral route or through infected food. Toddlers certainly eat, so they can get it through infected food. And because toddlers put everything in their mouth, the fecal-oral route is an easy mode of transmission (all it takes is for someone not to wash their hands after using the bathroom, and then touching something that a toddler later puts in his mouth).

      June 28, 2010 at 13:20 | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      @ wowhead

      Hep A: A child can get this from contaminated foods.
      Hep B: A child can get this if an infected individual is handling them and transfers bodily fluids...for example through broken skin, or mucal excretions (snot, saliva).

      June 28, 2010 at 13:23 | Report abuse |
    • Jamie

      Yes, I agree.....Not many will question until their healthy child has a febrile seizure after the MMR, like mine did.
      I dont consider it "harmless" when nothing has been the same since!

      June 29, 2010 at 12:58 | Report abuse |
  3. Ruby

    And I'm getting tired of all the damage vaccines cause in children–and adults. Keep in mind that the "horror story" here is narrated by the "experts."

    June 28, 2010 at 11:15 | Report abuse | Reply
    • katetdid

      All the damage vaccines...huh?? Vaccines have brought about more good than bad.

      Maybe you are reading a different article-but this is not a horror story. It's a good informative article about good research that helps parents to make a decision about vaccines.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:59 | Report abuse |
  4. Shelley

    This is not a horror story. The purpose of this article is to inform parents that they have a choice of the "1 shot" quad shot or the MMR and V separately. Parents should be informed.

    June 28, 2010 at 11:21 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ruby

      No, the purpose of this article is to report the increased febrile seizures in the combo shot. And you forgot one other option that parents have: to decline all shots.

      I quit vaccinating my four children 17 years ago. None have died. None have gotten anything other than chicken pox. My oldest, vaccinated previously healthy son became asthmatic and allergic 10 days after his MMR. My second vaccinated one had developmental delays and learning disabilities. My second two unvaccinated are the healthiest.

      Every vaccine carries the risk of serious side effects and NONE are guaranteed to work at all, let alone for any length of time.

      FYI–It is NOT true that vaccines are required for school. Every state has exemptions.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:37 | Report abuse |
    • Bif

      Ruby – Good thing everyone else gets vaccinated so you can get the benefit of it.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:47 | Report abuse |
    • katetdid

      Ruby–just because you are lucky enough to not have an negative repurcussions from not vaccinating your kids does not mean that everyone will be as lucky.

      The vaccines did not cause your child to become asthmatic and develop allergies. The vaccines did not cause your other child to have developmental delays.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:55 | Report abuse |
    • Sunil

      Ruby – you are a fool. Just because one of your kids had developmental disabilities (I am sorry), it does not mean the vaccine is at fault. My child and my friends' children have all been vaccinated and they are fine. Your kids who did not get vaccinated are OK because we are getting OUR kids vaccinated. Do you understand that were it not for vaccines, we would be dying of Polio and Smallpox? Please tell me you DO understand that.

      June 28, 2010 at 11:58 | Report abuse |
    • Ruby

      Oh, right. I was there, katetdid. You weren't, but you know better. It was just a coincidence my very healthy child became sick after the vaccine. Sure thing. It's always a coincidence with vaccines–just like in this article?? Just a coincidence the seizures doubled in those who got the combo shots?

      What I wonder is why are people so hateful towards parents who don't vaccinate. If you believe in them so strongly, then what should it matter whether someone else is vaccinated or not? Are you saying they don't work???

      June 28, 2010 at 12:15 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      Ruby – there is a story about a nurse that was about to give a child a vaccination, and when she went to get the shot, the kid started to seize. If she had given the shot five minutes before, the parent would have most likely blamed the shot.

      Cause and effect is very difficult to determine, so no, we can't say for certain that it was the vaccination that caused those problems in your children.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:22 | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      You uninformed simpletons don't even realize that half of the diseases we vaccinate for are not communicable diseases – they do not spread from person-to-person. So right there, half of the vaccines do not apply to your arguments for lining up and getting the shot, and that's half of the vaccines that you might want to discontinue depending on if the diseases are endemic or not in your area.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:25 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      Brian – please name at least half of the diseases that we vaccinate for that are not communicable. I would love to see you try.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:28 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      Brian: If you are going to call other people names, like "uninformed simpletons", you might want to first get your facts straight. Although tetanus is non-communicable, the vast majority of vaccines are for diseases that are spread human to human – through direct contact, a fecal oral route or through infected fluids. This includes measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, Hep A, Hep B, influenza, varicella, HPV, polio, rotavirus and meningitidis.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:53 | Report abuse |
    • EMily

      correlation does not equal causation. The reason you discovered your child was developmentally delayed after the vaccination was because children with developmental delays begin showing symptoms around the same time as they are vaccinated.

      Besides, the FDA is much stricter than many other countries. Drugs deemed safe and available in Europe, Canada, and the rest of the world are still being investigated by the FDA.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:54 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead

      @Emily

      Vaccines can't cause developmental delay in normal kids. You can't say that for kids whose may be predisposed genetically to develomental delays. Kids whose genetics mutate from an external causation like vaccines, pollution, etc.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:06 | Report abuse |
  5. seabreeze

    There is no such thing as a "benign" seizure. Any seizure carries risks of long-term damage, particularly in children. What a bunch of FDA propaganda-hooey.

    June 28, 2010 at 11:32 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Daniel

      Ever hiccup? That's a form of seizure. They're pretty damn benign most of the time.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:21 | Report abuse |
    • adam

      Febrile seizures are scary, but completely harmless. This is nothing more than fear-mongering.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:31 | Report abuse |
    • Manda

      EXACTLY, Seabreeze! My child, at 8 mo. of age, had a febrile seizure at daycare (caused by a 100 degree temp) that lasted over 15 minutes, and he quit breathing. It took 6 paramedics over 5 minutes to get him breathing again. Feb Seizures are NOT harmless!

      June 29, 2010 at 01:26 | Report abuse |
  6. hoo ha ha

    "Mommy, why can't I get vaccinated like all the other kids?"

    "Because Mommy's a right-wing conspiracy nut who doesn't trust the Government, Honey."

    June 28, 2010 at 11:49 | Report abuse | Reply
    • greylola

      yeah, right...what kid seriously WANTS to get vaccinated?!

      June 28, 2010 at 12:01 | Report abuse |
    • conservative but not nutty...

      Yeah, I thought it was mostly those liberal, granola, tree-hugging liberals who went "au naturale" with skipping vaccines...

      You find crazy nut-balls on both sides of the aisle – it's bipartisan!

      June 28, 2010 at 12:53 | Report abuse |
  7. katetdid

    Yes there are "benign" seizures. Do your homework before posting inaccurate information. This has nothing to do with the FDA.

    June 28, 2010 at 11:53 | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Eric G

    There is no doubt that vaccines have saved lives. Just because it is safer to vaccinate does not allow you to dismiss the risks involved. If vaccinations are linked to seizures, and seizures are linked to developmental delays, it is bad science to claim that vaccines do not cause developmental delays. The FDA knows that vaccines save lives. The FDA does not know if the vaccines cause autism.

    June 28, 2010 at 11:56 | Report abuse | Reply
    • katetdid

      5% of kids have febrile seizures. What percentage of kids have autism? If the 2 are linked, then the incidence rate would be closer together.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:00 | Report abuse |
    • twinmom2002

      Really? "seizures are linked to developmental delays" tell that to my 8 year old son who has had 6 febrile seizures (runs in the family – my dad also had febrile seizures and he was born in 1934) and just recieved his "All A Honor Roll" for making 90 or above in every subject all year in 2nd grade, and by the way his twin sister got the same award and she has never had a febrile seizure. And they have both had all their vaccinations.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:22 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead

      @katetdid

      1 in 110 kids or 1 in 90 kids (depends which part of the US) are diagnosed with autism by age 8. So roughly 1%.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:10 | Report abuse |
    • JohnGT

      Well, they say that 1 in 110 kids have Autism, though they say it is 4-5 times more likely in boys. That means that about 1-20 boys will get Autism (about 5%).

      Also, Developmental delays does not necessarily mean that they don't catch up (or even surpass) their peers. Many Autistic children have significantly higher IQ's than the norm, though they have a problem communicating which is why they are often diagnosed as being developmentally delayed.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:10 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead

      It's still 1% in all kids. Boys don't have a 5% chance of getting it. For every 4 boys with autism you have 1 girl with autism.

      Also, some kids with autism do better with academics. Most have average intelligence. In the long wrong, academics can only get you so far if you can't work with people. That is the major deficiency for people with autism.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:25 | Report abuse |
    • JohnGT

      My Bad – Boys have a 0.75% chance, girls a 0.15% chance based on a 1:110 chance of getting it, and the 5:1 boys:girls ratio

      June 28, 2010 at 13:50 | Report abuse |
  9. Mama Bear

    Well, duh???!!!! We parents and grandparents have known this forever. This is just one more classic example of "modern medicine" at its worst. And, if these mental midgets will analyze this situation further, they will see (what we've known all along) that seizures can vicariously trigger other conditions. Now, does the autism/vaccine link make more sense to these folks????? If not, then they can raise and educate and care for all of the children that have been affected by their ignorant practices!!!!!

    June 28, 2010 at 12:07 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      There is no autism/vaccine link. More than a dozen epidemiological studies have shown that.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:10 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead

      @ksquared

      What are the particular studies? I know that the thimersol autism link has been debunked. Also, the MMR autism linked has been dubunked. Both studies just prove that you can't give normal kids autism through vaccines. It says nothing about genetically disposed children on the border between autism and normalcy.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:14 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      All of the studies that you just listed, actually – studies that take place in countries with universal healthcare with databases on every person's medical records compared those who got vaccines to those who did not, and found no higher incidence rates of autism in those that got vaccines.

      Also, I understand your "normal" child comment – but how can you tell if a) the kid is in fact "normal" b) that something else isn't going to trigger it anyway c) that the vaccines are a trigger to begin with? A slippery slope.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:25 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead

      @ksquared

      Agreed it is a slippery slope.

      What I mean by normal, is kids who don't have the genes that determine autism. Research is still far off from finding these genes. However, it is concerning that genetic mutations are occurring, which are linked to autism, especially if both parents don't have any family history of autism. (In a CNN article about two weeks ago.)

      June 28, 2010 at 13:31 | Report abuse |
  10. KSquared

    Waiting for this article to get posted on Pediatrics so I can look at the math for myself. A 100% increase sounds scary, but when the incidence rate is so low to begin with, it really shouldn't make too much of a difference. It may turn out to be that we dump the quad vaccine and head back to MMR + varicella separately.

    The previous Pediatrics issue has a nice policy statement about increasing vaccine coverage, which I'm hoping with time and good information will start to take root.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:09 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Howie

      1 per 1000 is NOT a low incidence rate! Consider that MILLIONS of kids get vaccinated – that means 1000s of kids have these seizures. Seizures are NOT benign! Even a 'febrile' seizure is still a massive electrical storm in the brain. The damage can be catastrophic, or subtle and long lasting. An adult who has a 'febrile' seizure is not allowed to drive a car for a full year after the event. Benign indeed!

      June 28, 2010 at 12:27 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      Because febrile seizures ARE common in children, not adults. Adults don't get seizures from fevers.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:30 | Report abuse |
    • Howie

      Tell that to my father in law who lost his driving privileges for a year due to a febrile seizure.

      June 29, 2010 at 13:03 | Report abuse |
  11. Angie

    There are some children who cannot be vaxed because they have allergies to contents of the vaccinations; there are people who have critically supressed immune systems because of illness or disease; there are elderly, pregnant women, etc. Those people are the ones who suffer when people don't get their children vaccinated. I was in a drug store one day with my school-aged son, who has had all of his immunizations and is perfectly healthy. In front of us, in line, was a mother and her young daughter, who had an active case of chicken pox. The child had weeping sores all over her body, including her hands, and she was touching everything in sight. It was disgusting to see that the mother had so little regard that she would willing expose others to her daughter's illness. Sure, chicken pox in most cases is pretty benign. But let a pregnant woman get exposed, and it can cause all sorts of horrible problems for her baby. Parents, if you don't vax your kids, at least have some regard for public health and keep them home when they are ill.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ann

      People should stay home when they are ill, whether they are vaccinated or not. Even vaccinated children can get sick, with vaccine preventable diseases.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:14 | Report abuse |
    • ScienceExistsForAReason

      Amen.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:18 | Report abuse |
    • Mama Bear

      NOTE TO ANGIE: Ignorance is a pandemic in this country, and narcissism is close behind.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:24 | Report abuse |
    • Kraznodar

      That mother may not have had a choice other than to bring the infected child out in public. That mother may have been exhausted taking care of a sick child and not have the energy reserves to try and make a child behave unnaturally. Life sucks and if you are lucky, then you die.

      June 28, 2010 at 17:22 | Report abuse |
  12. John

    What smells funny is that this report is NOT due Kaiser Permanente's highly advertised EMR enabling this "discovery." Instead, it is from data collected in one Kaiser's old systems that was developed in the early 1990s. The "new" - and billions of dollars over budget Kaiser EMR - can't even calculate the dates properly to schedule childhood immunizations.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:11 | Report abuse | Reply
  13. greylola

    My daughter is 3 now, and is up to date now with her vaccines. I spaced everything out for her, and waited longer for her mmr, I think she got it at 18 months. I never introduced more than one vaccine that she hadn't had before at the same time, so if she had a side effect I could pin point the cause. I prioritized everything. I didn't like the risk associated with the Dtap one, BUT since young children in my area were in the hospital sick, I decided her chance of getting sick were higher than an ill effect from the shot... my point is, it doesn't have to be ALL or NOTHING, you can just do what you are comfortable with, do your homework, and make sure your sources are reliable. I like going to the VEARS website and coming to my OWN conclusions. IT's more work to not be a sheep, (in either direction) but these are YOUR children, and you should be informed about the decisions you are making for them. At my DR office, I do not pay a co-pay to see a nurse for a shot.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:13 | Report abuse | Reply
  14. ScienceExistsForAReason

    Ruby, you could be walking through an airport, on your way home from the nice, anitseptic US of A kiddie favorite Disneyworld, with your kids, and on that walk through Terminal A, you pass a family on their way home from Sweden. Their kid coughs, breathes, whatever, in the same airspace as one of yours kid, and that yet-to-show-symptoms kid just gave yours the whooping cough. Your kids go back to school, show and tell their new Mickey ears, let other kids try them on, and then that many MORE are exposed... carrying it on exponentially. Three weeks later, your ignorance has killed 2 children. But hey, you don't care, so long as your kid doesn't have to go to Sylvan Learning Center to get extra help.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:16 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ruby

      You think people contract illnesses that quickly, that your state of health to begin with has nothing to do with whether you get sick? You think everyone is equally susceptible to illness? And you already decided that two kids would die over a hypothetical situation?

      Get your vaccines if you are so worried. I'm more worried about the reactions since they've happened to my family.

      Don't forget–if I didn't believe in vaccines earlier, I wouldn't have had kids react to them. I didn't start out against vaccines. I was just like you, with my head in the sand.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:38 | Report abuse |
    • JohnGT

      It's really amazing that the human race didn't get wiped out before vaccines!!!

      Vaccines are un-natural to the human body, and we were not designed to be able to handle them. Is it so hard to believe that maybe in some individuals, there could be adverse effects? This study just proves by throwing all of these vaccines into the immune system all at once increases the chances of side effects. Is that really so hard to believe that if you ask your immune system to work harder that it may not be able to handle it?

      June 28, 2010 at 13:41 | Report abuse |
  15. BR

    What seemed most valuable but that was left out, such thorough reporting CNN.com, was was to DO if your child suffers this type of seizure, regardless why it occurs. Being prepared will save you $ from an ER visit...trust me.

    http://firstaid.webmd.com/seizures-and-fever-treatment

    June 28, 2010 at 12:17 | Report abuse | Reply
  16. fenimola

    I never allowed my kids to be vaccinated with multiple vaccines. I have always asked for single injections. In fact, my kids were not vaccinated until they were 5 years old, prior to entering public school.
    I tried to get my daughter to do the same, she was a new mom, wanted to things the way her doctor wanted – which is fine, however, my grandson was vaccine injured resulting in autism. We have worked very hard for his recovery, and I have WAY more annecdotal evidence to anyone interested.
    Now, with her second child, she is going the other way. Which I think is a good thing...
    little children's bodies are not ready to metabolize and process so many outside elements; the medical profession has deemed this a way to leverage doctors time and drug companies profits by giving so many innoculations at once.
    The children suffer, however.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:19 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      A child's immune system is actually far more advanced and amazing that you want to give it credit for. It can handle vaccinations just like it handles the billions of bacteria and viruses we come in contact with every day.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:24 | Report abuse |
    • Ann

      @ KSquared What it can't handle are the excessive amounts of aluminum and other chemicals and preservatives that vaccines contain. A standard vaccination visit for an infant generally far exceeds the determined acceptable amount of injectable aluminum.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:34 | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      "annecdotal evidence"

      You anti-vaxxers always use this term without realizing that it's a logical fallacy. Evidence cannot be purely anecdotal...there's another word for that you know: hearsay. Now, empirical evidence...that's real. Strange how all the empiracle evidence says that vaccines do not cause evidence, but only anecdotal evidence says they does.

      If you want real evidence, look at the Danish study that found (in a study of over 100k unvaccinated children vs over 4million vaccinated) that autism rates in Danish children born between 1991 and 1998 were actually higher (though not significantly) in the unvaccinated children.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:36 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      Ann – the average adult consumes 7-9mg of aluminum every day. The amount in vaccines is a small percentage of that. DHHS has no evidence that there is any adverse effect from the aluminum except in cases where it is inhaled from an occupational exposure.
      http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html

      June 28, 2010 at 12:39 | Report abuse |
  17. tim

    Enough is enough with these shot stories. There are a serious number of people out there now who are unprotected against these common diseases because their over protective parents were scared to get them vaccinated. The risk is so low on having reactions it is still worth it to get them

    June 28, 2010 at 12:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  18. mjd

    You know, if you listen to the CDC and the AMA, if you don't have your child vaccinated and they get measles, mumps, rubella (German measles to us older folks), or chicken pox the child will DIE!!! Such nonsense! I've had measles, mumps, rubella (twice), chicken pox AND adult whooping cough. Guess what! I'm still here and I'm fine! When I was young and a classmate came down with German measles, we girls were exposed to it so we could have it and not have to worry about getting it later when we became pregnant. Fewer shots and more common sense people!

    June 28, 2010 at 12:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      Right, because I love explaining to people that their child died from a disease that is preventable.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:25 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      Just because you suffered through those diseases and were fine doesn't mean that everyone does fine. Risks of having the disease are far worse than risks of getting a vaccine and not getting the disease in the first place.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:26 | Report abuse |
    • Ann

      Thanks! People need to realize that just because there is a vaccine for a disease, that doesn't mean the disease is DEADLY!!! And just because they are vaccinated also doesn't mean that they are immune to the disease. Natural immunity is much more reliable than immunity gained from vaccination.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:28 | Report abuse |
    • Spike5

      Uh, no problem with getting chicken pox? Did you ever hear of shingles? It is a delayed result of chicken pox that can strike at any time without warning from 10 to 60 years later. It causes excruciating pain as well as a serious rash and the effects can last for months or even years. My father had it at 70 when he was already very ill and it made his last months that much more difficult. My 30 year old son just had a bout and was unable to work for several days even taking the latest antiviral medications.

      The chicken pox vaccine prevents the original outbreak of the disease and the later complications as well.

      You might want to protect your children against that.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:13 | Report abuse |
  19. fenimola

    to KSquared:
    You are not educated. You do not th ink critically. If you BELIEVE everything the drug companies tell you, and believe me, THEY are the ones paying for these so-called "studies" you would think that there is no link between vaccines and autism.
    One million children, though, are NOT annecdotal – one million autistic children is PROOF that these vaccines which are preserved with chemicals as well as the combo vaccines, just do not SERVE our children; and in the long run, people pay more for healthcare for these kids – serving who?
    Open your eyes, people. ONE MILLION KIDS WITH AUTISM. Think about it. Do you REALLY believe ONE MILLION mothers are doing similar things to cause this? ONE MILLION mothers have made the same mistake?
    Here's an interesting point:
    we are ONE MILLION VOTERS.
    ONE MILLION CONSUMERS.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:27 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      I actually am educated – a have a degree in microbiology and a masters in epidemiology. I'm saying that the studies that I have seen – and not ALL of them are funded by Big Pharma – show no link. There's math involved here, actual logic, and pointing fingers wildly and accusing other people of wrongs does not seem like the educated thing to do.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:33 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      fenimola, why does one million kids with autism prove that vaccines are the cause? Were those 1,000,000 kids all living in a bubble, exposed to absolutely nothing else prior to developing autism? The high number of autism cases is a huge concern, and is something that should be (and is being) extensively studied. However, to latch on to one possible cause, and ignore all others is both unscientific and unhelpful.

      So many things have changed in our lives in the past decades – increased pesticides, pollution, TV, dietary changes, increased usage of electronics, etc. Any of these things could be causing an increase in autism, so why focus solely on vaccines?

      The simple reality is that if things were as simple as the anti-vaccine crowd would have us believe (that autism almost never happens in the unvaccinated), every pediatrician in the country would have observed this. The reality is that many large epidemiological studies have been done, and none have found a link between vaccines and autism. Vaccines causing autism was an intriguing theory, which is why it has been carefully tested. Continuing to obsessively focus on a discredited theory distracts attention and resources away from finding the real cause.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:02 | Report abuse |
    • Wowhead

      Vaccines cannot cause a normal child to have autism. It may cause it in those who a genetically pre-disposed to autism.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:19 | Report abuse |
  20. mjd

    KSquared ... BALONEY! I come from a GENERATION who didn't get these vaccines! It's called developing antibodies. No doubt you had them all. Are you healthy? Or do you run to your doctor for every little thing. No wonder medical costs are astronomical

    June 28, 2010 at 12:30 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      Vaccines cause the body to develop antibodies, just like you would if you were exposed to the actual pathogen as you were. Trick is, the actual pathogen makes you sick, the vaccine does not. Same immunological protection either way.

      Yes, I got all of my vaccinations, including a flu shot every year, and no, I go to the doctor for a physical every year and that's it.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:35 | Report abuse |
    • Daniel

      You also come from a generation where infants regularly died from these diseases. Vaccinated children protect unvaccinated infants. Unvaccinated children endanger unvaccinated infants.

      It's because of people like you that California has just has to declare pertussis (whooping cough) an epidemic again.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:47 | Report abuse |
  21. Howie

    Not all vaccines are created equal. Yes, they have saved humanity from many terrible diseases – polio, smallpox to name a few. The problem is, scientists do not adequately study the effects of the incidental fillers -preservatives, anti-coagulants, etc. and they do not study the effects of multiple vaccines in the same dose. The supposed studies refuting the vaccine autism link have never asked the right questions. There is a link, this is absolutely confirmed. What has been dismissed is the idea that the individual vaccine agents directly cause Autism. They never studied the correlations with an eye toward the various combinations of chemical and environment that may, in a CUMULATIVE manner cause autism. That aside, these seizures are no laughing matter, there is no such thing as a benign seizure, any of these can cause brain damage, developmental delays, and even death. The reason so many people are turning away from vaccines is the perception that they are driven more by a profit motive than by a sense of public safety. There is no medical reason to combine different vaccines. The only reason this is done is to make the production and administration more cost effective and profitable. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO VACCINATE AGAINST CHICKEN POX!!!!! This is a harmless childhood disease that is only dangerous if you don't get it as a child and do get it as an ADULT. The vaccine wears off eventually, increasing the likelihood that an adult will contract it without the benefit of childhood exposure. This vaccine will end up KILLING PEOPLE! The introduction of this vaccine is simply another way for big pharma to fleece millions of uninformed parents. So, be educated. Get your children vaccinated against actual dangerous diseases – in separate doses with large intervals between. Don't get the combo shots, don't allow any vaccines made with Thimerosil (despite protestations to the contrary, it IS still being used, we rejected a vaccine just last year after we insisted to see the label – the nurse told us thimerosil was not used any more, but there it was on the actual label!), and don't let your doctor bully you into vaccinating against things like chicken pox that will not hurt your child, and may actually convey a lasting benefit. We are actually designed to get sick from time to time, this helps our systems prepare for the really dangerous things that we may encounter in the world.

    June 28, 2010 at 12:43 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Howie

      Almost forgot – avoid the flu shot at all costs! It does not afford ANY protection, does make many people ill, and DOES contain thimerosil! If you are one of the few people in danger of serious illness or death if you get the flu, the risk of taking the shot is greater than that of not taking it and using other precautions to avoid the flu. For most people, the flu is a minor inconvenience and not worth the risk of the vaccine.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:46 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      I'm actually working with health departments to provide the flu shot to anyone who wants it this fall. While the flu might not be a life or death situation for me, it does protect the many immunocompromised people that I come in contact with who cannot get the flu and who would be in serious trouble if they did. Herd immunity – it's a wonderful thing.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:55 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      Also thimerosal got a bad rap – it contains ethyl mercury, which is benign and is something that we are exposed to on a daily basis without any problems at all. Methyl mercury is the compound which can cause problems. So while they sound similar, they are actually very different, so the thimerosal is actually not a danger.

      June 28, 2010 at 12:56 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      Simply spouting unsupported claims does not make them true. Scientists have looked at vaccines in combination. There have been numerous studies comparing autism rates between kids that got no vaccines and those that have gotten the full set. None of these studies have found any detectable difference in autism rates.

      (And by the way, although chicken pox is generally harmless, it kills about 100 people per year in the US. More than half of these are kids.)

      June 28, 2010 at 13:11 | Report abuse |
  22. Redinaustin

    My husband recieved the MMR when he was about 18 months old. He developed a serious reaction/fever and spent several weeks in the hospital. He has a permanent seizure disorder. They later found out that more than a few kids who were received shots from that same batch of vaccine developed seizures. Most likely it was a contaminated batch. He's in his early 30's now and perfectly healthy otherwise. I received all of my vaccinations as a child and had no issues. We don't have children yet, but plan to immunize, with caution, when we do because we both realize that the benefits outweigh the risks.

    June 28, 2010 at 13:01 | Report abuse | Reply
  23. BobS

    So does anyone know WHY a combo shot increases seizures? No, we don't. Doesn't it bother anyone that we're pushing for people to vaccinate and then finding this stuff out many years later? And then we can't explain it, but continue to develop new vaccines and test them out on the population. Do we need to drag out the list of chemicals and substances that the "government" once thought were just fine only to find out many years later that we were slowly killing ourselves? Vaccine safety is like saying "asbestos saves lives by preventing the spread of fire which kills you quickly, so we're OK with the long-term health risks".
    Put aside the panic and fear for a moment and pay attention to the legitimate concerns of vaccine safety. And then look at the organizations that are charged to keep us safe from diseases (CDC, FDA). Their mission is to prevent the spread of disease for as many people as possible, for the least amount of money possible. Their mission, and their attitude, has little to do with long-term effects as a result of stopping disease for everyone because they cannot test their programs enough without doing a large long-term study. This is not bad policy, it's just the medical reality of the variations of the human body that must be studied en-masse over time. They don't completely understand the human immune system, and are surprised when long-term studies produce results like the one in this article. But THEY are the ones making the judgement (for all of us) that the benefits outweigh the minor risks. I have a big problem with that, and now more people are able to get the information to make this decision for themselves. We need to really understand how vaccines work, and to disclose the true risks. The attitude of "shut up and just get the shot, you're putting us all at risk" is foolish and ignores legitimate concerns. And when a real pandemic comes around, half of the population will not trust the government because of how they're handling our concerns and the other half will be pushing through another "quick fix" vaccine with limited testing. Just take a look at the numbers from H1N1.

    June 28, 2010 at 13:19 | Report abuse | Reply
  24. saddened

    This article, and many of the comments that have followed, truly sadden me. Vaccination is one of the most amazing scientific breakthroughs ever conceived, and this is how they are regarded... You people saying the diseases like chicken pox are harmless don't realize that even HUNDREDS of people die annually from chicken pox, just here in the USA. How is this considered harmless? Some of the other diseases were much more lethal. Part of the problem here is that if you choose not to vaccinate your children then you are weakening "herd immunity" which is one of the reasons why other people get so incensed over the issue. If the decision only affected your family, I would be happy to let Darwinism play out...

    June 28, 2010 at 13:22 | Report abuse | Reply
  25. Credentials? anyone?

    Am I the only one reading and posting who has a medical degree? I had to take classes like Virology, Immunology and Epidemiology to receive my doctorate... classes that actually explain viruses (their components, how they replicate and are contagious), how the immune system works (natural vs acquired immunity), and how communicable diseases are transmitted as well as contained through a population segment. I did see a couple of posters who have advanced medical-science degrees...these posters seemed to understand the importance of vaccination.
    Before anyone posts, why not state what you are basing your opinion on? If you have a non-medical/science background and just want to throw out anecdotal evidence (hearsay) that's fine, just realize it's not necessarily TRUE. Empirical evidence published in a peer-reviewed journal is how medicine truly advances. Yes, many studies (for ANYTHING) are organized by lobbying organizations (ie Big Pharma, AARP, Big Tobacco), but there are many, many others sponsored by true researchers. The important key is to do your research and rely on the non-biased studies.
    And me...I'm vaccinated and so is my child.

    June 28, 2010 at 13:22 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ruby

      I'm basing my opinion on experience and on 17 years of researching vaccines. Parents have the right to informed consent regarding all medical procedures done on their children. It's no different for vaccines. We are perfectly capable of reading and thinking, and a medical degree is NOT required to use your common sense. And it is common sense to be cautious about injecting your children with toxic materials.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:29 | Report abuse |
  26. Cindy

    Every one loves to hold up the shining example of Polio for how great and miraculous vaccines are, yet at the same time that the vaccine was being proliferated, hygine became in vogue... mandatory even. Indoor plumbing, learning that you SHOULN't put your outhouse uphill from your water supply, etc. I see people wandering the slumbs of Mumbia next to open sewars pushing the polio vaccine and I wonder how long till a resistant strain pops up since they are not addressing the cause, only the symptom.

    And to you peeps who think that an unimunized person is unclean some how: Do you think that we walk around with all of these pathogens latent in our systems until the "miricle" vaccine is injected? Your statements make no sense. The other thing that makes me leary is the allergens included in these vaccines. Can you imagine if they used something more common like peanuts in vaccines!

    We need to look at the causes, like hygene, overly hygenic conditions which carry their own unique set of issues, crap in our food that reduces immunology. Lack of mother to baby passed immunity through natural feeding of infants. (We do not feed them our breasts!)

    Oh and if your child gets chicken pox even after being vaccinated, it has nothing to do with someone else's child who wasn't vacinated but maybe had it naturally, it's because the vacine FAILED!!!

    June 28, 2010 at 13:26 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      Actually the really terrible effects of polio were ASSISTED by the development of hygiene – another case of being exposed to a pathogen later that makes the disease worse.

      June 28, 2010 at 13:34 | Report abuse |
  27. Double G

    Febrile seizers occur when the childs temperature changes quickly over a short period of time. The article states that "a febrile seizure is a fever-related seizure, which can occur when a child has a fever at or above 102°F or when a high fever is going down". The CDC states the following, Febrile seizers "are most common with fevers that get up to 102°F (38.9°C) or higher, but can also occur at lower temperatures or when a high fever is going down." There is a slight inaccuracy in the article on that point.

    Two of my three children have had febrile seizers (one had 3, the other had 4) between the ages of 18 months and 3 years. I don't believe they were related to immunizations. However, they are extremely frightening for a parent, and the article seems to dismiss the urgency of medical attention. Imagine your child being non-responsive, shaking, with eyes open for two minutes or more.

    I would like to make the point that even though they are supposed to be benign, that does not mean you should not take any action. At a minimum, during the febrile seizer (if you can), I would recommend you call your pediatrician. They will most likely tell you to bring your child in after the seizer has ended, or take them to the nearest urgent care or emergency room. There may be a reason for the fever, such as an ear infection, and if not treated properly, the fever will not go away, and a second febrile seizer could occur (happened to me). If you're not sure what is going on or if it's a febrile seizer call 911. It's better to be safe.

    June 28, 2010 at 13:29 | Report abuse | Reply
  28. Josh

    When the Europens introduced smallpox into the native populations of the americas it, among other things, devistated those populations. At valley forge, smallpox got into the troops there and started killing off the weakened soldiers. Washington had his men innocculated, by cutting open the flesh of the healthy soliders and putting the blood of sick soldiers on the open wounds. it slowed down the intake of the virus and allowed the body to fight it off. the rates of infection dropped from one in five to one in fifty. dairy maids who contracted cowpox, did not contract smallpox and cowpox were used to vaccinate children against smallpox. vacciines do serve their place in health care. exposing your child to the pain of polio, smallpox, and other viruses and exposeing yourself to the pain of their loss is not worth the risk of not having them vaccinated.

    June 28, 2010 at 13:36 | Report abuse | Reply
  29. Oleg

    Another fine example of science ignoring common sense. OF COURSE it's not a good idea to inject a cocktail of multiple pathogens and heavy metal preservatives into a toddler's bloodstream. It may only cause problems with especially vulnerable individuals, particular batches of vaccines and the predominant issue may not be autism. But it's a rotten thing to do to kids nevertheless. Vaccinate only against diseases prevalent the area and likely to cause complication, scatter the shots over time and use only preservative-free versions for toddlers. Good for science, good for common sense, good for kids.

    June 28, 2010 at 13:40 | Report abuse | Reply
  30. 4sanity

    In response to some of the misinformed comments on this board, here are some counterpoints:

    The most important:
    1) There is NO link between the MMR vaccine and autism. None of the epidemiological studies have found ANY higher risk and the whole initial premise was based on medical misconduct if not outright fraud by Dr. Andrew Wakefield.

    2) Seizures are frightening no doubt but rare. Any vaccine induced fevers are generally mild and are a good normal indicator that the immune system is working to develop immunity against the vaccine's antigens. The fevers (100-102 F) do not cause brain damage.

    3) The primary reason why vaccines are bundled is not to do with profit. It would be more profitable to have parents with their kids return multiple times and charge them accordingly. The primary reason is to help parents comply with getting their children completely vaccinated. I know from first hand experience, how traumatic it is having to drag a toddler into the doctor's office once let alone three times. The greater the number of required doctor's visits, the lower the compliance rates.

    4) All current vaccines are for IMPORTANT diseases, so you absolutely SHOULD have your kids VACCINATED against chicken pox that maybe don't appear so bad. It is not a benign disease. In children it is very uncomfortable and a miserable experience. In adults it is exceptionally painful and can cause sterility. By not having kids vaccinated, you are creating a pool of people that can carry and transmit the disease (see point #8 below)
    5) The minimal about of thiomersal used as a preservative in some vaccines is safe. Not including an effective bacteriostatic agent in the vaccine can cause much more serious consequences. Currently only a small number of US vaccines contain any thiomersal – and when they do only at exceptionally low levels. Your kids get a bigger dose of mercury from eating fish, so if you want to be consistent and avoid exposure don't give them any of the larger predatory species (salmon, tuna, swordfish) (BTW I'm not advocating elimination of eating fish, just pointing out that the risk is actually more substantial than from vaccine exposure; pregnant women generally should limit fish intake).

    6) Doctors aren't bullies or profit hungry vaccine pushers. They just don't have the luxury of sufficient time to spend with every patient having to explain in layman's terms ALL the benefits of vaccines whilst constantly countering the pseudo-science and irrational phobias whipped up by celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, Bill Maher and others who project their "idealogical" positions from very public soap-boxes into causes that do significant damage to Public Health initiatives.

    7) Your body's immune system is perfectly capable of handling almost anything thrown at it. Vaccines are the best way to prime it so that the immune response to a disease causing organism is already in place. And you don't have to worry about "vaccines" stealing some kind of imaginary time to keep you healthy. Your immune system is being challenged on a daily basis by everything you come in contact with. And the choice between getting tetanus or a tetanus vaccination should be a no brainer.

    8) The #1 reason to get vaccinated is to provide a large pool of resistant people in the population. The higher the % of people vaccinated the less probable that a disease can effectively spread. If you can decrease the average number of new people infected by an individual disease carrier to below 1, (i.e. Ro b1, a disease spreads. If Ro >>1, you'll end up with a pandemic. Mass vaccinations are therefore of great benefit to society as a whole – not necessarily for individual young, healthy adults – but rather the ones most susceptible i.e. young children, the elderly and those with other medical problems where their immune systems are compromised.

    In other words, thank you to all who are up to date on your vaccinations. You are doing yourself, your kids, your neighbors and also complete strangers a BIG service.

    For those who aren't, to put it bluntly, you're killing grandma and your kid's best friend at day care. Please vaccinate ! If you have concerns ask your doctor directly, and in general avoid getting your medical facts from bulletin boards like these ..... this post excepted of course 😉

    June 28, 2010 at 14:14 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Ruby

      When I was growing up in the 1950's and 60's there were very few vaccines given. Today kids are given ones for measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, Hep A and B, meningitis, pneumonia, flu, rotavirus–did I miss any? How did I and my peers ever survive without being vaccinated for those diseases? How did I survive getting chicken pox, rubella, and mumps? How did I as an adult survive the flu (never had it as a kid)?

      Something else is at play. Oh, wait. You even said so in #7: the immune system is capable of handling most anything thrown at it. Yes, it is but it doesn't do such a hot job when being directly injected with disease along with the many toxic additives, including mercury, aluminum and more).

      Do you think kids are healthier these days? Do you think it's healthy to have chronic auto-immune diseases and cancers, especially in babies? Do you think it's normal for kids to be carrying around inhalers or to have classroom doors with warning signs about severe food allergies? It was NOT like this when I was growing up. I knew no one with cancer, no one with an inhaler, no one with food alleriges, no one with diabetes. Our society is riddled with diseased people and vaccines have done diddly-squat for them.

      June 28, 2010 at 15:14 | Report abuse |
    • DKB

      Thank you for posting some sense. Most parents don't want to be told they have to make a dozen trips taking off from work to take their kids to the doctor for vaccines. That is why combo vaccines are available. Many parents are too stressed or too lazy to do the "best" vaccine schedule, so doctors have to focus on compliance over optimal vaccine schedules because the needs of society are greater than the needs of an individual if that society is to function.

      Most countries understand this. America is uniquely "ME FIRST". All this concern about vaccines that have been around a long time, and have had lots of testing, but when Americans want a Swine Flu vaccine, they want it NOW, forget concerns about saftey and testing then!

      Ruby you didn't know anyone with an asthma inhaler growing up because those children were already dead. The first modern inhaler wasn't invented until 1956, and likely wasn't very common. Many people forget, that today we can have people with all sorts of disabilities that can function normal in society now, that 50 years ago would have very short life expectancies.

      Before modern medicine, child mortality rates were 200 per 1000 births or 20%!!!! Twenty percent or 1 in 5 children would die before becoming an adult. Is THAT what people want to go back to? Before vaccines, antibotics, inhalers, etc. Those children now that have medicine to keep them alive, would be 6ft under and only a memory to their parents. I think in comparison haveing a fever related seizure is a far cry from having a 1 in 5 chance of never being old enough to get married and have children of their own.

      June 28, 2010 at 15:41 | Report abuse |
  31. 4sanity

    The last post was missing some parts ?

    The #1 reason to get vaccinated is to provide a large pool of resistant people in the population. The higher the % of people vaccinated the less probable that a disease can effectively spread. If you can decrease the average number of new people infected by an individual disease carrier to below 1, i.e. if the infection rate is below 1 (Ro 1, the disease spreads. If Ro >>1, you'll end up with an exponentially growing pandemic.

    Mass vaccinations are therefore of great benefit to society as a whole – not necessarily for individual young, healthy adults – but rather the ones most susceptible i.e. young children, the elderly and those with other medical problems where their immune systems are compromised.

    June 28, 2010 at 14:20 | Report abuse | Reply
  32. DrK

    Typical reporting on CNN. Please present ALL the facts, not the just spin.
    Fact: Incidence of febrile seizure was one MORE case per 2300 vaccine sets given with MMRV versus MMR + V.
    Fact: This ONLY showed up in the 12-24 month group. The second dose, given after 4 years age DID NOT SHOW THIS EFFECT.
    Fact: The number of kids who expreienced chicken pox, measles, mumps, and/or rubella experienced FAR more frightening complications than febrile seizures. Try brain damage, birth defects, encephalopathy with PERMANENT seizure disorder. This comes from getting the DISEASE, not the vaccine.

    Oh, yes. And VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM. Let's put that one to bed, shall we? Or go to California, and catch pertussis, give it to your unvaccinated 2 month old, watch them choke to death, and beg that I'm not on the jury that convicts you of negligent homicide.

    June 28, 2010 at 14:58 | Report abuse | Reply
  33. John Stone

    Chicken Pox vaccine is so far not recommended in the UK. A UK Health Protection Agency report recently frankly advised that the risks outweighed the benefits (that is before you get to adverse vaccine events) because supressing the circulation of chicken pox (varicella) in the population heightens the risk of developing the usually more serious condition of shingles.

    http://www.hpa.org.uk/webw/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1221638180451?p=1204186170287

    The consequences of introducing chicken pox vaccine were well understood before the policy was introduced in the US, which didn't stop the manufacturers getting their way.

    John Stone, UK Editor AgeofAutism.com

    June 28, 2010 at 15:52 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Howie

      EXACTLY!!!!!

      June 29, 2010 at 13:11 | Report abuse |
  34. Anne McElroy Dachel

    "Ease of administration'? Or is it all about being able to combine more shots together? Health officials are willing to expose children to even more live viruses at once along with vaccines containing known neurotoxins. It may interest CNN that the dramatically expanded vaccine schedule http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/cdc_comparison.pdf directly coincided with the explosion in the autism rate in the US. And there has never been a study on the cumulative of so many vaccine so soon on the health of a developing baby.

    Anne Dachel
    Media editor: Age of Autism
    http://www.ageofautism.com/

    June 28, 2010 at 16:45 | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Kraznodar

    It is funny to read articles that say vaccinations don't cause autism and see all of the hostile reaction based on one discredited article by a doctor that has since lost his license because of fraud. I also read the interesting articles that show that exposure to contagion during gestation or early childhood leads to a 600% increase in mental disorders such as schizophrenia, depression and possibly autism. An immunization is exposure to a contagion. I still find it less risky than a 75% death rate from smallpox.

    June 28, 2010 at 17:28 | Report abuse | Reply
  36. Valerie

    The FDA does not do its own testing, it takes the results from studies, usually funded by pharmaceutical companies or another agency with a vested interest in the results. Not to mention that it has recently been headed by former FDA lobbyists. The CDC and WHO I cannot speak for, but the FDA is not necessarily an organization to rely upon.

    June 28, 2010 at 17:34 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      It's pretty easy to tell the difference between a good study and a bad study, regardless of the organization that funds it. Also, the FDA is incredibly underfunded, so the fact that they are doing such a good job right now means a lot.

      June 29, 2010 at 08:04 | Report abuse |
  37. Christopher

    Combo shots don't only raise seizure risk, they also raise risk of autism, because you are flooding children's developing immune systems with stuff that they have to fight off, and some children's immune systems just aren't prepared to do that. We should be giving children AT MOST one vaccine (non-combo) every 2 months, in order to mitigate that problem and mitigate the possibility that the child in question has a genetic disorder.

    June 28, 2010 at 18:01 | Report abuse | Reply
  38. bensmyson

    A Merck scientist publicly discussed the interference issue at a CDC meeting in 2004, the year before ProQuad was approved, according to agency minutes. Dr. Florian Schodel “confirmed the possibility that the chickenpox virus component of ProQuad was causing a local immune suppression and an increase in measles virus replication. … The current hypothesis is that the varicella and measles virus are co-infecting the same or proximate areas of the body and engaging in a specific interaction, but how that works is as yet unknown.

    Just prior to Merck pulling ProQuad the FDA inspected their plant in West Point, PA and issued Merck a warning that Merck officials didn’t thoroughly investigate when vaccine batches failed to meet specifications, even if those batches had been distributed. Some drug components were tainted, and the plant lacked proper procedures and safeguards to ensure purity.

    On the the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Web site, ProQuad has had two deaths that Merck themselves attributed to the vaccine. Both were submitted on November 3rd and entered in on November 4th, 2008. (VAERS ID 331196 & 331194) . There were two other deaths reported the same year bringing the death total to 4.

    And now it's making a comeback. Nice huh?

    June 28, 2010 at 18:24 | Report abuse | Reply
  39. tbone

    Please check out the DVD "Vaccines: The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices" by Dr. Sherri J Tenpenny and check out drtenpenny.com. What I got out of this was there are risks and benefits. However, many of what the kids are vaccinated for today, are diseases that have been eradicated and so all of those immunoglobulins are looking around to act on something they'll never come in contact with, so the immune system gets overstimulated, and can turns on itself, creating the risk of autoimmune diseases/issues. Also, our bodies are not meant to have vaccination to fight disease, we are meant to fight disease via our mouths and nasal passages. It is unnatural. Some of the diseases in her video were already on their way out when vaccines were established. There are no long term studies on the effects on the body of vaccines and their ingredients.

    June 28, 2010 at 18:36 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      That's not how immunoglobulins work. You develop antibodies right after vaccination, and then they taper off over time, but the cells remain to make more antibodies if you are ever exposed again. Also, the vaccines are designed to induce the proper response from the body so it mimics a nasal/airway/skin immunological response.

      Also the only disease that has been erraticated is smallpox – everything else is present, if not in this country then in the world and with air travel today, you can be exposed to diseases endemic in India in several hours.

      June 29, 2010 at 08:08 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      That's not how immunoglobulins work. You develop antibodies right after vaccination, and then they taper off over time, but the cells remain to make more antibodies if you are ever exposed again. Also, the vaccines are designed to induce the proper response from the body so it mimics a nasal/airway/skin immunological response.

      Also the only disease that has been eradicated is smallpox – everything else is present, if not in this country then in the world and with air travel today, you can be exposed to diseases endemic in India in several hours.

      June 29, 2010 at 08:09 | Report abuse |
  40. Steve

    If the AMA approved it and the FDA is involved then there's money at stake and buttloads of it. This little beauty of an article is a watered down version of the stink of money. Did anyone besides me note that the DOUBLING of the risk of Febrile siezures was called " a slightly increased risk" ? In the United States alone that risk goes from about 600,000 kids to over 1.2 million.

    And if the febrile siezures are meaningless why, when our baby had one did her pediatrician insist we get her to an emergency room immediately and why did they freak out there and do all kinds of blood draws and a spinal tap?

    You guys talking about how unimportant a febrile siezure is can give both cheeks on my a$$ a french kiss with full tongue until you've had your own nine month old have one. B-I-T-E M-E!!!!! My wife had them as well when she was a kid and guess what, SHE WAS VACCINATED!!!

    We're not the only life form that evolves people. The dependence on vaccinations MUST I repeat MUST lead to new superstrains that can overcome them.

    It's only a matter of time and it's most likely already happening.

    In Ocean County, New Jersey, county spokeswoman Leslie Terjesen told CNN that 77 percent of those who caught mumps had already been vaccinated against mumps.

    I repeat, 77 percent of those infected HAD ALREADY BEEN VACCINATED.

    Usually this information is censored out of the press, kind of like a 100% increase in a complication magically becomes a "slight increase".

    Big Money wants people to believe that vaccines are effective at preventing infection because vaccines are the bread and butter of the medical industry so the big money media typically refrains from reporting what percentage of infected people were already vaccinated against infectious disease. They generally preferring instead to spit out something totally unprovable like "well it must be all those people that DIDN'T get vaccinated LIGHT THE TORCHES, LET'S GET 'EM!!!!

    How in the h311 could people that aren't vaccinated for a disease spread a vaccination resistant version to people that ARE vaccinated? IDIOTIC!!!! Did they teach you that in college? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!! The vaccinated people are the one that are in the process of creating new super-resistant strains that will affect EVERYONE!!

    You establishment wonks with all the credentials should be encouraging the industry to shoot straight with people instead of spitting out very clearly doctored up articles like this one that say stupid things like a 100% increase in complications (from 600,000 to 1.2 MILLION) is "slight". Does your wonderful education draw a direct correlation between a clear 100% increase in complication and the therein abused phrase "slight increase"? Sorry my high school education and third grade math are getting in the way of me bowing to your superior intellect.

    When it turns out the people with a little common sense were right, and you guys with the great educations that are taylored to the needs of industry are wrong, I hope you'll be as willing to tell the other self styled doctoral vaccinatory saviors of the world that THEY are stupid.

    Where there's a ton of money involved the push is on for the lowest bidder to make what they're selling so as to widen the profit margin. So you establishment wonks that I hear in these comments think this is a good thing too I suppose? Shooting ourselves up with stuff from the lowest bidder in hopes of bypassing evolutionary response in favor of...what? What exactly will be the post evolutionary result of this? Does anybody know?

    NO! Nor do they care as long as the money keeps rolling in. Meanwhile I get to sit in an emergency room with a little baby, eye's rolling and unresponsive, wondering what it must be like to make billions off of this.

    June 28, 2010 at 18:38 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Doug

      I hate to break it to you, but lots of exclamation points and random obscenities does not make an inaccurate post any more intelligent. So, let me address the specifics of your comments.

      1. You point out that in the recent mumps outbreak, 77% of the affected people were vaccinated. That is true, but actually demonstrates the effectiveness of the vaccine. This outbreak happened in a population with a very high vaccination rate – about 95% of the people were vaccinated. Therefore, although the unvaccinated account for only 5% of the population, they account for 23% of the cases. Therefore, unvaccinated people are about 4 times more likely to get mumps, or put differently, the vaccine is about 75% effective. This is quite close to the generally reported 80% effectiveness for the mumps vaccine. (Your logic is analogous to saying that AIDS doesn't make a person more susceptible to pneumonia, because most people with pneumonia don't have AIDS.)

      2. A virus can not mutate if it can not reproduce. Every time a virus replicates, there is a chance for mutations. So, unvaccinated people, by acting as good hosts for viral replication, absolutely do contribute to new mutant viruses.

      3. Your claim of 1.2 million febrile seizures in the US is wildly off. You might want to recheck you math. This vaccine is given to toddlers between 12-24 months. There are about 4 million kids in this window in the US. If the vaccine causes 1 seizure per 2300 doses, that represents ~1700 per year in the country. So, you are way, way off with your 1.2 million estimate. They call this a small increase because these seizures are so rare to begin with that even doubling their frequency still leaves them very rare.

      June 28, 2010 at 19:34 | Report abuse |
    • bensmyson

      Doug said, "Therefore, although the unvaccinated account for only 5% of the population, they account for 23% of the cases. Therefore, unvaccinated people are about 4 times more likely to get mumps, or put differently, the vaccine is about 75% effective."

      Does the "unvaccinated" group include children younger than 12 months or whenever it is that the AAP/CDC recommends children receive the vaccine? You have no idea do you? Of course not, but you said it anyway. What percentage of those "unvaccinated" were above 12 months of age? 10%?

      June 28, 2010 at 19:46 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      bensmyson: Yes, the unvaccinated does include children who are too young to be vaccinatated. The vaccine is recommended at 1 year. Less than 2% of the US population is under 1 year, so if 5% of a population is unvaccinated, there is no way that, as you claim, 90% of these unvaccinated people are too young to be vaccinated.

      In reality, based on compliance rates for the MMR vaccine, the majority of unvaccinated people nationwide are old enough to have gotten the vaccine.

      And I guess the real question is, what is your point? Every study that has looked at measles and mumps outbreaks has found the same thing: the vaccine does not guarantee resistance to infection, but it reduces infection rates by 80-90%.

      June 29, 2010 at 10:15 | Report abuse |
  41. Maurine Meleck

    If you don't have a child who regressed following vaccinations-perhaps you should refrain from commenting on whether or not vaccines can cause harm. If you have no stake in the controversy-why bother opening your mouths. We don't care what you have to say.

    June 28, 2010 at 18:54 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      So you would choose to censor the vast majority of people, which would lead to a rant fest about how terrible vaccines are without the proper counterpoint? No thanks.

      June 29, 2010 at 08:11 | Report abuse |
    • kari

      these pro-vaccine, serial posters are obviously paid bloggers. i see them every time there is an anti-vaccine article or video. i believe mothers who take a perfectly fine child to the dr and they leave comotose. Look at that healthy woman last year who was a pro cheerleader who got he flu vaccine and now cannot talk right and is walking backwards.

      and yes, paid blogger....when my child walks in the street and then gets hit by a car....correlation does imply causation.

      June 30, 2010 at 10:28 | Report abuse |
  42. Concerned Physician

    In reading a lot of these posts, this continued dialogue about the effectiveness and safety of vaccines is puzzling. People seem to attribute anything that ever goes wrong with their child to the vaccine they had. I read Ruby's comment that her kid developed asthma from a vaccine. I would ask her to come of with any sort of meaningful data to show that asthma is caused be vaccinations. She will have a very hard time doing so. For all the people who insist autism is caused be vaccination, there have been many scientific studies that look into that question. After conducting real studies (and not just a parent making up conspiracy stories in their minds and spreading misinformation with no actual evidence for their potentially lethal claims to their family and friends), no direct link between autism and vaccines have been made. No matter how hard celebrities push this idea, the fact is there is no scientific evidence to support this notion. There is, however, plenty of evidence that vaccinations save lives. As for the one person who said that half of these vaccines are for noncommunicable diseases, first of all that claim is false (as another person already stated). That said, even those that are not communicable by person to person transmission are serious and should be vaccinated against. For example, tetanus. There is a reason we vaccinate for this disease and that is because the bacteria that causes tetanus is common and can lead to serious complications in the unvaccinated person. More concerning to me is the people that go out and advocate against vaccination without any evidence for their claims. They do not think of the harm that they cause. They help keep these diseases alive and well in our communities and potentially threaten other peoples' children who are too young to be vaccinated or who also have parents who believe in the vaccine conspiracy.

    I have personally watched a baby stop breathing because they had severe whooping cough. All I could think about as this baby was being air lifted to another hospital with a better capability of managing critical babies (this hospital was out in the community and was not an academic center) was that this episode could have been prevented entirely had the parents vaccinated their child. Moreover, refusing vaccination can have an impact on other people and their children. For example, you or your child can be infected with Rubella. This person could then encounter a pregnant woman and infect her with Rubella. The rubella would cross her placenta and infect her unborn baby resulting in a horrible, life long medical problem known as congenital rubella syndrome. If you have not heard about this, you are lucky and it is because of the MMR vaccine that you have not heard about this. Try to imagine your child being born with mental retardation, blindness, deafness, heart disease of structural abnormalities all because someone did not believe in vaccinations and decided that they knew better than everyone else so much that they would take a chance and put you and your baby's well being at risk. Personally, in this time period of legal liability for everything, I think that a parent who can prove someone's vaccination decision resulted in their unborn child's rubella syndrome should be held financially accountable in a court of law.

    June 28, 2010 at 19:04 | Report abuse | Reply
    • bensmyson

      Doctor said, "Moreover, refusing vaccination can have an impact on other people and their children. "

      How has polio been spread in the past 10 years? Does live vaccines shed, cause the vaccinated person to be contagious for a period of time? Would you recommend sending someone who just received a live virus flu vaccine into a nursing home filled with sick and elderly (unvaccinated) people?

      Mutant Polio Virus Spreads in Nigeria
      124 Children Afflicted This Year By Paralyzing Disease, Believed To Be Caused By Same Vaccine Used To Fight It
      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/14/health/main5242168.shtml

      June 28, 2010 at 19:53 | Report abuse |
    • concered898

      Why are austism rate rising with rates of vacination not to mention add. What about incidences of autism in countries who wait to vacinate with the mmr. Why isnt the instinct of the mother taken into account? Afterall she is with her child on a constant basis and observes the changes. Why do so many parent of autistic children believe this? How much money would the drug industry lose if vacines do cause autism?

      June 28, 2010 at 20:47 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      @ bensmyson, the polio vaccine given in this country is dead. No shedding. The live virus vaccine is more effective in areas with endemic polio, which is why it is given in developing countries.

      June 29, 2010 at 08:14 | Report abuse |
  43. Concerned Physician

    @ Steve, you do not understand medical protocols and that is ok. Are febrile seizures something to just ignore? No. That said, you made this comment:

    "And if the febrile siezures are meaningless why, when our baby had one did her pediatrician insist we get her to an emergency room immediately and why did they freak out there and do all kinds of blood draws and a spinal tap?"

    The reason for this is that as a doctor, you need to think about all the possible causes of the seizure. One possible cause is meningitis. That is why this patient went to the ER to have blood draws and a spinal tap. It was to look to see if the patient had meningitis and if so to start treatment ASAP.

    Before you go off spouting conspiracy theories, I challenge you to go actually read about vaccines and the reasons why modern medicine strongly encourages their use. If people actually listen to you and your theories and act on them, you are potentially causing great harm to these people. I would ask you to become more educated about what you are talking about before you go out there and spread misinformation. It is an injustice to your family and friends if they take what you say as true and act on your suggestions and you may actually be doing great potential harm to these peoples' well being. READ MORE!

    June 28, 2010 at 19:10 | Report abuse | Reply
    • concered898

      We are told that vacines dont cause autism and ADD, than what is causing the massive increase?? Do you really think the h1n1 is necessary? Comeon!!! I and my kids caught our worse case of flu ever a few yrs ago from someone who got sick from the flu vacine up the nose. It seems like there is as much flu as there ever was even with all these vacines.

      June 28, 2010 at 20:36 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      concered898: We don't know what is causing the increase in autism. However, obviously much has changed in society in the last few decades besides vaccines, so why the obsessive focus on vaccines? How about dietary changes, increase use of electronics, TV, pesticides, pollution, etc? Vaccines causing autism was an intelligent theory when it was first proposed. However, study after study has shown that autism rates are just as high among unvaccinated kids. It is time to stop wasting time pursuing a disproven theory, and start looking for the real cause.

      June 29, 2010 at 10:20 | Report abuse |
    • bensmyson

      Doug perhaps you can direct me to the comprehensive vaccinated versus unvaccinated study you claim has been repeatedly done. In fact alert the media and the NIH and the CDC as well because that's news to all of us.

      June 29, 2010 at 11:33 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      bensmyson: I'm happy to help out. Large-scale epidemiological studies have been done in Finland, Denmark, Canada, Sweden and the UK. Additionally, there was a major Japanese study (I believe in Yokohama) looking at the effects of spacing out the MMR vaccine. Each of these studies have some flaws, but collectively they provide an overwhelming body of evidence. If you are interested in the studies, a good place to start is the book Denialism. I'm not wild about some aspects of the book – at times the author oversells his points and ignore some obvious counter-points. However, it has a whole chapter devoted to vaccines and autism, and gives citations for many of the studies that have been done, so you can look them up yourself.

      Put simply, this is not a subtle effect we are looking for. Autism rates have skyrocketed in the past few decades; if these increased rates were due to vaccines, it would be obvious even in a simple small-scale study.

      Additionally, almost every pediatrician sees at least some kids whose parents have chosen to withhold vaccines. Thus, if the effects were as strong as the anti-vaccine crowd claims, it would be obvious to any large pediatric practice in areas of low vaccine compliance.

      If you are interested specifically in studies of the MMR vaccine, a recent paper in PLoS One ("Lack of Association between Measles Virus Vaccine and Autism with Enteropathy: A Case-Control Study") lists references to 20 epidemiological studies that all concluded that there is no link between MMR and autism. I'm pretty sure that the CDC is aware of these studies, since this paper was linked on the CDC website. Additionally, I have sat on a number of grant review panels, so can say with certainty that the NIH is aware of these studies. Just because you are not aware of the extensive evidence does not mean that other people are similarly unaware.

      June 29, 2010 at 12:32 | Report abuse |
    • Doug

      I should add that the MMR vaccine has gotten the most attention, because it was the vaccine that was first blamed for the increase in autism rates. Now that the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that MMR does not cause autism, some people have claimed that it is not specifically MMR, but instead overload caused by the full complement of vaccines that causes autism. However, some of the large-scale epidemiological studies have compared completely non-vaccinated kids to kids who got the full complement of vaccines, and still found no difference.

      So, for people like "bensmyson", the question is, is there any amount of evidence that would convince you that vaccines do not cause autism? It seems to me like we (scientists) are wasting our time and energy; people like Jenny McCarthy are never going to be convinced, and by continuing to focus on a discredited theory, we are distracting our attention away from finding the real cause.

      June 29, 2010 at 13:02 | Report abuse |
    • bensmyson

      Dr. Bernadine Healy, former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), largest U.S. federal agency responsible for conducting and supporting medical research. Dr. Healy has no known conflicts of interest in the vaccine-autism debate.

      HEALEY: I think you have nailed it, Larry. I think there is so much more to learn. Simple things like a comparisons of children who have and have not been vaccinated. This is something that we have talked about doing for many years. It has not been done. It can be done through various models, through case control model models. It can be done retrospectively. It has to be done.

      Also, looking specifically at the children with regressive autism, the kids who were just fine, and then, shortly after immunization, they have a high fever, likely have an encephology, and they never come pack from it. We need to look at that subset of patients. Study 500 of those kids.

      Do you know, Larry, we have 5,000 children who are in the vaccine course, and they're sitting there in a lawyer environment. The CDC has not gone and analyzed those 5,000 children. These are children that have passed a certain screen, children who have had significant health problems right after they have been vaccinated, usually multiple times, and we haven't connected.

      http://fourteenstudies.org/

      June 29, 2010 at 15:34 | Report abuse |
  44. Kristin

    So when my sons temp went to 107 right after the DPT shot THIS IS OK????? How? Why? Lets face the facts ALL SHOTS ARE NOT SAFE! You as a parent have to MAKE and live with that CHOICE you make. I now have a son with Autism and MR. Did the shot cause the Autism, no I don't think so, however It hurt him in other ways......

    June 28, 2010 at 19:47 | Report abuse | Reply
  45. ADYS

    Another thing to consider is that many of today's vaccine ingredients/components come from other countries like China...we all know their track record with product safety!

    In 1983 children received only 10 vaccines now they get approx 40! What warranted tripling the vaccine schedule and administering so many before age 2? Have adults born before 1983 caught up on their vaccines or did most of them die of vaccine preventable illnesses?

    I see no reason to subject my kids to any more vaccines than I had as a child. The old school 1983 schedule works just fine. Not as much profit for pharma, but I'm sure they'll find away to make up for it. Maybe they could convince the cdc to start pushing childhood vaccines for adults....oh wait, they are already doing that!

    June 28, 2010 at 20:00 | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Maurine

    Concerned Physician,
    the Vaccine Court has been paying out millions and millions of dollars for dozens of vaccine injuries since 1992 including causing autism. Personally I think that doctors who vaccinate babies and children should also be held financially accountable
    in a court of law. Remember it's not vaccines that cause autism-it's pediatricians.

    June 28, 2010 at 20:37 | Report abuse | Reply
    • bensmyson

      Maurine, Im with you about accountability resting on the shoulders of the pediatricians.

      But a bit of correction, the vaccine court is paying out to thousands of victims, 2,460 to be exact.
      http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statistics_report.htm

      June 28, 2010 at 21:04 | Report abuse |
    • KSquared

      Except that the vaccine court knocked down the autism claims earlier this year. They aren't giving out money for autism because there is no scientific evidence that the two are connected.

      June 29, 2010 at 08:16 | Report abuse |
  47. bensmyson

    Actual warning label.

    Rare but serious adverse events reported following ProQuad vaccination include allergic reactions, including swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; difficulty breathing or closing of the throat; hives; paleness; weakness; dizziness; a fast heart beat; deafness; long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness; permanent brain damage; seizures (jerking or staring) caused by fever; or temporary low platelet count. According to information from CDC, MMRV vaccine has been associated with higher rates of fever (up to about 1 person in 5) and measles-like rash (about 1 person in 20) compared with MMR and varicella vaccines given separately.

    June 28, 2010 at 21:49 | Report abuse | Reply
  48. jujub

    My 15 month old son had 3 seizures in one day 7 days after recieving these vaccines. It was the scariest thing that has ever happened to me and my family. His seizures were so severe he actually stopped breathing and we had to give CPR at home and at the ER they were breathing for him for over 5 minutes. He is lucky that he has no damage and it happened during the day and not in his sleep so we could quickly respond. I just thank god every day for our son. To hold a little baby in your arms when he is turning blue and purple and can't breate is a sight I never want to see again.

    June 29, 2010 at 00:42 | Report abuse | Reply
    • KSquared

      While that is an absolutely terrifying experience, it's going to be very, very difficult to link those seizures to the vaccines. So don't blame the vaccine and be thankful that your kid is fine.

      June 29, 2010 at 08:17 | Report abuse |
    • bensmyson

      ksquare – Actually it is a known fact that vaccines can cause seizures. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-06-28-vaccines28_st_N.htm

      June 29, 2010 at 10:27 | Report abuse |
  49. Concerned Physician

    @ ADYS: the reason that there are more vaccines now is that we have made progress in medicine. For example, the hepatitis B vaccine and the HPV vaccine both can potentially prevent (or at least greatly reduce the risk as nothing in medicine nor life for that matter is 100%) of developing viral related liver and cervical cancer, respectively. Let me tell you that plenty of people who were not vaccinated world wide for these two diseases will develop cancer eventually when infected.

    @Maurine: The idea that pediatricians cause autism is crazy. Moreover, your simple statement just goes to show how little you understand. While there are side effects seen in response to medicine, vaccines included, one has to look at the risk versus the benefits. The risk of not vaccinating children is much higher than the risk of side effects. I think you need to take a look at the other CNN health article talking about the recent rise in whooping cough among people in California. The cause for this increased incidence (new cases) is the large group of conspiracy theory nuts out there who actually think like you- that the pediatrician wants to do harm and give vaccines to children with the hope that they develop autism or febrile seizures or whatever other crazy story is out there. When the states mandate a vaccine to enter school and you as the all knowing parent fights it and refuses it and your child gets sick or gets someone else sick, you as the all knowing parent should be held responsible.

    I am all for alternative ideas to western medicine concepts and practices, but they MUST be subjected to the same kinds of standards as western medicine when it comes to collected evidence for practice guidelines. Again, western medicine and these studies are not perfect, but given that we are all human and errors can be made, we owe it to our patients to make sure that we have the most accurate information as currently possible when we begin some kind of management strategy. You Maurine, and people like you, who assume to know better with no formal training, should be held accountable and given your chance in a court of law to present your evidence when harm inevitably comes about by your decision to practice medicine.

    June 29, 2010 at 05:14 | Report abuse | Reply
  50. Maurine

    Concerned Physician, I don't believe that you or any other physician intends to do harm to the children. I believe you all have had so many years of indoctrination starting in med school that it's difficult for you to think any other way than vaccines are the greatest invention ever in the history of the world.. I have been doing this and studying this for 10 years now. I am a grandmother of 2 on the spectrum-one I already recovered and the ohter on his way to recovery. I know all about what's in their bodies as the result of vaccinations and what it did to them-oxidative stress, immune dysfunction, etc etc I think peds especially won't look at the other(bad) side of vaccines–they should at least watch gary Null's DVD's on vaccines or Sheri Tenpenny. There are a number of them. Also you forget that we did vaccinate and our children wre the unlucky ones-for your so-called herd immunity. We threw our children to the lions so yours would be safe. So I do not understand why you can talk about our children getting yours sick. I believe it's the other way around. We sacrificed our for yours, but no longer. Parents are getting educated and more and more are refusing vaccines. You can do what you want with your kids-give them 10,000 vaccines in one day. We will never vaccinate again like so many others that have seen the ill effects-leave us to do our thing. http://www.americanpersonalrightsrally.org

    June 29, 2010 at 08:52 | Report abuse | Reply
    • Doug

      It seems like you are missing "Concerned Physician's" point. My nephew was not vaccinated, yet still developed autism. I too could frantically grasp for an explanation. My nephew, in the months before his autism developed, always rode in a baby car seat, and car seat usage has increase significantly in the past decades, mirroring the increase in autism rates. Therefore, car seats must cause autism. Of course this theory seems silly (and I obviously don't believe it), but there is as much evidence for it as there is for your autism theory (in fact much more, as unlike vaccines, no large-scale epidemiological studies have looked at the link between car seats and autism).

      So, how would you react if I spent millions of dollars flooding the airways and message boards trying to convince kids not to use car seats? Or if I went on CNN (like Jenny McCarthy) speaking out about the evils of car seats? Can you understand why someone like "Concerned Physician" might react angrily if I posted that I was certain car seats cause autism?? Like car seats, vaccines have been proven to save lives; trying to convince people not to use them based on an unproven theory would put lives at risk, without any clear benefit.

      Vaccines have dramatically improved human health. Therefore, before you recklessly try to convince people not to get vaccinated, I would hope that you would at least look for some evidence to support your claim. I actively pushed for studies to be done to examine the link between vaccines and autism. It was a reasonable theory, and therefore seemed worth testing. However, those studies have been done, and have found no link. It is time to move on.

      June 29, 2010 at 13:21 | Report abuse |
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